On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
> lesson plans, grading, etc.

Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.

nancy

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 12:40:58 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:01:45 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > I've never encountered a problem if you ask up front to keep up with who
> > ordered what. Kind of tacky, but I understand not wanting to pay for a
> > "grazer" who won't put in their fare share of the bill.
>
> The restaurant I'm talking about won't do individual tickets for a
> group, and it doesn't have an Olive Garden type system that separates
> out orders on one bill.
>
So...don't patronize that restaurant...or make up your own itemized list amongst your group. What's so difficult about that?
====

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 8/9/2016 7:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 8/6/2016 8:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:47:50 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't buy this house and it's true, I wouldn't have. Still,
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> isn't a thing wrong with it. The roof doesn't leak, all the
>>>>>>>>> appliances
>>>>>>>>> work, the AC keeps me nice and cool in the summer. So what if I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> like the wallpaper in the kitchen? That's not important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't understand that ! So easy to remove wallpaper and replace
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> paint, not even that expensive. Doesn't even take much time. I've
>>>>>>>> done it, even when I was older than you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think about stripping wallpaper. When I walk into the
>>>>>>> kitchen
>>>>>>> I want to cook something. Stripping wallpaper and painting never
>>>>>>> crossed my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not necessarily easy to remove wallpaper. I have had some that
>>>>>> came
>>>>>> off easily and some other that did not. Not at all. And I will never
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> it up again. Looks easy but again, not always.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it matters, I'd have to pay someone to strip the wallpaper in the
>>>>> kitchen, sand the walls then prime and paint. If I was 20 years
>>>>> younger I could do it myself; I didn't suffer from vertigo when I was
>>>>> in my 30's. These days I don't do ladders. But stripping the
>>>>> wallpaper simply isn't all that important to me. There is wallpaper
>>>>> in the bathrooms, too. I don't even notice it. <shrug>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I had wallpaper on one wall in my bathroom. I sealed and sanded the
>>>> seams, painted it with primer, and then painted over it. It turned out
>>>> great and still can't see the seams. I have removed wallpaper many
>>>> years ago and it was a total nightmare. I love wallpaper, but not what
>>>> was on the bathroom wall.
>>>
>>> I looked into that when I did my kitchen but the reviews were not great.
>>> And I lived in one apartment where they did that in the bedroom. The
>>> results were hideous. They did not seal the seams and they used a flat
>>> paint. You
>>
>> Well, yeah...but you have to do it right.
>
> These people did not do a lot of things right. I had frequent roof leaks
> there too. The really sad thing was that the person who owned the building
> when I moved in was a general contractor. I would not have hired him to do
> anything for me. This is also the place where I had a baseboard heater
> overheat so much that it melted my liquor filled chocolates and my dad had
> to pick up a candy dish with pot holders. Also where a water pipe came
> loose, flooding the apartment downstairs. The smoke detector broke. And
> one of the stove burners made a sound like a Whistling Pete (firework),
> then the end of it shot a hole through my 2 Qt. Reverware pan while pasta
> was cooking, then skittered across the ceiling leaving burn marks.
> Thankfully a coworker had called me with a problem and my phone was not in
> the kitchen so I wasn't near there when it happened.

Yes, I did it myself so I know it was done right, but now I don't care to do
those things anymore, like Ed, I would sooner write a check for it.

Cheri
>

On 8/9/2016 11:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/9/2016 10:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>
>> I don't throw in money to pay for someone who had an extra appetizer or
>> a cup of soup. Separate checks or how to divide the bill is well
>> established before walking into a restaurant.

> My guidelines are simple and it does not matter who eats what or the
> cost of it.
> I pay 100%
> You pay 100%
> We split 50-50
>
> Most times it is only two couples making it simple as we've probably
> done it before.

That's how it is with me, I don't like nitpicking around the
check, oh, you had the soup, that's a dollar more than my salad.
I'll just pay or the other person will pay, or we'll split it.
I don't eat out with people whom I begrudge buying a drink or
whatever.

