In article >, ost
says...
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:45:37 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
> > Here, no matter your age they card for alcohol and cigarettes.
> > Doesn't matter if you're 21 or 91, they will ask for ID; no
> > ID, no sale.
>
> It's written into law in some states - must show ID not matter how old
> they look.
>
> I knew I was screwed when I walked into a bar in either Kansas [City?]
> or Missouri and they were carding the 80-year old lady in front of me.

Who needs an EU!

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:18:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message ]
>>
>>
>>> Some OTC meds can be made into hallucigenics. Most pharmacies here
>>> limit me to one bottle of Mucinex and I have to show ID. However at
>>> BJs I can buy a dozen bottles with no ID, weird how rules go.
>>
>> Yes, they have the same thing here with some of the OTC, not Mucinex that
>> I'm aware of, but I've not bought more than one at a time, so dunno for
>> sure. I can tell you that the nicotine lozenges were very addictive and
>> had to break that habit after quitting smoking too.
>
>Depends on the ingredients. There are many different kinds of Mucinex. If a
>cold pill contains pseudoephedrine, then it can be used to make bad drugs.
>If it contains phenylephrine, then it can't be used for that and some say it
>isn't very effective for colds and stuffy noses.

I take Sudafed (phenylephrine) for a post nasal drip, I can buy a
package of ten low dosage pills OTC with no questions but I take the
24 hour time release version and so need to show ID... plus I take one
every day and buying them in packs of ten won't work since I can buy
only one pack at a time an d pharmacies don't alwasys shave it in
stock, so my MD writes a Rx and I get a 90 day supply refillable 3X. I
need to renew a few days in advance as no local pharmacy keeps that
much on hand... mail order pharmacies don't dispense Sudafed as it's
an OTC med. Recently I changed to the 12 hour version and that works
just as well for me as I take it before bedtime. I take the generic
version from Rite-Aid, each pack contains 20 pills, costs a whole lot
less than the brand name Sudafed, which is great as Ins. doesn't cover
OTC meds. It began with me taking 12 hour pills twice a day, after a
few days I tried just taking one at bedtime, so with 20 pills each
pack the nine pack 90 day Rx lasts me 180 days. I don't like taking
more medication than I need, with OTC meds I think people need to
experiment to find a lower dose that works for them. The 24 hour
version contains 240 mgs of pseudoephedrine per caplet, the 10 hour
version contains only 120 mgs. I only need it to stop the drip at
night so I can sleep. I started off getting Sudafed with Walmart's
home delivery, but they suck at home delivery (it's near impossible to
phone them for renewals unless I want to spend hours listening to
elevator music) and they are too far to drive there so often (35 miles
round trip). Rite Aid doesn't do home delivery but it's only a 7 mile
round trip and I go into town often anyway. The Rite Aid pharmacist
is who got me started on the 12 hour generic because there is no 24
hour generic... brand name Sudafed is expensive.

On 7/11/2016 7:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:46:37 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2016 12:45 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> Here, no matter your age they card for alcohol and cigarettes.
>>> Doesn't matter if you're 21 or 91, they will ask for ID; no
>>> ID, no sale.
>>>
>> It's the law here, too. However, at one local store, unless you look
>> like you're 12 (who can tell these days) they just key in 01/01/1930 to
>> authorize the purchase. *IF* I'd been with the government entity that
>> attempts to enforce those laws they'd fail.
>
> I don't think I was ever carded in South Carolina, so it must not be
> law.
>
> All states have a law that says you can't sell liquor to persons under
> 21. But how you determine that a person is 21 or not is usually up o
> the seller.
>
> Only a small handful of states have a law that you must card EVERYONE.
> And states that do have the law are very good at carding EVERYONE
> since they have sting operations where they cops send in 80-year olds
> and if they don't get carded by the clerk, the clerk and store gets
> busted.
>
> Really, isn't it discrimination to have to provide ID? That's what
> some of the politicians would have us believe.
>
> -sw
>
When was the last time you were in SC? All the stores have signs on the
door stating ID is required by law. A few years ago the Exxon station
near my house was caught in a sting. For a year there was a big sign on
the door "Absolutely no alcohol sold here". That's how long they were
penalized for selling beer to an undercover minor.

