Dave, your story about saving a possum with front tires only to kill it with the back ones
is kinda funny. It reminds me of a friend's story about trying to rescue a chipmunk
which got inside her fenced-in pool area and was frantically trying to get out. She
managed to corner it and caught it using a butterfly net (she didn't want her Yorkie
chasing it and killing it). She tenderly took it out of the net and heaved it over the
fence....well, almost. She didn't throw high enough. She pitched it solidly against the
board fence and accidentally killed it. She was mortified.

I applauded her effort to save the little critter, but it was a funny story.

N.

On 7/30/2016 10:39 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Dave, your story about saving a possum with front tires only to kill it with the back ones
> is kinda funny. It reminds me of a friend's story about trying to rescue a chipmunk
> which got inside her fenced-in pool area and was frantically trying to get out. She
> managed to corner it and caught it using a butterfly net (she didn't want her Yorkie
> chasing it and killing it). She tenderly took it out of the net and heaved it over the
> fence....well, almost. She didn't throw high enough. She pitched it solidly against the
> board fence and accidentally killed it. She was mortified.

Bummer! She'd probably have found it in the skimmer the next day
anyway, if she didn't rescue it.

One time I was driving home in commuter traffic. I don't think anyone
here knows the Garden State Parkway by the 440 interchange but it is
wide and cars at that time of the day are practically bumper to bumper
going about 80. Not for amateurs.

I was in the middle lane when a quail type of bird (already a what the
hell?) walked in front of my car. It had actually crossed two lanes in
that traffic, a miracle. All I had time to do was center my tires and
hope for the best.

Cleared the front, but the back was lower. Very upsetting. It was no
place for an animal of any kind.

nancy

On 7/29/2016 6:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2016 1:46 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you see a raccoon acting really strange try to make friends
>>> with it Gary, >> won't you at least try? After all it's not the
>>> raccoons fault it has rabies. >> LOL
>>>>
>>>> You are correct. If the raccoon has rabies, it's not her fault. I
>>>> say her because I've had one living on my building for a few
>>>> years. She's on my balcony (early morning) occasionally and with
>>>> a baby in springtime. So far, I haven't been tempted to kill
>>>> her. We share the porch. no worries.
>>>>
>>> The one on your balcony has rabies?
>>
>> I rarely see her but I sure hope she doesn't have rabies. If so, I
>> would report that in an instant. Rabies is a threat to all animals
>> and humans.
>>
>> Anyway, the few times I see her out there I stay inside. She's cute
>> but wild and not a friendly pet. Very pretty though...not a brown
>> raccoon but mostly white fur. Maybe albino?
>
> Could be an albino! Not all 'albinos' are totally without any
> pigmentation at all.
>
I've seen a few "gold" (light furred) raccoons. They still have obvious
darker stripes and a mask, though. To call them albino would be a misnomer.

Jill

On 7/28/2016 11:16 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 12:13 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> Anyway about the rabies thing...saw on the news just this morning that
>> someone caught (?) a raccoon with rabies (?) only about 12 blocks from
>> my house. Never heard about that anywhere near me in 40-years until now.
>> scary.
>
> I've heard about quite a lot of rabies cases in MD recently, and
> unfortunately many of them are cats.
>
There was a report of a rabid raccoon on Dataw a couple of years ago.
It was trapped by animal control and confirmed. There don't appear to
be a bunch of rabid raccoons running around (who knows how it contracted
the disease?). Still, this is one reason I do not believe in letting
cats and dogs run around loose outside. We cannot control what wild
animals encounter. We can certainly control what happens to our pets.

Jill

On 7/28/2016 1:00 PM, nancy young wrote:
>
> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
> us or the cat.
>
> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>
> nancy

IIRC it was after the watermelon rinds. Who knew skunks liked
watermelon? (laugh)

Around here, skinks [lizards], yes. Skunks, never encountered one.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/28/2016 1:00 PM, nancy young wrote:
>>
>> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
>> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
>> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
>> us or the cat.
>>
>> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
>> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>>
>> nancy
>
> IIRC it was after the watermelon rinds. Who knew skunks liked watermelon?
> (laugh)
>
> Around here, skinks [lizards], yes. Skunks, never encountered one.
>
> Jill

I was sprayed by one when I was a kid, ruined my turqouise blue skirt too.
God awful!!!

