On 7/28/2016 11:59 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> Or drive it out yourself, since where I am they say you can't relocate
> the animal and they won't either. You live in an apartment Gary, so I
> doubt that squirrels in your attic doing damage, or raccoons and possum
> under the house doing damage isn't a huge worry to you since you
> wouldn't be paying for the pest damage or control. BTW, Ophelia didn't
> write the first post above, Cheryl did.

I don't think I did because this is the first time I've been able to
read more than one thread this week. I might have, I'm on a new
medication and it might have messed with my memory but the history of
this thread in my reader doesn't show anything from me.

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On 7/28/2016 12:01 PM, Cheri wrote:

> Sorry Cheryl, it was Cindy.

Thanks Cheri. You had me worried.

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On 7/28/2016 11:23 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 1:00 PM, nancy young wrote:
>>
>> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
>> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
>> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
>> us or the cat.
>>
>> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
>> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>
> This reminds me of a raccoon story from many years ago. Back when my ex
> and I were married, he went outside after it was dark, came back in to
> get something telling me a huge raccoon was getting in the trash. He
> said it was so big it was just standing on hind legs to pull trash out.
> Ex tossed one of his work boots at it, it hit the raccoon and the
> raccoon, unfazed, just stared at him. Ex just let him eat and get into
> the trash to his hearts content after that. lol

Oh, geez, they can be huge, and then it stares you down. (laugh)

You can have the garbage, I was done with it!

nancy

On 7/28/2016 4:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>
> Black Labs Matter.

OMG that made me laugh a laugh that I really needed!!!

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On 7/28/2016 4:49 PM, wrote:
> This afternoon, walking by a lake, I saw a woman throwing a frisbee
> into the water for her dog to totally enjoy retrieving. I thought it
> was a yellow lab but when it got out, it was actually a retriever and
> she had shaved it's fur (it's been very hot and humid) but left a
> lion-like mane around it's neck. Too funny for words.

Not as unusual for a cat, but I just had my Maine Coon groomed with a
Lion Cut. He has the mane, the poof at the end of his shaved tail and
all. He seems much more comfortable and he's been yacking up hairballs
and I just can't keep up with brushing him so the fur hadda go.

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On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
> They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
> lives.

Tell Julian (sorry if I misspelled his name) that he needs to put up a
sign by the drainage ditch written in critter-speak to not pass this
line for fear of death by drowning.

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On 7/28/2016 11:11 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Critters call to all their buddies, even tell them the menu.
> Birds have excellent telescopic vision, they constantly scan for
> food... you won't see them up in the tree tops but they will see you.
> As soon as I toss out birdseed dozens of birds arrive instantly, and
> ground critters watch and listen for the birds chattering and arrive
> seconds later. There are dozens of crows in the tree tops a 1/4 mile
> away, all I need do is open the sliders to my deck and they are there
> on the ground looking at me... I have them well trained... they have
> me well trained too. The crows get all the dried canned cat food
> leavings, I soak the bowls to loosen the food and toss it out for the
> crows, not a speck gets wasted. Crows eat everything, especially
> carrion, they're first on the scene to clean up roadkill.

So true about the birds! Back in an apartment I used to live in, I used
to put peanuts out for the bluejays because they were nearly tame. I'd
go out, not seeing a one in site, and put a few peanuts on the deck rail
and sure enough, one or two would come to get them within minutes. It
got to where I could be out there only a couple of feet away and they'd
still come for their peanut snack. I thought it was pretty neat!


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On 7/28/2016 12:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> I used to have a pet bluejay that would always come to the patio table
> and take peanuts from our hand. We have a pic of him sitting there with
> a tall neck Budweiser next to him. My friends didn't care for the fact
> that he would swoop in and startle them, but I loved that bird. I always
> give the jays peanuts, but now that I don't smoke anymore, not on the
> patio much, have never taken the time to tame one like "Blueboy" was. I
> hate crows and don't encourage them.

Love it!

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In article >, Gary > wrote:

> Speaking about groundhogs. The only wild ferrets are the Black footed
> ferrets and they are endangered. Their main food source is groundhogs.

Prairie dogs.

> According to this one story (below) there are very few wild ferrets left
> (300?) I don't think it's quite that bad but then maybe it is.

Black footed ferrets were considered extinct for many years during my
lifetime. Obviously, they weren't. There ain't a hell of a lot of them.
They're the mammal equivalent of the whooping crane in America.

