On 8/5/2016 11:31 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I love my new Keurig,M but can't find any dark roast in decaf in my local stores.
> I can't drink any coffee any more without Amaretto creamer in it, so I am far
> from a coffee connoisseur. I only drink decaf, but still drink it only in the morning,
> and usually just one cup and sometimes two cups. So the Keurig is perfect for me.
>
> I have the gizmo for it so I can use regular ground coffee instead of the K-cups, but
> have never used it.
>
> N.
>

Amaretto coffee sounds pretty good to me. Most things sound pretty good
right around this time of day. The few times I used the refillable
thingies, the coffee was not good. I probably should have used better
coffee. The clean-up is kind of a hassle. Coffee filters were probably
the greatest advance in coffee making ever.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

> I don't have a compost bin. The easiest thing for me to do is not drink it
> all and rinse the last part down the sink or perhaps I can put it in the
> cat litter box.

They may not like it, coffee grounds are one of the things that are
recommended to keep cats out of your flower beds, they supposedly hate the
smell of coffee.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> On 8/5/2016 11:31 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> >
> > I love my new Keurig,M but can't find any dark roast in decaf in my local stores.
> > I can't drink any coffee any more without Amaretto creamer in it, so I am far
> > from a coffee connoisseur. I only drink decaf, but still drink it only in the morning,
> > and usually just one cup and sometimes two cups. So the Keurig is perfect for me.
> >
> > I have the gizmo for it so I can use regular ground coffee instead of the K-cups, but
> > have never used it.
> >
> > N.
> >
>
> Amaretto coffee sounds pretty good to me. Most things sound pretty good
> right around this time of day. The few times I used the refillable
> thingies, the coffee was not good. I probably should have used better
> coffee.

There are people who would love a bad cup of coffee, because they can't
afford a good one.

On 8/5/2016 12:21 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I don't have a compost bin. The easiest thing for me to do is not
>> drink it all and rinse the last part down the sink or perhaps I can
>> put it in the cat litter box.
>
> They may not like it, coffee grounds are one of the things that are
> recommended to keep cats out of your flower beds, they supposedly hate
> the smell of coffee.
>
> Cheri

That's a very good point.

On 8/5/2016 8:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> LOL, Cheryl! The one and only time I got high with friends on my lunch
> break was my last. I had incredibly long eyelashes. On my way to class
> after the break a teacher stopped me in the hallway and stared at my
> eyes. Despite the use of Visine I was convinced she knew. Perhaps she
> did; but what she said to me was, "Are you wearing false eyelashes?!"
> Whew! No ma'am, just mascara. It freaked me out enough that I never
> did that during school hours again.
>
> Jill

Tried it twice. It did nothing for me so I never bothered again. I
like a drink on occasion but in that case I stop before it has an
effect. Drank too much once and did not like the penalty the next day.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 19:03:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/5/2016 8:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> LOL, Cheryl! The one and only time I got high with friends on my lunch
>> break was my last. I had incredibly long eyelashes. On my way to class
>> after the break a teacher stopped me in the hallway and stared at my
>> eyes. Despite the use of Visine I was convinced she knew. Perhaps she
>> did; but what she said to me was, "Are you wearing false eyelashes?!"
>> Whew! No ma'am, just mascara. It freaked me out enough that I never
>> did that during school hours again.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Tried it twice. It did nothing for me so I never bothered again. I
>like a drink on occasion but in that case I stop before it has an
>effect. Drank too much once and did not like the penalty the next day.

Just puts me to sleep. I did grow it for several years for David, he
really found it eased pain for him.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/4/2016 11:52 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was in university just about everyone smoked it. The only harder
>>> drug that any of them developed problems with was alcohol. They all
>>> seem to have given up pot smoking.
>>
>> Strange that all would just give up. Makes me wonder why they used it
>> in the first place. It's very different here.
>>
> They used it because they liked it. They gave it up, JMHO, due to
> availability and price. In school it was easy enough to find. Once
> you're out of school people scatter, they're busy working, they get
> married, have families. Your friendly classmate with access to weed
> isn't right there anymore.
>
> Financially, what used to cost US$10-15 an ounce was suddenly priced
> well over $100. Not to mention, in most US States (don't know about
> Canada) it's still illegal. Who wants to serve a long prison term for
> possession of what amounts to a miniscule amount of pot?
>
> Jill

Did all of that weed make your hair thin out?

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:50:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/4/2016 11:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was in university just about everyone smoked it. The only harder
>>> drug that any of them developed problems with was alcohol. They all
>>> seem to have given up pot smoking.
>>
>> Strange that all would just give up. Makes me wonder why they used it
>> in the first place. It's very different here.
>>
>They used it because they liked it. They gave it up, JMHO, due to
>availability and price. In school it was easy enough to find. Once
>you're out of school people scatter, they're busy working, they get
>married, have families. Your friendly classmate with access to weed
>isn't right there anymore.