A work situation is harder, it's what comes of having social functions
with a bunch of people who are just random people thrown together
by employment. Maybe you've become actual friends with one or two.
In the group there's always someone who takes advantage, in my
experience, and they mess it up for everyone.

nancy

On 8/10/2016 2:21 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 23:59:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Most times it is only two couples making it simple as we've probably
>> done it before.
>
> The situation isn't a couples thing. It's a gathering of ex-coworkers
> who get together to socialize over brunch every so often.
>

Same idea. if six people eat breakfast one will have a coffee and
pastry, another will have the super omelette, everyone else will have a
$6 to $7 dish. Total it up, add 20%, divide by six.

If you are worried about paying an extra $1.30 you probably are not
enjoying the outing.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:54:22 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> I don't throw in money to pay for someone who had an extra appetizer
>> or a cup of soup. Separate checks or how to divide the bill is well
>> established before walking into a restaurant.
>
>I only understand this kind of money pinching from people who are poor.
>A cup of soup, give me a break.

In my experience it's generally poor people who are generous and it's
wealthy people who are misers/schnorers. Even as a kid delivering
newpapers, groceries, or whatever it was regular working people who
were good tippers, wealthy people would stiff me. Wealthy people are
used to having others do for them, hardworking people are much more in
touch with values and tipped well. I don't eat out anymore but when
I was still working and went out with friends we'd split the check
down the middle, didn't matter who had what, with true friends over
time it all evened out. Those who took advantage weren't friends very
long. Where I worked the whole shop would plan a holiday dinner,
usually at a local catering place, we'd all decide on menu options and
the total cost would be split evenly among all who chose to attend and
money collected in advance (which of course is indeed separate checks
but without benefit of a CPA), everyone went up to the bar and bought
their own drinks. I'd always decline going out with a group where
everyone argued over who had what when the check arrived, the
pettyness ruined the occasion... and I don't do separate checks
either, because then the miserly ingrates argue with the server in
front of the entire restaurant, which is very low class and
embarrassing... been there, seen that, will never happen again, never
separate checks. Anyone invites me to a group meal and says we're
doing separate checks, see ya.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 12:40:58 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:01:45 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I've never encountered a problem if you ask up front to keep up with who
>> > ordered what. Kind of tacky, but I understand not wanting to pay for a
>> > "grazer" who won't put in their fare share of the bill.

It's much less problematic to meet at a diner and dine at the
counter... some acquaintances would be wise to ask for separate tables
rather than separate checks.
>>
>> The restaurant I'm talking about won't do individual tickets for a
>> group, and it doesn't have an Olive Garden type system that separates
>> out orders on one bill.
>>
>So...don't patronize that restaurant...or make up your own itemized list amongst your group. What's so difficult about that?

Better they rethink being a group... people like that are not friends,
they are barely acquaintances... they'd be happier meeting at a
cafeteria, something like the Golden Corral.

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:54:22 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, says...
> >>
> >> I don't throw in money to pay for someone who had an extra appetizer
> >> or a cup of soup. Separate checks or how to divide the bill is well
> >> established before walking into a restaurant.
> >
> >I only understand this kind of money pinching from people who are poor.
> >A cup of soup, give me a break.
>
> In my experience it's generally poor people who are generous and it's
> wealthy people who are misers/schnorers.

Schnorer is now my Yiddish word of the month. It almost sounds like what
it means.

> Even as a kid delivering
> newpapers, groceries, or whatever it was regular working people who
> were good tippers, wealthy people would stiff me. Wealthy people are
> used to having others do for them, hardworking people are much more in
> touch with values and tipped well. I don't eat out anymore but when
> I was still working and went out with friends we'd split the check
> down the middle, didn't matter who had what, with true friends over
> time it all evened out.

That's it. Schnorers waste half their life counting their pennies.

