In article >,
says...
> I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
> the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
> your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
> and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
> feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
> about them.

It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.

This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
helicopter parents!

Janet UK

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

>
> "KenK" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Both of my swamp coolers were inexpensive. None of the ones I looked
>>> at got very good reviews and the last one I bought got very mixed
>>> ones. Those who got working ones must have gotten very lucky. Mine
>>> worked well only a very few times. I doubt that I will buy another.
>>> Unless someone manages to make one that isn't prone to problems.
>>>
>>
>> I've had good luck with all mine over the past 30 - 40 years. Never
>> bother to look them up - just buy what the installer sells. But you
>> have to tinker with them. Be sure the lines from the water
>> distributer hub through the lines to the pads ("spider") are all
>> working right. Things get plugged up, especially with very hard well
>> water like I have. Have to be sure the pump is working, that the mesh
>> water filter around pump is not plugged up. And of course that the
>> water feed to the cooler is working right and the float valve in the
>> cooler is allowing water to flow into the cooler.
>>
>> Sounds like a lot of trouble but usually there are few problems. Easy
>> to fix things yourself, no expensive A/C servicing bill.
>
> Mine were cheap portables. Nothing to install. Storing them when not
> in use was a problem though. No good place to put them.
>
>

Ah. Don't know about them. Never had one. Just one roof, the rest window
units. Been using one for some 30 - 40 years.


--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:07:08 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
> > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
> > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
> > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
> > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
> > about them.
>
> It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>
> This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
> be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
> in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
> helicopter parents!
>
I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
to do their underage drinking.

--

sf

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
> > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
> > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
> > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
> > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
> > about them.
>
> It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>
> This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
> be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
> in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
> helicopter parents!
>
> Janet UK

Jackass! Nothing wrong with what Julie is doing (I agree with sf). Maybe
you should back off on cutting people down and try to improve your own
worthless life. You appear to be unhappy so you get your jollies by
critisizing other peoples lives. I'm not impressed. Now go ahead and
retort by telling me how I'm such a loser. lol.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
>> > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
>> > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
>> > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
>> > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
>> > about them.
>>
>> It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>>
>> This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
>> be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
>> in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
>> helicopter parents!
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Jackass! Nothing wrong with what Julie is doing (I agree with sf). Maybe
> you should back off on cutting people down and try to improve your own
> worthless life. You appear to be unhappy so you get your jollies by
> critisizing other peoples lives. I'm not impressed. Now go ahead and
> retort by telling me how I'm such a loser. lol.

You and me both! It is the only way she can get any jollies. She seems to
need to put others down to make herself feel important.




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> says...
>> I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
>> the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
>> your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
>> and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
>> feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
>> about them.
>
> It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>
> This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
> be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
> in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
> helicopter parents!
>
> Janet UK

Not all of them have left high school. My daughter did graduate and so did a
few others. The others have not.

I am not a helicopter parent and I am not supervising. But it is a place
where they can go and not spend any money because really most of them have
no money. My daughter was working at a restaurant but she quit and I agreed
that she should. Why? They kept putting her on the schedule. She'd get
dressed, drive to work, only to have them tell her that she wasn't needed
that day. When she tried to call ahead of time to see if she was needed,
they told her that she wasn't allowed to call them. Or on the few occasions
that she did work, they'd tell her that she had to stay late but wouldn't
allow her to call and tell us this. This of course left her dad and I
wondering where she was. The only thing we could do was drive there and see
if her car was outside. He did call once to see if she was still there and
she got in trouble for him calling.

It wasn't just her that they did this to. Many of her friends were employed
by this place as well. Worse still, the manager was constantly recruiting
people via FB, saying they were desperate for help. They weren't. They had
over a dozen people trained to work who never got any work after the
training period was over. Meanwhile, the same few people who had been there
for a while were getting all of the hours.

I could probably write a novel of things that were wrong with this place,
right down to having no recipes. They served ice cream treats that were
their own recipe and yet they expected the new employees to just know what
to put in them and how to make them. These things came in different sizes so
the poor workers had no clue if they were putting the right amount of
ingredients in or in the case of the ones with multiple ingredients, if they
were even using the right ingredients. Manager said they should just know
what was in there because... Hadn't they eaten them before? Anyway... She is
no longer working there.

And the summer job she had applied for didn't work out. This one would have
been perfect for her based on the job description. But when she arrived for
the interview, the woman threw a ton of other stuff in there that would have
included her caring for far more people than her own daughter and driving
them to a variety of places, far away. Worse still, the woman kept stringing
her along. Giving her a vague date for the interview, then canceling and
putting it off. She did this for about a month. And things she said at the
interview were not adding up so... I was rather relieved.

