"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning
>>>> >feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the
>>>> >high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A
>>>> >replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me.
>>>> >That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle
>>>> >on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>>
>>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>
>>>Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>>>works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>>>sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>>>my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>>>into the kitchen.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I bought my GE Profile gas range new in April 1997, it has a self
>> cleaning feature. I used the self clean feature once about a year
>> after buying it, only because I was curious to see if it functioned,
>> haven't used it since. I cook in the oven often but it just doesn't
>> get dirty, the trick is to not over fill bakeware so nothing cooks
>> over and use larger size roasting pans to prevent spatter, and never
>> use the broiler. I don't know if my stove's broiler works, I keep
>> meaning to turn it on just to see if it functions but I never have
>> because I forget, broiling is not something I do, and I'll soon have
>> my new Weber.
>
> LOL, never use the broiler, don't use the self clean, use certain pans
> etc., yeah sounds like you could just use a hot plate and crock pot, no
> need to spend BIG.

I don't use the broiler either as a general rule. At least with meats,
that's what makes the mess. I have used it a few times briefly to finish
something off. And I keep a couple of large, cheap lipped cookie sheets for
putting under things that might slop over. The pan is much easier to clean
than the oven and if it gets too bad, it's easily replaced.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:20:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>
> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >
> > Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
> > works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
> > sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
> > my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
> > into the kitchen.
>
> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
> disgusting thankless chore.
>
> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
> do with it.
>
He sounds like
1. Someone who never cleans his oven
2. Has someone else clean his oven

--

sf

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> LOL, never use the broiler, don't use the self clean, use certain pans etc.,
> yeah sounds like you could just use a hot plate and crock pot, no need to
> spend BIG.

He's in with the "never use your dishwasher or garbage disposal units
because they will wear out" wingers. Maybe he should turn off his
computer while he's at it, then it will always be like new.

--

sf

On 7/19/2016 12:57 PM, heyjoe wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:14:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>> "It'll be a hot time in the old town tonight."
>> Just substitute "world" for "town" and "for the next 4 years" for "tonight."
>
> <rhetorical />
> It hasn't been for the past 16 years?
>
>

The last 16 years have been just swell. We can choose to have more of
the same or we can opt for something a little more exciting. In the last
8 years, America has seen the greatest social change since the War for
States Rights (as our friends down South might say.) 2017 could be the
year we blow everything up. Everybody says "it can't happen here" but
they're going to have to eat those words.

On 7/19/2016 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:20:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
>> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
>> disgusting thankless chore.
>>
>> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
>> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
>> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
>> do with it.
>>
> He sounds like
> 1. Someone who never cleans his oven
> 2. Has someone else clean his oven

It's a nasty dirty job, I'm not afraid of work but you can
keep that oven cleaning business away from me. I only had
to do that once to decide it was a Bad Thing.

nancy

On 7/19/2016 6:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I am thinking back and can remember times of unemployment, illness,
> poverty, war, prejudice, inequality, lots of bad stuff. Maybe not bad
> all over but never good for all.

Always has been that way, probably always will be. The unemployment
rate has varied, but the other stuff much less. Hate still is rampant.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> LOL, never use the broiler, don't use the self clean, use certain pans
>> etc.,
>> yeah sounds like you could just use a hot plate and crock pot, no need to
>> spend BIG.
>
> He's in with the "never use your dishwasher or garbage disposal units
> because they will wear out" wingers. Maybe he should turn off his
> computer while he's at it, then it will always be like new.
>
> --
>
> sf

One could hope.

Cheri

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:30:35 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 7/19/2016 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:20:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
>
> >> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
> >> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
> >> disgusting thankless chore.
> >>
> >> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
> >> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
> >> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
> >> do with it.
> >>
> > He sounds like
> > 1. Someone who never cleans his oven
> > 2. Has someone else clean his oven
>
> It's a nasty dirty job, I'm not afraid of work but you can
> keep that oven cleaning business away from me. I only had
> to do that once to decide it was a Bad Thing.
>
The new oven cleaners are a lot better than the old ones were. They
work faster and they aren't stinky are the two points in their favor.
My older than dirt double wall ovens are one self-cleaning, one not -
but even the non-self cleaning one needs to be cleaned every 15-20
years, so I speak from experience.

--

sf

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:20:01 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 7/19/2016 10:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.
>>
>> You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
>> a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
>> many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
>> year. ;-)
>>
>Gawd help us all!

Don't worry, it isn't going to happen.