Yes, I suppose so. I have lived in most parts of Australia and some
places it's almost impossible to avoid and others it takes some
seeking out. I have no such problems myself now since I grow all I
want.

>Financially, what used to cost US$10-15 an ounce was suddenly priced
>well over $100.

I think it's quite a bit more than $100 in the U.S now, especially the
legal cannabis, which is why there is still black market cannabis even
where it is legal. It's cheaper than the 'legit' product.

>Not to mention, in most US States (don't know about
>Canada) it's still illegal.

>Who wants to serve a long prison term for
>possession of what amounts to a miniscule amount of pot?

Does that still happen in the U.S? Here in Tasmania it is technically
illegal but you'd have to do something pretty outrageous to attract a
prison sentence. I know of some here who had plants clearly visible
from their driveway and the cops had to confiscate it since they saw
it. Then again, other cops studiously ignore it... either way, you
only receive a 'caution' (no record of anything) and the worst case is
no more than a $250 fine.

The cops here are really not interested in cannabis, particularly
since the rise of meth. I know of one who actually *likes* small time
dealers of cannabis because he says violence goes up when supply is
low.

Medicinal cannabis industry is all set to start up here now but
recreational use remains technically illegal.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:50:24 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/4/2016 11:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was in university just about everyone smoked it. The only harder
>>>> drug that any of them developed problems with was alcohol. They all
>>>> seem to have given up pot smoking.
>>>
>>> Strange that all would just give up. Makes me wonder why they used it
>>> in the first place. It's very different here.
>>>
>>They used it because they liked it. They gave it up, JMHO, due to
>>availability and price. In school it was easy enough to find. Once
>>you're out of school people scatter, they're busy working, they get
>>married, have families. Your friendly classmate with access to weed
>>isn't right there anymore.
>
> Yes, I suppose so. I have lived in most parts of Australia and some
> places it's almost impossible to avoid and others it takes some
> seeking out. I have no such problems myself now since I grow all I
> want.
>
>>Financially, what used to cost US$10-15 an ounce was suddenly priced
>>well over $100.
>
> I think it's quite a bit more than $100 in the U.S now, especially the
> legal cannabis, which is why there is still black market cannabis even
> where it is legal. It's cheaper than the 'legit' product.
>
>>Not to mention, in most US States (don't know about
>>Canada) it's still illegal.
>
>>Who wants to serve a long prison term for
>>possession of what amounts to a miniscule amount of pot?
>
> Does that still happen in the U.S? Here in Tasmania it is technically
> illegal but you'd have to do something pretty outrageous to attract a
> prison sentence. I know of some here who had plants clearly visible
> from their driveway and the cops had to confiscate it since they saw
> it. Then again, other cops studiously ignore it... either way, you
> only receive a 'caution' (no record of anything) and the worst case is
> no more than a $250 fine.

Depends on where you live. Pot is legal here for 21 and over. Now you will
get in trouble if you smoke or consume it in public, although it would be
easy enough to consume and likely nobody would notice. You can not operated
a motor vehicle while under the influence either.
>
> The cops here are really not interested in cannabis, particularly
> since the rise of meth. I know of one who actually *likes* small time
> dealers of cannabis because he says violence goes up when supply is
> low.
>
> Medicinal cannabis industry is all set to start up here now but
> recreational use remains technically illegal.

Pot shops are springing up all over here. We have just about as many as we
do coffee stands now.

On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:23:57 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:56:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > > Cheryl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't care what anyone says, I think 7-11 has good coffee but only
> > > > when it's fresh.
> > >
> > > I agree and I've said it before. Morning 7-11 coffee is as good as it
> > > gets, imo. I rarely buy it though as I want my one cup first thing in
> > > the morning before I leave the house.
> >
> > Agree about the quality of 7-11 coffee, it's excellent. I've never
> > had stale coffee at the one local to me and am not concerned about it,
> > probably because there are so many coffee drinkers around here.
> > >
> > > I used to use a french press until I broke it. Lately, I'm using a 4-cup
> > > Mr.Coffee machine and I brew only 2 cups. My coffee is Essential
> > > Everyday. It's actually pretty darn good.
> >
> > I don't brew less than 4 cups of coffee, not because I drink them but
> > because I don't think coffee makers that are 4-12 cups brew good
> > coffee when it's less than 4.
>
> I agree with you there but remember, I'm not using a 4-12 cup machine.
> My miniature Mr.Coffee is a 4-cup machine and brewing 2 cups works
> fine. I'll have to dig in my bottom cabinet to see if I still have my
> old stovetop perculator. That made excellent coffee too.