Most of these teens aren't going to be here for long anyway. They're almost
all moving away and far enough away that we likely won't see them often.
Especially since most have no vehicle and there is no bus service here.

"KenK" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Both of my swamp coolers were inexpensive. None of the ones I looked
>>>> at got very good reviews and the last one I bought got very mixed
>>>> ones. Those who got working ones must have gotten very lucky. Mine
>>>> worked well only a very few times. I doubt that I will buy another.
>>>> Unless someone manages to make one that isn't prone to problems.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've had good luck with all mine over the past 30 - 40 years. Never
>>> bother to look them up - just buy what the installer sells. But you
>>> have to tinker with them. Be sure the lines from the water
>>> distributer hub through the lines to the pads ("spider") are all
>>> working right. Things get plugged up, especially with very hard well
>>> water like I have. Have to be sure the pump is working, that the mesh
>>> water filter around pump is not plugged up. And of course that the
>>> water feed to the cooler is working right and the float valve in the
>>> cooler is allowing water to flow into the cooler.
>>>
>>> Sounds like a lot of trouble but usually there are few problems. Easy
>>> to fix things yourself, no expensive A/C servicing bill.
>>
>> Mine were cheap portables. Nothing to install. Storing them when not
>> in use was a problem though. No good place to put them.
>>
>>
>
> Ah. Don't know about them. Never had one. Just one roof, the rest window
> units. Been using one for some 30 - 40 years.

Oh! I don't know about those although I have read that the roof ones are
common in businesses here.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:07:08 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
>> > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
>> > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
>> > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
>> > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
>> > about them.
>>
>> It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>>
>> This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
>> be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
>> in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
>> helicopter parents!
>>
> I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> to do their underage drinking.

There really isn't much. When I was a teen there was an underage club in
Seattle but it was like a MLM type thing in the sense that you couldn't get
in unless you knew someone to recommend you. You had to have a membership
card and then still pay a cover fee each time. My friends and I only went
there once as we sensed that there was something shady about the place.

Movies are extremely expensive. I set a bunch of people off laughing when I
paid for two tickets to a 3D show. Said that it had better be a good show as
I could get a Mexican meal for that price! And that was just the tickets. I
still had to buy refreshments which were also very expensive.

There are fewer bowling alleys than there used to be. And often if you do
want to bowl, you can't because they have leagues going.

There are a few swimming pools but they have set times for various things.
Sometimes only for adults and some of these kids are not 18 yet. Sometimes
for families or parents and toddlers.

There are parks but more and more those are becoming drug infested places
where you don't want to be.

There are a few malls but there aren't any really good places to just hang
out there. You'll drive around forever looking for parking and then once
inside, you're bound to find something you want to buy. Plus shop owners
don't really want non-buying teens hanging out in there.

Going out to eat does cost money. She does have a lot of Starbucks gift
cards so that is one option but many of them have no indoor seating or so
little seating that it would be difficult to sit in there.

My high school and college hangout was Denny's but they seem to no longer
allow people to sit there for hours on end having little more than endless
cups of coffee. In those days we had three 24 hour restaurants very close
together and we'd go from place to place, occasionally going to a few others
so we didn't wear out our welcome in any one place.

The beach is hard to go to as well. They tend to be crowded on nice days and
there is no place to park. And then you are stuck out in the sun. That's not
an option for some who have to avoid the sun.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> The beach is hard to go to as well. They tend to be crowded on nice days and
> there is no place to park. And then you are stuck out in the sun. That's not
> an option for some who have to avoid the sun.

And bonfires aren't allowed at night, at least where I live.... so
that leaves the backyard fire pit.

--

sf

On 2016-07-26 6:11 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The beach is hard to go to as well. They tend to be crowded on nice days and
>> there is no place to park. And then you are stuck out in the sun. That's not
>> an option for some who have to avoid the sun.
>
> And bonfires aren't allowed at night, at least where I live.... so
> that leaves the backyard fire pit.
>


It has been so dry around here that even fire pits are not allowed. We
had not had any real rain since April 30. We finally saw some rain
yesterday, and the forecast is for rain for the weekend, but over the
last few months we had lots of forecasts for rain that never
materialized. I was starting to wonder if there was any science behind
the forecasts or if they were just playing the odds.

