On 8/7/2016 7:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

>
> Who buys a new, expensive car and has it painted so many times?
> Especially the weird, flat colors.

Anyone doing there own body work. The flat colors are easy to apply
primer and keep it from rusting until the final gloss paint. If the
original car was white and the door was damaged they may have gotten a
red one from the junk yard and maybe a green fender. Paint the whole
thing black primer to look better while working on it. You did mention
the markings were taken off. We did that a lot as teenagers.

On 8/7/2016 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> He's even furious that he has to pay half of the SS/medicare part of
> taxes. He's stupid too...he just recently found this out from his
> accountant. I told him that's what every employer in the country has to
> do. He's no one special. My job won't last too much longer, sadly.
> Never dreamed I'd have to find a new job at age 63.
>

At least you have a skill that is easily transported. You may do better
going it alone, putting an ad in the local shopping paper and contacting
former customers. Down side is you have to buy equipment.

As a one man shop you can have certain advantages at tax time, depending
how customers pay you.

On 8/7/2016 9:13 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 5:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> I did call the police about the car that I suspect is being used by
>> dealers. AFAIK, they did nothing. I also posted the pics on Facebook for
>> all to see. I'm pretty sure they know.
>
> Talk to them gain. And again. If they just patrolled the street more
> often the dealers would soon move.
>
> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
> YOU and they may move on.

Or, put some inexpensive, very realistic, 'fake' video cameras in
advantageous places around the house/property, along with a large yard
sign that says, "property under video surveillance". That might do the
trick, too.

Sky

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On 8/7/2016 10:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> When I was interviewing at a young age, all the advice was Do Not
> bring a friend to the interview. Now it's probably Don't bring
> Mommy.
>
> nancy
>

Going with friends is dumb, but some still do it. One opening, two
applicants. Do you say, "hey dummy, wait outside while I interview your
friend"

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 8/7/2016 12:58 AM, Sky wrote:

>
> Bove has now mentioned at least thrice that where angela sporadically
> worked, its so-called "manager" is/was a 16-year old kid. Something is
> especially wrong with this 'scenerio', and it seems to be quite
> questionable? What company any where (in the USA) would allow a
> non-adult (under 18!) to be responsible for the entire place with no
> adult supervision!!?? Somehow, this seems to be to be a matter of gross
> liability should something awful happen (robbery, murder, theft, etc.)
> while this under-age "manager" was in charge. Yet another 'story' from
> bove.

Certainly sounds questionable, but I've seen similar situations in the
past. State law now prevent it in many places.


>
> If my child had ever been unable to contact me while at work because
> calls were not allowed to phone home, I'd have a huge hissy fit and
> politely confront the owner and/or adult management to let them know of
> my extreme dissatisfaction and concerns

Now that is funny. Most everyone is telling Julie to stop hovering, let
the kid fend for herself and the like. Isn't this doing exactly the
opposite? As stated already, the "child" is an adult.
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2016 6:38 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My SO sent me a painting of her for my birthday last month:
>>>>
>>>> https://s7.postimg.org/ubyhtf6cb/buffy_painting.jpg
>>>
>>> That's a nice gift. Did he paint it himself?
>>
>> Does it say "Biddy" in the bottom left corner?
>>
> Does your stuff say "Old Fart" on the bottom?
>
> nancy

LOL

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch...
> ----------------
>
> That one is one of the worst. Better not to read her at all.
>
> Ugh!

And the use of "bove" in a derogatory way has gotten really, really old and
boring, older and more boring than the much used "bovine" which never was
anything but childish from some immature posters.

Cheri

On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 9:58:09 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 06:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:27:58 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > >$60 for a gallon of paint is a helluva lot cheaper than moving.
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking that painting renders such an improvement and is
> >> > 'relatively' cheap compared to the price of re-furnishing, new
> >> > appliances and other things one does to keep ones abode up to date and
> >> > good looking.
> >>
> >> You are totally correct. In the world of remodeling your house, painting
> >> is about the cheapest improvement you can do. Even if you hire a
> >> professional painter vs getting new flooring, fabrics, furniture, etc.
> >>
> >> The $60 a gallon sounds just like "Benjamin Moore Paints." They have the
> >> reputation of being the best. Well, they ARE good but they think way too
> >> much of themselves these days. They are way overpriced.
> >>
> >> If that's what you have used, switch to "Sherwin Williams." They also
> >> sell excellent paint and not so expensive. You can also find other
> >> brands at Home Depot or Lowes even cheaper than that. All paint
> >> companies make good and "not so good" paints depending one what you are
> >> painting.
> >
> >Actually, I use Sherwin Williams. As it happens, I'm in the process of
> >painting the bathroom (still remodeling), so I have current receipts.
> >
> >The primer was $43.99 per gallon. The paint was $65.99, but I caught
> >them on a 40% off sale. Hallelujah!
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> How many gallons did it take? I've always found it was wise to buy
> near the top level, covers best.

Don't know, yet.

