"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>>My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My
>>understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12
>>on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last
>>time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a
>>handy feature.
>
> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.

I love the self cleaning feature and have never had a problem with that at
all for a whole lot of years, I wouldn't buy an oven without it.

Cheri

Dave Smith wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>>
>> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.
>
>I beg to differ. I have made the mistake of leaving things on the burner
>(turned off) with the vent and they get quite warm.

sf is psychotic, she want's to believe her stove is SPECIAL, she can't
bring herself to admit her stove is the same as everyone else's...
meanwhile she won't say what cheapo toys r us stove she has.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>
> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.

I've read over and over again about the faulty self-cleaning feature
of new ovens with hidden coils. Every time someone posts about these
problems, my resolve is strengthened to hang on to my older than dirt
Jenn-Air (exposed coils, works just fine in self-cleaning mode) until
it dies.

--

sf

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:38:06 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> I love the self cleaning feature and have never had a problem with that at
> all for a whole lot of years, I wouldn't buy an oven without it.

+1

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sf

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:34:22 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
>I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH oven
>cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.

That will certainly do the job well. I generally just use kitchen
detergent and clean the gas oven every few times I use it. Oddly
enough, the wood combustion oven still doesn't need cleaning, even
after a few years. No idea why that is the case, it should be no
different to electric or gas I would have thought. Maybe it just burns
it off...

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>
> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.

Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make this product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if it's going to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of butter. Not only that you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great is that?

Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the hell is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The wimmenfolk need to get off their butts and get back to work instead of sitting around watching the soap opery all day long!

You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see mister!!!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
> >
> > It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> > they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> > hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> > grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>
> Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make this product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if it's going to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of butter. Not only that you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great is that?
>
> Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the hell is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The wimmenfolk need to get off their butts and get back to work instead of sitting around watching the soap opery all day long!
>
> You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see mister!!!

We'll be living the dream.

--

sf

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:29:18 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> > In article >,
>>> >
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>> >>> did
>>> >>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>> >>
>>> >> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>> >> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>> >> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven
>>> >> has
>>> >> never heated up the room.
>>> >
>>> > I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
>>> > wanting to use the oven for that reason.
>>> >
>>> > Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
>>> > kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>>
>>>
>>The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
>>of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
>>call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
>>the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
>>oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
>>baste, or remove the food.
>
> Yes, with better quality stoves the oven is vented through the
> backsplash. Wall oven vents are usually located on the front facia
> just above the door opening. In commercial kitchens ovens are vented
> to the outdoors, next you're at a pizza parlor you'll see the flue
> pipe exiting the top of the oven and going outside. Nasturally
> everytime teh oven door is opened heat escapes, that's the reason for
> glass panel oven doors and also oven lights. It would be nice if home
> fridges had glass panel doors too, so people wouldn't be standing
> there for ten minutes perussing with the door open and then take
> nothing... a lot of people have a fridge psychosis, they can't pass
> the fridge without opening the door just to take inventory... some
> people are very ill, they can't be on the phone in the kitchen lest
> the fridge door is open the entire time... they need to be committed
> to the Perishables Sanitarium and work through the Kelvinator 12 step
> program.

LOL I have to say we don't have that problem here

As for vents, my ovens are on the wall and they vent outside. That doesn't
stop the kitchen getting very warm though, for reasons previously discussed.



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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My
>>> understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around
>>> $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and
>>> last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad,
>>> it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
> I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH oven
> cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.

Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!


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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>> >one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My
>> >understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around
>> >$12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and
>> >last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad,
>> >it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>
> Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make this
> product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if it's going
> to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of butter. Not only that
> you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great is that?
>
> Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the hell
> is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The wimmenfolk
> need to get off their butts and get back to work instead of sitting around
> watching the soap opery all day long!
>
> You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets elected.
> He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see mister!!!


LOL


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"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/18/2016 6:25 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:29:18 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>>>>> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>>>> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> never heated up the room.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
>>>>> wanting to use the oven for that reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
>>>>> kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>>>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
>>> of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
>>> call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
>>> the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
>>> oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
>>> baste, or remove the food.
>>
>> Thanks. I was beginning to think that the law of conservation of
>> matter and energy was in abeyance in the kitchens of some RFC posters.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>
> I know that MY oven actually cools down the house. True Story!*
>
>
> * anytime someone says "true story" they are lying.