I had a 4 cup coffee make for years and years. It didn't die, but the
coffee itself wasn't as hot as it could have been. Don't remember
what brand, but I know it wasn't Mr. Coffee. I'd remember that. LOL

As far as a stovetop percolator, I agree you can make fantastic coffee
with one - on a gas stove (it's possible, but not as easy on
electric). That's the only, and I emphasize *only*, time I'll admit -
it's easier with gas.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:26:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 5-Aug-2016, Gary > wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:56:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cheryl wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't care what anyone says, I think 7-11 has good coffee but only
> > > > > when it's fresh.
> > > >
> > > > I agree and I've said it before. Morning 7-11 coffee is as good as it
> > > > gets, imo. I rarely buy it though as I want my one cup first thing in
> > > > the morning before I leave the house.
> > >
> > > Agree about the quality of 7-11 coffee, it's excellent. I've never
> > > had stale coffee at the one local to me and am not concerned about it,
> > > probably because there are so many coffee drinkers around here.
> > > >
> > > > I used to use a french press until I broke it. Lately, I'm using a
> > > > 4-cup
> > > > Mr.Coffee machine and I brew only 2 cups. My coffee is Essential
> > > > Everyday. It's actually pretty darn good.
> > >
> > > I don't brew less than 4 cups of coffee, not because I drink them but
> > > because I don't think coffee makers that are 4-12 cups brew good
> > > coffee when it's less than 4.
> >
> > I agree with you there but remember, I'm not using a 4-12 cup machine.
> > My miniature Mr.Coffee is a 4-cup machine and brewing 2 cups works
> > fine. I'll have to dig in my bottom cabinet to see if I still have my
> > old stovetop perculator. That made excellent coffee too.
> Most often, I make 4 cups (20 ounces) in my Bodum Press. If I need 8 cups
> (40 ounces), I'll use a larger press or a vacuum pot. On the very rare
> occasion that I want only one or two cups, I have a Melitta 2-cup cone
> brewer. I find that the right tool for the amount needed makes better
> coffee.

Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
you have at your fingertips?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 11:42:29 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:50:24 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/4/2016 11:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was in university just about everyone smoked it. The only harder
>>>> drug that any of them developed problems with was alcohol. They all
>>>> seem to have given up pot smoking.
>>>
>>> Strange that all would just give up. Makes me wonder why they used it
>>> in the first place. It's very different here.
>>>
>>They used it because they liked it. They gave it up, JMHO, due to
>>availability and price. In school it was easy enough to find. Once
>>you're out of school people scatter, they're busy working, they get
>>married, have families. Your friendly classmate with access to weed
>>isn't right there anymore.
>
>Yes, I suppose so. I have lived in most parts of Australia and some
>places it's almost impossible to avoid and others it takes some
>seeking out. I have no such problems myself now since I grow all I
>want.
>
>>Financially, what used to cost US$10-15 an ounce was suddenly priced
>>well over $100.
>
>I think it's quite a bit more than $100 in the U.S now, especially the
>legal cannabis, which is why there is still black market cannabis even
>where it is legal. It's cheaper than the 'legit' product.
>
>>Not to mention, in most US States (don't know about
>>Canada) it's still illegal.
>
>>Who wants to serve a long prison term for
>>possession of what amounts to a miniscule amount of pot?
>
>Does that still happen in the U.S? Here in Tasmania it is technically
>illegal but you'd have to do something pretty outrageous to attract a
>prison sentence. I know of some here who had plants clearly visible
>from their driveway and the cops had to confiscate it since they saw
>it. Then again, other cops studiously ignore it... either way, you
>only receive a 'caution' (no record of anything) and the worst case is
>no more than a $250 fine.
>
>The cops here are really not interested in cannabis, particularly
>since the rise of meth. I know of one who actually *likes* small time
>dealers of cannabis because he says violence goes up when supply is
>low.
>
>Medicinal cannabis industry is all set to start up here now but
>recreational use remains technically illegal.

It started with the 'war on drugs' in the USA. Now the prisons are
full with people caught with a little too much cannabis on them. Makes
money for the companies running the prisons but otherwise must be a
huge burden on the tax payer.