> http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s...o_save_en.html

This website is full of s**t. They don't even know the difference
between a groundhog and a prairie dog.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-footed_ferret> should get you
started and plenty more to go to. There are about a hundred posts that
I haven't read in this thread so far. Maybe someone else downthread has
covered this.

[ObFood] I got nothing.

leo

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> I have dozens of bluejays that were born here, woodpeckers, redwing
> black birds, cardinals, and several more, even cow birds. I feed them
> all, they are all beautiful. I especially admire the crows, they are
> the smartest. The crows are large birds so they eat more but I don't
> mind, I feed them all they can eat... 50 pounds of cracked corn costs
> less than $8. I mix the premium bird seed with cracked corn, the


Crows kill the baby jays aound here occasionally, I hate crows. There used
to be two huge pine trees in my neighbors yard which was a mecca for the
crows and their constant noise, they had them cut completely down last year
and I hardly ever see or hear them anymmore. I prefer it that way.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:10:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
>> Critters call to all their buddies, even tell them the menu.
>> Birds have excellent telescopic vision, they constantly scan for
>> food... you won't see them up in the tree tops but they will see you.
>> As soon as I toss out birdseed dozens of birds arrive instantly, and
>> ground critters watch and listen for the birds chattering and arrive
>> seconds later. There are dozens of crows in the tree tops a 1/4 mile
>> away, all I need do is open the sliders to my deck and they are there
>> on the ground looking at me... I have them well trained... they have
>> me well trained too. The crows get all the dried canned cat food
>> leavings, I soak the bowls to loosen the food and toss it out for the
>> crows, not a speck gets wasted. Crows eat everything, especially
>> carrion, they're first on the scene to clean up roadkill.
>
>I used to have a pet bluejay that would always come to the patio table and
>take peanuts from our hand. We have a pic of him sitting there with a tall
>neck Budweiser next to him. My friends didn't care for the fact that he
>would swoop in and startle them, but I loved that bird. I always give the
>jays peanuts, but now that I don't smoke anymore, not on the patio much,
>have never taken the time to tame one like "Blueboy" was. I hate crows and
>don't encourage them.
>
>Cheri

I have dozens of bluejays that were born here, woodpeckers, redwing
black birds, cardinals, and several more, even cow birds. I feed them
all, they are all beautiful. I especially admire the crows, they are
the smartest. The crows are large birds so they eat more but I don't
mind, I feed them all they can eat... 50 pounds of cracked corn costs
less than $8. I mix the premium bird seed with cracked corn, the
larger birds prefer the corn. Anyway feeding critters is my only
charitable donation, critters don't steal, everyone of the rest are
thieves, you're lucky if a nickle of every dollar donated goes to help
anyone, the admins draw huge salaries. When I feed critters every
cent goes goes to the critters... critters have no pockets. Years ago
I donated to the catholic childrens organization that advertised on TV
until I discovered that they are totally phony, there are no children,
they are stealing. The letters you send are answered by adults. All
you have to do is say you want to visit the child in the picture they
send you, the child doesn't exist, there is no child to visit. When I
feed critters I never get ripped off. I hate that my tax dollars go
to supply food stamps to lazy no account *******s, especially since
they are exchanged at small mom 'n pop groceries for 75¢ on the
dollar, where they use that cash for beer and cigs.

-----------------------------------------------------
I agree about charities. We used to donate regularly and a few years ago we
came into a nice amount of money and gave one charity a good donation. We
learned later about the salaries the top bods were taking!! Never again.
It makes me angry too that all those people are volunteering in those
charities. Once they have your name and address, they constantly send
begging letters. Now they go in the bin!


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"Leonard Blaisdell" wrote in message
...

In article >, Gary > wrote:

> Speaking about groundhogs. The only wild ferrets are the Black footed
> ferrets and they are endangered. Their main food source is groundhogs.

Prairie dogs.

> According to this one story (below) there are very few wild ferrets left
> (300?) I don't think it's quite that bad but then maybe it is.

Black footed ferrets were considered extinct for many years during my
lifetime. Obviously, they weren't. There ain't a hell of a lot of them.
They're the mammal equivalent of the whooping crane in America.

> http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.s...o_save_en.html

This website is full of s**t. They don't even know the difference
between a groundhog and a prairie dog.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-footed_ferret> should get you
started and plenty more to go to. There are about a hundred posts that
I haven't read in this thread so far. Maybe someone else downthread has
covered this.

[ObFood] I got nothing.
-----------------------------

Why not?? Are you ok?