I am thinking of a person that I know. She has a habit of saying,
"honestly", and then will go on to give you a reason or excuse. This is my
tip off that she is lying. I have also learned that when she says, "Just
give me two minutes. Two minutes!", it means that two hours later I will
still be waiting for her to finish up whatever she is doing.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
>> of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
>> call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
>> the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
>> oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
>> baste, or remove the food.
>
> Some ovens and vent hoods vent to the outside. Either by homeowner
> request or it's mandatory as part of the building code depending on
> where you live.
>
> Apparently there's a lot of pollution that is generated by gas stoves
> and ovens, particularly. Like formaldehyde. And all that stuff is
> just accumulating in the house when you cook.
>
> -sw

When I got the new hood vent, Mr. Handyman and I thought it did not vent to
the outside. But after he finally managed to get the old one off, he
realized that it actually did. Oops! He bought the wrong one. Not a big
deal. He said it would still work and I had him install it. I actually
rarely use it anyway. I hardly ever fry or burn things. If I do, I just open
the kitchen door for a little while.

He put it in about 2-3 years ago and the filter is still clean looking. I
think frying does the most damage to them. One reason he couldn't get the
old one off was that it was so greasy, that it was partially stuck on by
grease. They also used screws that were about 6" long. What a joke! He said
the way they installed it made no sense whatever.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>
> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.

The vent on my stove sure does.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-07-18 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>>
>> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.
>
> I beg to differ. I have made the mistake of leaving things on the burner
> (turned off) with the vent and they get quite warm.

Yep. It's how I get dough to rise more quickly, melt butter or coconut oil.
I do have to be careful with the dough though as it can actually get too
hot.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>>>>>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>>>>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>>>>>>never heated up the room.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
>>>>> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
>>>>> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.
>>>>
>>>> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire
>>>> house. Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll
>>>> use it to make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.
>>>
>>> Mine is a fairly new GE wall oven and it definitely adds heat since the
>>> fan blows hot air out for quite awhile afterwards. My old Frigidaire
>>> didn't heat the kitchen up nearly as much.
>>
>> I have wall ovens and the large one has a fan. Same here, It blows for
>> a while afterwards too.
>>
>> Today I was making bread and house was very cool. I was glad of the heat
>> from the ovens to help rise that bread.
>
> Lucky you! Here, hot, but I do have good central air so I do use my oven
> year round if needed. I also have a Nu-Wave which is nice for many things
> and a fair sized toaster oven, so I'm good to go.
>
> Cheri

Angela really wants one of those but we have no room for one.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/18/2016 2:21 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/18/2016 8:57 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>>>>> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> never heated up the room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
>>>>>> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
>>>>>> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire
>>>>> house. Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll
>>>>> use it to make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.
>>>>
>>>> Mine is a fairly new GE wall oven and it definitely adds heat since the
>>>> fan blows hot air out for quite awhile afterwards.
>>>
>>> That's the cooling fan for the electronics. Mine failed once during a
>>> very high temperature bread baking session:-( Big bucks to repair the
>>> Bosch.
>>> Graham
>>
>> A Bosch is pretty high end right? I imagine they're more expensive to
>> fix? I did buy the five year warranty on mine after a mishap the first
>> day it was installed. The door lock didn't work so it had to be
>> replaced, of course there was no charge for it, but it didn't make me
>> feel confident for the long term.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> Moderately high end. When I renovated my kitchen ~18 years ago, I wanted a
> convection oven and this was the first European style oven that was 30"
> wide to appear in this neck of the woods. In those days US makes were
> coming out with *******ised versions with a fan to circulate the air but
> the heat supplied by that stupid, exposed bottom element. I bought it on
> the name. Big mistake! In convection mode the temperature remains within a
> degree of the setting. In roast mode it swings +/- 50F!!!!!!
> It's noisy too.
> I have a Bosch dishwasher that became very noisy just after the warranty
> expired, although it still cleans well. A Bosch rep told me that they
> build them to have a 10year lifespan (Miele is 20yrs).
> Graham