Jill

On 7/11/2016 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> It could be worse. There is a small grocery store in Thorold where I get
> most of my meat. There are three checkouts, and almost always all
> running. They are right by the exit door. Seriously. There are two
> together just a few feet from the door and the third is right at the
> door. When we are in the deep freeze those cashiers are exposed to a
> lot of cold air every time someone walks out.
>
Hmmmm. All of the grocery stores around here have a vestibule (I don't
know what else to call it) where the shopping carts are stashed. There
are doors from the outside to where the carts are, another set of doors
to actually enter or exit the store. Such a design provides some buffer
from extreme heat & cold outside.

Jill

On 2016-07-12 11:15 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> When was the last time you were in SC? All the stores have signs on the
> door stating ID is required by law. A few years ago the Exxon station
> near my house was caught in a sting. For a year there was a big sign on
> the door "Absolutely no alcohol sold here". That's how long they were
> penalized for selling beer to an undercover minor.


We moved to the Niagara area when I was a teen. The drinking age in
Ontario was 21 and only 18 in NY. I was only 14 the first time I was
served in a Niagara Falls NY bar. Most of us went over the border every
weekend and frequented the bars that didn't care about the legal limit.
Once in a while a bar would get caught serving minors and would be shut
down for a month. Then they would re-open and it would be business as
usual.

Four months before my 21st birthday the drinking age in Ontario dropped
to 18. It was later raised to 19. Meanwhile, NY raised theirs to 21.
Now the movement of under aged drinkers has reversed. A whole section of
downtown Niagara Falls NY where the lax ID bars were went under.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2016-07-11 4:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> >>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
> >>
> >> I think people need to show ID and a HS diploma to vote.
> >>
> >
> >
> >We have people here who think it is important not to have to uncover
> >their face in order to vote. Hell, we had one who insisted on having her
> >face covered while taking the oath of citizenship.
>
> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
> was.

Did she flash the judge?

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:29:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 7/11/2016 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > It could be worse. There is a small grocery store in Thorold where I get
> > most of my meat. There are three checkouts, and almost always all
> > running. They are right by the exit door. Seriously. There are two
> > together just a few feet from the door and the third is right at the
> > door. When we are in the deep freeze those cashiers are exposed to a
> > lot of cold air every time someone walks out.
> >
> Hmmmm. All of the grocery stores around here have a vestibule (I don't
> know what else to call it) where the shopping carts are stashed. There
> are doors from the outside to where the carts are, another set of doors
> to actually enter or exit the store. Such a design provides some buffer
> from extreme heat & cold outside.
>
Not here and not where Dave lives either.


--

sf

On 2016-07-12 12:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-07-11 4:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
>>>>
>>>> I think people need to show ID and a HS diploma to vote.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have people here who think it is important not to have to uncover
>>> their face in order to vote. Hell, we had one who insisted on having her
>>> face covered while taking the oath of citizenship.
>>
>> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
>> was.
>
> Did she flash the judge?
>

As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.

On 07/07/16, Sqwertz said the following...

Sq> I've left my cart in line and gone 30 feet to grab one more thing
Sq> while they're still checking out people in front of me and somebody
Sq> had the nerve to push my cart out of line and move up to my spot. Oh,
Sq> no, no, no, no, no... I was back before the line even moved and only
Sq> gone 14-15 seconds. I shoved my cart right back in line where I was.
Sq>
Sq> I'm very good at The Grocery Game.

I like the way our military commissary does it. They have ONE LINE it does
not matter if you have one thing or ten things. The way it works is you get
in line. It's walled off in a zig-zag pattern and once you enter the "walled
maze" you can not go back into the store you are committed and you have to
check out.