For a 5-foot by 9.5-foot room, it took a little more than a gallon of
primer (two coats, brand-new drywall, walls and ceiling).

I bought a quart of paint for the ceiling, and it looks like I'm just
going to be able to eke out enough to do that (two coats).

For the walls, I bought one gallon, but I don't have to paint all of the
surfaces. The finish treatment for the shower area is three large sheets
of solid cultured stone stuff, which will be glued to the primed drywall.
I won't paint behind the vanity, although it got its two coats of primer.
The wall behind the toilet will get tile from the floor to about 42 inches
above the floor, which we'll attach to the primed drywall (since it isn't
a wet area).

The wall tint is a fairly dark one that picks up a color from the shower
area:

<https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7718-oak-creek/#/7718/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>

The ceiling is lighter, to reflect light better:

<https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7571-casa-blanca/#/7571/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>

Frankly, the colors as they appear on my monitor don't look very much
like the real thing.

When the project is finished, I'll put up some pictures on my web site.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-08-07 10:13 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 5:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> I did call the police about the car that I suspect is being used by
>> dealers. AFAIK, they did nothing. I also posted the pics on Facebook for
>> all to see. I'm pretty sure they know.
>
> Talk to them gain. And again. If they just patrolled the street more
> often the dealers would soon move.
>
> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
> YOU and they may move on.

That is harassment. They may not be doing anything wrong. The Bove may
think it is odd that some people have real friends who come to visit,
but having a lot of company is not a sign of drug dealing or any other
illegal activity.

On 2016-08-07 10:40 AM, Sky wrote:

> Or, put some inexpensive, very realistic, 'fake' video cameras in
> advantageous places around the house/property, along with a large yard
> sign that says, "property under video surveillance". That might do the
> trick, too.
>


I miss my old neighbour because the new guy is a jerk. I was walking the
dog down the lane one day and caught the glint of a solar pan mounted on
the utility pole, and what appeared to be a security camera. The next
time I saw him out there I mentioned something about the camera and that
it was probably a good idea. He told me his brother in law is in the
business and set up a dozen cameras around the yard and no one could see
any of them. Oh? I saw that one. I later spotted on further back and I
wasn't even looking for them.

On 2016-08-07 10:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 10:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was interviewing at a young age, all the advice was Do Not
>> bring a friend to the interview. Now it's probably Don't bring
>> Mommy.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> Going with friends is dumb, but some still do it. One opening, two
> applicants. Do you say, "hey dummy, wait outside while I interview your
> friend"


When my son was managing a restaurant he would automatically reject any
resumes that people brought during lunch or dinner hours. He figured
that if they came looking for a job at the busiest times of the day they
had no clue about the business.

On 8/7/2016 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 9:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/6/2016 10:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> 18 is an adult, if she has something to complain about, it's her
>>> job to take care of it. She's even allowed to not go home after
>>> work if she doesn't want to.
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> Being 18 has nothing to do with acting like a mature adult.
>
> Absolutely correct. Some haven't been allowed to grow up because
> of all the hand holding they get at home.
>
>> I've had 18
>> yo fill out applications with mom sitting there helping them. Driving
>> them to work, bringing their lunch.
>
> I've heard that about employers and colleges, they say it's
> different than it used to be. Some colleges ban calls to professors
> etc due to helicopter parents.

Not just colleges. Managers in big companies experience parents of a
junior employee calling them to complain!
Graham

On 8/7/2016 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I've heard that about employers and colleges, they say it's
>> different than it used to be. Some colleges ban calls to professors
>> etc due to helicopter parents.
>
> Not just colleges. Managers in big companies experience parents of a
> junior employee calling them to complain!

I know, I said employers.

Even the military has had that problem. Imagine?

nancy

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 9:58:09 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 06:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:27:58 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > >$60 for a gallon of paint is a helluva lot cheaper than moving.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was thinking that painting renders such an improvement and is
>> >> > 'relatively' cheap compared to the price of re-furnishing, new
>> >> > appliances and other things one does to keep ones abode up to date and
>> >> > good looking.
>> >>
>> >> You are totally correct. In the world of remodeling your house, painting
>> >> is about the cheapest improvement you can do. Even if you hire a
>> >> professional painter vs getting new flooring, fabrics, furniture, etc.
>> >>
>> >> The $60 a gallon sounds just like "Benjamin Moore Paints." They have the
>> >> reputation of being the best. Well, they ARE good but they think way too
>> >> much of themselves these days. They are way overpriced.
>> >>
>> >> If that's what you have used, switch to "Sherwin Williams." They also
>> >> sell excellent paint and not so expensive. You can also find other
>> >> brands at Home Depot or Lowes even cheaper than that. All paint
>> >> companies make good and "not so good" paints depending one what you are
>> >> painting.
>> >
>> >Actually, I use Sherwin Williams. As it happens, I'm in the process of
>> >painting the bathroom (still remodeling), so I have current receipts.
>> >
>> >The primer was $43.99 per gallon. The paint was $65.99, but I caught
>> >them on a 40% off sale. Hallelujah!
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> How many gallons did it take? I've always found it was wise to buy
>> near the top level, covers best.
>
>Don't know, yet.
>
>For a 5-foot by 9.5-foot room, it took a little more than a gallon of
>primer (two coats, brand-new drywall, walls and ceiling).
>
>I bought a quart of paint for the ceiling, and it looks like I'm just
>going to be able to eke out enough to do that (two coats).
>
>For the walls, I bought one gallon, but I don't have to paint all of the
>surfaces. The finish treatment for the shower area is three large sheets
>of solid cultured stone stuff, which will be glued to the primed drywall.
>I won't paint behind the vanity, although it got its two coats of primer.
>The wall behind the toilet will get tile from the floor to about 42 inches
>above the floor, which we'll attach to the primed drywall (since it isn't
>a wet area).
>
>The wall tint is a fairly dark one that picks up a color from the shower
>area:
>
><https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7718-oak-creek/#/7718/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>
>
>The ceiling is lighter, to reflect light better:
>
><https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7571-casa-blanca/#/7571/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>
>
>Frankly, the colors as they appear on my monitor don't look very much
>like the real thing.
>
>When the project is finished, I'll put up some pictures on my web site.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Do please, sounds like quite a project.