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> -----------------------------------------------------
> I agree about charities. We used to donate regularly and a few years ago
> we came into a nice amount of money and gave one charity a good donation.
> We learned later about the salaries the top bods were taking!! Never
> again. It makes me angry too that all those people are volunteering in
> those charities. Once they have your name and address, they constantly
> send begging letters. Now they go in the bin!

I got a phone call two days ago from a cackling, older sounding woman who
asked me if I was Michael? Well... Way to **** me off. I do not think I
sound like a male. She then went on to say that it didn't matter who I was,
she could still talk to me. She then went on to say that I was *really* hard
to get a hold of then laughed like she thought that was funny. Well that
****ed me off even further. One of my friends has been getting calls from
this woman. Neither of us work and we are home more often than not. So in
either case, not true but she didn't even know *who* I was! So an out and
out lie.

She went on to say something about her working for some breast cancer place.
I didn't quite catch the name but I knew it was bogus. So I snapped, "What
do you want?" Then she tried to tell me that they were the ones that sent
out post cards and I'd be getting one in the mail. I told her not to bother.
I didn't want it. I wanted to tell her that my dad worked for the REAL
breast cancer charity. That part was true. Obviously he no longer does as he
is no longer with us. But after his mom got breast cancer, he went out door
to door handing out pink ribbons. I gather they no longer do that. Anyway...

Today I get a phone call from a female who was very abrupt. Asked for
Michael. I thought it was someone he worked with as military people often
sound like that. But... He has a cell phone and gives that out as his home
number. Nobody ever calls the house asking for him unless it is some old
friend who doesn't have his cell phone number or some such thing. So I just
said he wasn't here and didn't offer to take a message.

Then she launched into almost the same spiel, telling me that it didn't
matter. She could talk to me and mentioned the bogus breast cancer thing. I
snapped at her and said that I didn't want to talk to her and Michael didn't
want to talk to her so she had better not call us again.

I don't care what people are selling or who they are collecting money for. I
don't deal with people like that who call me, come to my door or send me
stuff in the snail or e-mails. Exception being some of the animal charities
I have donated to in the past. I do donate to them once in a while if I can.
One has an account set up through Amazon and I can donate things like cat
litter, pet food, paper towels, cleaning supplies, etc. They keep a wish
list there.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> -----------------------------------------------------
> I agree about charities. We used to donate regularly and a few years ago
> we came into a nice amount of money and gave one charity a good donation.
> We learned later about the salaries the top bods were taking!! Never
> again. It makes me angry too that all those people are volunteering in
> those charities. Once they have your name and address, they constantly
> send begging letters. Now they go in the bin!

I got a phone call two days ago from a cackling, older sounding woman who
asked me if I was Michael? Well... Way to **** me off. I do not think I
sound like a male. She then went on to say that it didn't matter who I was,
she could still talk to me. She then went on to say that I was *really* hard
to get a hold of then laughed like she thought that was funny. Well that
****ed me off even further. One of my friends has been getting calls from
this woman. Neither of us work and we are home more often than not. So in
either case, not true but she didn't even know *who* I was! So an out and
out lie.

She went on to say something about her working for some breast cancer place.
I didn't quite catch the name but I knew it was bogus. So I snapped, "What
do you want?" Then she tried to tell me that they were the ones that sent
out post cards and I'd be getting one in the mail. I told her not to bother.
I didn't want it. I wanted to tell her that my dad worked for the REAL
breast cancer charity. That part was true. Obviously he no longer does as he
is no longer with us. But after his mom got breast cancer, he went out door
to door handing out pink ribbons. I gather they no longer do that. Anyway...

Today I get a phone call from a female who was very abrupt. Asked for
Michael. I thought it was someone he worked with as military people often
sound like that. But... He has a cell phone and gives that out as his home
number. Nobody ever calls the house asking for him unless it is some old
friend who doesn't have his cell phone number or some such thing. So I just
said he wasn't here and didn't offer to take a message.

Then she launched into almost the same spiel, telling me that it didn't
matter. She could talk to me and mentioned the bogus breast cancer thing. I
snapped at her and said that I didn't want to talk to her and Michael didn't
want to talk to her so she had better not call us again.

I don't care what people are selling or who they are collecting money for. I
don't deal with people like that who call me, come to my door or send me
stuff in the snail or e-mails. Exception being some of the animal charities
I have donated to in the past. I do donate to them once in a while if I can.
One has an account set up through Amazon and I can donate things like cat
litter, pet food, paper towels, cleaning supplies, etc. They keep a wish
list there.