Mind you they have candy, magazines and impulse things hanging on the
"pegboard wall maze". When you get to be the next to be checked out you
stand in front of a TV monitor. It will ding and show a number... you go
directly to that lane. You get NO CHOICE of which cashier gets you... you go
to that lane.

What I can say about the military commissary is ALL the employees are
friendly, and they know what they are doing. Your items will be bagged
professionally and efficiently. You won't have squashed bread or crushed
chips as they do it with precision.

I can't imagine that would go on at a costco. I'm sure that costco wanted
their money, but that's just rude and low class.

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On 07/07/16, dsi1 said the following...

ds> I'm surprised that somebody doesn't get killed at our Costco. Our Costco
ds> is not laid back. It's a giant rat race and probably has 2 or 3 times
ds> the action of any other Costco in the nation. Going to Costco can be an
ds> ordeal. I sure wish our Costco was like yours. That would be just great.

I hear each one is different. The Costco that's currently opened in
Louisville is in the "Fat Wallet Zone" of Louisville... it's very laid back
and the people there fall over each other being friendly (even the customers).

They are opening a second one... IN DA HOOD... mainly to show how they can
bring back a degraded neighborhood. Mind you that area of town hasn't had a
real retail store or grocery other than a mom and pop that $crews you with
prices for more than 20 years now. They will offer free memberships to the
"Disinfranchised" from a grant from the city.

I'm wondering how long it will last or if Costco can really turn around that
part of town. I know that they have aggressively went after the hooker
hotels in that area of town and shut them down or forced them to clean up and
legitimized.

Costco really has clout on the zoning board here too. They have shut down
DOZENS of undesirable businesses and even have bought their properties to
tear them down. The new store (will be closer to my home) will open in
August... and the neighborhood has already gotten cleaner and the crime has
dropped.

Allen

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On 07/07/16, Ed Pawlowski said the following...

EP> Last week I had a few items and went to the 12 or fewer express lane.
EP> Seconds before me an employee ending her shift pulled in ahead of me.
EP> I don't know the total, but she handed the cashier a can of cat food and
EP> said "48 of these" among about 20 other items.
EP>
EP> Frustrating mildly, but then she started searching for coupons. I put
EP> my stuff back in the cart and went to the self checkout and finished
EP> before they did. I made it a point to stop and let them know it was not
EP> good for employees to abuse the lines. No manager was around.

I had a lady who did that in the Express lane of wal-mart and when I
complained to the manager they said it was corporate policy not to refuse any
customer. That it "endangers" the cashier if it becomes confrontational.

I was like whaaaaat??? And the manager said that there have been cashiers
who have been injured for correcting customers.

Allen

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On 07/07/16, cshenk said the following...

cs> I shop with my daughter and we check before we get in line, but if we
cs> miss something one goes back while the other continues to the checkout
cs> line.

If this is who I think it is <from Asian Link> then hello... and I doubt
seriously you would send your daughter for a whole cart full piled to the top
of stuff. One Item I can live with... one cart I cannot.

I do most of my shopping at the commissary... better food ... better
international section... great service.

Allen

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On 7/12/2016 3:09 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:29:45 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2016 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It could be worse. There is a small grocery store in Thorold where I get
>>> most of my meat. There are three checkouts, and almost always all
>>> running. They are right by the exit door. Seriously. There are two
>>> together just a few feet from the door and the third is right at the
>>> door. When we are in the deep freeze those cashiers are exposed to a
>>> lot of cold air every time someone walks out.
>>>
>> Hmmmm. All of the grocery stores around here have a vestibule (I don't
>> know what else to call it) where the shopping carts are stashed. There
>> are doors from the outside to where the carts are, another set of doors
>> to actually enter or exit the store. Such a design provides some buffer
>> from extreme heat & cold outside.
>>
> Not here and not where Dave lives either.
>
>
Maybe not, but the design makes sense. Employees and customers benefit
from having a buffer such as that.

Jill

On 07/07/16, Cheri said the following...