Cheri

On 7/28/2016 11:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 2:42 PM, Gary wrote:
>> nancy young wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been amazed at how self possessed skunks are. I opened the
>>> front door to find a skunk righthere and he was all Heey. Eatin'
>>> here. Not nervous or looking to spray at all. Did not care about
>>> us or the cat.
>>>
>>> No, I didn't try to shoo it away or anything. I know that polecat
>>> smell. Don't need it by my front door.
>>
>> Funny. In my old house, that happened to me once. Early evening and I
>> was sitting in my living room. I had the front door open because the cat
>> was out somewhere. In walked a skunk. eh oh. It wandered in the door. I
>> talked soothingly to it....you don't want to scare a skunk in your
>> house. Anyway...it just walked all around investigating everything.
>> Found the cat bowls of food and water and had dinner. maybe 20-30
>> minutes later, it walked back outside and left. I closed the door until
>> later when I heard the cat meowing to get in. heheh
>>
> Brave soul. I hate to ask what you would have done if he wanted to
> explore the house more? lol
>
Or perhaps if the skunk had decided to curl up for a nap? LOL

I cannot discount this Gary tale because I've had a couple of encounters
with wild critters in my home. They were birds, not four legged critters.

The most notable was the "utility closet incident". It was at the end
of a hallway next to the guest bathroom and contained the guts of the
apartment HVAC unit) One evening I heard a clatter. (So I leaped from
my chair to see what was the matter! LOL) Eventually I heard cheeping
sounds. I opened the utility closet door. Out hopped a fledgling
starling. Surprise! It was comical. Uh, hi bird!

After extraordinary measures feeding and tending to it, I set it out
behind the apartment under some shrubs. It still couldn't quite fly.
But I think the mother found him. I went out a few hours later and the
bird wasn't there. No blood or feathers, either. I looked all around,
the baby wasn't anywhere around. I like to think the mother bird
finally came down and coaxed him into flying. That's one thing some
birds are good at: teaching their young.

Jill

On 7/30/2016 9:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> The most notable was the "utility closet incident". It was at the end
> of a hallway next to the guest bathroom and contained the guts of the
> apartment HVAC unit) One evening I heard a clatter. (So I leaped from
> my chair to see what was the matter! LOL) Eventually I heard cheeping
> sounds. I opened the utility closet door. Out hopped a fledgling
> starling. Surprise! It was comical. Uh, hi bird!
>
> After extraordinary measures feeding and tending to it, I set it out
> behind the apartment under some shrubs. It still couldn't quite fly.
> But I think the mother found him. I went out a few hours later and the
> bird wasn't there. No blood or feathers, either. I looked all around,
> the baby wasn't anywhere around. I like to think the mother bird
> finally came down and coaxed him into flying. That's one thing some
> birds are good at: teaching their young.

I happened to have my family over one day, everyone was out back hanging
out. I went inside for something and heard a noise in
the fireplace. Oh, look, a little sparrow, I got it to hop
onto my finger and took it outside. The look on my father's face
was comical, like You go inside for ketchup and come out with a
wild bird. The mother swooped right in and they flew off together.

nancy

On 7/29/2016 7:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> One more reason I'm glad my cats are indoor cats and happy with it. I
> used to have an indoor/outdoor cat and it was annoying having to wait up
> for him to decide to come home. I didn't leave any doors open but he
> knew which window to come scratching at to tell me he was ready to come
> in.
>
I used to cat-sit for a neighbor with two indoor/outdoor cats. One
didn't much care if he got to go outside so I didn't force him. Inside
was so much more comfy. The other cat demanded it. There was many a
night I couldn't get that darn cat to come inside until nearly 11PM.
I'd keep going next door and calling for him. The neighbor told me just
to leave the slider open a bit. I told her I was concerned if I did
that some other critter might wander in.

One day she let him out and he was gone for a couple of days. She was
worried sick. She was outside calling for him constantly. When he
finally did make it home it appeared he'd had some sort of seizure. She
said he walked right into a wall; he couldn't see. I hate to think how
scared he must have been. Outside, alone, trying to find his way home
with only her voice to guide him.