On 8/7/2016 11:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
>> YOU and they may move on.
>
> That is harassment. They may not be doing anything wrong. The Bove may
> think it is odd that some people have real friends who come to visit,
> but having a lot of company is not a sign of drug dealing or any other
> illegal activity.
>
>
>
She said it is a park. Parents may take comfort that people are
watching out for the kids.

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch...
> ----------------
>
> That one is one of the worst. Better not to read her at all.
>
> Ugh!

And the use of "bove" in a derogatory way has gotten really, really old and
boring, older and more boring than the much used "bovine" which never was
anything but childish from some immature posters.

Cheri
---------------

It does it because it thinks it is clever. HAH! If only it had a brain to
see how it is seen by others. Childish isn't the word I would use but ...

That one has never been anything different. It uses the same old, same old,
same old ....

Can you wonder why I never read it ...

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wrote in message ...

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 9:58:09 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 06:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:27:58 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > >$60 for a gallon of paint is a helluva lot cheaper than moving.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was thinking that painting renders such an improvement and is
>> >> > 'relatively' cheap compared to the price of re-furnishing, new
>> >> > appliances and other things one does to keep ones abode up to date
>> >> > and
>> >> > good looking.
>> >>
>> >> You are totally correct. In the world of remodeling your house,
>> >> painting
>> >> is about the cheapest improvement you can do. Even if you hire a
>> >> professional painter vs getting new flooring, fabrics, furniture, etc.
>> >>
>> >> The $60 a gallon sounds just like "Benjamin Moore Paints." They have
>> >> the
>> >> reputation of being the best. Well, they ARE good but they think way
>> >> too
>> >> much of themselves these days. They are way overpriced.
>> >>
>> >> If that's what you have used, switch to "Sherwin Williams." They also
>> >> sell excellent paint and not so expensive. You can also find other
>> >> brands at Home Depot or Lowes even cheaper than that. All paint
>> >> companies make good and "not so good" paints depending one what you
>> >> are
>> >> painting.
>> >
>> >Actually, I use Sherwin Williams. As it happens, I'm in the process of
>> >painting the bathroom (still remodeling), so I have current receipts.
>> >
>> >The primer was $43.99 per gallon. The paint was $65.99, but I caught
>> >them on a 40% off sale. Hallelujah!
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> How many gallons did it take? I've always found it was wise to buy
>> near the top level, covers best.
>
>Don't know, yet.
>
>For a 5-foot by 9.5-foot room, it took a little more than a gallon of
>primer (two coats, brand-new drywall, walls and ceiling).
>
>I bought a quart of paint for the ceiling, and it looks like I'm just
>going to be able to eke out enough to do that (two coats).
>
>For the walls, I bought one gallon, but I don't have to paint all of the
>surfaces. The finish treatment for the shower area is three large sheets
>of solid cultured stone stuff, which will be glued to the primed drywall.
>I won't paint behind the vanity, although it got its two coats of primer.
>The wall behind the toilet will get tile from the floor to about 42 inches
>above the floor, which we'll attach to the primed drywall (since it isn't
>a wet area).
>
>The wall tint is a fairly dark one that picks up a color from the shower
>area:
>
><https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7718-oak-creek/#/7718/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>
>
>The ceiling is lighter, to reflect light better:
>
><https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7571-casa-blanca/#/7571/?s=coordinatingColors&p=PS0>
>
>Frankly, the colors as they appear on my monitor don't look very much
>like the real thing.
>
>When the project is finished, I'll put up some pictures on my web site.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Do please, sounds like quite a project.
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I never even knew she had a website *grumble*



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"graham" wrote in message ...