> Those who took advantage weren't friends very
> long. Where I worked the whole shop would plan a holiday dinner,
> usually at a local catering place, we'd all decide on menu options and
> the total cost would be split evenly among all who chose to attend and
> money collected in advance (which of course is indeed separate checks
> but without benefit of a CPA), everyone went up to the bar and bought
> their own drinks. I'd always decline going out with a group where
> everyone argued over who had what when the check arrived, the
> pettyness ruined the occasion... and I don't do separate checks
> either, because then the miserly ingrates argue with the server in
> front of the entire restaurant, which is very low class and
> embarrassing... been there, seen that, will never happen again, never
> separate checks. Anyone invites me to a group meal and says we're
> doing separate checks, see ya.

I agree.

On 8/10/2016 3:01 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:54:22 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> I don't throw in money to pay for someone who had an extra appetizer
>>> or a cup of soup. Separate checks or how to divide the bill is well
>>> established before walking into a restaurant.
>>
>> I only understand this kind of money pinching from people who are poor.
>> A cup of soup, give me a break.
>
(sorry to piggy-back, Sheldon)

Classic Bruce snippage and useless editorializing. You don't understand
there is often *someone* in a group of co-workers eating out together
who try to take advantage? Guess you've never gone out to lunch in a
large group. Most restaurants don't have a problem with separate
checks. The people who have dined with a person who orders more food
and drinks might have a problem.

It is not difficult for a server to handle separate checks. You start
taking orders clockwise at the first chair at the table. Switch order
tickets, next order. You count the chairs and keep the tickets in that
order.

Time to pay the bill, no one is paying for something they didn't eat or
drink. No one has to try to divvy up the bill. It's simple. It's fair.

Jill

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 8:26:26 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>> >
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > >Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> My friend in TX works for a good restaurant, but... They frequently have
>> > >> her doing the catering stuff instead of working in the actual restaurant
>> > >> and she gets no tips for that.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't the teachers where you are have to go to school during the summer?
>> > >> Here they do. Perhaps not every year but every so often.
>> > >
>> > >Some do. More education = more money.
>> >
>> > Here the school district won't hire a teacher with just a BA in
>> > education, without a Masters no interview. Many of the teachers here
>> > opt to teach summer school. Many go to school at night and work
>> > towards another degree. Teachers work a short day and have lots of
>> > time off, they have plenty of time to take classes.
>>
>> <snort> short day?
>>
>> Pupils here work a short school day. Teachers here work a long day,
>> setting out their room before the first class, marking pupils work,
>> keeping records, preparing material for the next day.
>
>They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>lesson plans, grading, etc. Sheldon doesn't know what he's
>talking about.

Bullshit... I was married to a teacher for years, socialized with
many. Teachers today try to sell that ancient history bill of goods
you described but nothing is further from the truth. The hardest work
teaches have been doing for the past thirty years is meeting at their
favorite watering hole ten minutes after the 3 PM bell and hoisting
glasses up until they have to rush home and pop the family dinner in
the microwave. Teachers have free periods every day and also student
study periods to supervise/babysit, plenty of time to prepare the
little that needs any prep... for years now it's all on computer. At
home maybe one evening a week they spend ane hour grading one page
essays. Too bad yoose two are living a hundred years ago in the days
of one room school houses with one school marm who filled fourteen ink
wells. You'e talking about when I started grade school, long, LONG
before chalk boards, we had black boards.
I believe the day will arrive soon when there are no more school
buildings to support and Teacher will be an obsolete occupation,
education will all be home schooling on a screen.

On 2016-08-10 12:43 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/9/2016 11:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> A work situation is harder, it's what comes of having social functions
> with a bunch of people who are just random people thrown together
> by employment. Maybe you've become actual friends with one or two.
> In the group there's always someone who takes advantage, in my
> experience, and they mess it up for everyone.
>
Funny how that works in work group situations. There is always one who,
if he/she expects an even split, will be sure to order more or more
expensive, and expect others to subsidize them. Then there are those
who, if being expected to pay their fair share, will try to pay less.
That leaves the person handling things to make up the difference. All
the more reason for separate checks. I know it is more work for servers,
but they are the people dealing with the diners and handling the money
and what they expect a tip for.

