On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:44:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-15 7:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>
>>>>> As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>>>> CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>>>> wear it.
>>>>
>>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>>> suppressing culture.
>>>>
>>>>> In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
>>>>> they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>>
>>> You really need to get out more.
>>>
>>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
>>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>
>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>
>> Sorry, my muslim terminology's a bit rusty. I'm not talking about head
>> scarfs, but about burqas.
>>
>
>
>Use the closest appropriate English word.... mask.

Perhaps it would be a great thing if Megatron dressed you up in a
burka like garment.

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:11:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On 14 Jul 2016 19:39:06 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2016-07-14, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>>>>
>>>>Not really.
>>>>
>>>>Front door cameras do not need to "go" anywhere. GoPro's are made to
>>>>be the favorite on-the-go camera fer millennials, extreme and X-sports
>>>>fans, etc. Lotta GoPro's on rafter/kayaker and bicyclist helmets:
>>>>
>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoPro
>>>>
>>>>WallyWorld sells 'em. I get the impression most of the cost of
>>>>Go-Pros is all the different mounts and memory cards, available.
>>>>Bring $$$$.
>>>>
>>>>nb
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well what do they call the cameras that monitor the door then ? I
>>> don't know, I live in a condo
>>
>>We just call ours a security camera.
>
> That was what I was trying to think of but had just been looking at
> some go-pro and dashcam ads and couldn't make it surface from the
> senior memory banks

We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
go-pro?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>
>>> > As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>> > CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>> > wear it.
>>>
>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>> suppressing culture.
>>>
>>> > In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
>>> > they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>
>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>
>>You really need to get out more.
>>
>>Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
>>cashier
>>wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>
>><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!

But I don't think he is referring to the hijab as a post box, just the
burkas. They are rather different.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
>>>>
>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>>>>
>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
>>>> do stuff.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
>>
>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
>>
>>
>>
> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.

Ok, thanks.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/15/2016 10:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
> go-pro?

No. Go Pro is a brand and they are for people to take
on their adventures or whatever. I imagine you can
stick one on your dashboard but it's not a dash cam.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/15/2016 10:06 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
>> go-pro?
>
> No. Go Pro is a brand and they are for people to take
> on their adventures or whatever. I imagine you can
> stick one on your dashboard but it's not a dash cam.

Thanks yes, I am understanding now



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:06:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:11:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On 14 Jul 2016 19:39:06 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2016-07-14, > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really.
>>>>>
>>>>>Front door cameras do not need to "go" anywhere. GoPro's are made to
>>>>>be the favorite on-the-go camera fer millennials, extreme and X-sports
>>>>>fans, etc. Lotta GoPro's on rafter/kayaker and bicyclist helmets:
>>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoPro
>>>>>
>>>>>WallyWorld sells 'em. I get the impression most of the cost of
>>>>>Go-Pros is all the different mounts and memory cards, available.
>>>>>Bring $$$$.
>>>>>
>>>>>nb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well what do they call the cameras that monitor the door then ? I
>>>> don't know, I live in a condo
>>>
>>>We just call ours a security camera.
>>
>> That was what I was trying to think of but had just been looking at
>> some go-pro and dashcam ads and couldn't make it surface from the
>> senior memory banks
>
>We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
>go-pro?

gopros are the ones you can put on a bike helmet, or I guess wear it
on your head. I find the video from those gawd awful.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:09:06 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>
>>>> > As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>>> > CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>>> > wear it.
>>>>
>>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>>> suppressing culture.
>>>>
>>>> > In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
>>>> > they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>>
>>>You really need to get out more.
>>>
>>>Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
>>>cashier
>>>wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>
>>><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
>
>But I don't think he is referring to the hijab as a post box, just the
>burkas. They are rather different.

I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.

On 2016-07-15 9:58 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith

>> Are those real numbers or are you just bullshitting us again? Your
>> employer contributed $10 to the men's pension and only $5 to yours?? So
>> when it was invested you ended up with a pension based on that $5
>> investment? My employer invested a percentage of my pay.
>
> The employer contributed double for the male, even in the same job and
> that was the reason stated. It was a bad response because I was
> working in an area where most of the women were single.
>
> I also received the same response from CUPE when there was strike
> talk. The union rep said there would be strike pay for the men who
> picketed (it was pretty paltry) and my radar tweaked and I asked him
> if women would also receive it and the answer was no, they have
> husbands to support them

Okay.. Go ahead and I will pretend that I believe you.


