On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:44:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I especially remember once having a sample of hummus and
>it was so terrible I was surprised that they would be giving out samples
>of something so bad.

Maybe it was humus and they were supposed to set up the stall in a
garden store.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
> > out in public?! What a concept.
>
> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.

I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 8/13/2016 8:45 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
>>> out in public?! What a concept.
>>
>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>
> I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
> been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
> bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
> food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.
>
You've been very fortunate. I've not seen a lot of them, but they do
exist. For that matter there are some ill behaved adults too.

On 2016-08-13 8:45 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
>>> out in public?! What a concept.
>>
>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>
> I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
> been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
> bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
> food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.
>


You have never seen kids behaving badly in grocery stores? Are you going
to start picking nits and limit the observation to grocery stores?

On 8/13/2016 7:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:50:48 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:49:49 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:47:28 -0400, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about Cananda? That's where lucretia lives. Just because some
>>>> country has draconian laws doesn't mean ours are bad.
>>>
>>> Canada is only slightly less lenient than the average U.S. State. But
>>> they have this funny law where they won't even let Americans cross the
>>> border if they have *any* sort of alcohol-related driving arrests -
>>> even if they're not driving or planning on driving. Same with Mexico.
>>> America has no such restrictions - we are much more friendly and
>>> inviting to our neighbors.
>>>
>>> [gratuitous and obligatory RFC-style foreigner-bashing comment]
>>
>> I have to assume you know whereof you speak but far more Americans get
>> turned back at the border because of weapons.
>
> Every 14-year old in Alaska owns a gun. And a lot of them like to
> travel to/from the mainland with their guns.
>
> Not allowing guns into the country is much more reasonable than not
> allowing people with a any DUI conviction into the country. Even
> President Bush Sr. had to get a formal waiver to be able to visit with
> the Canadian Prime Minister because of his 20 year old DUI.
>
And rightly so!!!!!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:05:29 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-08-13 3:45 PM, wrote:
>
>> Well IMO it's okay if the drunk driver dies but very often it's not. A
>> married in aunt had a sister who was coming home from a school concert
>> with her husband and two children. They were hit by an elderly male
>> driving drunk as a skunk. The husband and daughter died, she was left
>> to live with a son who was a veggie, it was all terribly sad. The
>> nasty old drunk barely had a scratch
>>
>
>I don't have a problem with them throwing the book at people who drive
>drunk and crash, especially when there are fatalities. My issue is more
>about the treatment of people who simply blow a little over the limit.
>I am thinking of a case of an east coast driver who racked up about a
>dozen convictions for DUI, all for blowing over the limit, but who had
>not crashed, and they threw the book at him/ He got a couple years in
>prison. Around the same there was a local case of a young woman who was
>driving drunk, crashed her car and killed her best friend.
>She got a couple months of house arrest.
>
>I accept that the guy was a repeat offender who apparently didn't learn
>from his earlier convictions and the sentences he received, but I figure
>that the the most serious punishment should be applied in the worst case
>scenarios. He was sentenced to jail because his previous punishment
>didn't teach him about the possibility of being one of those worst case
>scenarios... like the crash she was involved in. She was in a single car
>accident and killed her friend, but she ended up with a much, much
>lighter sentence.

I would throw the book at both!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:45:58 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
>> > out in public?! What a concept.
>>
>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>
>I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
>been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
>bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
>food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.

Then you have been extraordinarily lucky, though I can't speak for
fast food joints, never go to them.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:58:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/13/2016 8:45 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
>>>> out in public?! What a concept.
>>>
>>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>>
>> I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
>> been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
>> bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
>> food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.
>>
>You've been very fortunate. I've not seen a lot of them, but they do
>exist. For that matter there are some ill behaved adults too.

That's true too unfortunately.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:45:46 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:50:48 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:49:49 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:47:28 -0400, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about Cananda? That's where lucretia lives. Just because some
>>>> country has draconian laws doesn't mean ours are bad.
>>>
>>>Canada is only slightly less lenient than the average U.S. State. But
>>>they have this funny law where they won't even let Americans cross the
>>>border if they have *any* sort of alcohol-related driving arrests -
>>>even if they're not driving or planning on driving. Same with Mexico.
>>>America has no such restrictions - we are much more friendly and
>>>inviting to our neighbors.
>>>
>>>[gratuitous and obligatory RFC-style foreigner-bashing comment]
>>
>> I have to assume you know whereof you speak but far more Americans get
>> turned back at the border because of weapons.
>
>Every 14-year old in Alaska owns a gun. And a lot of them like to
>travel to/from the mainland with their guns.
>
>Not allowing guns into the country is much more reasonable than not
>allowing people with a any DUI conviction into the country. Even
>President Bush Sr. had to get a formal waiver to be able to visit with
>the Canadian Prime Minister because of his 20 year old DUI.
>
>-sw