On 7/19/2016 3:32 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>>> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning >
>>> >feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the >
>>> >high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A >
>>> >replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask
>>> me. > >That was the first and last time that I'll use the
>>> self-cleaning cycle > >on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>> >
>>> > It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>> > they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>> > hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>> > grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>
>>> Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make
>>> this product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if
>>> it's going to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of
>>> butter. Not only that you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great
>>> is that?
>>>
>>> Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the
>>> hell is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The
>>> wimmenfolk need to get off their butts and get back to work instead
>>> of sitting around watching the soap opery all day long!
>>>
>>> You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets
>>> elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see
>>> mister!!!
>>
>> We'll be living the dream.
>
> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.

The year I was born. Your birth year, not so much.

"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/19/2016 3:32 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning >
>>>> >feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the >
>>>> >high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A >
>>>> >replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask
>>>> me. > >That was the first and last time that I'll use the
>>>> self-cleaning cycle > >on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>> >
>>>> > It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered,
>>>> > yet
>>>> > they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>>> > hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>>> > grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget about store bought butter. Good Americans used to make
>>>> this product by good old America hard work! Now everyone acts as if
>>>> it's going to kill them if that churn out a couple of pound of
>>>> butter. Not only that you get a heap of buttermilk to boot! How great
>>>> is that?
>>>>
>>>> Don't even get me started with clothes washed by machines. What the
>>>> hell is wrong with a big old rock down by the river? Nuttin! The
>>>> wimmenfolk need to get off their butts and get back to work instead
>>>> of sitting around watching the soap opery all day long!
>>>>
>>>> You can bet that things are going to be different when Trump gets
>>>> elected. He's gonna make America great again - you just wait and see
>>>> mister!!!
>>>
>>> We'll be living the dream.
>>
>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing
>> it.
>
> The year I was born. Your birth year, not so much.

What year were you born?

In article >, says...
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:20:01 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 7/19/2016 10:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Could somebody please tell me when American was great? I am not seeing it.
> >>
> >> You need to move to some other country. Not that a different one will be
> >> a good one either. You actually just need to be euthanized - way too
> >> many problems and issues. President Trump will address these issues next
> >> year. ;-)
> >>
> >Gawd help us all!
>
> Don't worry, it isn't going to happen.

Don't be too su

http://tinyurl.com/jes8n7z

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>
>Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>into the kitchen.

Looks like I'm out-voted on this one. And having read my reply, I was
also having a bit of a Sheldon moment there In your experience have
you had any break downs and is the oven really clean? Any negatives at
all?

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-18 11:23 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>
>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
>
>I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>and a damp rag.

What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:03:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, never use the broiler, don't use the self clean, use certain pans
>>> etc.,
>>> yeah sounds like you could just use a hot plate and crock pot, no need
>>> to
>>> spend BIG.
>>
>> He's in with the "never use your dishwasher or garbage disposal units
>> because they will wear out" wingers. Maybe he should turn off his
>> computer while he's at it, then it will always be like new.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> One could hope.

+1 ;p


--
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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-07-18 11:23 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
>>>> My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was
>>>> around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the
>>>> first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that
>>>> thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>
>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>
>>
>>I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>>the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>>and a damp rag.
>
> What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?

A self cleaning oven reduces everything to ash. I am thinking if he has to
vac it out, he is burning a lot off. I generally have so little, I can get
it all with a damp paper towel or two.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 3:37:18 AM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
> >>
> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >
> >Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
> >works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
> >sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
> >my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
> >into the kitchen.
>
> Looks like I'm out-voted on this one. And having read my reply, I was
> also having a bit of a Sheldon moment there In your experience have
> you had any break downs and is the oven really clean? Any negatives at
> all?

No breakdowns from using the cleaning cycle.

What's "really clean"? Not "like new", but certainly "clean enough
for me". Then again, we don't do much messy stuff in the oven.
I clean it every fall (and sometimes in the spring) so that anything
that might cause an odor is gone before winter (when we're reluctant
to open the windows to sub-freezing temperatures).

No real negatives. I move the plastic trash can away from the side
of the stove (weird kitchen layout, I know) because the outside of
the range gets a little hot after three or four hours of heating at
some ungodly high temperature.

It doesn't get the glass on the oven door particularly clean, nor
the parts of the door that are outside the insulating gasket around
the oven opening.

Still, a fire-and-forget way of getting the oven "clean enough" gets a
big, "Oh, hell yes!" from me. I can walk away and do other things
while it works.