In article >, says...
>
> On 8/10/2016 3:01 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:54:22 +1000, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> I don't throw in money to pay for someone who had an extra appetizer
> >>> or a cup of soup. Separate checks or how to divide the bill is well
> >>> established before walking into a restaurant.
> >>
> >> I only understand this kind of money pinching from people who are poor.
> >> A cup of soup, give me a break.
> >
> (sorry to piggy-back, Sheldon)
>
> Classic Bruce snippage and useless editorializing.

Thanks, I didn't know I had a classic style

> You don't understand
> there is often *someone* in a group of co-workers eating out together
> who try to take advantage?

As I said, I can understand it in a work situation, especially a
recurring one. Among friends it's different.

> Guess you've never gone out to lunch in a
> large group. Most restaurants don't have a problem with separate
> checks. The people who have dined with a person who orders more food
> and drinks might have a problem.
>
> It is not difficult for a server to handle separate checks. You start
> taking orders clockwise at the first chair at the table. Switch order
> tickets, next order. You count the chairs and keep the tickets in that
> order.

I wasn't talking from the point of view of the server.

> Time to pay the bill, no one is paying for something they didn't eat or
> drink. No one has to try to divvy up the bill. It's simple. It's fair.

If this kind of stuff worries you a lot, you should always divide the
bill.

Nancy Young wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>> lesson plans, grading, etc.
>
>Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
>like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
>them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.

Thank you, Nancy.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:22:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 8/10/2016 2:21 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 23:59:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> Most times it is only two couples making it simple as we've probably
> >> done it before.
> >
> > The situation isn't a couples thing. It's a gathering of ex-coworkers
> > who get together to socialize over brunch every so often.
> >
>
> Same idea. if six people eat breakfast one will have a coffee and
> pastry, another will have the super omelette, everyone else will have a
> $6 to $7 dish. Total it up, add 20%, divide by six.
>
> If you are worried about paying an extra $1.30 you probably are not
> enjoying the outing.

It was a hell of a lot more than $1.30.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:26:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> > >> My friend in TX works for a good restaurant, but... They frequently have
> > >> her doing the catering stuff instead of working in the actual restaurant
> > >> and she gets no tips for that.
> > >>
> > >> Don't the teachers where you are have to go to school during the summer?
> > >> Here they do. Perhaps not every year but every so often.
> > >
> > >Some do. More education = more money.
> >
> > Here the school district won't hire a teacher with just a BA in
> > education, without a Masters no interview. Many of the teachers here
> > opt to teach summer school. Many go to school at night and work
> > towards another degree. Teachers work a short day and have lots of
> > time off, they have plenty of time to take classes.
>
> <snort> short day?
>
> Pupils here work a short school day. Teachers here work a long day,
> setting out their room before the first class, marking pupils work,
> keeping records, preparing material for the next day.
>
He's out of touch with reality.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> IIRC, Michigan teachers have to take some sort of course work in the
> summer to keep their certification, although it might be that once
> they've attained a level of experience or education that is waived.

No. Continuing education is required, just like is for doctors and
nurses.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:04 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
> > lesson plans, grading, etc.
>
> Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
> like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
> them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.
>
It's not like that everywhere, especially at the elementary level. At
the upper levels, there's always more work to do than time allotted to
do it in.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:26:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>> >
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > >Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> My friend in TX works for a good restaurant, but... They frequently
>> > >> have
>> > >> her doing the catering stuff instead of working in the actual
>> > >> restaurant
>> > >> and she gets no tips for that.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't the teachers where you are have to go to school during the
>> > >> summer?
>> > >> Here they do. Perhaps not every year but every so often.
>> > >
>> > >Some do. More education = more money.
>> >
>> > Here the school district won't hire a teacher with just a BA in
>> > education, without a Masters no interview. Many of the teachers here
>> > opt to teach summer school. Many go to school at night and work
>> > towards another degree. Teachers work a short day and have lots of
>> > time off, they have plenty of time to take classes.
>>
>> <snort> short day?
>>
>> Pupils here work a short school day. Teachers here work a long day,
>> setting out their room before the first class, marking pupils work,
>> keeping records, preparing material for the next day.
>>
> He's out of touch with reality.