Now I don't believe you! Harper wouldn't have required anything from
Bush.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 11:27 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/13/2016 9:59 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when
>>>>> they're
>>>>> out in public?! What a concept.
>>>>
>>>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>>>>
>>> I was taught to behave or I else I would not have been allowed to go
>>> to the store. I have no idea why it is such a problem for parents
>>> these days.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Lazy parenting.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Someone will surely chime up and say I don't have children. No, I
> don't. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: It was a
> privilege to be allowed to go to the store with Mom as a kid. We knew
> better than to run amok.
>
> Jill

Thank God!

Alex wrote:
>>
>> Someone will surely chime up and say I don't have children. No, I
>> don't. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: It was a
>> privilege to be allowed to go to the store with Mom as a kid. We knew
>> better than to run amok.
>
>Thank God!

A meaningless comment... thanking something that doesn't exist except
in your sicko faggot mind... you do realize that Alex is a faggot
name... in all the faggot bars you're known as Ally, the queer who can
suck a golf ball through a garden hose. LOL-LOL
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:58:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> You've been very fortunate. I've not seen a lot of them, but they do
> exist. For that matter there are some ill behaved adults too.

Adults too? Interesting.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:59:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-08-13 8:45 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
> >>> out in public?! What a concept.
> >>
> >> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
> >
> > I never see that kind of behavior at the grocery store. I've also
> > been watching children in restaurants because it seems to be such a
> > bone of contention in RFC and it doesn't matter where they are - fast
> > food, sit down restaurant... they're very well behaved, even infants.
> >
>
>
> You have never seen kids behaving badly in grocery stores? Are you going
> to start picking nits and limit the observation to grocery stores?

I was talking about restaurants, but it applies to grocery stores too.
Honestly, I don't know where you find your cartoon style lowlife
people, but they don't live here and I haven't seen them when
traveling throughout the USA.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> >
> > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
>
> Virginia:
>
> Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and
> imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a
> one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested
> with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a
> minimum five-day jail sentence..
>
> Sweden:
>
> Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with
> an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and
> license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months
> imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
>
> Cindy Hamilton

If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended for
a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the
second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time -
you're grounded permanently.

P.S.: We need self-driving cars.
------------------------

Recently two pilots who were meant to be flying a jet from Glasgow to
Toronto were reported for acting a bit drunk. They were arrested and held
in custody before appearing court. I don't know what happened to them as I
haven't kept up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oo-drunk-to-f/



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 6:28:48 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:

> I've not seen cup holders in trolleys/shopping carts. I also don't eat
> or drink anything when I'm shopping for food. I'm a believer in not
> shopping for groceries when you're hungry. Have a bite to eat before
> you leave the house. Cuts down on the impluse buying.

There are people who pretty much live with a cup of something in their
hand--coffee, Coke, Slurpees. I can see why the grocery store would
want to accommodate them.

There's a cupholder in the carts where I shop. I lay my shopping
list across it. (Uh-oh. I've re-started the shopping list controversy.)

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/14/2016 7:52 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> There are people who pretty much live with a cup of something in their
> hand--coffee, Coke, Slurpees. I can see why the grocery store would
> want to accommodate them.
>
> There's a cupholder in the carts where I shop. I lay my shopping
> list across it. (Uh-oh. I've re-started the shopping list controversy.)

Why? The cup holder is a great place to put your phone. Oh, wait ...
you mean a paper list. Ooops.

I think they have cupholders on the carts where I shop, I noticed
it once. Don't care about it, I don't carry a drink around. They
might have gone the way of the calculators they used to have
attached to the cart handle.

nancy

Cheri wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>Gary wrote:
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
>>>> out in public?! What a concept.
>>>
>>> A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.
>>>
>> I was taught to behave or I else I would not have been allowed to go to
>> the store. I have no idea why it is such a problem for parents these
>> days.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Lazy parenting.
>
>Cheri

Dumping a kid at a day care center (kennel) is zero parenting. I know
people who dump their pets off to be boarded at a kennel several times
a year for weeks at a time, they shouldn't have pets, often their pets
are cared for better at kennels. My cats have never been boarded, not
even once... they get nervous when they see me put my shoes on, and
I've only gone shopping for an hour or less. When I'm mowing they go
from window to window making sure I'm not leaving... I come in about
once an hour to make sure they're okay. These days an awful lot of
people should never have children, and the most inept parents seem to
have the most children/the most feral children.