On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:14:29 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:26:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5-Aug-2016, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> > > On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:56:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Cheryl wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't care what anyone says, I think 7-11 has good coffee but only
>> > > > > when it's fresh.
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree and I've said it before. Morning 7-11 coffee is as good as it
>> > > > gets, imo. I rarely buy it though as I want my one cup first thing in
>> > > > the morning before I leave the house.
>> > >
>> > > Agree about the quality of 7-11 coffee, it's excellent. I've never
>> > > had stale coffee at the one local to me and am not concerned about it,
>> > > probably because there are so many coffee drinkers around here.
>> > > >
>> > > > I used to use a french press until I broke it. Lately, I'm using a
>> > > > 4-cup
>> > > > Mr.Coffee machine and I brew only 2 cups. My coffee is Essential
>> > > > Everyday. It's actually pretty darn good.
>> > >
>> > > I don't brew less than 4 cups of coffee, not because I drink them but
>> > > because I don't think coffee makers that are 4-12 cups brew good
>> > > coffee when it's less than 4.
>> >
>> > I agree with you there but remember, I'm not using a 4-12 cup machine.
>> > My miniature Mr.Coffee is a 4-cup machine and brewing 2 cups works
>> > fine. I'll have to dig in my bottom cabinet to see if I still have my
>> > old stovetop perculator. That made excellent coffee too.
>> Most often, I make 4 cups (20 ounces) in my Bodum Press. If I need 8 cups
>> (40 ounces), I'll use a larger press or a vacuum pot. On the very rare
>> occasion that I want only one or two cups, I have a Melitta 2-cup cone
>> brewer. I find that the right tool for the amount needed makes better
>> coffee.
>
>Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
>you have at your fingertips?

Don't judge others by yourself.

On 8/6/2016 1:14 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:26:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5-Aug-2016, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:56:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care what anyone says, I think 7-11 has good coffee but only
>>>>>> when it's fresh.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree and I've said it before. Morning 7-11 coffee is as good as it
>>>>> gets, imo. I rarely buy it though as I want my one cup first thing in
>>>>> the morning before I leave the house.
>>>>
>>>> Agree about the quality of 7-11 coffee, it's excellent. I've never
>>>> had stale coffee at the one local to me and am not concerned about it,
>>>> probably because there are so many coffee drinkers around here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to use a french press until I broke it. Lately, I'm using a
>>>>> 4-cup
>>>>> Mr.Coffee machine and I brew only 2 cups. My coffee is Essential
>>>>> Everyday. It's actually pretty darn good.
>>>>
>>>> I don't brew less than 4 cups of coffee, not because I drink them but
>>>> because I don't think coffee makers that are 4-12 cups brew good
>>>> coffee when it's less than 4.
>>>
>>> I agree with you there but remember, I'm not using a 4-12 cup machine.
>>> My miniature Mr.Coffee is a 4-cup machine and brewing 2 cups works
>>> fine. I'll have to dig in my bottom cabinet to see if I still have my
>>> old stovetop perculator. That made excellent coffee too.
>> Most often, I make 4 cups (20 ounces) in my Bodum Press. If I need 8 cups
>> (40 ounces), I'll use a larger press or a vacuum pot. On the very rare
>> occasion that I want only one or two cups, I have a Melitta 2-cup cone
>> brewer. I find that the right tool for the amount needed makes better
>> coffee.
>
> Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
> you have at your fingertips?
>
My late f-i-l collected all the different methods of coffee making
during his world travels and eventually bought a small coffee roaster. I
was subjected to all sorts of different coffee during visits, including
the impossibly strong Turkish. However, he averred that the best method
for making the most flavourful coffee, and I agreed with him on this,
was the vacuum method using glass carafe with a brandy-glass-shaped
upper container into which the coffee grounds were placed. Back in the
60s and 70s, that apparatus was called Kona in the UK and we were given
one as a wedding present. Unfortunately, the stem on the upper part
broke and we were never able to replace it.
Graham

On 2016-08-06 3:14 AM, sf wrote:

> Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
> you have at your fingertips?


WTF? Did someone get you during that time of the day?

I am sure that a lot of the regulars here have multiple coffee makers.
Most of us drink coffee and have it more than once a day and the style
of coffee we make sometimes depends on how much we are making. It is a
waste of coffee to make a whole pot of the stuff if you are only having
one cup, and I am not the only one who said recently that a making
partial pot results in an inferior result.

I currently use an espresso machine, a drip machine and two French
presses, one for four cups and one single cup size. I can't tell you
how many other coffee makers we have had over the years. We had a Pyrex
perculator, an electric perculator, a number of Melitta cones, some for
pots and some for single cups, Somewhere in the basement are two
different types of stove top espresso makers and an electric one. Then
there is the Turkish coffee pot which was used once or twice and for the
last 20 years has been on my work bench to hold miscellaneous nails and
screws.

On 2016-08-06, Dave Smith > wrote:

> different types of stove top espresso makers and an electric one.

Those are 'moka' pots, not espresso. There is a difference.

nb

Dave Smith wrote:
>sf wrote:
>
>> Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
>> you have at your fingertips?
>
>WTF? Did someone get you during that time of the day?
>
>I am sure that a lot of the regulars here have multiple coffee makers.