On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>
>> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are mild and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent. Hmmmm, the possibilities abound.
>
> I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
fireplace. <shrug>

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:07:08 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
> > > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
> > > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
> > > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
> > > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
> > > about them.
> >
> > It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
> >
> > This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
> > be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
> > in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
> > helicopter parents!
> >
> I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> to do their underage drinking.

By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.

Janet UK

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:


> More recently, the teens asked if they could use it as a hangout.
> Husband agreed to let them do this. I did buy some cheap curtains and
> a few things that they chose from Big Lots. But mostly they are
> making use of things that we already have. So it isn't costing me
> much to let them use it. I even offered to get them a fridge but they
> didn't want one.
>
> It is next to the fire pit, so if it starts raining when they are out
> there, they can duck inside the building.

I like that idea. A simple hangout spot that costs nothing and yet
away from the parents. Boom box, maybe practice rapping with no parents
to get in the way (or whatever else they wanna do).

On the floor, I assume it's on a cement pad? (structures of that size
normally are). 20x20 or so for 400feet. On flooring, for a simple
hangout if the floor stays dry, you can let them have fun painting with
artwork in multiple colors (later if repurposed, paint dark brown
overall and can antique a light color over). Area rugs. If it gets
damp, use indoor outdoor carpet and they have some very nice ones now.
Quite inexpensive and you can roll it out yourself so don't need to pay
anyone.

Can I dream a little as if I had that spot? First Don would make it
into a work room but let me dream something else!

I'd insulate then put up paneling (cheap and easy) and then paint the
floor brown and let my kid decorate it with pokemon around the edges
and put in some indoor/outdoor carpet. Ceiling fan with lights and a
portble AC unit for summer and some portable heater for winter. Cast
off sofa from freecycle (maybe 2 in that space), coffee table
(refinished from a freecycle offer), a mini-fridge, a 32 inch TV and
DVD player, something that played music, and curtin off a section for a
portable toilet and think about a mini-kitchen (no sink, just take that
inside at need to wash).

Smile, could be a mini-home for my daughter if she married and they
needed a place to stay until stable. Not perfect, but could be worked
with.


--

In article >, says...
>
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and now
> > > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
> > > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her friends
> > > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
> > > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
> > > about them.
> >
> > It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
> >
> > This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
> > be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be corraled
> > in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
> > helicopter parents!
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Jackass! Nothing wrong with what Julie is doing (I agree with sf). Maybe
> you should back off on cutting people down and try to improve your own
> worthless life. You appear to be unhappy so you get your jollies by
> critisizing other peoples lives.

Oh here we go again, more second hand Gary gabble. First
spineless Gary decides which second hand opinion bandwagon to jump
aboard, then he struts around telling other people they can't express
their own opinion.

Nancy got your number when she told you if you wanted an opinion
just ask and she'll tell you what to think.

Janet

Janet UK

On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
>>
>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
>
> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.

I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100 degrees
in my house.

Jill

jmcquown > wrote:
> On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>>
>>> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An
>>> old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month
>>> rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are
>>> mild and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent.
>>> Hmmmm, the possibilities abound.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
> fireplace. <shrug>
>
> Jill
>

I'm guessing by "fireplace" she means "wood stove". They're not an
uncommon shed find in my part of the world. My grandfather had one in his.

--
jinx the minx

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The beach is hard to go to as well. They tend to be crowded on nice days
>> and
>> there is no place to park. And then you are stuck out in the sun. That's
>> not
>> an option for some who have to avoid the sun.
>
> And bonfires aren't allowed at night, at least where I live.... so
> that leaves the backyard fire pit.

Yeah. The beaches and parks here close at dusk. I think the mall closes at
9:00. We don't even have any 24 hour places near here any more except
perhaps for one grocery store. It was 24 hours for a time but there were so
many stabbings, shootings and robberies there at night, I'll bet they're not
now. Walmart isn't any more either.

Rather they come here than someone else's house where the people have to get
up and go to work. They're not disturbing anyone here.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-07-26 6:11 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The beach is hard to go to as well. They tend to be crowded on nice days
>>> and
>>> there is no place to park. And then you are stuck out in the sun. That's
>>> not
>>> an option for some who have to avoid the sun.
>>
>> And bonfires aren't allowed at night, at least where I live.... so
>> that leaves the backyard fire pit.
>>
>
>
> It has been so dry around here that even fire pits are not allowed. We had
> not had any real rain since April 30. We finally saw some rain yesterday,
> and the forecast is for rain for the weekend, but over the last few months
> we had lots of forecasts for rain that never materialized. I was starting
> to wonder if there was any science behind the forecasts or if they were
> just playing the odds.