On 8/7/2016 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 9:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/6/2016 10:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> 18 is an adult, if she has something to complain about, it's her
>>> job to take care of it. She's even allowed to not go home after
>>> work if she doesn't want to.
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> Being 18 has nothing to do with acting like a mature adult.
>
> Absolutely correct. Some haven't been allowed to grow up because
> of all the hand holding they get at home.
>
>> I've had 18
>> yo fill out applications with mom sitting there helping them. Driving
>> them to work, bringing their lunch.
>
> I've heard that about employers and colleges, they say it's
> different than it used to be. Some colleges ban calls to professors
> etc due to helicopter parents.

Not just colleges. Managers in big companies experience parents of a
junior employee calling them to complain!
--------

OMG

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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 8/7/2016 11:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
>> YOU and they may move on.
>
> That is harassment. They may not be doing anything wrong. The Bove may
> think it is odd that some people have real friends who come to visit,
> but having a lot of company is not a sign of drug dealing or any other
> illegal activity.
>
>
>
She said it is a park. Parents may take comfort that people are
watching out for the kids.

--------------------------------

I damned well would have been!!!

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On 8/7/2016 8:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 12:58 AM, Sky wrote:
>
>>
>> Bove has now mentioned at least thrice that where angela
>> sporadically worked, its so-called "manager" is/was a 16-year old
>> kid. Something is especially wrong with this 'scenerio', and it
>> seems to be quite questionable? What company any where (in the USA)
>> would allow a non-adult (under 18!) to be responsible for the
>> entire place with no adult supervision!!?? Somehow, this seems to
>> be to be a matter of gross liability should something awful happen
>> (robbery, murder, theft, etc.) while this under-age "manager" was
>> in charge. Yet another 'story' from bove.
>
> Certainly sounds questionable, but I've seen similar situations in
> the past. State law now prevent it in many places.
>
>> If my child had ever been unable to contact me while at work
>> because calls were not allowed to phone home, I'd have a huge hissy
>> fit and politely confront the owner and/or adult management to let
>> them know of my extreme dissatisfaction and concerns

The above "IF" is the keyword!

> Now that is funny. Most everyone is telling Julie to stop hovering,
> let the kid fend for herself and the like. Isn't this doing exactly
> the opposite? As stated already, the "child" is an adult.

Big grin! My 'job' as a parent was to prepare my son as best as
possible to be self-sufficient. Very often when he was an elementary
school student and older, he used to whine, "I'm hungry . . ." between
meals. So, I'd tell him, "OK, so go make sandwich" (think PBJ) or get
some fresh fruit, which usually was on hand.

As is typical for children and young teenagers, he demurred because he
truly wasn't that hungry; he couldn't be bothered to make the effort. I
certainly was not at his beck and call, unless a particular situation
needed immediate attention, of course!

DS was a normal, healthy, very active child/teenager and far from obese,
as are shamefully too many children these days. Way too many parents
conveniently (cough-cough!) rely on fast food take-out instead of
cooking wholesome, non-processed foods at home! I'm very proud of my
DS; he's fulfilled his life-long passion from the age of five and worked
extremely hard to become an officer and aviator for a branch of the USA
military!

Sky, who has no clue how to hover! ;D

Addendum: DS was told to go outside and play with the neighborhood
children but to stay in 'whistling' distance, which was about a two- or
three-block radius from home. No video games or such back then!

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On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:31:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/6/2016 10:57 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, of course I would be fine with it. You really can't deal with a
>> 20 second delay so a young person can let their parents know they are
>> working late? What an asshole you are.
>>
>
>How do you figure 20 seconds when the kids phone is in a locker? Store
>phone in the office?

Why would the kids phone be in the locker, or the store phone stuck in
the office?

> Carefully think about the logistics and see if it
>is 20 seconds and who the asshole may be.

Go **** yourself.

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:29:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/6/2016 10:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>> Nonsense. Do you seriously think they would allow her off of the register to
>>> call or text? They were required to put their phones in a locker.
>>>
>>> And if you were the customer? What would you do if the cashier said to
>>> you... "Excuse me. I just have to call my mom and tell her that I'll be
>>> late!" I don't think so.
>>
>> LOL, why on earth not? Why would a customer care?
>> The Bothell phenomenon again, I guess.
>>
>
>Customers bitch about a lot of trivial stuff. Easy for us, as mature
>experience workers, to tell the boss to F off. Not so easy for a kid at
>the first job

Things must work a lot differently where you are, asshole.

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:35:44 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 11:22:03 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:08:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-08-06 8:31 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2016-08-07, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> .....leftover fresh pasta.
>>>>
>>>> How does that work?
>>>
>>>Only in Bothell can you have fresh leftovers.
>>
>>Is salt fresh when only just extracted?
>>
>>If a racoon falls through a window and no one is around to hear it,
>>does it make a sound?
>
>No, but it will raid your cupboards pronto !

