Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
diets.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law

Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> diets.
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>
> Graham

Oh yeah, that's what people need, more government intrusion. Geez!

Cheri

graham wrote:
>
>Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>diets.
>https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law

That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.

Are they also going to jail parents who have obese kids?

N.

On 8/10/2016 10:58 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Are they also going to jail parents who have obese kids?
>
> N.
>

Why don't we start with jailing parents of kids that loot stores? Or
jailing the kids themselves. Or . . .

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> graham wrote:
> >
> >Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> >diets.
> >https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>
> That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.

Kosher and halal meat should be banned.

On 8/10/2016 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>>> diets.
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>>
>> That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.
>
> Kosher and halal meat should be banned.
>

due to politics, kosher maybe, but not halal.

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 8:35:35 AM UTC-7, graham wrote:
> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> diets.
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>
> Graham

there is nothing wrong with a vegetarian or even a vegan diet as long as the proper nutrients for a growing body are provided.

The problem is that some of these people are just plain fanatical...I call them militant vegans....and their agenda outweights any common sense. Thus they harm their children and their pets as well with their ignorance of basic needs of the body.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/10/2016 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...
> >>
> >> graham wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> >>> diets.
> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
> >>
> >> That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.
> >
> > Kosher and halal meat should be banned.
> >
>
> due to politics, kosher maybe, but not halal.

They all let animals suffer needlessly because they think their friend
in the sky wants that. Come on, the Middle Ages are over.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:35:32 -0600, graham > wrote:

>Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>diets.
>https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law

As much as I dislike the vegan diet, any such proposed laws are not
appropriate and are a slippery slope... where do you draw the line
enforcing how people eat?

On 8/10/2016 3:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/10/2016 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>>>>> diets.
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>>>>
>>>> That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.
>>>
>>> Kosher and halal meat should be banned.
>>>
>>
>> due to politics, kosher maybe, but not halal.
>
> They all let animals suffer needlessly because they think their friend
> in the sky wants that. Come on, the Middle Ages are over.
>

Islamic fanatics cut heads off of innocent people, but our politicians
keep pussy footing around.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/10/2016 3:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 8/10/2016 12:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> In article >, gravesend10
> >>> @verizon.net says...
> >>>>
> >>>> graham wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> >>>>> diets.
> >>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
> >>>>
> >>>> That's sick, next Italy will make it illegal to keep kosher.
> >>>
> >>> Kosher and halal meat should be banned.
> >>>
> >>
> >> due to politics, kosher maybe, but not halal.
> >
> > They all let animals suffer needlessly because they think their friend
> > in the sky wants that. Come on, the Middle Ages are over.
> >
>
> Islamic fanatics cut heads off of innocent people, but our politicians
> keep pussy footing around.

Yes and history shows what happens when a weak, soft culture and a
strong, aggressive culture clash.

In article >,
says...
>
> Are they also going to jail parents who have obese kids?
>
> N.

In UK, children whose lives and safety are at repeated risk from their
parents (for any reason) can can be taken into care for their own
protection. That includes, morbidly obese children whose parents have
ignored medical advice and support, and court orders to prot6ect the
child's interest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...milies/health-
news/children-taken-into-care-for-being-too-fat-9158809.html

"Up to 74 morbidly obese children are estimated to have been taken
into care over the last five years, according to figures obtained under
Freedom of Information laws."

" over the last three years, 183 children aged under 12 were found to
weigh more than 16 stone; the heaviest boy was 23st 2lb while the
heaviest girl was 22st 11lb......."

A spokeswoman for the Department for Education said: ?This is not an
issue about children who might be a few pounds overweight. This is about
protecting those facing significant and possibly even life-threatening
problems.?

Janet UK

In article > ,
says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Are they also going to jail parents who have obese kids?
> >
> > N.
>
> In UK

and the rest of the western world... yawn.

In article >, says...
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:35:32 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> >diets.
> >https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>
> As much as I dislike the vegan diet, any such proposed laws are not
> appropriate and are a slippery slope... where do you draw the line
> enforcing how people eat?

When childrens' lives are endangered by parental ignorance or
stupidity.