Jill

On 7/30/2016 11:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/30/2016 9:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The most notable was the "utility closet incident". It was at the end
>> of a hallway next to the guest bathroom and contained the guts of the
>> apartment HVAC unit) One evening I heard a clatter. (So I leaped from
>> my chair to see what was the matter! LOL) Eventually I heard cheeping
>> sounds. I opened the utility closet door. Out hopped a fledgling
>> starling. Surprise! It was comical. Uh, hi bird!
>>
>> After extraordinary measures feeding and tending to it, I set it out
>> behind the apartment under some shrubs. It still couldn't quite fly.
>> But I think the mother found him. I went out a few hours later and the
>> bird wasn't there. No blood or feathers, either. I looked all around,
>> the baby wasn't anywhere around. I like to think the mother bird
>> finally came down and coaxed him into flying. That's one thing some
>> birds are good at: teaching their young.
>
> I happened to have my family over one day, everyone was out back hanging
> out. I went inside for something and heard a noise in
> the fireplace. Oh, look, a little sparrow, I got it to hop
> onto my finger and took it outside. The look on my father's face
> was comical, like You go inside for ketchup and come out with a
> wild bird. The mother swooped right in and they flew off together.
>
> nancy

That little starling hopped right up on my finger, too. Funny how
trusting they are. One day I was sitting on my bed reading when a bird
came zooming in from the living room and flew back out again. I had two
parakeets at the time so my first thought was one of them got out of the
cage. Nope, it was a sparrow. I opened the back door and said hey, you
need to leave. It did.

Jill

On 7/28/2016 11:11 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Critters call to all their buddies, even tell them the menu.
> Birds have excellent telescopic vision, they constantly scan for
> food... you won't see them up in the tree tops but they will see you.
> As soon as I toss out birdseed dozens of birds arrive instantly, and
> ground critters watch and listen for the birds chattering and arrive
> seconds later.
(snippage)

Ain't that the truth! Birds are always watching and they tell their
friends and family. I don't scatter seed in the hot months; plenty
of natural food sources for them. But they need fresh water! I keep
the small bird bath clean and filled. They let their friends know about
that, too. Many a time I've seen tufted titmice splashing away. Starts
with one titmouse, then others arrive. Sometimes even small house
finches and purple finches (which aren't purple at all) join in the fun.

The most startling was the year I looked out and there were a bunch of
North Eastern Bluebirds having a pool party.

http://tinyurl.com/h4y3uee

The bright blue feathers on their wings is truly stunning!

The hummingbirds always know when I've just cleaned and refilled their
feeder. They're out there, watching. I have a saucer-type feeder.
BTW, I've found the best tool for cleaning the basin and the sipping
ports is a denture brush. (No, I don't wear dentures, Mom did.)

Jill

On 7/28/2016 9:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> t is a small target, and after they kill it they have to dispose of the
> carcass.
> We had a bit of a horror story over a rabid animal last winter. Somebody
> had called about a rabid coyote. The cop car came along and saw the
> coyote and hit it with his cruiser. Then he got out and shot the
> disabled animal. I can see two sides to it. Yes, it sounds like a cruel
> and heartless way to put down a dangerous animal. OTOH, there was the
> risk of a reportedly rabid coyote escaping into the neighbourhood. I
> find it difficult to fault the cop for making a quick decision to remove
> a thread to the community. Unfortunately, it turned out that the animal
> that was struck and then shot was not a coyote. It was a very old, blind
> dog that looked like a coyote and who had wandered away from the owner's
> property.

It's sad, but where was the owner who should have kept a very old, blind
dog indoors? Walked it on a leash when it needed to go out to poop and
pee? I'm sorry but I blame the owner for letting this poor blind dog
out. He should have been right there with it.

Jill

On 7/28/2016 12:58 PM, nancy young wrote:
> The poor thing. I blame the owner for leaving a blind dog to
> wander.

GMTA. Who the hell lets an old blind dog out to just wander around?

Jill

On 7/28/2016 4:21 PM, notbob wrote:
> Heck, I usta watch a rescue-abused-dogs reality show on TV. I thought
> it was the SPCA. I feared my mom's little dog was in dire peril from
> my mom's impaired judgement and jes wanted some help and/or advice.
> They blew me off. Whatever it was, I'm happy to tell y'all the dog
> survived.
>
> At least fer a couple more yrs. Looking back, I suspect it was the
> beginning of the poor dog's kidney problems, as I eventually hadda put
> her on a special kidney diet and finally put her down. Hey, the dog
> lived to a ripe ol' 17+ yrs. She was a good dog.