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 9:55:46 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> > >
> > > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
> >
> > Virginia:
> >
> > Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and
> > imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a
> > one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested
> > with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a
> > minimum five-day jail sentence..
> >
> > Sweden:
> >
> > Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with
> > an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and
> > license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months
> > imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended for
> a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the
> second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time -
> you're grounded permanently.
>
> P.S.: We need self-driving cars.
> ------------------------
>
> Recently two pilots who were meant to be flying a jet from Glasgow to
> Toronto were reported for acting a bit drunk. They were arrested and held
> in custody before appearing court. I don't know what happened to them as I
> haven't kept up:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oo-drunk-to-f/
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

The planes pretty much could fly themselves but the trend in the industry is to make them less autonomous. The newer planes are being built with controls that require more human input and monitoring. Perhaps the older aircraft have made the pilots feel superfluous - they can even fly them drunk. This is assuming, of course, that they're not too drunk.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 9:55:46 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> > >
> > > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
> >
> > Virginia:
> >
> > Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and
> > imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a
> > one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were
> > arrested
> > with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a
> > minimum five-day jail sentence..
> >
> > Sweden:
> >
> > Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with
> > an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and
> > license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months
> > imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended
> for
> a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the
> second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time -
> you're grounded permanently.
>
> P.S.: We need self-driving cars.
> ------------------------
>
> Recently two pilots who were meant to be flying a jet from Glasgow to
> Toronto were reported for acting a bit drunk. They were arrested and held
> in custody before appearing court. I don't know what happened to them as
> I
> haven't kept up:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oo-drunk-to-f/
>
>
>

The planes pretty much could fly themselves but the trend in the industry is
to make them less autonomous. The newer planes are being built with controls
that require more human input and monitoring. Perhaps the older aircraft
have made the pilots feel superfluous - they can even fly them drunk. This
is assuming, of course, that they're not too drunk.

-------------------------

Well I wouldn't be happy on a plane with drunk pilots and the law seems to
agree with me

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2016-08-14 12:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
> Dumping a kid at a day care center (kennel) is zero parenting. I know
> people who dump their pets off to be boarded at a kennel several times
> a year for weeks at a time, they shouldn't have pets, often their pets
> are cared for better at kennels. My cats have never been boarded, not
> even once... they get nervous when they see me put my shoes on, and
> I've only gone shopping for an hour or less. When I'm mowing they go
> from window to window making sure I'm not leaving... I come in about
> once an hour to make sure they're okay. These days an awful lot of
> people should never have children, and the most inept parents seem to
> have the most children/the most feral children.

Thanks to modern moral standards and a generous welfare system, the
people around here who seem to be having the most kids are the young,
unmarried welfare mothers. In the past, girls who accidentally got
pregnant were sent off to live with an aunt. Parents were embarrassed by
the shame of their daughter's immoral and irresponsible behaviour and
tried to hide the indiscretion. These days people have no problem
bragging about their unmarried daughters having a number of children by
different fathers. The fathers are generally not in the picture and the
mothers get to stay home and live on welfare. Great role models for
children.

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-08-14 12:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Cheri wrote:
> > Dumping a kid at a day care center (kennel) is zero parenting. I know
> > people who dump their pets off to be boarded at a kennel several times
> > a year for weeks at a time, they shouldn't have pets, often their pets
> > are cared for better at kennels. My cats have never been boarded, not
> > even once... they get nervous when they see me put my shoes on, and
> > I've only gone shopping for an hour or less. When I'm mowing they go
> > from window to window making sure I'm not leaving... I come in about
> > once an hour to make sure they're okay. These days an awful lot of
> > people should never have children, and the most inept parents seem to
> > have the most children/the most feral children.
>
> Thanks to modern moral standards and a generous welfare system, the
> people around here who seem to be having the most kids are the young,
> unmarried welfare mothers. In the past, girls who accidentally got
> pregnant were sent off to live with an aunt. Parents were embarrassed by
> the shame of their daughter's immoral and irresponsible behaviour and
> tried to hide the indiscretion. These days people have no problem
> bragging about their unmarried daughters having a number of children by
> different fathers. The fathers are generally not in the picture and the
> mothers get to stay home and live on welfare. Great role models for
> children.

