On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>> to be nasty.
>>
>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>
> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.

I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
a sweet disposition. Of course there are some that can't be
handled and they can't be adopted out.

But they seem to be resilient and affectionate dogs for the most
part.

I don't think they would be good in a house with cats, but that's
true of other breeds, too. I think they're a complicated breed
but I don't think they are inherently bad the way they've been
made out to be.

nancy

On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>>> to be nasty.
>>>
>>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>>
>> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
>> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
>> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
>> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.
>
> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
> a sweet disposition.

The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
other 95%...............
Graham

On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>> a sweet disposition.
>
> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
> other 95%...............

You don't have facts to back that up.

nancy

On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>> a sweet disposition.
>>
>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>> other 95%...............
>
> You don't have facts to back that up.
>
> nancy

The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.

There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
(and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
he really loved those dogs.

Jill

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:09:04 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>
>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>> other 95%...............
>>
>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>>
>> nancy
>
>The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.
>
>There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>(and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>he really loved those dogs.
>
>Jill

No, that's true. My aunt had one and he usually bit us children as
soon as look at us, we didn't have to do anything for it to happen. I
also remember reading when Disney put out 1001 Dalmatians that the
Dalmatian Assoc. was unimpressed. They felt people would rush out and
get them for their kids (which apparently happened) and they would
never suggest them as a pet with kids.

On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
> he really loved those dogs.
>
> Jill


My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.

On 7/6/2016 11:59 AM, wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:09:04 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>>> other 95%...............
>>>
>>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.
>>
>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>> he really loved those dogs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> No, that's true. My aunt had one and he usually bit us children as
> soon as look at us, we didn't have to do anything for it to happen. I
> also remember reading when Disney put out 1001 Dalmatians that the
> Dalmatian Assoc. was unimpressed. They felt people would rush out and
> get them for their kids (which apparently happened) and they would
> never suggest them as a pet with kids.
>
Okay, then that's validated. His wife was still a bit of a nut.

Jill

On 7/6/2016 12:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>> he really loved those dogs.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
> one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.

Second validation. Apparently it's not just pit bulls and rottweilers
that have this sort of reputation.

Jill

On 2016-07-05, Dave Smith > wrote:

> right through my hand and it hurt like hell, and for a long time. I have
> a whole new respect for dog bites now.

My roomie usta have a long-hair shepard. Only 18mos old. It could
devour an entire steer hip bone in about 2 mins. Not hide it, ingest
it. We usta get free beef ones from our landlord, who hadda butcher shop,
downstairs. The ball of the hip joint was larger than a std softball and this
dog could crush and ingest the entire bone in minutes. There's not a
single bone in a person's body as large as those hip bones. That told
me all I needed to know about a dog's muzzle strength.

BTW, this dog was later given to a live-alone senior. It was put down
after it had trapped and broke bones (arm/leg) of two different
intruders. True story.

nb

My boxer became agitated when she smelled where a cat crossed the yard but not when deer, rabbits or squirrels had.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
....
>
> And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
> dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
>
> Jill

I have this wonderful evolutionary advantage called opposing thumbs which when locked around the neck/trachea of a pit bull or any other dog can almost pinch the head right off the beast! Not to mention blocking their airway, which will mean their death in a very short time!!

Yeah, I may get bloody, but *I* will not die in the battle!

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:36:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 12:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>>> he really loved those dogs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
>> one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.
>
>Second validation. Apparently it's not just pit bulls and rottweilers
>that have this sort of reputation.
>
>Jill

People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.

Get a German Shepherd and you must be the boss, otherwise likely
you'll be in trouble, they are best off as working dogs, not
housedogs.

Want a nice, amiable dog without a mean bone and it's likely a
Labrador. Ours drove our kids wild when they went swimming at the
lake. So long as their feet were on the bottom fine, the minute they
started to swim they had to be rescued Very painful with a lab
coming up behind your shoulder doing dog paddle then dragging you back
to shore and drowning you in the process.

On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>
>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>> other 95%...............
>>
>> You don't have facts to back that up.

> The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.

People just love their Pits, everyday people, with families.

> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
> he really loved those dogs.

That had to hurt. I've never heard anything especially good
about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.

nancy

> wrote in message
...

> People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
> of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
> barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.

That's not really true, it depends on the owner of those barking dogs a lot
too. As they say, a dog that barks at everything is not a good watchdog.

Cheri

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:10:11 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>
>> People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
>> of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
>> barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.
>
>That's not really true, it depends on the owner of those barking dogs a lot
>too. As they say, a dog that barks at everything is not a good watchdog.
>
>Cheri

Nine out of ten, when people refer to a 'yappy' dog it proves to be of
the watchdog variety. Some is training, but much is not. Different
breeds have different traits and I feel people should do a bit of
reading before deciding a puppy they know nothing about is 'cute'.