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 00:05:16 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 7/28/2016 4:49 PM, wrote:
>> This afternoon, walking by a lake, I saw a woman throwing a frisbee
>> into the water for her dog to totally enjoy retrieving. I thought it
>> was a yellow lab but when it got out, it was actually a retriever and
>> she had shaved it's fur (it's been very hot and humid) but left a
>> lion-like mane around it's neck. Too funny for words.
>
>Not as unusual for a cat, but I just had my Maine Coon groomed with a
>Lion Cut. He has the mane, the poof at the end of his shaved tail and
>all. He seems much more comfortable and he's been yacking up hairballs
>and I just can't keep up with brushing him so the fur hadda go.

I expect he finds the heat more tolerable. My cat has short hair, had
a Persian Himalayan before and this time round when they called for me
to take this one, that was my only condition, must not have long hair

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:44:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:

> Well he could drive the possum ten miles away and release there.
> Dropping the trap in the water - - -

And then the people ten miles away can trap it and drive it back here.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 03:42:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:44:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>
>> Well he could drive the possum ten miles away and release there.
>> Dropping the trap in the water - - -
>
>And then the people ten miles away can trap it and drive it back here.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Maybe they would drive ten miles further away from you - maybe it
would not go in a trap again having learned a lesson. Whatever but
just callously dropping the trap in water with a live animal in it,
cruel.

On 7/29/2016 8:22 AM, wrote:

> Maybe they would drive ten miles further away from you - maybe it
> would not go in a trap again having learned a lesson. Whatever but
> just callously dropping the trap in water with a live animal in it,
> cruel.

That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.

nancy

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:24:48 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/29/2016 8:22 AM, wrote:
>
>> Maybe they would drive ten miles further away from you - maybe it
>> would not go in a trap again having learned a lesson. Whatever but
>> just callously dropping the trap in water with a live animal in it,
>> cruel.
>
>That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
>SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
>Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.
>
>nancy

There are ways and ways to do necessary things. My aunt who lived on
a poultry farm had outdoor cats who reproduced too rapidly from time
to time. She had a box full of cotton wool, she warmed the whole
thing in the Aga then took all save one of the kittens, put them in,
put another layer of warm cotton wool then sprinkled well with
chloroform - they never knew. The mum still had one kitten so was
not going to be in season for at least six months.

Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 7/28/2016 1:46 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >> If you see a raccoon acting really strange try to make friends with it Gary,
> >> won't you at least try? After all it's not the raccoons fault it has rabies.
> >> LOL
> >
> > You are correct. If the raccoon has rabies, it's not her fault. I say
> > her because I've had one living on my building for a few years. She's on
> > my balcony (early morning) occasionally and with a baby in springtime.
> > So far, I haven't been tempted to kill her. We share the porch. no
> > worries.
> >
> The one on your balcony has rabies?

I rarely see her but I sure hope she doesn't have rabies. If so, I would
report that in an instant. Rabies is a threat to all animals and humans.

Anyway, the few times I see her out there I stay inside. She's cute but
wild and not a friendly pet. Very pretty though...not a brown raccoon
but mostly white fur. Maybe albino?

Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 7/28/2016 2:42 PM, Gary wrote:
> > nancy young wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
> >> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
> >> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
> >> us or the cat.
> >>
> >> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
> >> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
> >
> > Funny. In my old house, that happened to me once. Early evening and I
> > was sitting in my living room. I had the front door open because the cat
> > was out somewhere. In walked a skunk. eh oh. It wandered in the door. I
> > talked soothingly to it....you don't want to scare a skunk in your
> > house. Anyway...it just walked all around investigating everything.
> > Found the cat bowls of food and water and had dinner. maybe 20-30
> > minutes later, it walked back outside and left. I closed the door until
> > later when I heard the cat meowing to get in. heheh
> >
> Brave soul. I hate to ask what you would have done if he wanted to
> explore the house more? lol

I had no choice but to sit there very still and calmly talk to the
skunk. I let it explore all it wanted to. Thank goodness I didn't have
to even cough or sneeze. The skunk was in my house so it was totally in
charge. No way did I want it to feel threatened and spray inside the
house. Can you imagine that?

Thankfully my cat didn't come home either while it was inside. As soon
as it finally wandered back outside, I closed the door. WHEW!

G.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
> SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
> Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.