No current burn ban here but it sure has been dry. We had little spits of
rain now and then but nothing much to speak of.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>>
>>> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An
>>> old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month
>>> rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are mild
>>> and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent. Hmmmm, the
>>> possibilities abound.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
> fireplace. <shrug>

Yes. Or a phone line or heater. It's also 400 sq. feet. We do have a garden
shed at the side of the house.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>>>
>>>> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An
>>>> old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month
>>>> rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are
>>>> mild and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent.
>>>> Hmmmm, the possibilities abound.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
>> fireplace. <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> I'm guessing by "fireplace" she means "wood stove". They're not an
> uncommon shed find in my part of the world. My grandfather had one in
> his.

No. I mean fireplace. And they're not common here. It doesn't get that cold.
There's a heater in there as well. And lights. And a phone line. Our shed
does have a light but none of those other things.

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:07:08 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> > > I don't care what others are saying about your fire pit, deck, and
>> > > now
>> > > the shack in back... I think it's great that you're doing this for
>> > > your daughter. It's a safe place for her to hang out with her
>> > > friends
>> > > and you can keep an eye on them from inside the house. They won't
>> > > feel like they're right under your nose and you won't be worrying
>> > > about them.
>> >
>> > It would be a great set up for 10 yr olds.
>> >
>> > This lot have left High school and are young adults. By 18 they SHOULD
>> > be hanging out without parental supervision, and not need to be
>> > corraled
>> > in the back yard where Mummy can keep an eye on them. Talk about
>> > helicopter parents!
>> >
>> I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
>> is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
>> drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
>> with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
>> to do their underage drinking.
>
> By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
> their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
> summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
> making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
> underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
> highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.
>
> Janet UK

But we're not there, are we? And they're not all school leavers. As I said,
quite a few will be returning to HS next year.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>> More recently, the teens asked if they could use it as a hangout.
>> Husband agreed to let them do this. I did buy some cheap curtains and
>> a few things that they chose from Big Lots. But mostly they are
>> making use of things that we already have. So it isn't costing me
>> much to let them use it. I even offered to get them a fridge but they
>> didn't want one.
>>
>> It is next to the fire pit, so if it starts raining when they are out
>> there, they can duck inside the building.
>
> I like that idea. A simple hangout spot that costs nothing and yet
> away from the parents. Boom box, maybe practice rapping with no parents
> to get in the way (or whatever else they wanna do).
>
> On the floor, I assume it's on a cement pad? (structures of that size
> normally are). 20x20 or so for 400feet. On flooring, for a simple
> hangout if the floor stays dry, you can let them have fun painting with
> artwork in multiple colors (later if repurposed, paint dark brown
> overall and can antique a light color over). Area rugs. If it gets
> damp, use indoor outdoor carpet and they have some very nice ones now.
> Quite inexpensive and you can roll it out yourself so don't need to pay
> anyone.

They do have area rugs. I offered to buy something bigger but they preferred
to make do with what we had. I did buy some new area rugs for her room so
they took the old ones and put them back there.
>
> Can I dream a little as if I had that spot? First Don would make it
> into a work room but let me dream something else!
>
> I'd insulate then put up paneling (cheap and easy) and then paint the
> floor brown and let my kid decorate it with pokemon around the edges
> and put in some indoor/outdoor carpet. Ceiling fan with lights and a
> portble AC unit for summer and some portable heater for winter. Cast
> off sofa from freecycle (maybe 2 in that space), coffee table
> (refinished from a freecycle offer), a mini-fridge, a 32 inch TV and
> DVD player, something that played music, and curtin off a section for a
> portable toilet and think about a mini-kitchen (no sink, just take that
> inside at need to wash).

Beadboard had been suggested for the walls. I did get her a radio for her
birthday that I had hoped would match the color scheme but it doesn't quite.
I didn't want to spend a lot of money on that as they seem not to use such
things much. Mostly they get songs on their phones. I don't know about TV
back there either as we can't get it without cable and there's no cable back
there. We did agree that it wouldn't be a good idea to put upholstered
furntire in there given the many spiders that get in there. Handyman said
once it is fully finished inside with insulation and walls (if it ever is),
that problem will greatly lessen. So they are using a chair that I got at a
restaurant supply place many years ago. It's a gold glitter vinyl, 50's
restaurant style, some old computer chairs and lawn furniture.
>
> Smile, could be a mini-home for my daughter if she married and they
> needed a place to stay until stable. Not perfect, but could be worked
> with.