>
> I will admit most of those things are better now since the Task Force
> on Women went coast to coast and faced the federal government with a
> whole list of inequities. My younger daughter is Halifax head of a
> national shipping company and she regularly heaves a sigh at 'Let me
> speak to your boss" 'Let me speak to someone in charge' - it doesn't
> seem to cross male minds that a woman could be running that office,
> she daily thanks the male CEO in Montreal for his open mind.
>


Yeah, I can imagine that your daughter is head of a shipping company and
frequently comes whining to you about people wanting to talk to her boss.

On 2016-07-15 10:00 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:44:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-07-15 7:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>>> As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>>>>> CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>>>>> wear it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>>>> suppressing culture.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
>>>>>> they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>>>
>>>> You really need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
>>>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>>
>>> Sorry, my muslim terminology's a bit rusty. I'm not talking about head
>>> scarfs, but about burqas.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Use the closest appropriate English word.... mask.
>
> Perhaps it would be a great thing if Megatron dressed you up in a
> burka like garment.


I hope you didn't have to change your Depends after posting that and
thinking it was funny.

wrote:
>

> I despair of seeing equal before I die. Why does it have to be slow?
> Some things are definitely more equal, pensions would be my main one.
> I campaigned over that one with the Womens Task Force back in the 70s.
> I contributed to my pension, so did the man who did the same job as
> me. The company we worked for contributed $10 towards his pension
> but only $5 for me - because I was married and 'didn't really need
> it'!

It's sad. I worked for a guy once and his attitude was a woman
working was just taking away a "man's job" who is trying to
support his family. odd.

wrote:
>
> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.

I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
religious costume nonsense.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I'm going to use my free Golden Corral coupon tonight. They have
> prime rib and the large butterfly shrimp on the buffet tonight. And
> the prime rib is really good, served with au jus juice ;-)

Let is know how that was. 2 Golden Corrals here. One has fantastic food
always and the one time I tried the other it was really bad food.

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:44:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-07-15 7:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>>> As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>>>>> CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>>>>> wear it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>>>> suppressing culture.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>>>
>>>> You really need to get out more.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
>>>> cashier
>>>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>>
>>> Sorry, my muslim terminology's a bit rusty. I'm not talking about head
>>> scarfs, but about burqas.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Use the closest appropriate English word.... mask.
>
> Perhaps it would be a great thing if Megatron dressed you up in a
> burka like garment.

LOL, just LOL.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
>> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
>> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.
>
> I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
> religious costume nonsense.

That's a plus for many costumes not just those, no butt cracks, beer
bellies, muffin tops, etc. showing very early, and usually no cell phone
conversations.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
> >> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
> >> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.
> >
> > I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
> > religious costume nonsense.
>
> That's a plus for many costumes not just those, no butt cracks, beer
> bellies, muffin tops, etc. showing very early, and usually no cell phone
> conversations.


Yep...just nice, friendly morning people. Morning shopping is always a
nice experience for me. Shop before all the damn weirdos wake up and get
out.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
>> >> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
>> >> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.
>> >
>> > I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
>> > religious costume nonsense.
>>
>> That's a plus for many costumes not just those, no butt cracks, beer
>> bellies, muffin tops, etc. showing very early, and usually no cell phone
>> conversations.
>
>
> Yep...just nice, friendly morning people. Morning shopping is always a
> nice experience for me. Shop before all the damn weirdos wake up and get
> out.

Truly. The new Walmart Super Store opened up here on Wednesday, it's huge,
the paper said it was the second largest of their 5100 stores, and has just
about anything I would want. I was there very early this morning and not
many people there at all, also around a mile and a half from me and open 24
hours. First I went to Safeway, same thing, nobody much around, so I prefer
it. If I have any complaints about the giant stores, it's the walking
distance to different departments, but again, not many people blocking
aisles etc.

Cheri

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:30:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-15 9:58 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> Are those real numbers or are you just bullshitting us again? Your
>>> employer contributed $10 to the men's pension and only $5 to yours?? So
>>> when it was invested you ended up with a pension based on that $5
>>> investment? My employer invested a percentage of my pay.
>>
>> The employer contributed double for the male, even in the same job and
>> that was the reason stated. It was a bad response because I was
>> working in an area where most of the women were single.
>>
>> I also received the same response from CUPE when there was strike
>> talk. The union rep said there would be strike pay for the men who
>> picketed (it was pretty paltry) and my radar tweaked and I asked him
>> if women would also receive it and the answer was no, they have
>> husbands to support them
>
>Okay.. Go ahead and I will pretend that I believe you.
>
>
>>
>> I will admit most of those things are better now since the Task Force
>> on Women went coast to coast and faced the federal government with a
>> whole list of inequities. My younger daughter is Halifax head of a
>> national shipping company and she regularly heaves a sigh at 'Let me
>> speak to your boss" 'Let me speak to someone in charge' - it doesn't
>> seem to cross male minds that a woman could be running that office,
>> she daily thanks the male CEO in Montreal for his open mind.
>>
>
>
>Yeah, I can imagine that your daughter is head of a shipping company and
>frequently comes whining to you about people wanting to talk to her boss.
>
Ask me how much I care whether you believe me or not!