My stand mixer is a Bosch.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:41:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Gas ovens will also radiate heat but what most people find unpleasant is
> > the large amount of water vapor that gets released when natural gas or
> > propane is burned. Under high humidity conditions, like 70% or 80% in
> > the tropics, this get stifling pretty fast. The water vapor condenses on
> > your skin releasing latent heat. Like they say, it ain't the heat - it's
> > the humidity.
> >
> >
> My kitchen faces west and yes, in the summer that gas stove can
> really put out the heat. Even with central air it can be
> rather uncomfortable in there. Fan sitting in the laundry room
> and directed toward the kitchen seems to help a good bit. Unless
> it is something very large I tend to use an electric countertop
> convection oven for baked items.

I grew up in an all gas kitchen in the tropics. What a hellhole! I don't
really feel the heat in my kitchen these days. The induction range makes
cooking more pleasant by not radiating heat. Thank you Jesus!

I don't like using the oven to bake single items. It seems kind of
inefficient. One of those small convection ovens would suit me just fine.
I'll use a toaster oven to bake small batches of muffins or pizza. It works
okey dokey. I figure I save maybe a quarter in electricity.

---

We had a gas stove on Cape Cod. I had constant trouble with it during the
summer. Pilot light was always going out. They said it was due to the
humidity. Stove was not user friendly as there was no way I could light it.
Had to wait for the maintenance man to come. I could light the burners with
a match. So I learned to do a lot of stuff on the burner or in the
Crock-Pot.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>>My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My
>>understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12
>>on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last
>>time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a
>>handy feature.
>
> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.

I love my self cleaning one. However, I rarely have a big mess in the oven.
Once in a while there is a mishap but mostly, none. As such, I only use the
self cleaning feature maybe once every 2-3 years. No elbow grease needed. I
like to work smarter. Not harder.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning
>> > >feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the
>> > >high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A
>> > >replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me.
>> > >That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle
>> > >on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>> >
>> > It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> > they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> > hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> > grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
>> Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make this
>> product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if it's going
>> to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of butter. Not only that
>> you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great is that?
>>
>> Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the hell
>> is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The wimmenfolk
>> need to get off their butts and get back to work instead of sitting
>> around watching the soap opery all day long!
>>
>> You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets
>> elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see
>> mister!!!
>
> We'll be living the dream.

Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>
> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.

Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
into the kitchen.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:43:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
> >>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My
> >>> understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around
> >>> $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and
> >>> last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad,
> >>> it's a handy feature.
> >>
> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >>
> > I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH oven
> > cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.
>
> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!

Typically, by the use of this product:

<http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>

Or one of its clones.

The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-07-18 11:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>
> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>

I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
and a damp rag.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:43:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning
>> >>> feature
>> >>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
>> >>> My
>> >>> understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around
>> >>> $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and
>> >>> last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too
>> >>> bad,
>> >>> it's a handy feature.
>> >>
>> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>> >>
>> > I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH oven
>> > cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.
>>
>> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
>
> Typically, by the use of this product:
>
> <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
>
> Or one of its clones.
>
> The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.

Thanks, Cindy. I wonder if he is aware of a similar Brit one.

I will have a look though at the cleaners available using sodium hydroxide.

Thanks again



-
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:

>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>
> Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
> works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
> sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
> my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
> into the kitchen.

PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
disgusting thankless chore.

Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
do with it.

nancy

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'

NaOH is the chemical formula for Sodium Hydroxide....aka lye.
Do you have google in Scotland internet?

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.

You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
year. ;-)

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> > Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
>
> Typically, by the use of this product:
>
> <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
>
> Or one of its clones.
>
> The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.

Interesting too. Cleaning an oven goes last on any list of chores to do
here. My oven is way overdue...like 15 years ago was it's last cleaning.
And back then I had put it off forever.