Yeah. It does have possibilities and due to the shape, it would be very easy
to curtain off or put up screens or something to have one section for
storage. There is also a loft above for storage but we don't use that any
more. Too dangerous to access it I think.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
>>>
>>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
>>
>> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.
>
> I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100 degrees in
> my house.

I presume that you live in an area with high summer humidity? For the most
part, we only have high humidity when it is colder. Say, 50 degrees or less.
As the temp. rises, the humidity tends to go down. Right now it is 83 in the
house with 40% humidity.

In article >,
says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> > is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> > drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> > with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> > to do their underage drinking.
>
> By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
> their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
> summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
> making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
> underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
> highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.

Isn't it a wonderful land.

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >,
says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> > is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> > drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> > with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> > to do their underage drinking.
>
> By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
> their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
> summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
> making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
> underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
> highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.

Isn't it a wonderful land.

-------------------------

Hmm that is a matter of opinion. but then Janet lives in a perfect land
living her perfect life as you well know)



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In article >,
says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> > > is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> > > drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> > > with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> > > to do their underage drinking.
> >
> > By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
> > their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
> > summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
> > making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
> > underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
> > highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.
>
> Isn't it a wonderful land.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Hmm that is a matter of opinion. but then Janet lives in a perfect land
> living her perfect life as you well know)

Yes, I had never even heard of 18 yr old school leavers who are into
"free alternatives to underage drinking" before.

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >,
says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > I don't know what kids do for entertainment where you are, but there
> > > is very little that's free out here - and that leaves underage
> > > drinking. If a firepit can keep them entertained and happy, I'm fine
> > > with them working on their verbal skills. They can go off to college
> > > to do their underage drinking.
> >
> > By that age most 18 yr old school leavers here are eager to spread
> > their wings and responsible enough to leave the nest, and/or get a
> > summer job to earn some money. Living on an island they've grown up
> > making their own entertainment with plenty of free alternatives to
> > underage drinking; playing sports and music, holding dances, and some
> > highly inventive and successful charity fund raising.
>
> Isn't it a wonderful land.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Hmm that is a matter of opinion. but then Janet lives in a perfect land
> living her perfect life as you well know)

Yes, I had never even heard of 18 yr old school leavers who are into
"free alternatives to underage drinking" before.
-------------------------------------------

We are just not up with the perfect! I suppose I shouldn't be happy, but
.... ;-)






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On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 8:07:11 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
> >
> >> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are mild and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent. Hmmmm, the possibilities abound.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
> fireplace. <shrug>

I posted that before I read down to her description.

In any event, every time she writes "back house", my mind irresistibly
associates to "outhouse", even though I know that's not what it is.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/27/2016 1:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
>>>>
>>>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
>>>
>>> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.
>>
>> I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100
>> degrees in my house.
>
> I presume that you live in an area with high summer humidity? For the
> most part, we only have high humidity when it is colder. Say, 50 degrees
> or less. As the temp. rises, the humidity tends to go down. Right now it
> is 83 in the house with 40% humidity.

You presume correctly. I live in an area where 40% humidity in the
*winter* is about average. Right now it's ONLY 83°F outside but the
humidity is 73%. Step outside and it feels like someone wrapped a hot
wet towel around you. Not at all comfortable.

Jill

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:58:36 -0500, jinx the minx
> wrote:

>jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 7/26/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
>>>
>>>> A "back house", you have out back? What pray tell is this building? An
>>>> old residence perhaps? Do you rent it out? I'm looking for a six-month
>>>> rental come winter...perhaps we could make a deal. Your winters are
>>>> mild and ours aren't. I could even fix it up for part of the rent.
>>>> Hmmmm, the possibilities abound.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure most people would refer to it as a "shed".
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> She says it has a fireplace. I've never heard of a "shed" that has a
>> fireplace. <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
>I'm guessing by "fireplace" she means "wood stove". They're not an
>uncommon shed find in my part of the world. My grandfather had one in his.

Heated sheds are very common in upstate NY, I have one with three heat
sources, oil, propane, and electric, however as of last week the oil
fired furnace was removed and soon so will the 275 gallon oil tank.
Many sheds and rooms within barns are heated with small woodstoves.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 9:22:45 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 7/27/2016 1:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
> >>>
> >>> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.
> >>
> >> I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100
> >> degrees in my house.
> >
> > I presume that you live in an area with high summer humidity? For the
> > most part, we only have high humidity when it is colder. Say, 50 degrees
> > or less. As the temp. rises, the humidity tends to go down. Right now it
> > is 83 in the house with 40% humidity.
>
> You presume correctly. I live in an area where 40% humidity in the
> *winter* is about average. Right now it's ONLY 83°F outside but the
> humidity is 73%. Step outside and it feels like someone wrapped a hot
> wet towel around you. Not at all comfortable.