I suppose it depends on what they are teaching and where. I know people who
have taught a single class per day at the community college. I guess you
could call that a short day but it's not enough to live off of.

On 8/11/2016 12:05 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:04 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>>> lesson plans, grading, etc.
>>
>> Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
>> like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
>> them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.
>>
> It's not like that everywhere, especially at the elementary level. At
> the upper levels, there's always more work to do than time allotted to
> do it in.
>
My D-I-L is an elementary school teacher. She puts in long hours
especially at report card time.
Graham

On 8/11/2016 9:21 AM, graham wrote:
> On 8/11/2016 12:05 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:04 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>>>> lesson plans, grading, etc.
>>>
>>> Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
>>> like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
>>> them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.
>>>
>> It's not like that everywhere, especially at the elementary level. At
>> the upper levels, there's always more work to do than time allotted to
>> do it in.
>>
> My D-I-L is an elementary school teacher. She puts in long hours
> especially at report card time.

It was the same in my job. My hours could be excrutiating at
tax time and I was also on call 24/7.

nancy

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:21:06 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 8/11/2016 12:05 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:04 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>>>> lesson plans, grading, etc.
>>>
>>> Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
>>> like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
>>> them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.
>>>
>> It's not like that everywhere, especially at the elementary level. At
>> the upper levels, there's always more work to do than time allotted to
>> do it in.
>>
>My D-I-L is an elementary school teacher. She puts in long hours
>especially at report card time.

That's what they tell people who don't know... how long do you think
it takes to fill in say 20-30 report cards... I've seen it done many
times for 5th grade, no more than one minute each.... sometimes it's
done in the bathroom while sitting on the toilet, why waste time when
they can multi-task. I was married to a 5th grade teacher, I know
very well what their work day is like... their most difficult function
is Parent's Teacher's day, but that's only once a year and for less
hours than a regular teaching day... it's dreaded because some parents
can be undisaplined, explains why their little monster fails
everything. I hung out with lots of grade school teachers, they tend
to keep with other grade school teachers, no one else would tolerate
them... they've never had to operate in the real world, they've been
in academia all their lives, institutionalized from kindergarten till
retirement, the spoiled brats don't know anything else. Very often
their students are more intelligent.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:43:31 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/11/2016 9:21 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 8/11/2016 12:05 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:04 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/10/2016 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They do that in the U.S., too, as well as working evenings on
>>>>> lesson plans, grading, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Here teachers have sections of their day to do things
>>>> like that, they aren't booked solid all day. It's up to
>>>> them to decide if they'd rather correct papers at home.
>>>>
>>> It's not like that everywhere, especially at the elementary level. At
>>> the upper levels, there's always more work to do than time allotted to
>>> do it in.
>>>
>> My D-I-L is an elementary school teacher. She puts in long hours
>> especially at report card time.
>
>It was the same in my job. My hours could be excrutiating at
>tax time and I was also on call 24/7.
>
>nancy

I don't know what your job was but I do know that preparing taxes is a
lot more difficult and far more time consuming than filling out report
cards. It only takes about one minute to fill out a report card...
the grades and attendance are kept in a journal all along, only needs
to be transfered, and at the end a one sentence comment.

On 8/11/2016 2:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>
> I suppose it depends on what they are teaching and where. I know people
> who have taught a single class per day at the community college. I guess
> you could call that a short day but it's not enough to live off of.

Average professor wage at UCONN is $187,000. Working at that rate one
day a week is $37,000. If your spouse works or you are getting other
income, you can get by.