I must have at least a dozen coffeemakers, yet I only drink 1 1/2 mugs
in the morning... I never drink coffee for the rest of the day.

>Most of us drink coffee and have it more than once a day and the style
>of coffee we make sometimes depends on how much we are making. It is a
>waste of coffee to make a whole pot of the stuff if you are only having
>one cup, and I am not the only one who said recently that a making
>partial pot results in an inferior result.

My Cusinart ADC is a 12 cupper but also has a setting for 2-4 cups,
that's the setting I use for when it's just me... the hot water takes
about twice as long to flow through the grinds... that setting
actually makes better coffee than when making the full pot. Sometimes
I'll use that setting to brew a full pot, just takes about twice as
long as it explains that the water is double heated. It's a good unit
at a good price, it's been used every day since 10/06/2006. The only
feature I don't like is there's no water gauge on the exterior, the
fill gauge is inside and requires looking down into a dark abyss,
really need a bright LED flashlight, fortunately the glass caraffe is
calibrated. I don't bother with their water filter thingie as I use
RO filtered water... also explains why the water quality is more
important than the coffee quality:
https://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-Cen...isinart+12+cup

>I currently use an espresso machine, a drip machine and two French
>presses, one for four cups and one single cup size. I can't tell you
>how many other coffee makers we have had over the years. We had a Pyrex
>perculator, an electric perculator, a number of Melitta cones, some for
>pots and some for single cups, Somewhere in the basement are two
>different types of stove top espresso makers and an electric one. Then
>there is the Turkish coffee pot which was used once or twice and for the
>last 20 years has been on my work bench to hold miscellaneous nails and
>screws.
>

On 2016-08-06 12:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-08-06, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> different types of stove top espresso makers and an electric one.
>
> Those are 'moka' pots, not espresso. There is a difference.
>
There are commonly thought of as stove top espresso makers, and if yoy
Google stove top espresso maker they come up. The other one was a
Vesuvio <sp?> stove top espresso and capuccino maker.

On 2016-08-06, Dave Smith > wrote:

> There are commonly thought of as stove top espresso makers, and if
> yoy Google stove top espresso maker they come up.

Yeah, I know. I get into this argument all the time. From
SweetMaria's website:

"Moka Pot stovetop brewers produce a dense concentrated cup that's
something between espresso and Turkish coffee. Coffee is placed into a
filter between the lower chamber (that you fill with water) and the
upper chamber that will contain the finished beverage after
brewing. Since the water is forced through the cake of coffee by
pressure, the process bears more resemblance to espresso extraction
than infusion (gravity-based) brewing."

NOTE: "....bears more resemblance to espresso extraction
than infusion (gravity-based) brewing."

"Bearing a resemblance" to espresso does not make it espresso, any
more than "instant" bears a resemblance to real coffee.

<https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/espresso-coffee-the-science-of-quality-by-illy-and-vaini>

nb

On 2016-08-06 1:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-08-06, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> There are commonly thought of as stove top espresso makers, and if
>> yoy Google stove top espresso maker they come up.
>
> Yeah, I know. I get into this argument all the time. From
> SweetMaria's website:
>
> "Moka Pot stovetop brewers produce a dense concentrated cup that's
> something between espresso and Turkish coffee. Coffee is placed into a
> filter between the lower chamber (that you fill with water) and the
> upper chamber that will contain the finished beverage after
> brewing. Since the water is forced through the cake of coffee by
> pressure, the process bears more resemblance to espresso extraction
> than infusion (gravity-based) brewing."
>
> NOTE: "....bears more resemblance to espresso extraction
> than infusion (gravity-based) brewing."
>
> "Bearing a resemblance" to espresso does not make it espresso, any
> more than "instant" bears a resemblance to real coffee.
>
> <https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/espresso-coffee-the-science-of-quality-by-illy-and-vaini>
>



https://www.google.ca/search?q=stove...LsyijwTYqJWwCw

I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says is
really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else. It is all in the taste buds
and what an individual likes best. I will choose for myself, thanks. I find what
is very expensive and touted as the best, does not ever taste like the best to
me. I drank regular caffeinated coffee for decades before discovering the
amaretto creamer. I am old and retired so I can eat and drink what I like without
thinking about what someone else may say.

N.

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 8:46:08 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says is
> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else. It is all in the taste buds
> and what an individual likes best. I will choose for myself, thanks. I find what
> is very expensive and touted as the best, does not ever taste like the best to
> me. I drank regular caffeinated coffee for decades before discovering the
> amaretto creamer. I am old and retired so I can eat and drink what I like without
> thinking about what someone else may say.
>
> N.