Ch> Really has nothing to do with Walmart and everything to do with the
Ch> people involved.

That's why my ex jokingly called it the "Wal-Martian" syndrome. You see the
strangest things at WalMart.

Allen

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:45:57 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 3:09 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:29:45 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/11/2016 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It could be worse. There is a small grocery store in Thorold where I get
> >>> most of my meat. There are three checkouts, and almost always all
> >>> running. They are right by the exit door. Seriously. There are two
> >>> together just a few feet from the door and the third is right at the
> >>> door. When we are in the deep freeze those cashiers are exposed to a
> >>> lot of cold air every time someone walks out.
> >>>
> >> Hmmmm. All of the grocery stores around here have a vestibule (I don't
> >> know what else to call it) where the shopping carts are stashed. There
> >> are doors from the outside to where the carts are, another set of doors
> >> to actually enter or exit the store. Such a design provides some buffer
> >> from extreme heat & cold outside.
> >>
> > Not here and not where Dave lives either.
> >
> >
> Maybe not, but the design makes sense. Employees and customers benefit
> from having a buffer such as that.
>
It would certainly make sense here just from an employee health
standpoint, but your weather is mild.


--

sf

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:08:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-07-12 12:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2016-07-11 4:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think people need to show ID and a HS diploma to vote.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have people here who think it is important not to have to uncover
> >>> their face in order to vote. Hell, we had one who insisted on having her
> >>> face covered while taking the oath of citizenship.
> >>
> >> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
> >> was.
> >
> > Did she flash the judge?
> >
>
> As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
> female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
> bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
> refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.

Her children will have a more modern attitude and she might loosen up
over time.

--

sf

On 7/12/2016 2:09 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:08:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-07-12 12:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-07-11 4:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think people need to show ID and a HS diploma to vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have people here who think it is important not to have to uncover
>>>>> their face in order to vote. Hell, we had one who insisted on having her
>>>>> face covered while taking the oath of citizenship.
>>>>
>>>> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
>>>> was.
>>>
>>> Did she flash the judge?
>>>
>>
>> As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
>> female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
>> bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
>> refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.
>
> Her children will have a more modern attitude and she might loosen up
> over time.
>

Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
them for it.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
> them for it.

My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.

--

sf

On 2016-07-12, jmcquown > wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 3:09 PM, sf wrote:


>> Not here and not where Dave lives either.

> Maybe not, but the design makes sense.

How does sf know what Dave has in Canada?

Most sprmkts, in snow country, have indoor cart storage. Duh.

As I recall it, most places --Lowe's, Safeway, HD, Target, etc, have
indoor cart storage, regardless. This in "never snows" SFBA.

nb

On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
>> them for it.
>
> My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
>


Just the facts, Jack!

In article >, says...
>
> On 2016-07-12 12:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
> >> was.
> >
> > Did she flash the judge?
> >
>
> As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
> female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
> bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
> refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.

If you don't want to give up even the most extreme traits of your
culture, don't move to another country. That includes dressing like a
mailbox.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/12/2016 2:09 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:08:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-07-12 12:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2016-07-11 4:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think people need to show ID and a HS diploma to vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have people here who think it is important not to have to uncover
> >>>>> their face in order to vote. Hell, we had one who insisted on having her
> >>>>> face covered while taking the oath of citizenship.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, that is not exactly how it went, the judge knew exactly who she
> >>>> was.
> >>>
> >>> Did she flash the judge?
> >>>
> >>
> >> As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
> >> female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
> >> bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
> >> refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.
> >
> > Her children will have a more modern attitude and she might loosen up
> > over time.
> >
>
> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
> them for it.


And if she doesn't, she has a husband and might have uncles.

On 12 Jul 2016 21:28:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> As I recall it, most places --Lowe's, Safeway, HD, Target, etc, have
> indoor cart storage, regardless. This in "never snows" SFBA.

Every Safeway I shop at keeps their carts outside.