It's not nearly as bad here in Michigan, but I consider anything below
50% to be a nice, dry day. Right now the temp and humidity are
both about 72, but by 11 am the temp will be 85 F and the humidity
48%. It's shaping up to be a pleasant day, even though it's supposed
to hit 90. Tomorrow, not so much. For those of you who think in
those terms (as I understand desert-dwellers tend to), the dew point
will be hovering between 60 and 65 F for the foreseeable future.

Cindy Hamilton

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/27/2016 1:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.
>>>
>>> I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100
>>> degrees in my house.
>>
>> I presume that you live in an area with high summer humidity? For the
>> most part, we only have high humidity when it is colder. Say, 50 degrees
>> or less. As the temp. rises, the humidity tends to go down. Right now it
>> is 83 in the house with 40% humidity.
>
> You presume correctly. I live in an area where 40% humidity in the
> *winter* is about average. Right now it's ONLY 83°F outside but the
> humidity is 73%. Step outside and it feels like someone wrapped a hot wet
> towel around you. Not at all comfortable.
>
> Jill

Yesterday it was around 108 where I am, but thankfully the humidity is low,
still hot as Hell though and supposed to be that way for several more days.

Cheri

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/27/2016 1:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 7/24/2016 1:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Works well here too. The added moisture in the air is refreshing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Moisture is not refreshing when it's 100 degrees in the house.
> >>>
> >>> Yes it is! I don't like dried out skin and eyes.
> >>
> >> I don't have dried out skin and eyes. Then again, it's not 100
> >> degrees in my house.
> >
> > I presume that you live in an area with high summer humidity? For the
> > most part, we only have high humidity when it is colder. Say, 50 degrees
> > or less. As the temp. rises, the humidity tends to go down. Right now it
> > is 83 in the house with 40% humidity.
>
> You presume correctly. I live in an area where 40% humidity in the
> *winter* is about average. Right now it's ONLY 83°F outside but the
> humidity is 73%. Step outside and it feels like someone wrapped a hot
> wet towel around you. Not at all comfortable.

I'm working outside in this heat wave. Morning temps in the 80's and
humidity about the same. Also absolutely no wind and that's the worst
part. Then temps rising to the mid-90's and heat index lately often
110 F or so. It's not a fun life. You walk out in this to your car is
one thing. Try working outside in it for hours. We start early and
leave by 11am. I hate to quit that early but that's survival.

Cheri wrote:
>
> Yesterday it was around 108 where I am, but thankfully the humidity is low,
> still hot as Hell though and supposed to be that way for several more days.
>

So extremely miserable here, way worse than normal. And I'm working
outside in it. dammit@

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:30:15 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> Yesterday it was around 108 where I am, but thankfully the humidity is low,
> still hot as Hell though and supposed to be that way for several more days.
>
I got the call from PG&E - tomorrow is the 3rd Smart Day in a row.
I'm doing my part (expected high of 71°) so you guys can use your air
conditioners! Have you ever considered solar panels?

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sf

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:47:38 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> I'm working outside in this heat wave. Morning temps in the 80's and
> humidity about the same. Also absolutely no wind and that's the worst
> part. Then temps rising to the mid-90's and heat index lately often
> 110 F or so. It's not a fun life. You walk out in this to your car is
> one thing. Try working outside in it for hours. We start early and
> leave by 11am. I hate to quit that early but that's survival.

I feel for anyone who has to work outside on those ungodly hot days...
roofers, asphalt, farm workers - none of it is easy, especially in the
heat.

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sf

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday it was around 108 where I am, but thankfully the humidity is
>> low,
>> still hot as Hell though and supposed to be that way for several more
>> days.
>>
>
> So extremely miserable here, way worse than normal. And I'm working
> outside in it. dammit@

I'm very sorry to hear that Gary, you aren't old, but you're not a real
young man either, and that heat can definitely kill people of all ages when
doing that kind of work. The roofers and outside painters have a miserable
time of it at times, but at least the roofers aren't allowed on the roofs in
that kind of heat around here, dunno about the painters.