That sounds rational. It's a good idea not to care about what others may say.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 8:46:08 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says
> is
> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else. It is all in the
> taste buds
> and what an individual likes best. I will choose for myself, thanks. I
> find what
> is very expensive and touted as the best, does not ever taste like the
> best to
> me. I drank regular caffeinated coffee for decades before discovering the
> amaretto creamer. I am old and retired so I can eat and drink what I like
> without
> thinking about what someone else may say.
>
> N.

That sounds rational. It's a good idea not to care about what others may
say.

----------------------

Amen to that))

btw have you ever been down this:

http://www.express.co.uk/travel/arti...angerous-viral

--
http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2016-08-06, Dave Smith > wrote:

> https://www.google.ca/search?q=stove...LsyijwTYqJWwCw

Apparently, you failed to read yer own links!

"However a typical Moka coffee is extracted at relatively low
pressures of 1 to 2 bar (100 to 200 kPa),[8] while standards for
espresso coffee specify a pressure of 9 bar (900 kPa). Therefore,
Moka coffee is not considered to be a true espresso and has different
flavour characteristics."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_pot

I usta be really deep into it. As I sed, they are NOT the same. In
fact, most espresso places can't brew a decent espresso to save their
life. When I lived in the SFBA and was really into it, I was lucky to
find 1 decent espresso in 20. Even "baristas" who can pour a decent
order and are great at "latte art", are typically clueless on what a
real espresso tastes like.

Starbucks, that "pioneer", usta use La Marzocco machines. These are
the Mercedes-Benz of manual espresso machines. About 15 yrs ago, they
dumped all their LMs fer "super-autos". Super-Autos are machines that
do it all. Grind the beans, measure the amt, brew the espresso. The
"barista" only hasta push a button. IOW, allegedly idiot-proof.

These work fine, provided the franchise keeps a maintainence guy on
hand to tweak sed machines. Once "super-autos" get a tad bit off, all
espressos suck. I traveled from CO to CA, and back. Stopped at many
roadside Starbucks fer a dbl espresso (doppio). This right after *$
changed over. They were all excellent, except one. The "one" was a
Starbucks that hadda super-auto that was outta whack. Undrinkable
swill and I tossed it.

nb

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 9:31:33 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 8:46:08 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> > I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says
> > is
> > really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else. It is all in the
> > taste buds
> > and what an individual likes best. I will choose for myself, thanks. I
> > find what
> > is very expensive and touted as the best, does not ever taste like the
> > best to
> > me. I drank regular caffeinated coffee for decades before discovering the
> > amaretto creamer. I am old and retired so I can eat and drink what I like
> > without
> > thinking about what someone else may say.
> >
> > N.
>
> That sounds rational. It's a good idea not to care about what others may
> say.
>
> ----------------------
>
> Amen to that))
>
> btw have you ever been down this:
>
> http://www.express.co.uk/travel/arti...angerous-viral
>
> --
> http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk

I have never done that. I'm a big chicken if a thrill involves gravity or centripetal forces. I wouldn't recommend that tourists try that either. My guess is that the local won't like it. Someone should write an article on the many ways to die here. My kids have done this hike. I don't think it's a good idea, myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkmRFNvcrUs

On 8/6/2016 2:46 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says is
> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else.

It's the same with booze or beer, too. People like what they like,
everything else is swill. You're better off not mentioning a brand.

nancy

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

>
> btw have you ever been down this:
>
> http://www.express.co.uk/travel/arti...angerous-viral
>

I have never done that. I'm a big chicken if a thrill involves gravity or
centripetal forces. I wouldn't recommend that tourists try that either. My
guess is that the local won't like it. Someone should write an article on
the many ways to die here. My kids have done this hike. I don't think it's a
good idea, myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkmRFNvcrUs

--------------------------------------

Very Bad Idea and not my cuppatea at all! It's the sort of thing my husband
used to do, but then he spent a lot of years jumping out of planes too(((

Beautiful scenery though.