A few people have jumped in saying that drowning is not so bad. LMAO.
Drown a human and see what what your penalty is.
Drown an animal and compare.
Drown YOU and see if you still think it's not so bad. sheez.

The 2 that roasted the hamster are now charged with misdemeanor
something. Facing up to one year in jail and a couple thousand in fines.
Lucky them. I would have roasted them.

IOW, I don't put human life above animal life. How dare we be so
arrogant as to think we are all that? All life is sacred. Killing for
survival is one thing. Killing for pleasure or annoyance is wrong.

Remember that Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man?"

On 7/29/2016 1:17 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Speaking about groundhogs. The only wild ferrets are the Black footed
>> ferrets and they are endangered. Their main food source is groundhogs.
>
> Prairie dogs.

You know, that really amazed me, groundhog hunting ferrets.
I thought they must be some huge or especially vicious variety,
consider how big groundhogs are.

nancy

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 12:09:04 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> > That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
> > SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
> > Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.
>
> A few people have jumped in saying that drowning is not so bad. LMAO.
> Drown a human and see what what your penalty is.
> Drown an animal and compare.
> Drown YOU and see if you still think it's not so bad. sheez.
>
> The 2 that roasted the hamster are now charged with misdemeanor
> something. Facing up to one year in jail and a couple thousand in fines.
> Lucky them. I would have roasted them.
>
> IOW, I don't put human life above animal life. How dare we be so
> arrogant as to think we are all that? All life is sacred. Killing for
> survival is one thing. Killing for pleasure or annoyance is wrong.

There's no such thing as "sacred". My hierarchy of life:

Me
My husband
Other people
Cute animals
Annoying animals
Delicious animals

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 22:55:47 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 7/27/2016 1:56 PM, Gary wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Throw it wherever you want. Mine would go into the garbage because I
>>> don't want to attract rats, raccoons, possums etc.
>>
>> Come on...all of those animals are cute and friendly if you feed them.
>> Rats are supposedly friendly but my daughter's rat bit me...*******
>> Raccoon are cool too except in Bothell.
>> Possums are super meek and friendly.
>> etc. animals have their good sides too.
>>
>I have to draw the line about feeding some outdoor animals. I used to
>put food out for stray cats and it attracted intact males and soon my
>house was peed all over because they mark their territory, and intact
>male cat pee stinks to high heaven. Yes I trapped some had some
>neutered/spayed, which is how I got Bonnie. But this area is not good
>for TNR because of the busy roads and I'd have a hard time if some
>couldn't be rehomed because I'm a sucker for cats. I don't have a barn
>or anywhere safe for letting them stay so I had to stop feeding them to
>discourage them hanging around. And yes, possums will eat cat food
>and I don't mind them, but they freaked out my indoor cats.

I suppose it depends on the situation where you live. This is very
rural, mostly farms and houses on large properties. The zoning on
this road is minimally five acres but most properties are much larger.
The feral cats here live in communities, all are fixed and are IDed by
notched ears. My regular ferals are four males and one female, all
were trapped and fixed, no odor from spraying. The only odor here is
an occasional whiff of skunk. My guys keep behind the house and
around my barn. Sometimes they hunt along my creek in front but they
never go across to the road side... there's very little traffic on
this road but if they hear a car they dash back behind the house.
Feral cats are smart, they stay out of open fields, they keep close to
hedgerows where there are trees to climb.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 12:09:04 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>> >
>> > That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
>> > SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
>> > Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.
>>
>> A few people have jumped in saying that drowning is not so bad. LMAO.
>> Drown a human and see what what your penalty is.
>> Drown an animal and compare.
>> Drown YOU and see if you still think it's not so bad. sheez.
>>
>> The 2 that roasted the hamster are now charged with misdemeanor
>> something. Facing up to one year in jail and a couple thousand in fines.
>> Lucky them. I would have roasted them.
>>
>> IOW, I don't put human life above animal life. How dare we be so
>> arrogant as to think we are all that? All life is sacred. Killing for
>> survival is one thing. Killing for pleasure or annoyance is wrong.
>
>There's no such thing as "sacred". My hierarchy of life:
>
>Me
>My husband
>Other people
>Cute animals
>Annoying animals
>Delicious animals

Where do annoying people fit in? Or do they come under the umbrella of
Other people?