The case quoted above was "A one-year-old boy in Milan raised on a
strict vegan diet was last month removed from his parents? custody after
he was found to be severely malnourished, weighing just 5kg.

Levels of calcium in his blood were said to be at the lowest necessary
for him to survive and he underwent emergency surgery because of a heart
condition"

Such severe malnourishment, and that level of calcium and protein
deficiency can leave a baby physically and mentally crippled for life
(if it survived at all).

Janet UK

On 8/11/2016 7:56 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:35:32 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>>> diets.
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>>
>> As much as I dislike the vegan diet, any such proposed laws are not
>> appropriate and are a slippery slope... where do you draw the line
>> enforcing how people eat?
>
> When childrens' lives are endangered by parental ignorance or
> stupidity.
>
> The case quoted above was "A one-year-old boy in Milan raised on a
> strict vegan diet was last month removed from his parents? custody after
> he was found to be severely malnourished, weighing just 5kg.
>
> Levels of calcium in his blood were said to be at the lowest necessary
> for him to survive and he underwent emergency surgery because of a heart
> condition"
>
> Such severe malnourishment, and that level of calcium and protein
> deficiency can leave a baby physically and mentally crippled for life
> (if it survived at all).
>
> Janet UK
>
I have to agree with you. A child who weighed only 5 kg. at the age of
1? (As far as I can tell that is about 11 lbs in the US. Horrific!)
Barely past birth weight at the age of 1.

Malnourished and underweight does not begin to describe it. Not to
mention the prospective physical and developmental aspect of this child.

People who follow these "diets" tend to need supplements to make up for
the lack of basic nutrition. They take a lot of them. They're probably
also Star-Trek people who think all of our nutrition and food will come
in pill form just a few years from now. j/k

JMHO, if a child is being forced into malnutrition due to their parents'
stupid beliefs about eating only vegetables and the children are not
getting the nourishment they need, I think the government *should* step in.

Jill

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:56:30 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:35:32 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>> >Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
>> >diets.
>> >https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
>>
>> As much as I dislike the vegan diet, any such proposed laws are not
>> appropriate and are a slippery slope... where do you draw the line
>> enforcing how people eat?
>
> When childrens' lives are endangered by parental ignorance or
>stupidity.

Certainly.

> The case quoted above was "A one-year-old boy in Milan raised on a
>strict vegan diet was last month removed from his parents? custody after
>he was found to be severely malnourished, weighing just 5kg.
>
> Levels of calcium in his blood were said to be at the lowest necessary
>for him to survive and he underwent emergency surgery because of a heart
>condition"
>
> Such severe malnourishment, and that level of calcium and protein
>deficiency can leave a baby physically and mentally crippled for life
>(if it survived at all).

Great parents, blinded by their own zealotry.

Speaking of self-defeating whackos...

We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'

"THE Huon Valley’s popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
reckons the moniker is unsavoury.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
alternative.

The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay – to promote the region’s
local agriculture industry – as a suitable replacement.

PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
plates of Huon Valley residents.

“Considering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called ‘Heart Attack Bay’,”
she said."


http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923

In article >, says...
>
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:56:30 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:35:32 -0600, graham > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> >> >diets.
> >> >https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law
> >>
> >> As much as I dislike the vegan diet, any such proposed laws are not
> >> appropriate and are a slippery slope... where do you draw the line
> >> enforcing how people eat?
> >
> > When childrens' lives are endangered by parental ignorance or
> >stupidity.
>
> Certainly.
>
> > The case quoted above was "A one-year-old boy in Milan raised on a
> >strict vegan diet was last month removed from his parents? custody after
> >he was found to be severely malnourished, weighing just 5kg.
> >
> > Levels of calcium in his blood were said to be at the lowest necessary
> >for him to survive and he underwent emergency surgery because of a heart
> >condition"
> >
> > Such severe malnourishment, and that level of calcium and protein
> >deficiency can leave a baby physically and mentally crippled for life
> >(if it survived at all).
>
> Great parents, blinded by their own zealotry.
>
> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
>
> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'

It's a shame all the Tasmanian Aborigines were murdered by white man,
otherwise we could have asked them what the place is really called.