Cheri

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >
> > > More recently, the teens asked if they could use it as a hangout.
> > > Husband agreed to let them do this. I did buy some cheap curtains
> > > and a few things that they chose from Big Lots. But mostly they
> > > are making use of things that we already have. So it isn't
> > > costing me much to let them use it. I even offered to get them a
> > > fridge but they didn't want one.
> > >
> > > It is next to the fire pit, so if it starts raining when they are
> > > out there, they can duck inside the building.
> >
> > I like that idea. A simple hangout spot that costs nothing and yet
> > away from the parents. Boom box, maybe practice rapping with no
> > parents to get in the way (or whatever else they wanna do).
> >
> > On the floor, I assume it's on a cement pad? (structures of that
> > size normally are). 20x20 or so for 400feet. On flooring, for a
> > simple hangout if the floor stays dry, you can let them have fun
> > painting with artwork in multiple colors (later if repurposed,
> > paint dark brown overall and can antique a light color over). Area
> > rugs. If it gets damp, use indoor outdoor carpet and they have
> > some very nice ones now. Quite inexpensive and you can roll it out
> > yourself so don't need to pay anyone.
>
> They do have area rugs. I offered to buy something bigger but they
> preferred to make do with what we had. I did buy some new area rugs
> for her room so they took the old ones and put them back there.

Works for me! This need not be fancy.

> > Can I dream a little as if I had that spot? First Don would make it
> > into a work room but let me dream something else!
> >
> > I'd insulate then put up paneling (cheap and easy) and then paint
> > the floor brown and let my kid decorate it with pokemon around the
> > edges and put in some indoor/outdoor carpet. Ceiling fan with
> > lights and a portble AC unit for summer and some portable heater
> > for winter. Cast off sofa from freecycle (maybe 2 in that space),
> > coffee table (refinished from a freecycle offer), a mini-fridge, a
> > 32 inch TV and DVD player, something that played music, and curtin
> > off a section for a portable toilet and think about a mini-kitchen
> > (no sink, just take that inside at need to wash).
>
> Beadboard had been suggested for the walls. I did get her a radio for
> her birthday that I had hoped would match the color scheme but it
> doesn't quite. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on that as they
> seem not to use such things much. Mostly they get songs on their
> phones. I don't know about TV back there either as we can't get it
> without cable and there's no cable back there. We did agree that it
> wouldn't be a good idea to put upholstered furntire in there given
> the many spiders that get in there. Handyman said once it is fully
> finished inside with insulation and walls (if it ever is), that
> problem will greatly lessen. So they are using a chair that I got at
> a restaurant supply place many years ago. It's a gold glitter vinyl,
> 50's restaurant style, some old computer chairs and lawn furniture.

I'd add a regular TV and a DVD player (can be gotten for 50$ or less)
but not string cable TV out there. Costs too much most of the time to
add another outlet.

Handyman is right that once it's sealed, spider issues vanish or reduce
a lot.


> > Smile, could be a mini-home for my daughter if she married and they
> > needed a place to stay until stable. Not perfect, but could be
> > worked with.
>
> Yeah. It does have possibilities and due to the shape, it would be
> very easy to curtain off or put up screens or something to have one
> section for storage. There is also a loft above for storage but we
> don't use that any more. Too dangerous to access it I think.

Curtin or section off very easy with a 400sqft spot. I once lived in an
8x50ft trailer. It had a livingroom, kitchen, bathroom, and a master
bedroom and a tiny bedroom. 400sqft.

I also lived in an attic loft once (college years) that was usable
space of 400sqft but I used the edges with tension rods to hang fabric
storage areas behind it. I built out a closet with cloth and tension
rods to the beams then used fishing line to drop a rod and hang clothes
there.