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 4:58:58 PM UTC-4, axlq wrote:
> In the confusion from misplacing things in our home due to a
> reorganization of belongings, a nearly-full Costco-sized open box
> of Cheerios was hidden under something else. Thinking it had been
> consumed, we opened a SECOND huge box when my kid announced he
> wanted Cheerios for breakfast this morning. Then we discovered the
> already-open box.
>
> Both are fresh, but there's no way we'd consume all of those Cheerios
> before they go stale, so I'm wondering if there's something creative I
> can do. These are plain Cheerios, not honey-nut or other flavor.
>
> So I look online for recipes, and find that the Cheerios website
> actually has a page devoted to this: http://www.cheerios.com/recipes
>
> Not much there looks appetizing although some look interesting. Some
> seem as if they'd taste like sawdust, like the recipe about grinding
> Cheerios into flour to make pancakes (that's just weird, they start
> out as flour, and then you grind them back down? why not just
> buy some oat flour?). The lemon squares might be good. The pork
> meatballs are interesting but not practical if the Cheerios get
> disgusting











I'll open honey nut cheerios next wed.ly soggy -- anything I'd make would need to have a short
> shelf-life to consume as leftovers.
>
> Has anyone done anything interesting or tasty with Cheerios?

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/28/2016 12:13 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> > Anyway about the rabies thing...saw on the news just this morning
> > that someone caught (?) a raccoon with rabies (?) only about 12
> > blocks from my house. Never heard about that anywhere near me in
> > 40-years until now. scary.
>
> I've heard about quite a lot of rabies cases in MD recently, and
> unfortunately many of them are cats.

We had an incident with a rabid fox who attacked 2 people and
apparently a dog or so. Up around Fort Story. That is pretty much a
common problem here.

Cats generally top the list for rabies among domestics and the reason
is people in many states are not required to give rabies treatment to
cats (and many think it's silly, they just recall Old Yeller was a dog
and associate it all to dogs.)

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/resources/...ons/index.html

Start digging from there. Wildlife endemic here. Foxes, skunks, bats,
racoons are some of the top ones. Deer and moose can be affected I
think?

For domestic pets, cats, goats, horses and dogs seem the high points
(in that order but I was looking at VA specifically over several years
and we have a stray pig in there).

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemi...ents/pdf/2015h
ealthspace.pdf

Interesting, cats near wild foxes statistically here....

23 Jun 2016- Rabid racoon in VB (Pungo area of it)
http://wavy.com/2016/06/23/rabid-rac...ea-of-virginia
-beach/

21Jun2014
http://wavy.com/2014/06/21/fox-attac...ach-neighborho
od/

31Jul2015 Otter
http://pilotonline.com/news/local/he...eople-in-virgi
nia-beach-tests-positive-for/article_0d0b5c69-ba81-553a-b261-c71634b9a0b
f.html

Aug2015- racoon again
http://pilotonline.com/news/local/he...itive-for-rabi
es-in-virginia-beach/article_6a0a2c8e-f0ab-5bb3-b8b6-3e37bcb96c73.html


Most people in my city are unaware of this, but the longer term
residents know ....

Do you know the stats for your own state?
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Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/28/2016 1:46 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Cheri wrote:
> > >
> > > If you see a raccoon acting really strange try to make friends
> > > with it Gary, won't you at least try? After all it's not the
> > > raccoons fault it has rabies. LOL
> >
> > You are correct. If the raccoon has rabies, it's not her fault. I
> > say her because I've had one living on my building for a few years.
> > She's on my balcony (early morning) occasionally and with a baby in
> > springtime. So far, I haven't been tempted to kill her. We share
> > the porch. no worries.
> >
> The one on your balcony has rabies?

No, there is a huge difference in slowly socializing a wild animal to
accept a known person, and a totally unknown wild animal who doesnt run
off. The former is how we as a race domesticated some animals and the
later is a danger sign in general (though not always, Manatees for
example like people).

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Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Cheryl wrote:
> >
> > On 7/28/2016 1:46 PM, Gary wrote:
> > > Cheri wrote:
> > > >
> > >> If you see a raccoon acting really strange try to make friends
> > with it Gary, >> won't you at least try? After all it's not the
> > raccoons fault it has rabies. >> LOL
> > >
> > > You are correct. If the raccoon has rabies, it's not her fault. I
> > > say her because I've had one living on my building for a few
> > > years. She's on my balcony (early morning) occasionally and with
> > > a baby in springtime. So far, I haven't been tempted to kill
> > > her. We share the porch. no worries.
> > >
> > The one on your balcony has rabies?
>
> I rarely see her but I sure hope she doesn't have rabies. If so, I
> would report that in an instant. Rabies is a threat to all animals
> and humans.
>
> Anyway, the few times I see her out there I stay inside. She's cute
> but wild and not a friendly pet. Very pretty though...not a brown
> raccoon but mostly white fur. Maybe albino?