Here's an article on some cons of using the cycle, although it seems
more geared toward electric ovens than gas (which I have):

<http://www.thekitchn.com/why-you-should-almost-never-use-the-self-cleaning-function-of-your-oven-175110>

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-07-20 3:38 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>> I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>> the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>> and a damp rag.
>
> What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
>

It is to clean up the ash from the things that got crispified in the
self clean cycle.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>> >one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
>>> >My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was
>>> >around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the
>>> >first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that
>>> >thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>
>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>
>>Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>>works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>>sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>>my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>>into the kitchen.
>
> Looks like I'm out-voted on this one. And having read my reply, I was
> also having a bit of a Sheldon moment there In your experience have
> you had any break downs and is the oven really clean? Any negatives at
> all?

IME, no breakdowns at all with the self clean feature on ovens for over 20
years, and the oven is extremely clean and just needs a quick wipe down with
a damp cloth to remove the ash residue.

Cheri

On 7/20/2016 6:49 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-07-20 3:38 AM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>>> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>>> the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>>> and a damp rag.
>>
>> What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
>>
>
> It is to clean up the ash from the things that got crispified in the
> self clean cycle.

I've never used the vacuum, myself. Just wipe it down with damp/wet
paper towels and the oven is nice clean and shiny.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-07-20 3:38 AM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
> >> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
> >> the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
> >> and a damp rag.
> >
> > What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
> >
>
> It is to clean up the ash from the things that got crispified in the
> self clean cycle.

Thinking about that....old crispified food could actually be added to
soup or something. Go as green as you possibly can?

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:49:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-20 3:38 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>>> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>>> the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>>> and a damp rag.
>>
>> What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
>>
>
>It is to clean up the ash from the things that got crispified in the
>self clean cycle.

Thanks.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:39:31 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 3:37:18 AM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat. My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>> >>
>> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>> >
>> >Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
>> >works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
>> >sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
>> >my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
>> >into the kitchen.
>>
>> Looks like I'm out-voted on this one. And having read my reply, I was
>> also having a bit of a Sheldon moment there In your experience have
>> you had any break downs and is the oven really clean? Any negatives at
>> all?
>
>No breakdowns from using the cleaning cycle.
>
>What's "really clean"? Not "like new", but certainly "clean enough
>for me". Then again, we don't do much messy stuff in the oven.

For me it would be no grease, or at least very little. No need for it
to be spotlessly clean.

>I clean it every fall (and sometimes in the spring) so that anything
>that might cause an odor is gone before winter (when we're reluctant
>to open the windows to sub-freezing temperatures).
>
>No real negatives. I move the plastic trash can away from the side
>of the stove (weird kitchen layout, I know) because the outside of
>the range gets a little hot after three or four hours of heating at
>some ungodly high temperature.
>
>It doesn't get the glass on the oven door particularly clean, nor
>the parts of the door that are outside the insulating gasket around
>the oven opening.
>
>Still, a fire-and-forget way of getting the oven "clean enough" gets a
>big, "Oh, hell yes!" from me. I can walk away and do other things
>while it works.
>
>Here's an article on some cons of using the cycle, although it seems
>more geared toward electric ovens than gas (which I have):
>
><http://www.thekitchn.com/why-you-should-almost-never-use-the-self-cleaning-function-of-your-oven-175110>
>

Thanks very much for the help Cindy, maybe you'll make a convert out
of me I see that you can get the feature in gas ovens too, which is
good because I wouldn't have an electric oven again if I could help
it.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:13:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-07-18 11:23 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My Samsung oven wouldn't turn on after I used the self-cleaning feature
>>>>> one time because the temperature sensor was damaged by the high heat.
>>>>> My understanding is that it's a common problem. A replacement was
>>>>> around $12 on eBay. That's kinda lame, if you ask me. That was the
>>>>> first and last time that I'll use the self-cleaning cycle on that
>>>>> thing. Too bad, it's a handy feature.
>>>>
>>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>>> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>>>the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>>>and a damp rag.
>>
>> What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
>
>A self cleaning oven reduces everything to ash.

Much like when I want to 'clean' the wood fire flue... just have a
really hot fire.

>I am thinking if he has to
>vac it out, he is burning a lot off. I generally have so little, I can get
>it all with a damp paper towel or two.