--

sf

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:28:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
> >> them for it.
> >
> > My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
> >
>
>
> Just the facts, Jack!

It's only conjecture based on bigotry coming from you.


--

sf

On 7/12/2016 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/12/2016 3:09 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:29:45 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:

>>> Hmmmm. All of the grocery stores around here have a vestibule (I don't
>>> know what else to call it) where the shopping carts are stashed. There
>>> are doors from the outside to where the carts are, another set of doors
>>> to actually enter or exit the store. Such a design provides some buffer
>>> from extreme heat & cold outside.
>>>
>> Not here and not where Dave lives either.
>>
>>
> Maybe not, but the design makes sense. Employees and customers benefit
> from having a buffer such as that.

That's a very common layout for many stores where I live, anyway,
not just supermarkets. Certainly makes sense and saves on
utility bills, too. You'd think in Canada it would be a given.

nancy

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:29:53 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

> And if she doesn't, she has a husband and might have uncles.

Odds are that she wouldn't, but men are crazy, controlling and
arrogant enough to do that. In fact, it's highly likely that she's
all covered up because that's the way her husband wants her to dress.

--

sf

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:29:53 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > And if she doesn't, she has a husband and might have uncles.
>
> Odds are that she wouldn't, but men are crazy, controlling and
> arrogant enough to do that.

Yes.

> In fact, it's highly likely that she's
> all covered up because that's the way her husband wants her to dress.

When asked, they often say they want it themselves. And then the
politically correct go "It's a woman's right to dress how she wants!"
And then it's suddenly no longer about suppression of women but about a
woman's right to look like a mailbox.

On 7/12/2016 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:28:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
>>>> them for it.
>>>
>>> My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just the facts, Jack!
>
> It's only conjecture based on bigotry coming from you.
>
>


No, it is not. Do you live in a vacuum?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/11/2016 7:43 PM, Alex wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes, the criminals that abuse them do not want them.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> I doubt most criminals who are buying guns aren't buying them from
>>> legitimate gun dealers.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Really? How does that work?
>
> You can't be serious. Got cash? Plenty of guns available.

Sure, but read what she posted again.

On 7/12/2016 6:26 PM, Bruce wrote:

> When asked, they often say they want it themselves. And then the
> politically correct go "It's a woman's right to dress how she wants!"
> And then it's suddenly no longer about suppression of women but about a
> woman's right to look like a mailbox.
>
A relative of mine married into a Muslim family, converted, and
voluntarily covers up _much_ more than does her mother-in-law, who was
born and raised in the faith.
All you can see of her is her hands and most of her face - she doesn't
wear a face veil.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:43:42 -0400, Alex > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2016 12:21 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 03:11:16 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> But people think you shouldn't have to provide ID to vote.
>>>>> People think we shouldn't have background checks for gun ownership.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sf
>>>> Yes, the criminals that abuse them do not want them.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>> I doubt most criminals who are buying guns aren't buying them from
>>> legitimate gun dealers.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> Really? How does that work?
> Oh, grow up.
>

Do you want to explain it? What she posted makes no sense at all.

On 2016-07-12 5:09 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:08:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>>> Did she flash the judge?
>>>
>>
>> As I recall, she had to go into another room and remove her mask for a
>> female to check her, or some similarly ridiculously accommodating
>> bullshit. I can't imagine anyone even trying to defend someone who
>> refuses to uncover their face to take an oath of citizenship.
>
> Her children will have a more modern attitude and she might loosen up
> over time.
>


Nuts to that. She moved her from some Muslim country, some of which
force women to cover up. Call me old fashioned, by I expect immigrants
to a society to adopt some of the basic ideas of that society. The
niqab is hardly the symbol of freedom and tolerance. For many, it is
more a symbol of intolerance and impression. She would not ever take if
off for the few minutes it took to take the oath.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:31:24 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:28:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
> >>>> them for it.
> >>>
> >>> My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just the facts, Jack!
> >
> > It's only conjecture based on bigotry coming from you.
> >
> >
>
>
> No, it is not. Do you live in a vacuum?