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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >
>> > > More recently, the teens asked if they could use it as a hangout.
>> > > Husband agreed to let them do this. I did buy some cheap curtains
>> > > and a few things that they chose from Big Lots. But mostly they
>> > > are making use of things that we already have. So it isn't
>> > > costing me much to let them use it. I even offered to get them a
>> > > fridge but they didn't want one.
>> > >
>> > > It is next to the fire pit, so if it starts raining when they are
>> > > out there, they can duck inside the building.
>> >
>> > I like that idea. A simple hangout spot that costs nothing and yet
>> > away from the parents. Boom box, maybe practice rapping with no
>> > parents to get in the way (or whatever else they wanna do).
>> >
>> > On the floor, I assume it's on a cement pad? (structures of that
>> > size normally are). 20x20 or so for 400feet. On flooring, for a
>> > simple hangout if the floor stays dry, you can let them have fun
>> > painting with artwork in multiple colors (later if repurposed,
>> > paint dark brown overall and can antique a light color over). Area
>> > rugs. If it gets damp, use indoor outdoor carpet and they have
>> > some very nice ones now. Quite inexpensive and you can roll it out
>> > yourself so don't need to pay anyone.
>>
>> They do have area rugs. I offered to buy something bigger but they
>> preferred to make do with what we had. I did buy some new area rugs
>> for her room so they took the old ones and put them back there.
>
> Works for me! This need not be fancy.
>
>> > Can I dream a little as if I had that spot? First Don would make it
>> > into a work room but let me dream something else!
>> >
>> > I'd insulate then put up paneling (cheap and easy) and then paint
>> > the floor brown and let my kid decorate it with pokemon around the
>> > edges and put in some indoor/outdoor carpet. Ceiling fan with
>> > lights and a portble AC unit for summer and some portable heater
>> > for winter. Cast off sofa from freecycle (maybe 2 in that space),
>> > coffee table (refinished from a freecycle offer), a mini-fridge, a
>> > 32 inch TV and DVD player, something that played music, and curtin
>> > off a section for a portable toilet and think about a mini-kitchen
>> > (no sink, just take that inside at need to wash).
>>
>> Beadboard had been suggested for the walls. I did get her a radio for
>> her birthday that I had hoped would match the color scheme but it
>> doesn't quite. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on that as they
>> seem not to use such things much. Mostly they get songs on their
>> phones. I don't know about TV back there either as we can't get it
>> without cable and there's no cable back there. We did agree that it
>> wouldn't be a good idea to put upholstered furntire in there given
>> the many spiders that get in there. Handyman said once it is fully
>> finished inside with insulation and walls (if it ever is), that
>> problem will greatly lessen. So they are using a chair that I got at
>> a restaurant supply place many years ago. It's a gold glitter vinyl,
>> 50's restaurant style, some old computer chairs and lawn furniture.
>
> I'd add a regular TV and a DVD player (can be gotten for 50$ or less)
> but not string cable TV out there. Costs too much most of the time to
> add another outlet.

I'm not sure what you'd do with a DVD player. I don't even think we have one
that works. We don't use DVDs. I was given a couple as gifts but I gave them
away. I have no interest.
>
> Handyman is right that once it's sealed, spider issues vanish or reduce
> a lot.
>
>
>> > Smile, could be a mini-home for my daughter if she married and they
>> > needed a place to stay until stable. Not perfect, but could be
>> > worked with.
>>
>> Yeah. It does have possibilities and due to the shape, it would be
>> very easy to curtain off or put up screens or something to have one
>> section for storage. There is also a loft above for storage but we
>> don't use that any more. Too dangerous to access it I think.
>
> Curtin or section off very easy with a 400sqft spot. I once lived in an
> 8x50ft trailer. It had a livingroom, kitchen, bathroom, and a master
> bedroom and a tiny bedroom. 400sqft.
>
> I also lived in an attic loft once (college years) that was usable
> space of 400sqft but I used the edges with tension rods to hang fabric
> storage areas behind it. I built out a closet with cloth and tension
> rods to the beams then used fishing line to drop a rod and hang clothes
> there.
>
>
>
>
> --
>

On 7/22/2016 11:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Apparently Washington state is the only state that escaped the high heat
> today. Except perhaps for downtown Bothell where sadly, much of it was
> lost in the wee hours to fire. The owner of a fairly new restaurant that
> serves food and sells board games said that he reported something around
> 2:30 a.m. They are open until midnight and he was closing up to go home.
> Said he smelled smoke but at first, nobody could find the source.
>
> We still don't know the particulars except that it wiped out much for
> about 5-7 blocks. Two restaurants, at least one bank, a small mall and
> much damage to vegetation and cars. They melted. Luckily nobody was
> hurt. All we know is that it started in a newly remodeled but not
> finished apartment complex. They say it could take weeks to months to
> find out the cause, if they ever do.
>
> http://www.king5.com/news/local/mass...hell/279666139
>
>
> At any rate, tonight's dinner is hamburger gravy with celery, onion and
> green pepper over mashed potatoes. It's not exactly chilly here but not
> hot either and we are expected to have hot weather coming. So...
> Tonight's the night for hot food. Got pasta salad and fruit salad for
> later.

We've had some dangerous and damaging weather here too. Saturday some
damaging rain with lots of flooding came through, and one nearby city
was flooded in a way I haven't seen here outside of hurricane remnants
in a long time.

Look at these "rapids" going down Main St Ellicott City MD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgiddVgBZlQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4rn1g_24Mc (watch for one guy trying to
stop his car, he doesn't die)


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