Also it's not realistic, or fair, to buy a working dog such as Collie
etc if everyone is out at work and school all day. Working dogs get
very bored in such situations and make themselves unpopular herding
cushions etc.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:10:11 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
> > of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
> > barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.
>
> That's not really true, it depends on the owner of those barking dogs a lot
> too. As they say, a dog that barks at everything is not a good watchdog.
>
Agree.

--

sf

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> I've never heard anything especially good
> about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.

My sister in law and brother in law had a Dalmatian whose name was
Freckles. Their kids were not toddlers, but they were in early
elementary school when they got her and she never harmed a living
thing on purpose. My SIL liked to say her parakeet committed suicide.
Freckles yawned and the bird flew into her mouth. The dog was
surprised and snapped her mouth shut, killing the bird.

Dalmatians aren't the smartest breed in the world either. She'd wag
her tail until it bled (because the tip was hitting the wall) and keep
on wagging it.

--

sf

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:10:11 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
>>> of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
>>> barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.
>>
>>That's not really true, it depends on the owner of those barking dogs a
>>lot
>>too. As they say, a dog that barks at everything is not a good watchdog.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Nine out of ten, when people refer to a 'yappy' dog it proves to be of
> the watchdog variety. Some is training, but much is not. Different
> breeds have different traits and I feel people should do a bit of
> reading before deciding a puppy they know nothing about is 'cute'.
>
> Also it's not realistic, or fair, to buy a working dog such as Collie
> etc if everyone is out at work and school all day. Working dogs get
> very bored in such situations and make themselves unpopular herding
> cushions etc.

Of course they do, I'm not questioning that, but a lot of the yapping dog
thing is because the owners allow it. One thing I really don't understand is
people with toddlers and small children deciding that the very small breeds
are a good fit for them.

Cheri

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:39:21 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>...
>>
>> And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
>> dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I have this wonderful evolutionary advantage called opposing thumbs which when locked around the neck/trachea of a pit bull or any other dog can almost pinch the head right off the beast! Not to mention blocking their airway, which will mean their death in a very short time!!
>
>Yeah, I may get bloody, but *I* will not die in the battle!
>
>John Kuthe...

LOL.

On 2016-07-06 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>
>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>> other 95%...............
>>
>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>>
>> nancy
>
> The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.
>
> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
> he really loved those dogs.
>
He should have kept the dogs and got rid of her. Dalmatians are smart,
high energy dogs. I knew a family with children who had a Dalmatian. It
was a very friendly hellion.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:40:18 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>> a sweet disposition.
>>
>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>> other 95%...............
>
>You don't have facts to back that up.

He doesn't need them. His mind is already made up.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:52:22 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/4/2016 10:29 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/4/2016 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> They can, if properly bred and raised, be quite friendly and playful. A
>>> handful of people use them as status symbols in the gangs and train them
>>> to be nasty.
>>>
>>> We had one living with us for about a year. Great dog, we miss her.
>>> Original owner trained her properly and she has a sweet disposition.
>>
>> I know lots of them and they can be very sweet dogs. Yes, they can be
>> vicious but anything can be if raised wrong. The country in my state in
>> which I live has banned Pitties. Shame. It is mostly because there is a
>> lot of crime and drug trade and Pitties are kept for the wrong reasons.
>
>I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>a sweet disposition. Of course there are some that can't be
>handled and they can't be adopted out.
>
>But they seem to be resilient and affectionate dogs for the most
>part.
>
>I don't think they would be good in a house with cats, but that's
>true of other breeds, too.

Based only on my own experience, but from what I have seen they get
along fine with cats. My dog was only half pit bull but she got along
fine with my two cats.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:55:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:10:11 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>> People - wih kids particularly - should understand the general traits
>>>> of the puppies they buy. No good getting a Yorkie then complaining it
>>>> barks, it's a watchdog and that's what watchdogs do, Pomeranians too.
>>>
>>>That's not really true, it depends on the owner of those barking dogs a
>>>lot
>>>too. As they say, a dog that barks at everything is not a good watchdog.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> Nine out of ten, when people refer to a 'yappy' dog it proves to be of
>> the watchdog variety. Some is training, but much is not. Different
>> breeds have different traits and I feel people should do a bit of
>> reading before deciding a puppy they know nothing about is 'cute'.
>>
>> Also it's not realistic, or fair, to buy a working dog such as Collie
>> etc if everyone is out at work and school all day. Working dogs get
>> very bored in such situations and make themselves unpopular herding
>> cushions etc.
>
>Of course they do, I'm not questioning that, but a lot of the yapping dog
>thing is because the owners allow it. One thing I really don't understand is
>people with toddlers and small children deciding that the very small breeds
>are a good fit for them.
>
>Cheri

Very small breeds are at risk with toddlers! Many a child has jumped
off a sofa on to a small dog and broken it

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>>> other 95%...............
>>>
>>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>
>> The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.
>
>People just love their Pits, everyday people, with families.
>
>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>> he really loved those dogs.
>
>That had to hurt. I've never heard anything especially good
>about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.