Yes, I imagine that would depend on your cooking habits.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:15:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-07-20 3:38 AM, Je�us wrote:
>> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:37:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >> I have never had a problem with self cleaning oven switches screwing up.
>> >> I admit to hating to clean ovens. Take out the racks, push a button,
>> >> the door locks and away she goes. Come back later with a vacuum hose
>> >> and a damp rag.
>> >
>> > What is the vacuum hose for? To pick up wet or dry stuff?
>> >
>>
>> It is to clean up the ash from the things that got crispified in the
>> self clean cycle.
>
>Thinking about that....old crispified food could actually be added to
>soup or something. Go as green as you possibly can?

Oh yum!

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>
> >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> >
> > Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
> > works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
> > sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
> > my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
> > into the kitchen.
>
> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
> disgusting thankless chore.
>
> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
> do with it.


Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven, just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her serving them a big steak dinner...

I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!

*The date was specific because at the end of the episode over the credits, Walter Cronkite did a voice - over, inviting viewers to watch the launch of "the first American to be launched into orbit", which was John Glenn on February 20th, 1962. AND John Glenn just celebrated his 95th birthday, very cool!


--
Best
Greg

On 7/21/2016 9:37 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
>> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
>> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
>> do with it.
>
>
> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early
> 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have
> the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was
> apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar
> with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush.

Holy crap, can you imagine? (laugh) For real, the house would be a
smoky mess before I'd get around to that little chore. Just spraying
it on was beyond what I was willing to do.

> The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her
oven,
> just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her
> serving them a big steak dinner...

No pressure to be perfect at all!

You see those old Candid Camera shows where people would actually
think a sneeze came through the phone? Those people probably
believed other housewives were cleaning the oven in a dress and
pearls.

> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!

I don't forget how easy I have it. And! if my husband has ring
around the collar, he doesn't look at me like it's my fault.

> *The date was specific because at the end of the episode over the
> credits, Walter Cronkite did a voice - over, inviting viewers to watch
> the launch of "the first American to be launched into orbit", which was
> John Glenn on February 20th, 1962. AND John Glenn just celebrated his
> 95th birthday, very cool!

And it wasn't all that long ago he did Dancing with the Stars!
Very cool to still be out there.

nancy

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 9:37:20 AM UTC-4, The Greatest! wrote:

> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven, just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her serving them a big steak dinner...
>
> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!

Oh, yeah. I remember cleaning my mother's oven with that stuff.
It was slavery, I tell you. Slavery. Having to help out around
the house. Jeeze!

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/21/2016 9:37 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>

>> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
>> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
>> disgusting thankless chore.
>>
>> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
>> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
>> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
>> do with it.
>
>
> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven, just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her serving them a big steak dinner...
>
> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!

I remember using that stuff. It is why we eventually bought a self
cleaning oven.

Along with self cleaning ovens, some of us self centered lazy people
have air conditioning, electric mixers and other useless appliances.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/21/2016 9:37 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
>>>>> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
>>>>> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
>>>>> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
>>>>
>
>>> PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
>>> never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
>>> disgusting thankless chore.
>>>
>>> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
>>> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
>>> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
>>> do with it.
>>
>>
>> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early 1962*
>> on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have the original
>> ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was apparently not a
>> spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar with a small brush,
>> did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The housewife - in pearls
>> and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven, just in time for her Mad
>> Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her serving them a big steak
>> dinner...
>>
>> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!
>
> I remember using that stuff. It is why we eventually bought a self
> cleaning oven.
>
> Along with self cleaning ovens, some of us self centered lazy people have
> air conditioning, electric mixers and other useless appliances.

LOL, older and wiser now for sure. I would never buy (if they even make them
anymore) a refrigerator that had to be defrosted, a wringer type washing
machine, or a non-steam iron either.

Cheri

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> And it wasn't all that long ago he did Dancing with the Stars!
> Very cool to still be out there.

Hey wait a minute! I never watch that show but do check in for a minute
or two when it's on. Are you saying that 90-something John Glenn was one
of the dancers on that show? WTH? And if so...you go, boy!

Lately I like watching "America's Got Talent."
Last night I saw/heard one of the most amazing singers.

It was the *** guy. I only say that because they made a point of it
saying how he was dissed when young. Anyway, he said he likes to sing
passionate. He did a song last night that started out very slow and low
(and a very good voice) then he got loud during the middle of the song
then finished with very low and slow again. OMG - that was such an
amazing performance and it was a VERY passionate song. Did anyone see
that? Do you remember that?

I was very surprised that no judge hit that "golden button" for him.
Luckily though, he did get accepted for the finals. I would love to have
a recording of what he sang.