On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
>
> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'
>
> "THE Huon Valleys popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
> name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
> reckons the moniker is unsavoury.
>
> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
> Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
> alternative.
>
> The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay €“ to promote the regions
> local agriculture industry €“ as a suitable replacement.
>
> PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
> change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
> plates of Huon Valley residents.
>
> €œConsidering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
> eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called "Heart Attack Bay,€�
> she said."
>
>
> http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923
>
Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
pescetarians. Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
money.

Jill

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:46:56 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
>>
>> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
>> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'
>>
>> "THE Huon Valley’s popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
>> name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
>> reckons the moniker is unsavoury.
>>
>> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
>> Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
>> alternative.
>>
>> The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay – to promote the region’s
>> local agriculture industry – as a suitable replacement.
>>
>> PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
>> change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
>> plates of Huon Valley residents.
>>
>> “Considering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
>> eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called ‘Heart Attack Bay’,”
>> she said."
>>
>>
>> http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923
>>
>Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
>pescetarians.

No fish, surely!

>Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
>ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
>money.

Not to mention it is counter-productive to their goals, because it
only creates antipathy towards them in the wider community. It's also
partly just to get PETA in the spotlight again.

As I said before, they are blinded by their own zealotry. It's a
shame, really, because they are one of the largest animal welfare orgs
out there, but most of their resources are wasted on things like this.

In article >, says...
>
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:46:56 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
> >pescetarians.
>
> No fish, surely!
>
> >Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
> >ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
> >money.
>
> Not to mention it is counter-productive to their goals, because it
> only creates antipathy towards them in the wider community. It's also
> partly just to get PETA in the spotlight again.
>
> As I said before, they are blinded by their own zealotry. It's a
> shame, really, because they are one of the largest animal welfare orgs
> out there, but most of their resources are wasted on things like this.

This is a silly detail, but I'm sure they do a lot of good things too.
Animals are a worthy cause.

On 8/11/2016 7:54 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:46:56 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
>>>
>>> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
>>> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'
>>>
>>> "THE Huon Valleys popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
>>> name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
>>> reckons the moniker is unsavoury.
>>>
>>> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
>>> Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay €“ to promote the regions
>>> local agriculture industry €“ as a suitable replacement.
>>>
>>> PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
>>> change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
>>> plates of Huon Valley residents.
>>>
>>> €œConsidering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
>>> eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called "Heart Attack Bay,€�
>>> she said."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923
>>>
>> Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
>> pescetarians.
>
> No fish, surely!
>
>> Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
>> ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
>> money.
>
> Not to mention it is counter-productive to their goals, because it
> only creates antipathy towards them in the wider community. It's also
> partly just to get PETA in the spotlight again.
>
> As I said before, they are blinded by their own zealotry. It's a
> shame, really, because they are one of the largest animal welfare orgs
> out there, but most of their resources are wasted on things like this.
>
It's one of the largest, most bloated animal welfare organizations.
They're legends in their own minds.

I'd like to see them spend those resources prosecuting individuals who
harm innocent domestic pets. PETA doesn't seem to raise hue and cry
when some sicko teenager sets a cat on fire while his friends video and
post it online. How about spending money on toughening up laws ensuring
tougher penalties for flagrant animal abuse?

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/11/2016 7:54 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:46:56 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
> >>>
> >>> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
> >>> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'
> >>>
> >>> "THE Huon Valley?s popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
> >>> name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
> >>> reckons the moniker is unsavoury.
> >>>
> >>> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
> >>> Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
> >>> alternative.
> >>>
> >>> The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay ? to promote the region?s
> >>> local agriculture industry ? as a suitable replacement.
> >>>
> >>> PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
> >>> change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
> >>> plates of Huon Valley residents.
> >>>
> >>> ?Considering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
> >>> eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called ?Heart Attack Bay?,?
> >>> she said."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923
> >>>
> >> Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
> >> pescetarians.
> >
> > No fish, surely!
> >
> >> Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
> >> ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
> >> money.
> >
> > Not to mention it is counter-productive to their goals, because it
> > only creates antipathy towards them in the wider community. It's also
> > partly just to get PETA in the spotlight again.
> >
> > As I said before, they are blinded by their own zealotry. It's a
> > shame, really, because they are one of the largest animal welfare orgs
> > out there, but most of their resources are wasted on things like this.
> >
> It's one of the largest, most bloated animal welfare organizations.
> They're legends in their own minds.
>
> I'd like to see them spend those resources prosecuting individuals who
> harm innocent domestic pets. PETA doesn't seem to raise hue and cry
> when some sicko teenager sets a cat on fire while his friends video and
> post it online. How about spending money on toughening up laws ensuring
> tougher penalties for flagrant animal abuse?