Many years ago our family (well, my aunt, mainly) used to take in
random dogs here and there from around the area. One was a
Dalmatian... she wasn't at all aggressive but I've never come across a
creature that had such a bad flatulence problem!

On 7/6/2016 1:06 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:40:18 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>
>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>> other 95%...............
>>
>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>
> He doesn't need them. His mind is already made up.
>
Yup! Just like everyone else in this thread!
Graham

On 2016-07-06 11:59 AM, wrote:

>
> No, that's true. My aunt had one and he usually bit us children as
> soon as look at us, we didn't have to do anything for it to happen. I
> also remember reading when Disney put out 1001 Dalmatians that the
> Dalmatian Assoc. was unimpressed. They felt people would rush out and
> get them for their kids (which apparently happened) and they would
> never suggest them as a pet with kids.
>

Belgium Shepherd organizations were upset about the movie Max. They were
afraid that the movie would generate a huge demand for Malinois. They
are smart, tough,powerful and extremely high energy dogs. There are
lots of them being homed through rescue organizations because people buy
them and then find out they cannot handle them.

On 2016-07-06 12:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
> one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.


My brother had to get rid of a Golden Retriever because it was nasty and
vicious. They had had two of them before this one and both were very
friendly, gentle dogs. This one was nasty.

On 2016-07-06 12:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 12:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>>> he really loved those dogs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
>> one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.
>
> Second validation. Apparently it's not just pit bulls and rottweilers
> that have this sort of reputation.
>

Look at the list of biters by breed. Labrador Retrievers are number 8 on
the list. I think there are a few reasons for that. First of all, they
are generally very loving and patient dogs and people, especially kids,
push them to the limit. Secondly, they are big dogs, so if they do lash
out, it is likely to have some force behind. Third, and very important,
is that they are so many of them. They are the single most popular breed.

On 2016-07-06 1:21 PM, wrote:
> My boxer became agitated when she smelled where a cat crossed the
> yard but not when deer, rabbits or squirrels had.
>

A Labrador Retriever I used to have would make strange grunting and
snorking noises when he smelled deer tracks and he would get all excited
and follow the trail. A couple times we came across deer in the woods
and he just stood there and watched, seemingly without a clue what they
were.

> wrote in message
...

> Very small breeds are at risk with toddlers! Many a child has jumped
> off a sofa on to a small dog and broken it

Yes, and very small children don't understand that they can injure an animal
while playing rough.

Cheri

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> ...
> >
> > And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
> > dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
> >
> > Jill
>
> I have this wonderful evolutionary advantage called opposing thumbs which when locked around the neck/trachea of a pit bull or any other dog can almost pinch the head right off the beast! Not to mention blocking their airway, which will mean their death in a very short time!!
>
> Yeah, I may get bloody, but *I* will not die in the battle!

John Kuthe... Part Man, Part Weapon

On 7/6/2016 2:48 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> I've never heard anything especially good
>> about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.
>
> My sister in law and brother in law had a Dalmatian whose name was
> Freckles. Their kids were not toddlers, but they were in early
> elementary school when they got her and she never harmed a living
> thing on purpose. My SIL liked to say her parakeet committed suicide.
> Freckles yawned and the bird flew into her mouth. The dog was
> surprised and snapped her mouth shut, killing the bird.

Awww, That's a shame, but what are you going to do, a total accident.

> Dalmatians aren't the smartest breed in the world either. She'd wag
> her tail until it bled (because the tip was hitting the wall) and keep
> on wagging it.

Funny. Messy, but funny.

nancy

On 7/6/2016 3:08 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:52:22 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> But they seem to be resilient and affectionate dogs for the most
>> part.
>>
>> I don't think they would be good in a house with cats, but that's
>> true of other breeds, too.
>
> Based only on my own experience, but from what I have seen they get
> along fine with cats. My dog was only half pit bull but she got along
> fine with my two cats.

Well, that's good to hear. I haven't had a dog in some time
now, I've only had fluffy terriers that got along with or
tolerated cats.

nancy

On 7/6/2016 3:13 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> That had to hurt. I've never heard anything especially good
>> about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.
>
> Many years ago our family (well, my aunt, mainly) used to take in
> random dogs here and there from around the area. One was a
> Dalmatian... she wasn't at all aggressive but I've never come across a
> creature that had such a bad flatulence problem!