Yeah, but you didn't say that at first. Slow down on the bourbon or
whatever, friend. Your posts are not all that coherent.

Jill

On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:14:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> I know Gary wouldn't do this, but my husband would stick the
>>> Havahart trap with the possum still in it into a big container
>>> of water. He'd rather shoot it with his .22 (which would be quicker
>>> and thus more humane, but doesn't want to risk skipping a round off
>>> into the neighborhood behind us.
>>
>> Oh dear lord. Are you kidding me? You catch it in an animal friendly
>> trap but then drown it? How unfriendly is that? I suppose that saves him
>> some gasoline money though. Use that for the lawnmower.
>
> The alternative would be a leg-hold trap, which is both inhumane
> and illegal.

WOW. Drowning animals that were caught in a trap & release trap is
humane and legal?! You must be crazy.

> They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
> They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
> lives.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Did you expect the animals to know not cross the drainage ditch? Sorry,
the wild animals didn't go to school to study boundary maps. They go
where they can forage. And you're nuts.

Jill

On 2016-07-31, jmcquown > wrote:

> I don't scatter seed in the hot months; plenty of natural food
> sources for them.

Thank you!

It's astonishing how many ppl are clueless about birds AND
plants. "Honey, let's buy a bird feeder and help the birds".

In the meantime, thousands of real seeds have been prepared by Dog
knows how many plants and energy conserved for displaying new flowers
and whatnot, to attract these birds for this renewal-fest that is
Spring.

Then, some dolt, lured by the cheap feeders, sold by the bird feeder
industry, throws up a mega feeding station, which then lures thousands
of birds to their doom! Squirrels, chipmonks, cats --both domestic
and feral--, get free birdy dinners and the plants get neglected.
I've seen it happen. And fer what? The birds get irradiated sterile
seeds, and Walmart and the bird seed industry get yer sheckels?

Where's all the outraged vegetarians?

nb

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:14:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know Gary wouldn't do this, but my husband would stick the
> >>> Havahart trap with the possum still in it into a big container
> >>> of water. He'd rather shoot it with his .22 (which would be quicker
> >>> and thus more humane, but doesn't want to risk skipping a round off
> >>> into the neighborhood behind us.
> >>
> >> Oh dear lord. Are you kidding me? You catch it in an animal friendly
> >> trap but then drown it? How unfriendly is that? I suppose that saves him
> >> some gasoline money though. Use that for the lawnmower.
> >
> > The alternative would be a leg-hold trap, which is both inhumane
> > and illegal.
>
> WOW. Drowning animals that were caught in a trap & release trap is
> humane and legal?! You must be crazy.
>
> > They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
> > They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
> > lives.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Did you expect the animals to know not cross the drainage ditch? Sorry,
> the wild animals didn't go to school to study boundary maps. They go
> where they can forage. And you're nuts.

The other side of the drainage ditch is a manufactured home community,
not a wild animal habitat.

We got a skunk (or perhaps two) this morning. I wasn't involved, since
I'm not nuts and I don't kill animals. Except for the time I dispatched
a purple finch that had flown into the patio door and was obviously
in extreme distress and from which it never would recover. I cried
like a baby as I laid a newspaper over it (so I wouldn't have to see
it die) and hit it with a shovel. My husband was out of town, or he
would have taken care of it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/31/2016 10:39 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-07-31, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I don't scatter seed in the hot months; plenty of natural food
>> sources for them.
>
> Thank you!
>
> It's astonishing how many ppl are clueless about birds AND
> plants. "Honey, let's buy a bird feeder and help the birds".
>
> In the meantime, thousands of real seeds have been prepared by Dog
> knows how many plants and energy conserved for displaying new flowers
> and whatnot, to attract these birds for this renewal-fest that is
> Spring.
>
> Then, some dolt, lured by the cheap feeders, sold by the bird feeder
> industry, throws up a mega feeding station, which then lures thousands
> of birds to their doom! Squirrels, chipmonks, cats --both domestic
> and feral--, get free birdy dinners and the plants get neglected.
> I've seen it happen. And fer what? The birds get irradiated sterile
> seeds, and Walmart and the bird seed industry get yer sheckels?
>
> Where's all the outraged vegetarians?
>
> nb
>


Bird Lives Matter.