Nope, but it's obvious what's influencing you.

--

sf

On 2016-07-12 5:20 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 7/12/2016 2:09 PM, sf wrote:

>> Her children will have a more modern attitude and she might loosen up
>> over time.
>>
>
> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
> them for it.

Yep. We have had more than one honour killing when some dirty little
whore disgraced her family by demonstrating western values.

On 2016-07-12 5:34 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:28:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
>>>> them for it.
>>>
>>> My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just the facts, Jack!
>
> It's only conjecture based on bigotry coming from you.

It is not conjecture when there have been honour<?> killings here.
>
>

On 2016-07-12 5:49 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:29:53 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> And if she doesn't, she has a husband and might have uncles.
>
> Odds are that she wouldn't, but men are crazy, controlling and
> arrogant enough to do that. In fact, it's highly likely that she's
> all covered up because that's the way her husband wants her to dress.
>

Only a whore would dress immodestly. If some other guy looks at his
wife in an appreciative way he might have to kill her.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:51:42 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> On 7/12/2016 6:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > When asked, they often say they want it themselves. And then the
> > politically correct go "It's a woman's right to dress how she wants!"
> > And then it's suddenly no longer about suppression of women but about a
> > woman's right to look like a mailbox.
> >
> A relative of mine married into a Muslim family, converted, and
> voluntarily covers up _much_ more than does her mother-in-law, who was
> born and raised in the faith.
> All you can see of her is her hands and most of her face - she doesn't
> wear a face veil.

For her, it's a choice, not a requirement.

Born & raised young American Jews around here are much more strict
about religious practices around here than Israeli Jews are. Go
figger.

--

sf

On 2016-07-12 7:03 PM, sf wrote:

>> A relative of mine married into a Muslim family, converted, and
>> voluntarily covers up _much_ more than does her mother-in-law, who was
>> born and raised in the faith.
>> All you can see of her is her hands and most of her face - she doesn't
>> wear a face veil.
>
> For her, it's a choice, not a requirement.

Converts often go a little overboard.


> Born & raised young American Jews around here are much more strict
> about religious practices around here than Israeli Jews are. Go
> figger.

I guess that depends on their particular community. When I was a teen
close to a third of the students in my high school were Jews, and they
were all pretty well integrated into and assimilated with the rest of
us. They were about as Jewish as I was Anglican, born into it and raised
with it, but bot practicing. I never encountered any of the stricter
branches of it. There was a Jewish girl in some of my university
classes, a gorgeous young lady with a very nice personality. By
coincidence, her brother and I became very good friends and used to get
together for guitar jams. I also became friends with her sister through
a book club. After several divorces, she ended up hooking up with an
Orthodox Jew. Her mother, brother and sister were appalled.

When my son lived in Montreal he had a Jewish female roommate. When her
parents came from NYC to visit he took them for a tour of the city. At
one point they were in a neighbourhood of ultra conservative Jews and
the parents were cracking jokes about them.

On 7/12/2016 3:58 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:31:24 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2016 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:28:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/12/2016 2:23 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:20:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Her children will have a more modern attitude, and she just might kill
>>>>>> them for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My, my - aren't you a ray of glorious sunshine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just the facts, Jack!
>>>
>>> It's only conjecture based on bigotry coming from you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> No, it is not. Do you live in a vacuum?
>
> Nope, but it's obvious what's influencing you.
>

What is influencing me is the FACT that honor killings are occurring
here in the USA.

On 7/12/2016 7:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-07-12 7:03 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>> A relative of mine married into a Muslim family, converted, and
>>> voluntarily covers up _much_ more than does her mother-in-law, who was
>>> born and raised in the faith.
>>> All you can see of her is her hands and most of her face - she doesn't
>>> wear a face veil.
>>
>> For her, it's a choice, not a requirement.
>
> Converts often go a little overboard.
>
Yes, many do.