Those are terrible incidents, but the meat industry, that people like
you support, is a million times bigger and therefore a more important
target.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:16:01 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/11/2016 7:54 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:46:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of self-defeating whackos...
>>>>
>>>> We have a place called 'Eggs and Bacon Bay'. PETA don't like the name,
>>>> and want it changed to 'Apple and Cherry Bay'
>>>>
>>>> "THE Huon Valley’s popular fishing spot Eggs and Bacon Bay has had its
>>>> name for 140 years, but an international animal rights group now
>>>> reckons the moniker is unsavoury.
>>>>
>>>> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has called on the Huon
>>>> Valley Council to change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay to a vegan
>>>> alternative.
>>>>
>>>> The group has proposed Apple and Cherry Bay – to promote the region’s
>>>> local agriculture industry – as a suitable replacement.
>>>>
>>>> PETA Australia campaign director Ashley Fruno said the group hoped the
>>>> change would highlight the need to keep animal-derived foods off the
>>>> plates of Huon Valley residents.
>>>>
>>>> “Considering the high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat in both
>>>> eggs and bacon, the area may as well be called ‘Heart Attack Bay’,”
>>>> she said."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...822d9bd61fd923
>>>>
>>> Did PETA even notice this is a popular fishing spot? They must be
>>> pescetarians.
>>
>> No fish, surely!
>>
>>> Waging a campaign against the name of a place is
>>> ridiculous. Just another example of how organizations like this waste
>>> money.
>>
>> Not to mention it is counter-productive to their goals, because it
>> only creates antipathy towards them in the wider community. It's also
>> partly just to get PETA in the spotlight again.
>>
>> As I said before, they are blinded by their own zealotry. It's a
>> shame, really, because they are one of the largest animal welfare orgs
>> out there, but most of their resources are wasted on things like this.
>>
>It's one of the largest, most bloated animal welfare organizations.
>They're legends in their own minds.
>
>I'd like to see them spend those resources prosecuting individuals who
>harm innocent domestic pets. PETA doesn't seem to raise hue and cry
>when some sicko teenager sets a cat on fire while his friends video and
>post it online. How about spending money on toughening up laws ensuring
>tougher penalties for flagrant animal abuse?

It would be good to see more of that, of course. But overall they
would be more effective directing their energy towards large scale
commercial agricultural practices, which is something I wholeheartedly
support in principle.

The problem with PETA is that they are disingenuous, since their real
agenda is no agriculture involving animals at all. For that reason
they will never be trusted, respected or make any genuine progress
with animal welfare like they could achieve.

One could also argue they are setting animal welfare backwards because
they alienate so many people who will then tar any welfare group with
the same brush.

On 8/11/2016 11:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> JMHO, if a child is being forced into malnutrition due to their parents'
> stupid beliefs about eating only vegetables and the children are not
> getting the nourishment they need, I think the government *should* step in.
>
> Jill

To often the government interfere with families, but in a case like
that, yes they should. Normally, grandparents would step in but there
may not be any.

In article >, says...
>
> Proposed law in Italy to ban parents from subjecting their kids to vegan
> diets.
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ed-italian-law

Italy is a much more retarded country than most people realize.

On 8/11/2016 8:21 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> Those are terrible incidents, but the meat industry, that people like
> you support, is a million times bigger and therefore a more important
> target.
>

Yeah, but we don't (usually) eat Fluffy or Rover.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/11/2016 8:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >
> > Those are terrible incidents, but the meat industry, that people like
> > you support, is a million times bigger and therefore a more important
> > target.
> >
>
> Yeah, but we don't (usually) eat Fluffy or Rover.

No, we don't.