On 2016-07-31 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> WOW. Drowning animals that were caught in a trap & release trap is
> humane and legal?! You must be crazy.
>
>> They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
>> They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
>> lives.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Did you expect the animals to know not cross the drainage ditch? Sorry,
> the wild animals didn't go to school to study boundary maps. They go
> where they can forage. And you're nuts.


That leads me to wonder what people here do about vermin in their houses
and on their property... mice, rates, flies, maggots, roaches. I swat
flies. I spray for moths and other insects. I used wasp and hornet
sprays on their nests. If I see signs of mice in the house I bait and
set traps and mouse bait. Ground hogs are shot. Thank goodness we do not
have a problem with skunks here.

On 2016-07-31 1:48 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> We got a skunk (or perhaps two) this morning. I wasn't involved, since
> I'm not nuts and I don't kill animals. Except for the time I dispatched
> a purple finch that had flown into the patio door and was obviously
> in extreme distress and from which it never would recover. I cried
> like a baby as I laid a newspaper over it (so I wouldn't have to see
> it die) and hit it with a shovel. My husband was out of town, or he
> would have taken care of it.
>
I hate to tell you, but you can't be too sure about a bird's chances of
recovery. I have seen birds go down after hard window strikes but they
got up, dusted themselves off and flew away. Broken bones can heal.
Most of those birds are young and young bones mend quickly. A birds
broken bones can mend within a week.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:08:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-07-31 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> WOW. Drowning animals that were caught in a trap & release trap is
>> humane and legal?! You must be crazy.
>>
>>> They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
>>> They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
>>> lives.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Did you expect the animals to know not cross the drainage ditch? Sorry,
>> the wild animals didn't go to school to study boundary maps. They go
>> where they can forage. And you're nuts.
>
>
>That leads me to wonder what people here do about vermin in their houses

They file for divorce and place their kids up for adoption.

On 31 Jul 2016 17:39:42 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-07-31, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I don't scatter seed in the hot months; plenty of natural food
>> sources for them.
>
>Thank you!
>
>It's astonishing how many ppl are clueless about birds AND
>plants. "Honey, let's buy a bird feeder and help the birds".
>
>In the meantime, thousands of real seeds have been prepared by Dog
>knows how many plants and energy conserved for displaying new flowers
>and whatnot, to attract these birds for this renewal-fest that is
>Spring.
>
>Then, some dolt, lured by the cheap feeders, sold by the bird feeder
>industry, throws up a mega feeding station, which then lures thousands
>of birds to their doom! Squirrels, chipmonks, cats --both domestic
>and feral--, get free birdy dinners and the plants get neglected.
>I've seen it happen. And fer what? The birds get irradiated sterile
>seeds, and Walmart and the bird seed industry get yer sheckels?
>
>Where's all the outraged vegetarians?
>
>nb

I buy my bird seed at the Wild Bird Shop = seed which is specifically
for the birds here. We don`t have birds who eat corn, so there is
none of that common filler for starters.

I feed them in winter because life is hard for them but I feed them in
summer because they are grateful to find the help when they are
working overtime feeding nestlings. Since I feed them on my balcony
the only cat who could get them is mine and she is not there unless I
am. Even so, sometimes we are out there my favourite woodpecker will
alight and take what she needs for her nestlings in perfect safety.

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-07-31 1:48 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > We got a skunk (or perhaps two) this morning. I wasn't involved, since
> > I'm not nuts and I don't kill animals. Except for the time I dispatched
> > a purple finch that had flown into the patio door and was obviously
> > in extreme distress and from which it never would recover. I cried
> > like a baby as I laid a newspaper over it (so I wouldn't have to see
> > it die) and hit it with a shovel. My husband was out of town, or he
> > would have taken care of it.
> >
> I hate to tell you, but you can't be too sure about a bird's chances of
> recovery. I have seen birds go down after hard window strikes but they
> got up, dusted themselves off and flew away. Broken bones can heal.
> Most of those birds are young and young bones mend quickly. A birds
> broken bones can mend within a week.