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:32:05 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-15 10:00 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:44:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-07-15 7:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
>>>>>>> CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
>>>>>>> wear it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
>>>>>> suppressing culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
>>>>>>> they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really need to get out more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
>>>>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, my muslim terminology's a bit rusty. I'm not talking about head
>>>> scarfs, but about burqas.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Use the closest appropriate English word.... mask.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be a great thing if Megatron dressed you up in a
>> burka like garment.
>
>
>I hope you didn't have to change your Depends after posting that and
>thinking it was funny.
>
>
You'd know more about Depends than I do, not a problem for me.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:16:13 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>
>> I despair of seeing equal before I die. Why does it have to be slow?
>> Some things are definitely more equal, pensions would be my main one.
>> I campaigned over that one with the Womens Task Force back in the 70s.
>> I contributed to my pension, so did the man who did the same job as
>> me. The company we worked for contributed $10 towards his pension
>> but only $5 for me - because I was married and 'didn't really need
>> it'!
>
>It's sad. I worked for a guy once and his attitude was a woman
>working was just taking away a "man's job" who is trying to
>support his family. odd.

Yes but it is changing now, though more slowly than I would wish, it
for others to take up the banner now.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:31:31 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
>> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
>> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.
>
>I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
>religious costume nonsense.

I shop early too but there are frequently women there in hijab, they
laugh, joke and carry on just the same way I do - we have a tendency
to do that here in NS. That's how I met my Palestinian friend Esam.
We tended to be there frequently at the same time, eventually sat and
had a coffee together and it progressed from there.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
> >>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
> >>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
> >>>>
> >>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
> >>>>
> >>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
> >>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
> >>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
> >>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
> >>>> do stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> nancy
> >>>>
> >>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
> >>
> >> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
>
> Ok, thanks.

Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/

--

sf

On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
>>>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
>>>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
>>>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
>>>>>> do stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
>>>>
>>>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>
> Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
> There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
> http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/
>
I'll let sf have the last word! :-)

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:19:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

> On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "graham" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
> >>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
> >>>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
> >>>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
> >>>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
> >>>>>> do stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nancy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
> >>>>
> >>>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
> >>
> >> Ok, thanks.
> >
> > Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
> > There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
> > http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/
> >
> I'll let sf have the last word! :-)

Here's the last word: There are more action cameras than that.

--

sf

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:09:20 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:11:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On 14 Jul 2016 19:39:06 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 2016-07-14, > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
> >>>>
> >>>>Not really.
> >>>>
> >>>>Front door cameras do not need to "go" anywhere. GoPro's are made to
> >>>>be the favorite on-the-go camera fer millennials, extreme and X-sports
> >>>>fans, etc. Lotta GoPro's on rafter/kayaker and bicyclist helmets:
> >>>>
> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoPro
> >>>>
> >>>>WallyWorld sells 'em. I get the impression most of the cost of
> >>>>Go-Pros is all the different mounts and memory cards, available.
> >>>>Bring $$$$.
> >>>>
> >>>>nb
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Well what do they call the cameras that monitor the door then ? I
> >>> don't know, I live in a condo
> >>
> >>We just call ours a security camera.
> >
> > That was what I was trying to think of but had just been looking at
> > some go-pro and dashcam ads and couldn't make it surface from the
> > senior memory banks
>
> We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
> go-pro?
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

GoPro is a company that makes small cameras that can be mounted on a surfboard, bike, drone, or almost anywhere. I saw one in a sporting goods store about 5 years ago. It was selling for around a hundred dollars. The GoPro display playing a video was most impressive. I realized that it was going to change everything. It did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8uanVc6k8

On 2016-07-15 12:16 PM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>
>> I despair of seeing equal before I die. Why does it have to be slow?
>> Some things are definitely more equal, pensions would be my main one.
>> I campaigned over that one with the Womens Task Force back in the 70s.
>> I contributed to my pension, so did the man who did the same job as
>> me. The company we worked for contributed $10 towards his pension
>> but only $5 for me - because I was married and 'didn't really need
>> it'!
>
> It's sad. I worked for a guy once and his attitude was a woman
> working was just taking away a "man's job" who is trying to
> support his family. odd.