Could be an albino! Not all 'albinos' are totally without any
pigmentation at all.



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Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/28/2016 1:00 PM, nancy young wrote:
> >
> > I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
> > front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
> > here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
> > us or the cat.
> >
> > No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
> > smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>
> This reminds me of a raccoon story from many years ago. Back when my
> ex and I were married, he went outside after it was dark, came back
> in to get something telling me a huge raccoon was getting in the
> trash. He said it was so big it was just standing on hind legs to
> pull trash out. Ex tossed one of his work boots at it, it hit the
> raccoon and the raccoon, unfazed, just stared at him. Ex just let
> him eat and get into the trash to his hearts content after that. lol

Thar be Bears!


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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> On 7/28/2016 2:42 PM, Gary wrote:
>> > nancy young wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
>> >> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
>> >> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
>> >> us or the cat.
>> >>
>> >> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
>> >> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>> >
>> > Funny. In my old house, that happened to me once. Early evening and I
>> > was sitting in my living room. I had the front door open because the
>> > cat
>> > was out somewhere. In walked a skunk. eh oh. It wandered in the door.
>> > I
>> > talked soothingly to it....you don't want to scare a skunk in your
>> > house. Anyway...it just walked all around investigating everything.
>> > Found the cat bowls of food and water and had dinner. maybe 20-30
>> > minutes later, it walked back outside and left. I closed the door until
>> > later when I heard the cat meowing to get in. heheh
>> >
>> Brave soul. I hate to ask what you would have done if he wanted to
>> explore the house more? lol
>
> I had no choice but to sit there very still and calmly talk to the
> skunk. I let it explore all it wanted to. Thank goodness I didn't have
> to even cough or sneeze. The skunk was in my house so it was totally in
> charge. No way did I want it to feel threatened and spray inside the
> house. Can you imagine that?
>
> Thankfully my cat didn't come home either while it was inside. As soon
> as it finally wandered back outside, I closed the door. WHEW!

I had a squirrel come in when I was moving out. I had moved as much as I
could, myself, every day after work. Now I was down to just the large pieces
that wouldn't fit in my car. Mover had the door open. I was sitting in a
rocking chair and saw the squirrel run in. I just spoke calmly to it,
telling it that it didn't live there and needed to go back outside. Although
inside I was freaking, envisioning the damage it might cause. It just looked
at me and ran back out.

google tv and google groups both suck

On 7/29/2016 6:42 PM, cshenk wrote:

> Cats generally top the list for rabies among domestics and the reason
> is people in many states are not required to give rabies treatment to
> cats (and many think it's silly, they just recall Old Yeller was a dog
> and associate it all to dogs.)

Cats are required to be current on rabies shots in MD but the only way
that can be enforced is if people actually take their cat to a vet. I
imagine there are many who don't but my vet requires it and she's also
required to report vaccinations to the county. Due to being reported,
my city makes me pay registration fees for my cats like people have to
register dogs. Now that is silly to me but there you go. I haven't seen
a bill come in a few years so maybe they stopped that practice and I was
surprised the first time I got a bill for my cats from the city I live in.

When Shamrock was alive I was always able to have rabies shots and all
other vaccinations waived because for almost his whole life he had
autoimmune problems and the vets agreed vaccinations could have
complications. But then my current vet had to go through a lot of
trouble for not enforcing vaccinations for just those very reasons and
she had to pay a lot of money in fees. Because of that she'd only waive
rabies shots if the cat was running a fever was brought in and was due.
That was the case for Shamrock on one of his visits when he hadn't had a
shot in about 10 or more years and I got to hear the whole ugly story.
But once he was well enough, he was required to be vaccinated,
autoimmune problems or no.

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Cheryl

On 7/29/2016 11:42 AM, Gary wrote:

> I had no choice but to sit there very still and calmly talk to the
> skunk. I let it explore all it wanted to. Thank goodness I didn't have
> to even cough or sneeze. The skunk was in my house so it was totally in
> charge. No way did I want it to feel threatened and spray inside the
> house. Can you imagine that?
>
> Thankfully my cat didn't come home either while it was inside. As soon
> as it finally wandered back outside, I closed the door. WHEW!