It was extremely bent. Looked like a broken neck. It couldn't
articulate its wings at all, and seemed to be in a great deal
of pain and distress. I couldn't bring myself to leave it like that.
It was the shovel, or else one of the neighborhood cats would have
gotten it, much more slowly.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/31/2016 11:17 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:08:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-07-31 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2016 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> WOW. Drowning animals that were caught in a trap & release trap is
>>> humane and legal?! You must be crazy.
>>>
>>>> They only are trapped if they come near the house. We have two acres.
>>>> They can stay in the back by the drainage ditch without risking their
>>>> lives.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Did you expect the animals to know not cross the drainage ditch? Sorry,
>>> the wild animals didn't go to school to study boundary maps. They go
>>> where they can forage. And you're nuts.
>>
>>
>> That leads me to wonder what people here do about vermin in their houses
>
> They file for divorce and place their kids up for adoption.
>

or run for president.

On 2016-07-31, > wrote:

> I buy my bird seed at the Wild Bird Shop = seed which is specifically
> for the birds here. We don`t have birds who eat corn, so there is
> none of that common filler for starters.
>
> I feed them in winter because life is hard for them but I feed them in
> summer because they are grateful to find the help when they are
> working overtime feeding nestlings. Since I feed them on my balcony
> the only cat who could get them is mine and she is not there unless I
> am. Even so, sometimes we are out there my favourite woodpecker will
> alight and take what she needs for her nestlings in perfect safety.

Let me get this straight. Yer an avowed plant murderer and are
pitifully attempting to justify yer position? Tsk, tsk, LB.

nb

On 31 Jul 2016 19:29:54 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-07-31, > wrote:
>
>> I buy my bird seed at the Wild Bird Shop = seed which is specifically
>> for the birds here. We don`t have birds who eat corn, so there is
>> none of that common filler for starters.
>>
>> I feed them in winter because life is hard for them but I feed them in
>> summer because they are grateful to find the help when they are
>> working overtime feeding nestlings. Since I feed them on my balcony
>> the only cat who could get them is mine and she is not there unless I
>> am. Even so, sometimes we are out there my favourite woodpecker will
>> alight and take what she needs for her nestlings in perfect safety.
>
>Let me get this straight. Yer an avowed plant murderer and are
>pitifully attempting to justify yer position? Tsk, tsk, LB.
>
>nb

Not understanding why I am a plant murderer, have great flowers etc on
my balcony and another flower bed I maintain near my dining room
window. I`m not trying to justify anything, tsk tsk nb

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:26:45 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>manually.

Google groups and Microsoft Windows Live Mail are the worst offenders.
At least with google groups it appears to be user laziness/ignorance,
because Cindy uses Google groups and her posts always look fine.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
>> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>> manually.
>>
>> --
>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
>> Cheryl
>
>The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!

But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:52:17 AM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
> >> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
> >> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
> >> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
> >> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
> >> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
> >> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
> >> manually.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ?.虜.?*�*?
> >> Cheryl
> >
> >The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
>
> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.

I'm just dishing out the facts, not opinions, nor do I control the actions of other people.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:52:17 AM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
>> >> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>> >> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>> >> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>> >> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>> >> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>> >> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>> >> manually.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ?.?.?*?*?
>> >> Cheryl
>> >
>> >The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
>>
>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>
>I'm just dishing out the facts, not opinions, nor do I control the actions of other people.

Yeah, that makes sense. As usual.

On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
>>> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>>> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>>> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>>> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>>> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>>> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>>> manually.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
>>> Cheryl
>>
>> The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
>
> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>


Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:03:51 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>
> Yeah, that makes sense. As usual.

Vacuous and pointless. As usual.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:13:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
>>>> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>>>> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>>>> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>>>> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>>>> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>>>> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>>>> manually.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
>>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
>>
>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>
>Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?

I don't use mobile devices so I can't recommend one based on personal
experience, sorry. I did do a search in respect to my last post and
there were a few options available.

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
> >>> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
> >>> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
> >>> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
> >>> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
> >>> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
> >>> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
> >>> manually.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
> >>> Cheryl
> >>
> >> The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
> >
> > But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
> > for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
> >
>
>
> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?