There was a time when that may have been true. The way our society
worked was that people got married and the man was expected to work to
support his family the wife stayed him and looked after the children.
Families were larger and they did not have home freezers, automatic
washing machines, dryers etc. Taking care of the kids and housework was
a full time job.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:09:20 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:11:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >>> On 14 Jul 2016 19:39:06 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On 2016-07-14, > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Not really.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Front door cameras do not need to "go" anywhere. GoPro's are made to
>> >>>>be the favorite on-the-go camera fer millennials, extreme and
>> >>>>X-sports
>> >>>>fans, etc. Lotta GoPro's on rafter/kayaker and bicyclist helmets:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoPro
>> >>>>
>> >>>>WallyWorld sells 'em. I get the impression most of the cost of
>> >>>>Go-Pros is all the different mounts and memory cards, available.
>> >>>>Bring $$$$.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>nb
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> Well what do they call the cameras that monitor the door then ? I
>> >>> don't know, I live in a condo
>> >>
>> >>We just call ours a security camera.
>> >
>> > That was what I was trying to think of but had just been looking at
>> > some go-pro and dashcam ads and couldn't make it surface from the
>> > senior memory banks
>>
>> We have dashcams in our cars. I think that is probably what you call
>> go-pro?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> GoPro is a company that makes small cameras that can be mounted on a
> surfboard, bike, drone, or almost anywhere. I saw one in a sporting goods
> store about 5 years ago. It was selling for around a hundred dollars. The
> GoPro display playing a video was most impressive. I realized that it was
> going to change everything. It did.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8uanVc6k8

Thanks Pretty much what Graham was saying about the ones cyclists here
use on their helmets


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2016-07-15 1:25 PM, Gary wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
>>>> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
>>>> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.
>>>
>>> I shop early at the crack of dawn and thankfully I never see any of the
>>> religious costume nonsense.
>>
>> That's a plus for many costumes not just those, no butt cracks, beer
>> bellies, muffin tops, etc. showing very early, and usually no cell phone
>> conversations.
>
>
> Yep...just nice, friendly morning people. Morning shopping is always a
> nice experience for me. Shop before all the damn weirdos wake up and get
> out.

Any time you show up is apparently too late for that.

;-)

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:19:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
>>>>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
>>>>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
>>>>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
>>>>>>> do stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
>> There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
>> http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/
>>
>I'll let sf have the last word! :-)

Yes pass her the Kleenex :®

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:38:44 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:19:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, sf wrote:
>> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "graham" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
>> >>>>>>>>> way
>> >>>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
>> >>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
>> >>>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
>> >>>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
>> >>>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
>> >>>>>> do stuff.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> nancy
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, thanks.
>> >
>> > Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
>> > There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
>> > http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/
>> >
>> I'll let sf have the last word! :-)
>
>Here's the last word: There are more action cameras than that.

Yes but like many things that come on the market, first often grabs
the name. Think Hoover, Kleenex etc.

In article >,
says...
>
> Lucretia was talking about both hijabs and niqabs (which are pretty
> much equivalent to burqas). I couldn't tell which one you were objecting
> to. Most of the Muslims around here are pretty Westernized, although
> I don't often get to Dearborn, which has much higher concentrations of
> fresh immigrants.

I'm only objecting to clothing that hides the face, the burqa/niqab.

In article >, says...
>
> On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:10:30 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On 7/15/2016 5:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "graham" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On 7/14/2016 1:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/14/2016 3:13 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:05:00 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 7/14/2016 6:51 AM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> They were around a lot then but latterly they have found that one
> >>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>> and another the bell is not answered. Most likely because people
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> go pros and can see exactly who it is.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry, what is a go pros?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A camera aimed to show who is at the front door, or whatever door.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A Go Pro is a video camera that people attach to all kinds of things
> >>>>>> and it takes video of them doing all kinds of sports, etc.
> >>>>>> They attach it to their skis or their bike or their helmet and
> >>>>>> that's how you see a lot of footage of what people see when they
> >>>>>> do stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nancy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Or, as in many instances, to film anti-cyclist road rage or "accidents".
> >>>>
> >>>> Ahh is that what they call my dashcam??
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Yes, if in a car. Go-Pro on a bike helmet.
> >>
> >> Ok, thanks.
> >
> > Go-Pro is a brand name. https://gopro.com/
> > There are other action cameras on the market, TomTom is one of them.
> > http://www.mtb-downhill.net/danny-ha...-camera-video/
> >
> I'll let sf have the last word! :-)