--
http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:55:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:50:24 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/4/2016 11:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 23:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was in university just about everyone smoked it. The only harder
>>>>> drug that any of them developed problems with was alcohol. They all
>>>>> seem to have given up pot smoking.
>>>>
>>>> Strange that all would just give up. Makes me wonder why they used it
>>>> in the first place. It's very different here.
>>>>
>>>They used it because they liked it. They gave it up, JMHO, due to
>>>availability and price. In school it was easy enough to find. Once
>>>you're out of school people scatter, they're busy working, they get
>>>married, have families. Your friendly classmate with access to weed
>>>isn't right there anymore.
>>
>> Yes, I suppose so. I have lived in most parts of Australia and some
>> places it's almost impossible to avoid and others it takes some
>> seeking out. I have no such problems myself now since I grow all I
>> want.
>>
>>>Financially, what used to cost US$10-15 an ounce was suddenly priced
>>>well over $100.
>>
>> I think it's quite a bit more than $100 in the U.S now, especially the
>> legal cannabis, which is why there is still black market cannabis even
>> where it is legal. It's cheaper than the 'legit' product.
>>
>>>Not to mention, in most US States (don't know about
>>>Canada) it's still illegal.
>>
>>>Who wants to serve a long prison term for
>>>possession of what amounts to a miniscule amount of pot?
>>
>> Does that still happen in the U.S? Here in Tasmania it is technically
>> illegal but you'd have to do something pretty outrageous to attract a
>> prison sentence. I know of some here who had plants clearly visible
>> from their driveway and the cops had to confiscate it since they saw
>> it. Then again, other cops studiously ignore it... either way, you
>> only receive a 'caution' (no record of anything) and the worst case is
>> no more than a $250 fine.
>
>Depends on where you live. Pot is legal here for 21 and over. Now you will
>get in trouble if you smoke or consume it in public, although it would be
>easy enough to consume and likely nobody would notice. You can not operated
>a motor vehicle while under the influence either.
>>
>> The cops here are really not interested in cannabis, particularly
>> since the rise of meth. I know of one who actually *likes* small time
>> dealers of cannabis because he says violence goes up when supply is
>> low.
>>
>> Medicinal cannabis industry is all set to start up here now but
>> recreational use remains technically illegal.
>
>Pot shops are springing up all over here. We have just about as many as we
>do coffee stands now.

IMO it all gets a bit silly and overblown (having seen these shops on
several docos), but it'll settle down after a while to a more sensible
number once the novelty wears off.

On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:54:43 -0300, wrote:


>It started with the 'war on drugs' in the USA. Now the prisons are
>full with people caught with a little too much cannabis on them. Makes
>money for the companies running the prisons but otherwise must be a
>huge burden on the tax payer.

Don't get me started on privately run prisons. I think they're an
obscenity, profiting from human imprisonment. Notice how U.S prison
rates skyrocketed after their introduction, with almost a quarter of
the entire world's prisoners.

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:24:50 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:


>On 6-Aug-2016, sf > wrote:
>>
>> Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
>> you have at your fingertips?
>>
>Not at all; it was my way of saying - well, actually I said what I was
>saying - "the right tool for the amount needed makes better coffee"
>
>I have several pans as well; do you own and use a single saucepan or
>skillet? Should I question your motive if you say you have more than one
>pan or skillet?

You have to wonder why anyone would think in those terms to begin
with.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe") says
>is
> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else. It is all in the
> taste buds
> and what an individual likes best. I will choose for myself, thanks. I
> find what
> is very expensive and touted as the best, does not ever taste like the
> best to
> me. I drank regular caffeinated coffee for decades before discovering the
> amaretto creamer. I am old and retired so I can eat and drink what I like
> without
> thinking about what someone else may say.
>
> N.

One of the really great things about being old and retired. I have an old
time two piece drip coffee pot that makes really good coffee, but I got
tired of waiting while boiling the water to pour through it, and bought a
Bunn a few years ago. Makes coffee just fine for me with Folger's or Yuban.
I usually put my cup under the coffee stream and take the first cup out
which is pretty strong, and I've never found coffee I like better, even at a
higher price.

Cheri

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2016 2:46 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe")
>> says is
>> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else.
>
> It's the same with booze or beer, too. People like what they like,
> everything else is swill. You're better off not mentioning a brand.
>
> nancy

I think that's true with all food and drink. I don't mind people mentioning
brands, but doesn't mean that one has to try them if they're happy with what
they have.

Cheri

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:43:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:54:43 -0300, wrote:
>
>
>>It started with the 'war on drugs' in the USA. Now the prisons are
>>full with people caught with a little too much cannabis on them. Makes
>>money for the companies running the prisons but otherwise must be a
>>huge burden on the tax payer.
>
>Don't get me started on privately run prisons. I think they're an
>obscenity, profiting from human imprisonment. Notice how U.S prison
>rates skyrocketed after their introduction, with almost a quarter of
>the entire world's prisoners.

It's commercial warehousing

On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 21:24:09 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:43:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:54:43 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It started with the 'war on drugs' in the USA. Now the prisons are
>>>full with people caught with a little too much cannabis on them. Makes
>>>money for the companies running the prisons but otherwise must be a
>>>huge burden on the tax payer.
>>
>>Don't get me started on privately run prisons. I think they're an
>>obscenity, profiting from human imprisonment. Notice how U.S prison
>>rates skyrocketed after their introduction, with almost a quarter of
>>the entire world's prisoners.
>
>It's commercial warehousing

Pretty much, yes. Remember the 'kids for cash' scandal? Just
unbelievable. I was astounded there wasn't more outrage over that one.
There should have been a complete overhaul of the system after that
was revealed. At least the judges concerned were sentenced
appropriately.