One more reason I'm glad my cats are indoor cats and happy with it. I
used to have an indoor/outdoor cat and it was annoying having to wait up
for him to decide to come home. I didn't leave any doors open but he
knew which window to come scratching at to tell me he was ready to come
in.

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Cheryl

On 7/29/2016 6:28 AM, wrote:

> I expect he finds the heat more tolerable. My cat has short hair, had
> a Persian Himalayan before and this time round when they called for me
> to take this one, that was my only condition, must not have long hair
>

Aww, I'm glad you took him/her in! I don't think I'll have a long haired
cat again, but it depends on what comes my way. I've never gone out
seeking a new cat, they always seem to find me. lol

And I meant to write that the retriever with a lion cut story was
hilarious! I would have been surprised by that one, too.

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Cheryl

On 7/29/2016 4:52 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I suppose it depends on the situation where you live. This is very
> rural, mostly farms and houses on large properties. The zoning on
> this road is minimally five acres but most properties are much larger.
> The feral cats here live in communities, all are fixed and are IDed by
> notched ears. My regular ferals are four males and one female, all
> were trapped and fixed, no odor from spraying. The only odor here is
> an occasional whiff of skunk. My guys keep behind the house and
> around my barn. Sometimes they hunt along my creek in front but they
> never go across to the road side... there's very little traffic on
> this road but if they hear a car they dash back behind the house.
> Feral cats are smart, they stay out of open fields, they keep close to
> hedgerows where there are trees to climb.

I know, and I envy your location to be able to do all that, and I enjoy
the pictures of your colony. Feral and strays around here don't fare so
well because I see too many dead on the roads.

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> There's no such thing as "sacred". My hierarchy of life:
>
> Me
> My husband
> Other people
> Cute animals
> Annoying animals
> Delicious animals

lol

On 7/29/2016 10:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 12:09:04 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> That would get you jail time, here. To the extreme, the local
>>> SPCA chief prosecuted a man for killing rats in his gardens.
>>> Drowning a wild animal would be seen as cruelty.
>>
>> A few people have jumped in saying that drowning is not so bad. LMAO.
>> Drown a human and see what what your penalty is.
>> Drown an animal and compare.
>> Drown YOU and see if you still think it's not so bad. sheez.
>>
>> The 2 that roasted the hamster are now charged with misdemeanor
>> something. Facing up to one year in jail and a couple thousand in fines.
>> Lucky them. I would have roasted them.
>>
>> IOW, I don't put human life above animal life. How dare we be so
>> arrogant as to think we are all that? All life is sacred. Killing for
>> survival is one thing. Killing for pleasure or annoyance is wrong.
>
> There's no such thing as "sacred". My hierarchy of life:
>
> Me
> My husband
> Other people
> Cute animals
> Annoying animals
> Delicious animals
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Thank God for delicious animals. Rest assured that I would never eat my
wife or kids because that's just the kind of guy I am - well, unless
they were really super-delicious.

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/29/2016 6:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Cats generally top the list for rabies among domestics and the
> > reason is people in many states are not required to give rabies
> > treatment to cats (and many think it's silly, they just recall Old
> > Yeller was a dog and associate it all to dogs.)
>
> Cats are required to be current on rabies shots in MD but the only
> way that can be enforced is if people actually take their cat to a
> vet. I imagine there are many who don't but my vet requires it and
> she's also required to report vaccinations to the county. Due to
> being reported, my city makes me pay registration fees for my cats
> like people have to register dogs. Now that is silly to me but there
> you go. I haven't seen a bill come in a few years so maybe they
> stopped that practice and I was surprised the first time I got a bill
> for my cats from the city I live in.
>
> When Shamrock was alive I was always able to have rabies shots and
> all other vaccinations waived because for almost his whole life he
> had autoimmune problems and the vets agreed vaccinations could have
> complications. But then my current vet had to go through a lot of
> trouble for not enforcing vaccinations for just those very reasons
> and she had to pay a lot of money in fees. Because of that she'd only
> waive rabies shots if the cat was running a fever was brought in and
> was due. That was the case for Shamrock on one of his visits when he
> hadn't had a shot in about 10 or more years and I got to hear the
> whole ugly story. But once he was well enough, he was required to be
> vaccinated, autoimmune problems or no.

True, and many do not ever take a cat to the vet after initial
spay/neuter. In my state, a vet can not treat an animal without
vaccination records or ability to validate a waiver.\\

If you track the records back, California used to have a very low pet
incidence then they stopped vaccinating and it's risen to almost 1/2 my
550-600 a year rates (includes wildlife).

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