Glad we don't have 'em here... possums are bad enough as it is.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These are
>> >> >> people who don't live here that are coming into this area. Calling
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> police doesn't do any real good because it doesn't take long to buy
>> >> >> drugs
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> do drugs or whatever they're doing and the people are always long
>> >> >> gone
>> >> >> before the law arrives. I do have pics of the one car. It was black
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> gray now white. Same car. I am not seeing it as often.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you don't bother to call police, I highly suggest that you just
>> >> > ignore these people and certainly don't take pictures. No telling
>> >> > what
>> >> > might happen if you are caught taking pictures of them.
>> >>
>> >> I did call the police about the car that I suspect is being used by
>> >> dealers.
>> >> AFAIK, they did nothing. I also posted the pics on Facebook for all to
>> >> see.
>> >> I'm pretty sure they know.
>> >
>> > You posted those pics on Facebook as drug dealers and you don't know
>> > for
>> > sure if they are? It's only your guess what is going on? oh man. You're
>> > playing with fire. Someone is either going to kill you or sue you.
>>
>> I did not refer to them as drug dealers. I referred to it as a suspicious
>> car and posted what we have seen. Two different drivers. And young women
>> coming back to the car. They were not in the car to begin with. Others
>> surmised that it might be prostitution. I really don't know. I'd just
>> like
>> them gone.
>>
>> I thought they were gone as I hadn't heard or seen the car in some time.
>> I
>> can always tell when it is here when the one guy drives it. He totally
>> gives
>> me the creeps. And I don't know what causes this but it makes such a loud
>> booming sound that it shakes my house.
>>
>> The other guy doesn't give me the creeps and the car doesn't do this when
>> he
>> is driving it.
>>
>> And often, one guy will drive it and park it, but the other guy will
>> leave
>> with it.
>>
>> It's a newer Mitsubishi Eclipse but all identifiable markings have been
>> removed. Was originally painted a dull, flat black. Windows are tinted
>> black.
>>
>> I thought I saw it at the hospital when I had my surgery but the security
>> guard was on us like white on rice so I didn't feel comfortable taking a
>> pic
>> of it then. The person who drove me to the hospital kept switching
>> parking
>> spots so I'm sure the guard thought she was acting kind of hinky. I don't
>> blame him.
>>
>> At some point, fairly recently, it reappeared but painted a dull, flat
>> gray.
>> Then more recently with white gloss paint.
>>
>> Who buys a new, expensive car and has it painted so many times?
>> Especially
>> the weird, flat colors. And as I said before, there are no houses over
>> where
>> they are parking it. The either park right across from my house, or my
>> mailbox or occasionally further down the street but all entrances to the
>> park. They're not walking a dog in the park and sometimes the car will be
>> there for over an hour with the creepy guy sitting in it.
>>
>> None of the neighbors know who these people are.
>
> Again Julie - you're playing with fire. Leave these people alone. If
> they are doing something illegal they might kill you if they see you
> taking pics and posting, etc.

I'll do what I want and what I feel is right.
>
> I know you stay up all night. Unless you want to take on a quest to rid
> your neighborhood of crime (dangerous to do), you keep your doors
> locked, shades closed, and just ignore what is going on across the
> street. Maybe request that police park there occasionally. Their
> occasional presence there might deter others from stopping there.

Yes, I do and the neighbors do. We can not request the police to do
anything. And they certainly don't have an extra person to park there. You
can live like a mole or an ostrich or whatever. I won't do that.
>
> One rule of longevity: Don't mess with strangers. You have no idea who
> you are messing with.

Or you can be a part of Neighborhood Watch.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2016 7:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Who buys a new, expensive car and has it painted so many times?
>> Especially the weird, flat colors.
>
> Anyone doing there own body work. The flat colors are easy to apply
> primer and keep it from rusting until the final gloss paint. If the
> original car was white and the door was damaged they may have gotten a red
> one from the junk yard and maybe a green fender. Paint the whole thing
> black primer to look better while working on it. You did mention the
> markings were taken off. We did that a lot as teenagers.

These don't look like people doing body work. And they certainly weren't
working on it.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 05:13:03 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:35:44 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 11:22:03 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:08:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2016-08-06 8:31 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-08-07, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> .....leftover fresh pasta.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that work?
>>>>
>>>>Only in Bothell can you have fresh leftovers.
>>>
>>>Is salt fresh when only just extracted?
>>>
>>>If a racoon falls through a window and no one is around to hear it,
>>>does it make a sound?
>>
>>No, but it will raid your cupboards pronto !
>
>Glad we don't have 'em here... possums are bad enough as it is.