These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:39:41 -0300, wrote:

>On 31 Jul 2016 19:29:54 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-07-31, > wrote:
>>
>>> I buy my bird seed at the Wild Bird Shop = seed which is specifically
>>> for the birds here. We don`t have birds who eat corn, so there is
>>> none of that common filler for starters.
>>>
>>> I feed them in winter because life is hard for them but I feed them in
>>> summer because they are grateful to find the help when they are
>>> working overtime feeding nestlings. Since I feed them on my balcony
>>> the only cat who could get them is mine and she is not there unless I
>>> am. Even so, sometimes we are out there my favourite woodpecker will
>>> alight and take what she needs for her nestlings in perfect safety.
>>
>>Let me get this straight. Yer an avowed plant murderer and are
>>pitifully attempting to justify yer position? Tsk, tsk, LB.
>>
>>nb
>
>Not understanding why I am a plant murderer, have great flowers etc on
>my balcony and another flower bed I maintain near my dining room
>window. I`m not trying to justify anything, tsk tsk nb

I feed birds all year. I buy bird seed in 50 lb sacks from the local
feed and grain store. The birds find food in warm weather but by my
putting our bird seed I keep the those birds that were born here from
moving elsewhere.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>
>These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.

Yeah, sure it does you dickhead. Just look at your mangled reply
above. 'Hee hee'.

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
> >
> >These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.
>
> Yeah, sure it does you dickhead. Just look at your mangled reply
> above. 'Hee hee'.

Let's face it, the only thing you got left is making nasty personal remarks in order to garner a little attention. That's just plain pathetic but you're easy enough to ignore.

The jury is still out on whether race-baiting is even more sadder. My guess is yoose guys is equally despicable but that's just me.

Hee-hee.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> >> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>> >
>> >These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.
>>
>> Yeah, sure it does you dickhead. Just look at your mangled reply
>> above. 'Hee hee'.
>
>Let's face it, the only thing you got left is making nasty personal remarks in order to garner a little attention. That's just plain pathetic but you're easy enough to ignore.

So take you own advice and ignore me. Nasty personal remarks? I'm
criticising your idiotic non-compliant Usenet posts. That's personal,
is it? You're clearly too dumb to know how to construct a proper post.

>The jury is still out on whether race-baiting is even more sadder. My guess is yoose guys is equally despicable but that's just me.

Race baiting? WTF?

>Hee-hee.

Indeed. You're the mindless kind of ****wit that contributes nothing
to society other than to joyfully embrace the worst aspects of
society. At least you will be dead sooner rather than later. 'hee
hee'.

On 7/31/2016 3:18 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:13:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>> Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>>>>> posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>>>>> blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>>>>> just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>>>>> now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>>>>> removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>>>>> manually.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ?.¸¸.?*¨`*?
>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>
>>>> The mobile interface of Google Groups does not allow quoting at this time. Perhaps it never will. Since mobile devices are the computers of the future, we'll be seeing a growing number of posts with no quotes. Time marches on!
>>>
>>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>>
>> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>
> I don't use mobile devices so I can't recommend one based on personal
> experience, sorry. I did do a search in respect to my last post and
> there were a few options available.
>


I tried a couple, but they didn't work at all.

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 1:44:28 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> >> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
> >> >
> >> >These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.
> >>
> >> Yeah, sure it does you dickhead. Just look at your mangled reply
> >> above. 'Hee hee'.
> >
> >Let's face it, the only thing you got left is making nasty personal remarks in order to garner a little attention. That's just plain pathetic but you're easy enough to ignore.
>
> So take you own advice and ignore me. Nasty personal remarks? I'm
> criticising your idiotic non-compliant Usenet posts. That's personal,
> is it? You're clearly too dumb to know how to construct a proper post.
>
> >The jury is still out on whether race-baiting is even more sadder. My guess is yoose guys is equally despicable but that's just me.
>
> Race baiting? WTF?
>
> >Hee-hee.
>
> Indeed. You're the mindless kind of ****wit that contributes nothing
> to society other than to joyfully embrace the worst aspects of
> society. At least you will be dead sooner rather than later. 'hee
> hee'.

Some other poster is race-baiting, not you.

As always, I stand by and have pride in my posts, if you find that I've made a factual error, please bring it to my attention and I will either clarify what I said or correct and apologize for the misstatement. This has been my policy from day one.

I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the modern world.

If yoose guys got a problem with the truth, take that up with the God of your choice. We're all truth's bitches as far as I know.