On 2016-07-21 2:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Came in a glass jar
>> with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The
>> housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven,
>> just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her
>> serving them a big steak dinner...
>>
>> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!
>
> I remember using that stuff. It is why we eventually bought a self
> cleaning oven.

You probably remember a lot of products that now come in aerosol that
never used to. You are older than I am and I remember when spray
deodorant was first introduced.


> Along with self cleaning ovens, some of us self centered lazy people
> have air conditioning, electric mixers and other useless appliances.

We may need to be reminded that there are now two generations who have
learned to cook and never had to use hand cranked beaters.

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 3:37:20 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > On 7/19/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> >
> > >> It's a stupid feature. A feature which technology hasn't mastered, yet
> > >> they still successfully sell it to the public because they're so
> > >> hopelessly self-centred and monumentally lazy. Just use some elbow
> > >> grease and clean the goddamned oven by hand.
> > >
> > > Bah. I've been using self-cleaning ovens for more than 30 years. It
> > > works better than my elbow grease, since I have no tolerance for
> > > sticking my head inside an oven full of strong alkali fumes, and
> > > my asthmatic husband has no tolerance for said fumes being liberated
> > > into the kitchen.
> >
> > PLUS ONE. I've never had a self cleaning feature break, and I'm
> > never buying an oven without it, I'm not going back to that
> > disgusting thankless chore.
> >
> > Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
> > with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
> > fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
> > do with it.
>
>
> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush. The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her oven, just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her serving them a big steak dinner...
>
> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!
>
> *The date was specific because at the end of the episode over the credits, Walter Cronkite did a voice - over, inviting viewers to watch the launch of "the first American to be launched into orbit", which was John Glenn on February 20th, 1962. AND John Glenn just celebrated his 95th birthday, very cool!
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

I have used the brush-on oven cleaner back in the day. It makes sense to me.. I think that turning a highly caustic substance into an aerosol and selling it to regular folks is a very dangerous idea! It would probably be a good deal for the military and highly effective in the battlefield though. Forget pepper spray for personal protection. We need small cans of lye spray to get the job done proper!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> And it wasn't all that long ago he did Dancing with the Stars!
>> Very cool to still be out there.
>
> Hey wait a minute! I never watch that show but do check in for a minute
> or two when it's on. Are you saying that 90-something John Glenn was one
> of the dancers on that show? WTH? And if so...you go, boy!
>
> Lately I like watching "America's Got Talent."
> Last night I saw/heard one of the most amazing singers.
>
> It was the *** guy. I only say that because they made a point of it
> saying how he was dissed when young. Anyway, he said he likes to sing
> passionate. He did a song last night that started out very slow and low
> (and a very good voice) then he got loud during the middle of the song
> then finished with very low and slow again. OMG - that was such an
> amazing performance and it was a VERY passionate song. Did anyone see
> that? Do you remember that?
>
> I was very surprised that no judge hit that "golden button" for him.
> Luckily though, he did get accepted for the finals. I would love to have
> a recording of what he sang.

His name is Brian and I thought he was wonderful too. I agree that the GB
should have been hit for him.

Cheri

On 7/21/2016 2:15 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> And it wasn't all that long ago he did Dancing with the Stars!
>> Very cool to still be out there.
>
> Hey wait a minute! I never watch that show but do check in for a minute
> or two when it's on. Are you saying that 90-something John Glenn was one
> of the dancers on that show? WTH? And if so...you go, boy!

Absolutely. They often have older people on the show. Are they
going to win? No. But it's fun to see them.
>
> Lately I like watching "America's Got Talent."
> Last night I saw/heard one of the most amazing singers.
>
> It was the *** guy.

I was MEZmerized. Did you hear the silence when he finished?

> I only say that because they made a point of it
> saying how he was dissed when young.

I hope he gets over what some losers did to him in high school
pronto, because who cares about them.

> Anyway, he said he likes to sing
> passionate. He did a song last night that started out very slow and low
> (and a very good voice) then he got loud during the middle of the song
> then finished with very low and slow again. OMG - that was such an
> amazing performance and it was a VERY passionate song. Did anyone see
> that? Do you remember that?

It's a Radiohead song, it has that slow momentum thing going.
He sang the hell out of it.
>
> I was very surprised that no judge hit that "golden button" for him.
> Luckily though, he did get accepted for the finals. I would love to have
> a recording of what he sang.