They have become urbanized here as humans moved into their territory.
They love the green compost bins, what goes out for compost is
generally exactly what they are looking for.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I don't know. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what a slum is. I think of
>> it
>> as a building.
>
> IMO, a slum is an area, not one building. I grew up in the Washington DC
> area and they had/have a slum area. It's several square blocks (and not
> far from the White House) (NW area of the city). It's a large area with
> rundown buildings, many poor people and homeless. Drug sales are
> everywhere. Cheap hookers on many corners. It's not a nice place to be.
> I've seen homeless sleeping on the sidewalks next to a building with old
> newspaper for a blanket. Many jobless people just hanging around on the
> streets during the day. They are not out looking for jobs...they have
> already given up. And seriously...most of the people you see are
> hookers, drug addicts, and the mentally ill. Oh and now it's all gangs,
> claim their territory. It's very sad to see the bottom of the human
> chain.
>
> I saw all this delivering furniture. A slum is NOT somewhere to be in
> the daytime and if you go into one at night, it's a death wish.
>
> Donald will fix all this, I'm sure. ;-)

Yes. That is exactly what I saw in DC. Shocked the hell out of me because I
have *never* lived anywhere with an area like that.

In looking it up, we apparently did have some buildings in West Seattle that
were referred to as slums because the owner did not keep the buildings up.
But those are long gone now.

We do have tent city. Those people just sort of take over an area and there
seems to be nothing we can do about it except to move them elsewhere.

On 8/7/2016 11:10 AM, nancy young wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 8/7/2016 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I've heard that about employers and colleges, they say it's
>>> different than it used to be. Some colleges ban calls to professors
>>> etc due to helicopter parents.
>>
>> Not just colleges. Managers in big companies experience parents of a
>> junior employee calling them to complain!
>
> I know, I said employers.
>
Sorry! Didn't register with me as I saw "colleges".

> Even the military has had that problem. Imagine?
>
I can't!!!!!!!!

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2016 9:04 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 7/26/2016 3:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> She'd get dressed, drive to work, only to have them tell her that
>>>> she wasn't needed that day. When she tried to call ahead of time to
>>>> see if she was needed, they told her that she wasn't allowed to
>>>> call them. Or on the few occasions that she did work, they'd tell
>>>> her that she had to stay late but wouldn't allow her to call and
>>>> tell us this. This of course left her dad and I wondering where she
>>>> was. The only thing we could do was drive there and see if her car
>>>> was outside. He did call once to see if she was still there and she
>>>> got in trouble for him calling.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry Julie but I find this very hard to believe. You might have
>>> answered it later because as you can tell I'm not replying to a
>>> current post because I've just been too busy. They wouldn't allow an
>>> 18 year old to call home to say she has to work late? No fk'n way is
>>> that happening anywhere.
>>
>> Agreed. This is bogus.
>>
>
> Don't know. I've heard a lot of horror stories from people working retail
> that it would not surprise me. Some are run by incompetent managers
> afraid they will lose their own jobs if someone breaks a dumb rule. As
> bad a sweat shops in India.

My retail jobs were not that bad but they weren't pretty. They often broke
the law by not letting us take breaks. We just pretty much learned that it
was a given that you wouldn't get a break if the store was busy. If we
needed to use the bathroom, we could sneak back there if lucky. Most of the
time we just had to hold it and...oh well. Complain about it? There's the
door. It was certainly easy enough for people to be replaced.

By the time I retired, almost all of the entry level people did not speak
English as a first language. So what if they only worked for two days and
quit? A dozen more had their applications sitting there.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-08-07 9:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Don't know. I've heard a lot of horror stories from people working
>> retail that it would not surprise me. Some are run by incompetent
>> managers afraid they will lose their own jobs if someone breaks a dumb
>> rule. As bad a sweat shops in India.
>
>
> My sister in law has run a number of women's clothing store and was fired
> from her previous job. At first they accused her of stealing but then it
> changed to failure to follow store policies. The odd thing was that the
> owner got one of her staff to rat her out. That staff member was a friend
> of our neighbour and was a complete idiot. SIL's bigges mistake while
> running that store was probably failing to fire the woman, but she thought
> she was a friend of ours, and she felt sorry for her. The rat's reward was
> that they gave her a promotion and transfer. Aside from having to drive 50
> miles to the new store, she likely failed.
>
> SiL had never got along with her regional supervisor and thought the woman
> was afraid that she was after her job. That was ridiculous because SiL had
> been offered the job and turned it down. She had been the highest paid
> manager in the chain and also had the highest sales. Apparently they
> wanted to get rid of her and replace her with someone cheaper.

My first retail job was at Jafco. It was a catalog store. I was surprised
when I got hired to see two department managers that I'd gone to high school
with. They were my age. Not sure what happened to the one but the other is
now quite well off and owns a seafood condiment company. He still lives in
the city where I grew up.

That company would tend to keep people until the day before they were due
for a raise. We'd be laid off and told that we'd be the first they'd call
back if they needed help. That was a big lie. We were never called back.
They did seem to keep the management, perhaps because they didn't want to
have to retrain people or some such thing.

It was also very easy at least in those days to set people up. Someone in
the cash office had been stealing from my till. I caught on to the fact that
something was wrong and went to management first and we were able to catch
her red handed. But... More often than not, I saw people fired who very
likely were set up just like this. One was a *** man who worked there part
time. He also worked with my brother. I believe they got rid of him because
he was ***. I overheard two of the cash office employees snickering about
it. They'd been stealing money from his till to make him look like he'd been
stealing.