As if you have a choice

In article >,
says...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>
> >>> > As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
> >>> > CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
> >>> > wear it.
> >>>
> >>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
> >>> suppressing culture.
> >>>
> >>> > In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
> >>> > they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
> >>
> >>You really need to get out more.
> >>
> >>Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
> >>cashier
> >>wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
> >>
> >><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
>
> But I don't think he is referring to the hijab as a post box, just the
> burkas. They are rather different.

Yes, a scrafe doesn't look like a mailbox to me.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:09:06 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> says...
> >>>
> >>>> > As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
> >>>> > CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
> >>>> > wear it.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
> >>>> suppressing culture.
> >>>>
> >>>> > In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
> >>>> > they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
> >>>
> >>>You really need to get out more.
> >>>
> >>>Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
> >>>cashier
> >>>wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
> >>>
> >>><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
> >>>
> >>>Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
> >
> >But I don't think he is referring to the hijab as a post box, just the
> >burkas. They are rather different.
>
> I would think Muslim women wearing them are extremely rare in Oz, they
> are here. There are plenty of women in my supermarket wearing
> 'scarves' but I have never glimpsed a burqa.

I've seen it, but not often. Why would I have a problem with a scarf?

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2016-07-15 7:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>
> >>>> As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
> >>>> CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
> >>>> wear it.
> >>>
> >>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
> >>> suppressing culture.
> >>>
> >>>> In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
> >>>> they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
> >>
> >> You really need to get out more.
> >>
> >> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
> >> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
> >>
> >> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
> >
> > Sorry, my muslim terminology's a bit rusty. I'm not talking about head
> > scarfs, but about burqas.
> >
>
>
> Use the closest appropriate English word.... mask.

Yes, that's what they are.

In article > ,
lid says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:35:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >>> In article >,
> > >>> says...
> > >>
> > >>> > As usual, taking my words out of context. In referring to women IN
> > >>> > CANADA who wear niqab or hajib I said I would defend their right to
> > >>> > wear it.
> > >>>
> > >>> You're defending extremist islam, which is a male chauvinist, women
> > >>> suppressing culture.
> > >>>
> > >>> > In point of fact, just because some Muslim women wear it does not mean
> > >>> > they are part of an 'extreme' branch of Islam.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh, come on. You don't walk around like that if you're not extreme.
> > >>
> > >>You really need to get out more.
> > >>
> > >>Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
> > >>cashier
> > >>wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
> > >>
> > >><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
> > >>
> > >>Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
> >
> > But I don't think he is referring to the hijab as a post box, just the
> > burkas. They are rather different.
>
> Yes, a scrafe doesn't look like a mailbox to me.

And a scarf doesn't either!

On 2016-07-15 4:05 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> Lucretia was talking about both hijabs and niqabs (which are pretty
>> much equivalent to burqas). I couldn't tell which one you were objecting
>> to. Most of the Muslims around here are pretty Westernized, although
>> I don't often get to Dearborn, which has much higher concentrations of
>> fresh immigrants.
>
> I'm only objecting to clothing that hides the face, the burqa/niqab.
>
Feel free to call it what it is.... a mask.

On 7/15/2016 7:43 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>
>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
>
That is a nice link. Most of those don't cover the face completely and
I noticed the women are not adverse to wearing makeup, either.

Jill

On 7/15/2016 7:43 AM, wrote:

>>
>> You really need to get out more.
>>
>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my cashier
>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>
>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
>

Yes, there are. Muslims have a big PR problem though. They all get
lumped in with the ones blowing up airports and the like.

On 7/15/2016 4:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 7:43 AM, wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You really need to get out more.
>>>
>>> Yesterday at the grocery store, I saw two giggling teenagers and my
>>> cashier
>>> wearing hijabs. If I'd been paying attention, I might have seen more.
>>>
>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-beautiful-reasons-why-these-women-love-wearing-a-hijab_us_57320575e4b0bc9cb0482225>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> What a lovely link! Some bloody attractive 'mail boxes' in that lot!
>>
>
> Yes, there are. Muslims have a big PR problem though. They all get
> lumped in with the ones blowing up airports and the like.

A lot of that has to do with their general silence on such matters.