Finally, I did decide to clean it. Bought and used "Easy Off" and the
name is very approptiate. Once I did whatever and sprayed it on the
oven, it just wiped right off with a cloth (no scrubbing). I cleaned it
in no time and then wondered why I had waited so long.

Now it's time to buy easy-off again.

In article >, says...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2016-07-18 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
> >>> usually up through one of the top burners.
> >>>
> >> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.
> >
> > I beg to differ. I have made the mistake of leaving things on the burner
> > (turned off) with the vent and they get quite warm.
>
> Yep. It's how I get dough to rise more quickly, melt butter or coconut oil.
> I do have to be careful with the dough though as it can actually get too
> hot.

You turn on the oven, so you can use the heat from its vent to rise
dough/melt butter????

Janet UK

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>> > Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
>>
>> Typically, by the use of this product:
>>
>> <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
>>
>> Or one of its clones.
>>
>> The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.
>
> Interesting too. Cleaning an oven goes last on any list of chores to do
> here. My oven is way overdue...like 15 years ago was it's last cleaning.
> And back then I had put it off forever.
>
> Finally, I did decide to clean it. Bought and used "Easy Off" and the
> name is very approptiate. Once I did whatever and sprayed it on the
> oven, it just wiped right off with a cloth (no scrubbing). I cleaned it
> in no time and then wondered why I had waited so long.
>
> Now it's time to buy easy-off again.

I never clean ours, my husband does it The stuff he uses brings on my
asthma so I keep well away.



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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'
>
> NaOH is the chemical formula for Sodium Hydroxide....aka lye.
> Do you have google in Scotland internet?

Hmmmm I'm not sure ... I will google it .... ;p

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On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 5:06:19 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:43:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning
> >> >>> feature
> >> >>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
> >> >>> My
> >> >>> understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around
> >> >>> $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and
> >> >>> last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too
> >> >>> bad,
> >> >>> it's a handy feature.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> >> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> >> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> >> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >> >>
> >> > I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH oven
> >> > cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.
> >>
> >> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
> >
> > Typically, by the use of this product:
> >
> > <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
> >
> > Or one of its clones.
> >
> > The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.
>
> Thanks, Cindy. I wonder if he is aware of a similar Brit one.
>
> I will have a look though at the cleaners available using sodium hydroxide.
>
> Thanks again
>
>
>
> -
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I have used lye oven cleaners. It works like a dream - although some people might consider it to be a nightmare. As a guy, I reserve the right to enjoy working with highly caustic chemicals. My guess is that women don't care much for the experience. That's OK, I don't enjoy beating clothes on a rock down by the river so I guess we're even.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>
>Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>into the kitchen.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I bought my GE Profile gas range new in April 1997, it has a self
cleaning feature. I used the self clean feature once about a year
after buying it, only because I was curious to see if it functioned,
haven't used it since. I cook in the oven often but it just doesn't
get dirty, the trick is to not over fill bakeware so nothing cooks
over and use larger size roasting pans to prevent spatter, and never
use the broiler. I don't know if my stove's broiler works, I keep
meaning to turn it on just to see if it functions but I never have
because I forget, broiling is not something I do, and I'll soon have
my new Weber.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 5:06:19 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:43:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "graham" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning
>> >> >>> feature
>> >> >>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high
>> >> >>> heat.
>> >> >>> My
>> >> >>> understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was
>> >> >>> around
>> >> >>> $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too
>> >> >>> bad,
>> >> >>> it's a handy feature.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered,
>> >> >> yet
>> >> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> >> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> >> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>> >> >>
>> >> > I used to use the self clean feature but last year used the NaOH
>> >> > oven
>> >> > cleaner method and the oven had never looked so clean.
>> >>
>> >> Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
>> >
>> > Typically, by the use of this product:
>> >
>> > <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
>> >
>> > Or one of its clones.
>> >
>> > The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.
>>
>> Thanks, Cindy. I wonder if he is aware of a similar Brit one.
>>
>> I will have a look though at the cleaners available using sodium
>> hydroxide.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>
> I have used lye oven cleaners. It works like a dream - although some
> people might consider it to be a nightmare. As a guy, I reserve the right
> to enjoy working with highly caustic chemicals. My guess is that women
> don't care much for the experience. That's OK, I don't enjoy beating
> clothes on a rock down by the river so I guess we're even.