When I was in high school, my friend worked at a donut shop. The cash
registers in those days were not sophisticated and the one there didn't even
have a lock on it. Long story short there, a regular customer requested
something special and he knew that my friend would have to go to the back
room to get it. While he was back there, the guy stole money from the
register. My friend was fired for stealing. He protested but got nowhere at
first. But within the week, the culprit confessed to the theft.

When I was working at the golf course, my coworker stole about $2,000 from
my till. We had no camera set up so not sure how she did it although we did
have a very wonky safe. It could sometimes take a very long time for the
money to go down inside. It had some sort of mechanism like a wheel that fed
them bag of money inside but it was discovered that sometimes the bags got
hung up and didn't fully go inside. But on that day I had also left my bag
of money behind the counter for perhaps a minute while I ran to get my boss
for a phone call. I felt that leaving the money behind the counter was safer
than taking it outside.

At any rate, they had already been watching her like a hawk because she had
been stealing money right and left. They knew I didn't take it but I still
had to be written up for it and that made me feel horrible.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2016 10:19 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> 18 is an adult, if she has something to complain about, it's her
>> job to take care of it. She's even allowed to not go home after
>> work if she doesn't want to.
>> nancy
>
>
> Being 18 has nothing to do with acting like a mature adult. I've had 18
> yo fill out applications with mom sitting there helping them. Driving
> them to work, bringing their lunch.
>
> Some don't have the ability, experience, maturity to make a decision that
> affects them, especially negatively. Some never had an independent
> thought.

That is very true. Many of the people I know of that age not only do not
have cars but not even driver's licenses or Washington state IDs. I rather
blame the parents for that but I can't really get into it as I don't know
all of the particulars.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2016 10:57 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, of course I would be fine with it. You really can't deal with a
>> 20 second delay so a young person can let their parents know they are
>> working late? What an asshole you are.
>>
>
> How do you figure 20 seconds when the kids phone is in a locker? Store
> phone in the office? Carefully think about the logistics and see if it is
> 20 seconds and who the asshole may be.

Yep. She would have had to walk away from the line of customers, and there
were many. Nobody else was there to assist. She said it was just her and the
manager and he was the one doing the cooking.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:31:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/6/2016 10:57 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, of course I would be fine with it. You really can't deal with a
>>> 20 second delay so a young person can let their parents know they are
>>> working late? What an asshole you are.
>>>
>>
>>How do you figure 20 seconds when the kids phone is in a locker? Store
>>phone in the office?
>
> Why would the kids phone be in the locker, or the store phone stuck in
> the office?

Because they were assigned lockers and they were to put all personal
possessions in there at the start of their shift. The lockers were in the
back room.
>
>> Carefully think about the logistics and see if it
>>is 20 seconds and who the asshole may be.
>
> Go **** yourself.
>

On 8/7/2016 2:52 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> Why would the kids phone be in the locker, or the store phone stuck in
> the office?

That is the rules stated earlier. Eliminates distractions, I'm sure.
Most stores don't have phones at the register.
>
>> Carefully think about the logistics and see if it
>> is 20 seconds and who the asshole may be.
>
> Go **** yourself.
>

Classy retort.

On 8/7/2016 2:53 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> Things must work a lot differently where you are, asshole.
>

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

On 8/7/2016 3:32 PM, graham wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 11:10 AM, nancy young wrote:
>> On 8/7/2016 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2016 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> I've heard that about employers and colleges, they say it's
>>>> different than it used to be. Some colleges ban calls to professors
>>>> etc due to helicopter parents.
>>>
>>> Not just colleges. Managers in big companies experience parents of a
>>> junior employee calling them to complain!
>>
>> I know, I said employers.
>>
> Sorry! Didn't register with me as I saw "colleges".

I did go heavy on the college part. I just haven't read of
any employers going to the extent of making a policy of refusing
to talk to parents.

>> Even the military has had that problem. Imagine?
>>
> I can't!!!!!!!!

You can imagine that goes thisfar before being nipped in the bud.

nancy

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2016 12:58 AM, Sky wrote:
>
>>
>> Bove has now mentioned at least thrice that where angela sporadically
>> worked, its so-called "manager" is/was a 16-year old kid. Something is
>> especially wrong with this 'scenerio', and it seems to be quite
>> questionable? What company any where (in the USA) would allow a
>> non-adult (under 18!) to be responsible for the entire place with no
>> adult supervision!!?? Somehow, this seems to be to be a matter of gross
>> liability should something awful happen (robbery, murder, theft, etc.)
>> while this under-age "manager" was in charge. Yet another 'story' from
>> bove.
>
> Certainly sounds questionable, but I've seen similar situations in the
> past. State law now prevent it in many places.
>
>
>>
>> If my child had ever been unable to contact me while at work because
>> calls were not allowed to phone home, I'd have a huge hissy fit and
>> politely confront the owner and/or adult management to let them know of
>> my extreme dissatisfaction and concerns
>
> Now that is funny. Most everyone is telling Julie to stop hovering, let
> the kid fend for herself and the like. Isn't this doing exactly the
> opposite? As stated already, the "child" is an adult.