A few years ago I was shocked to discover privately run prisons in
Australia. They snuck that one in quietly. The industry doesnt seem to
have anywhere near the same influence here as they do in the U.S,
fortunately.

On 8/6/2016 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/6/2016 2:46 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe")
>>> says is
>>> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else.
>>
>> It's the same with booze or beer, too. People like what they like,
>> everything else is swill. You're better off not mentioning a brand.
>>
>> nancy
>
> I think that's true with all food and drink. I don't mind people
> mentioning brands, but doesn't mean that one has to try them if they're
> happy with what they have.
>
> Cheri

I like to try others just to see what they are like. I grew up on
Skippy peanut butter, but I have tried others and come back to Skippy.
You may have seen my comments about gin. I've probably tried 15 to 20
of them so far. Only had two that I really disliked. Bourbon I usually
have one of my old favorites but another to try. I'll come back to it
if good or it may become my new favorite.

On 8/6/2016 8:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>

> One of the really great things about being old and retired. I have an
> old time two piece drip coffee pot that makes really good coffee, but I
> got tired of waiting while boiling the water to pour through it, and
> bought a Bunn a few years ago. Makes coffee just fine for me with
> Folger's or Yuban. I usually put my cup under the coffee stream and take
> the first cup out which is pretty strong, and I've never found coffee I
> like better, even at a higher price.
>
> Cheri


Have you ever tried grinding your own beans and coffee from a specialty
seller, as opposed to the supermarket? They can be quite different.

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 00:15:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/6/2016 8:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>> One of the really great things about being old and retired. I have an
>> old time two piece drip coffee pot that makes really good coffee, but I
>> got tired of waiting while boiling the water to pour through it, and
>> bought a Bunn a few years ago. Makes coffee just fine for me with
>> Folger's or Yuban. I usually put my cup under the coffee stream and take
>> the first cup out which is pretty strong, and I've never found coffee I
>> like better, even at a higher price.
>
>Have you ever tried grinding your own beans and coffee from a specialty
>seller, as opposed to the supermarket? They can be quite different.

That's the understatement of the year.

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/6/2016 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 8/6/2016 2:46 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> I think coffee is like chocolate. What one expert (or average "Joe")
> >>> says is
> >>> really good coffee, may not appeal to someone else.
> >>
> >> It's the same with booze or beer, too. People like what they like,
> >> everything else is swill. You're better off not mentioning a brand.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >
> > I think that's true with all food and drink. I don't mind people
> > mentioning brands, but doesn't mean that one has to try them if they're
> > happy with what they have.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> I like to try others just to see what they are like. I grew up on
> Skippy peanut butter, but I have tried others and come back to Skippy.
> You may have seen my comments about gin. I've probably tried 15 to 20
> of them so far. Only had two that I really disliked. Bourbon I usually
> have one of my old favorites but another to try. I'll come back to it
> if good or it may become my new favorite.

I like the new Skippy Natural Peanut Butter. It contains peanuts, sugar, palm oil, and salt. It contains no hydrogenated oils yet is pretty stable stuff. There's only a slight film or oil on the top. My guess is that they have ground down the peanuts to particles so small that it approaches a colloid instead of the usual suspension. That's all the boring stuff - the important part is that it's super smooth. Jiff makes a product like this too. That old style natural peanut butter with oil that seperates is for the boids.

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:10:33 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:24:50 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>
> >On 6-Aug-2016, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> Is this your way of bragging about how many different coffee makers
> >> you have at your fingertips?
> >>
> >Not at all; it was my way of saying - well, actually I said what I was
> >saying - "the right tool for the amount needed makes better coffee"
> >
> >I have several pans as well; do you own and use a single saucepan or
> >skillet? Should I question your motive if you say you have more than one
> >pan or skillet?
>
> You have to wonder why anyone would think in those terms to begin
> with.

I wonder why there are so many braggarts here.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/6/2016 8:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>> One of the really great things about being old and retired. I have an
>> old time two piece drip coffee pot that makes really good coffee, but I
>> got tired of waiting while boiling the water to pour through it, and
>> bought a Bunn a few years ago. Makes coffee just fine for me with
>> Folger's or Yuban. I usually put my cup under the coffee stream and take
>> the first cup out which is pretty strong, and I've never found coffee I
>> like better, even at a higher price.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> Have you ever tried grinding your own beans and coffee from a specialty
> seller, as opposed to the supermarket? They can be quite different.

I have.

Cheri