Oh, so they're passive aggressive! (laugh)

nancy

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:15:18 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 3:13 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> That had to hurt. I've never heard anything especially good
>>> about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.
>>
>> Many years ago our family (well, my aunt, mainly) used to take in
>> random dogs here and there from around the area. One was a
>> Dalmatian... she wasn't at all aggressive but I've never come across a
>> creature that had such a bad flatulence problem!
>
>Oh, so they're passive aggressive! (laugh)

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:14:29 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/6/2016 3:08 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:52:22 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> But they seem to be resilient and affectionate dogs for the most
>>> part.
>>>
>>> I don't think they would be good in a house with cats, but that's
>>> true of other breeds, too.
>>
>> Based only on my own experience, but from what I have seen they get
>> along fine with cats. My dog was only half pit bull but she got along
>> fine with my two cats.
>
>Well, that's good to hear. I haven't had a dog in some time
>now, I've only had fluffy terriers that got along with or
>tolerated cats.

I might be checking out a 'Blue american staffy' today. She is 7
months old.
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MjYzWDE4NA==/z/ojoAAOSwZ1BXejMz/$_20.JPG

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 05:13:41 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:01:50 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:
>
>>On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 10:40 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/2016 10:07 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 7/6/2016 5:52 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't know much about pitbulls until I started watching
>>>>>> Pitbulls and Parolees. It would break your heart to see how
>>>>>> badly abused they are sometimes and all they show is love and
>>>>>> a sweet disposition.
>>>>>
>>>>> The trouble is, there might be 5% with that nice disposition but the
>>>>> other 95%...............
>>>>
>>>> You don't have facts to back that up.
>>
>>> The only ones you ever hear about on the news are the bad ones.
>>
>>People just love their Pits, everyday people, with families.
>>
>>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>>> he really loved those dogs.
>>
>>That had to hurt. I've never heard anything especially good
>>about Dalmations, but I didn't know they were aggressive.
>
>Many years ago our family (well, my aunt, mainly) used to take in
>random dogs here and there from around the area. One was a
>Dalmatian... she wasn't at all aggressive but I've never come across a
>creature that had such a bad flatulence problem!

Try a Boxer lol

In article >,
John Kuthe > wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> ...
> >
> > And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
> > dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
> >
> > Jill
>
> I have this wonderful evolutionary advantage called opposing thumbs which
> when locked around the neck/trachea of a pit bull or any other dog can almost
> pinch the head right off the beast! Not to mention blocking their airway,
> which will mean their death in a very short time!!
>
> Yeah, I may get bloody, but *I* will not die in the battle!
>
> John Kuthe...

My nephew, a desert storm vet and mailman, is in quite good shape
(though possibly not quite as good as you) and was on his rounds when he
was attacked by two pitbulls that escaped from their yard. While he was
fending off one, the other would come at him from behind. He tried to
jump a fence but they latched on to him and pulled him down. He figures
they would have killed him if a neighbor didn't hear him and come out to
help fight them off. His legs and arms were pretty seriously torn up.

But I'm sure a he-man like you would have had no problems.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:29:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-06 12:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/6/2016 12:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2016 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are lots of dog breeds that probably shouldn't be around other
>>>> pets or children. A former boss of mine had a couple of Dalmations.
>>>> When his wife got pregnant they gave the dogs away because they
>>>> allegedly aren't good with children. I don't know if that's the case
>>>> (and his wife was a bit of a nut) but that's what he told me. Too bad,
>>>> he really loved those dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> My son had a Dalmatian. He had to get rid of it after it tried to kill
>>> one of the other dogs. Cute in a Disney movie, not so much in real life.
>>
>> Second validation. Apparently it's not just pit bulls and rottweilers
>> that have this sort of reputation.
>>
>
>Look at the list of biters by breed. Labrador Retrievers are number 8 on
>the list. I think there are a few reasons for that. First of all, they
>are generally very loving and patient dogs and people, especially kids,
>push them to the limit. Secondly, they are big dogs, so if they do lash
>out, it is likely to have some force behind. Third, and very important,
>is that they are so many of them. They are the single most popular breed.

Plus, many non-breeders have randomly bred them for the market. That
always harms a breed. Hip displaxia (sp?) was bad among labs
latterly, but not from good breeders who knew what to look for.

On 2016-07-06 3:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> And pit bulls have locking jaws which does make them a bit more
>>> dangerous if they decide to bite. They won't let go.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have this wonderful evolutionary advantage called opposing thumbs which when locked around the neck/trachea of a pit bull or any other dog can almost pinch the head right off the beast! Not to mention blocking their airway, which will mean their death in a very short time!!
>>
>> Yeah, I may get bloody, but *I* will not die in the battle!
>
> John Kuthe... Part Man, Part Weapon

You forgot to mention that he was a legend in his own mind.
>