It is funny because if there is one thing I don't do, it's hover. If anyone
was the hoverer, it was her. For years, I felt like she was my shadow and
she still begs me to go places with her because she is terrified of things.
She is just now realizing that this isn't going to work for her. I did go to
the college for one thing that I felt I should not have but I also figured,
heck...they have AC and I can sit in there and read my book.

Oddly enough I wasn't able to read my book because the one guy in the office
began talking to me about cats and cooking. He was cracking me up. Both
people (Jebus is going to love this) were Asian. The guy was Chinese and the
woman was Japanese. Because this college has a sister college in Japan, they
have a high percentage of Japanese students. So most of the people who came
through the door for assistance were Asian.

Each time a person came through the door, the guy said, "Hey! Tofu!" and
smiled. I thought maybe it was some kind of Asian joke or something because
they always laughed. He said he couldn't tell what kind of Asian they were
and didn't know what language they spoke but they all knew tofu. So that
seemed to work very well for him.

He told me to come back the following day for orientation. Again, I didn't
feel like I should but he insisted that I come back. At first, I was the
only parent there. Then another guy and his dad came in late.

After that, Angela sort of said in a dejected fashion that perhaps it would
be best if I didn't come to any more school things. Heh. I think she had
really hoped to get a friend to come but then pretty much none of her
friends graduated and they'll be going back to finish high school while she
goes on. The one who did graduate is likely not to be able to go to college
at all or at least not right now. I won't get into that.

I was always a very independent person but she never was. This is hard for
me to fathom but it's just not in me to be like she is. For the longest time
I couldn't get her to even walk into a store and buy one thing by herself.
Luckily, we do know some store owners and they are/were small stores so we
started there. I did tell the owners ahead of time that she was terrified
but I was sending her in by herself. Always with a specific task in mind.
Like to buy me a present or a card for someone or some such thing. Granted
this was not recently. This went back to when she was like 8 years old. I
would wait in the car outside while she shopped. Not sure if that helped or
not. Didn't seem to.

She has gotten a lot better now but she still prefers friends to be with her
for certain things. Again, not something I really "get" because I am not
like that at all. But when I was growing up, I did have friends who were
like that. Always needing me or some other friend to be with them. I just
figure if I go by myself I can accomplish whatever it is a heck of a lot
faster by myself so I prefer to go alone. With some exceptions. If I need to
buy something for another person like clothing or food, then I do prefer
their input so I don't buy the wrong thing.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2016 5:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> I did call the police about the car that I suspect is being used by
>> dealers. AFAIK, they did nothing. I also posted the pics on Facebook for
>> all to see. I'm pretty sure they know.
>
> Talk to them gain. And again. If they just patrolled the street more
> often the dealers would soon move.

They are patroling it more now that we've had the shooting and car theft but
bottom line is they just don't have them people to keep up.
>
> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING YOU
> and they may move on.

We have the Neighborhood Watch signs already up.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2016-08-07 10:13 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/7/2016 5:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> I did call the police about the car that I suspect is being used by
>>> dealers. AFAIK, they did nothing. I also posted the pics on Facebook for
>>> all to see. I'm pretty sure they know.
>>
>> Talk to them gain. And again. If they just patrolled the street more
>> often the dealers would soon move.
>>
>> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
>> YOU and they may move on.
>
> That is harassment. They may not be doing anything wrong. The Bove may
> think it is odd that some people have real friends who come to visit, but
> having a lot of company is not a sign of drug dealing or any other illegal
> activity.

Nobody lives in the park Dave. They are doing the drug deals in the park.
They have even had a lot of trees cut down to make it easier for us to see
into there. Part of the reason it was so easy for our houses to be robbed
was that the bad people were hiding behind the trees or in the bushes,
waiting for us to leave a tool unattended or some such thing. Both of my
next door neighbors were/are contractors. When I say both, I mean the one
who used to live in that house and the one who is there now. They ran inside
to get something and got their work tools stolen. It can happen that fast.
That's why I try to go out sporadically and watch.

Obviously I can't be out there all day. But I can take my sweet time washing
out the trash can, breaking down boxes or even reading a book.

The police know that the park is a drug park and there are drug deals going
on at the apartments on the other side of the park. This is how the stolen
property came to be put in our trees and bushes. Something to do with a drug
deal gone bad.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2016 11:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Put a couple of home made signs on the street that say WE'RE WATCHING
>>> YOU and they may move on.
>>
>> That is harassment. They may not be doing anything wrong. The Bove may
>> think it is odd that some people have real friends who come to visit,
>> but having a lot of company is not a sign of drug dealing or any other
>> illegal activity.
>>
>>
>>
> She said it is a park. Parents may take comfort that people are watching
> out for the kids.

And in this case, it's often more seniors walking their dogs than it is
kids. One would assume a park to be a safe place but this one really isn't.