They only had one, and it was for George Lopez to hit, and he did
for the Argentinian dancers already. Another compelling story.

nancy

On 7/21/2016 2:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/21/2016 9:37 AM, The Greatest! wrote:

>> original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was
>> apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on!

> I remember using that stuff. It is why we eventually bought a self
> cleaning oven.

You cleaned the oven? I mean, you probably would look cute
in heels and pearls but it's hard to picture.

I was thinking how the oven cleaner cans all seemed to say
SPRAY ON, that never made me wonder, of course it's spray on,
how else would you get it on the oven?

Now I know. With a little brush.

> Along with self cleaning ovens, some of us self centered lazy people
> have air conditioning, electric mixers and other useless appliances.

Some people even write their shopping list on a little hand held
computer. Talk about lazy.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/21/2016 9:37 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Also, I got a nice burn when I accidentally touched oven cleaner
>>> with my forearm and didn't notice. That is not the oven cleaner's
>>> fault, but you can keep that caustic stuff. I want nothing to
>>> do with it.
>>
>>
>> Nancy, I was watching an old "To Tell The Truth" episode from early
> > 1962* on some sub-channel, these are fun to watch because the have
> > the original ads. There was one for Easy - Off, and back then it was
> > apparently not a spray, but you *brushed* it on! Came in a glass jar
> > with a small brush, did not look much larger than a pastry brush.
>
> Holy crap, can you imagine? (laugh) For real, the house would be a
> smoky mess before I'd get around to that little chore. Just spraying
> it on was beyond what I was willing to do.
>
> > The housewife - in pearls and heels, natch! - smilingly cleaned her
> oven,
> > just in time for her Mad Men hubby's arrival, the ad ended with her
> > serving them a big steak dinner...
>
> No pressure to be perfect at all!
>
> You see those old Candid Camera shows where people would actually
> think a sneeze came through the phone? Those people probably
> believed other housewives were cleaning the oven in a dress and
> pearls.
>
>> I mean, *brush - on*, geez...!!!
>
> I don't forget how easy I have it. And! if my husband has ring
> around the collar, he doesn't look at me like it's my fault.

Ring around the collar???



>> *The date was specific because at the end of the episode over the
> > credits, Walter Cronkite did a voice - over, inviting viewers to watch
> > the launch of "the first American to be launched into orbit", which was
> > John Glenn on February 20th, 1962. AND John Glenn just celebrated his
> > 95th birthday, very cool!
>
> And it wasn't all that long ago he did Dancing with the Stars!
> Very cool to still be out there.
>
> nancy
>

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On 7/21/2016 3:24 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> I don't forget how easy I have it. And! if my husband has ring
>> around the collar, he doesn't look at me like it's my fault.
>
> Ring around the collar???

If you search on it, then click images, you will see examples.

When some poor man had this issue, everyone in the detergent
commercial would look at the wife like What a Loser! and she'd
blush in embarrassment.

This I saw at least into the 70s, we're not talking the 1950s.
Ridiculous.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 7/21/2016 3:24 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
> >> I don't forget how easy I have it. And! if my husband has ring
> >> around the collar, he doesn't look at me like it's my fault.
> >
> > Ring around the collar???
>
> If you search on it, then click images, you will see examples.
>
> When some poor man had this issue, everyone in the detergent
> commercial would look at the wife like What a Loser! and she'd
> blush in embarrassment.
>
> This I saw at least into the 70s, we're not talking the 1950s.
> Ridiculous.


Remember the many ads for dandruff shampoo back in the day? There were many, it's like dandruff was this terrible national disease or something. Old LIFE magazines from the 40's - 50's TONS of these ads, same later with TV. Now you rarely see dandruff shampoo advertising. Maybe it's simply that peeps simply bathe more and wash their hair more?

Laxative ads, REALLY big back in the 40's. I listen to old time radio shows, and the early 40's Tommy Dorsey Radio Show that starred a young Frank Sinatra, that was sponsored by a laxative company - and this was a pop music show for a young audience, very big in the day...guess we have better diets now or something.

--
Best
Greg

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/21/2016 3:24 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> I don't forget how easy I have it. And! if my husband has ring
>>> around the collar, he doesn't look at me like it's my fault.
>>
>> Ring around the collar???
>
> If you search on it, then click images, you will see examples.
>
> When some poor man had this issue, everyone in the detergent
> commercial would look at the wife like What a Loser! and she'd
> blush in embarrassment.
>
> This I saw at least into the 70s, we're not talking the 1950s.
> Ridiculous.

Oh! Do you mean a dirty collar?


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