Good policy! My husband does the oven cleaning and I see to the clothes ...
shhh don't tell him I am not using a rock though ...



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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing
>> it.
>
> You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
> a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
> many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
> year. ;-)

Besides, if someone actually has to ask that question they wouldn't
understand the answer.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>> >one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
>>> >My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was
>>> >around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the
>>> >first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that
>>> >thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>
>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
>>Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>>works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>>sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>>my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>>into the kitchen.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> I bought my GE Profile gas range new in April 1997, it has a self
> cleaning feature. I used the self clean feature once about a year
> after buying it, only because I was curious to see if it functioned,
> haven't used it since. I cook in the oven often but it just doesn't
> get dirty, the trick is to not over fill bakeware so nothing cooks
> over and use larger size roasting pans to prevent spatter, and never
> use the broiler. I don't know if my stove's broiler works, I keep
> meaning to turn it on just to see if it functions but I never have
> because I forget, broiling is not something I do, and I'll soon have
> my new Weber.

LOL, never use the broiler, don't use the self clean, use certain pans etc.,
yeah sounds like you could just use a hot plate and crock pot, no need to
spend BIG.

Cheri

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:32:18 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
> > >
> > > It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> > > they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> > > hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> > > grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >
> > Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make this product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if it's going to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of butter. Not only that you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great is that?
> >
> > Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the hell is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The wimmenfolk need to get off their butts and get back to work instead of sitting around watching the soap opery all day long!
> >
> > You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see mister!!!
>
> We'll be living the dream.
>
> --
>
> sf

It'll be a hot time in the old town tonight.*

Just substitute "world" for "town" and "for the next 4 years" for "tonight."

On 7/19/2016 10:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.
>
> You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
> a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
> many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
> year. ;-)
>
Gawd help us all!

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 2016-07-18 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>> >>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>> >>>
>> >> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.
>> >
>> > I beg to differ. I have made the mistake of leaving things on the
>> > burner
>> > (turned off) with the vent and they get quite warm.
>>
>> Yep. It's how I get dough to rise more quickly, melt butter or coconut
>> oil.
>> I do have to be careful with the dough though as it can actually get too
>> hot.
>
> You turn on the oven, so you can use the heat from its vent to rise
> dough/melt butter????

No. I use it for that when it is on.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing
>> it.
>
> You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
> a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
> many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
> year. ;-)

I am thinking back and can remember times of unemployment, illness, poverty,
war, prejudice, inequality, lots of bad stuff. Maybe not bad all over but
never good for all.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>> > Ok now please explain the 'NaOH oven cleaner method'!
>>
>> Typically, by the use of this product:
>>
>> <http://www.easyoff.us/ovencleanersolutionsfinder_heavydutyovencleaner.ph p>
>>
>> Or one of its clones.
>>
>> The active ingredient is sodium hydroxide.
>
> Interesting too. Cleaning an oven goes last on any list of chores to do
> here. My oven is way overdue...like 15 years ago was it's last cleaning.
> And back then I had put it off forever.
>
> Finally, I did decide to clean it. Bought and used "Easy Off" and the
> name is very approptiate. Once I did whatever and sprayed it on the
> oven, it just wiped right off with a cloth (no scrubbing). I cleaned it
> in no time and then wondered why I had waited so long.
>
> Now it's time to buy easy-off again.

I once lived in a place with a really old gas stove. Super for cooking rice
or keeping things warm as you could get a really low flame.

My roommates and I thought the insides of the two ovens were a dull black as
that is what they were when we moved in. Then one day, the one who was a
lousy cook had a horrible accident in the oven. She threw salt on it which
will help for something small. The salt sort of absorbs the liquid and once
cooled, you can usually just carefully lift off the burned on mess. But in
this case, she got a lot more than she thought she would.

That's when we knew we had to clean the ovens. Actually took quite a couple
of days and many cans of oven cleaner. It was that bad. Turned out that the
inside was a dark blue with white specks.