On the other hand, I've seen horrendous parenting from middle-class and
upper-middle-class parents. They give their kids everything except
discipline, and the result is arrogant entitlement.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:30:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 9:55:46 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > > > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> > > >
> > > > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
> > >
> > > Virginia:
> > >
> > > Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and
> > > imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a
> > > one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were
> > > arrested
> > > with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a
> > > minimum five-day jail sentence..
> > >
> > > Sweden:
> > >
> > > Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with
> > > an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and
> > > license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months
> > > imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended
> > for
> > a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the
> > second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time -
> > you're grounded permanently.
> >
> > P.S.: We need self-driving cars.
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Recently two pilots who were meant to be flying a jet from Glasgow to
> > Toronto were reported for acting a bit drunk. They were arrested and held
> > in custody before appearing court. I don't know what happened to them as
> > I
> > haven't kept up:
> >
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oo-drunk-to-f/
> >
> >
> >
>
> The planes pretty much could fly themselves but the trend in the industry is
> to make them less autonomous. The newer planes are being built with controls
> that require more human input and monitoring. Perhaps the older aircraft
> have made the pilots feel superfluous - they can even fly them drunk. This
> is assuming, of course, that they're not too drunk.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Well I wouldn't be happy on a plane with drunk pilots and the law seems to
> agree with me
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

The link had a funny title. It implies that pilots can still fly drunk but getting too drunk to fly will get you arrested in Scotland.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:30:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 9:55:46 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced
> > > > > by
> > > > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> > > >
> > > > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
> > >
> > > Virginia:
> > >
> > > Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and
> > > imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a
> > > one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were
> > > arrested
> > > with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include
> > > a
> > > minimum five-day jail sentence..
> > >
> > > Sweden:
> > >
> > > Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving
> > > with
> > > an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and
> > > license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months
> > > imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended
> > for
> > a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the
> > second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time -
> > you're grounded permanently.
> >
> > P.S.: We need self-driving cars.
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Recently two pilots who were meant to be flying a jet from Glasgow to
> > Toronto were reported for acting a bit drunk. They were arrested and
> > held
> > in custody before appearing court. I don't know what happened to them
> > as
> > I
> > haven't kept up:
> >
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oo-drunk-to-f/
> >
> >
> >
>
> The planes pretty much could fly themselves but the trend in the industry
> is
> to make them less autonomous. The newer planes are being built with
> controls
> that require more human input and monitoring. Perhaps the older aircraft
> have made the pilots feel superfluous - they can even fly them drunk. This
> is assuming, of course, that they're not too drunk.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Well I wouldn't be happy on a plane with drunk pilots and the law seems to
> agree with me
>
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> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

The link had a funny title. It implies that pilots can still fly drunk but
getting too drunk to fly will get you arrested in Scotland.

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LOL I see what you mean, but no ... <g>



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On 2016-08-14 1:38 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Thanks to modern moral standards and a generous welfare system, the
>> people around here who seem to be having the most kids are the young,
>> unmarried welfare mothers. In the past, girls who accidentally got
>> pregnant were sent off to live with an aunt. Parents were embarrassed by
>> the shame of their daughter's immoral and irresponsible behaviour and
>> tried to hide the indiscretion. These days people have no problem
>> bragging about their unmarried daughters having a number of children by
>> different fathers. The fathers are generally not in the picture and the
>> mothers get to stay home and live on welfare. Great role models for
>> children.
>
> On the other hand, I've seen horrendous parenting from middle-class and
> upper-middle-class parents. They give their kids everything except
> discipline, and the result is arrogant entitlement.

That's true in some cases, but I think that the majority of those are
better prepared to deal with the world than those from single parent
families growing up on welfare.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 15:37:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-08-14 1:38 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Thanks to modern moral standards and a generous welfare system, the
>>> people around here who seem to be having the most kids are the young,
>>> unmarried welfare mothers. In the past, girls who accidentally got
>>> pregnant were sent off to live with an aunt. Parents were embarrassed by
>>> the shame of their daughter's immoral and irresponsible behaviour and
>>> tried to hide the indiscretion. These days people have no problem
>>> bragging about their unmarried daughters having a number of children by
>>> different fathers. The fathers are generally not in the picture and the
>>> mothers get to stay home and live on welfare. Great role models for
>>> children.
>>
>> On the other hand, I've seen horrendous parenting from middle-class and
>> upper-middle-class parents. They give their kids everything except
>> discipline, and the result is arrogant entitlement.
>
>That's true in some cases, but I think that the majority of those are
>better prepared to deal with the world than those from single parent
>families growing up on welfare.

I say both can end up equally F'ed up.

Sheldon wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:04:05 -0400, Don Wiss >
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:35:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >>On 8/12/2016 12:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
> >>> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
> >>
> >>Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
> >>a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
> >>change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.
> >
> >Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
> >Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
> >black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.
> >
> >Of the four at the bottom the other three were A&P stores. They are now all
> >gone. So Walmart Supercenters are now all by themselves at the bottom.
>
> Bullshit, nobody beats Walmart's prices, I haven't found any store yet
> with lower prices... just this week I needed deodorant, Walmart's
> price for Old Spice Classic was a dollar less than at the local Rite
> Aid. I shop the local Rite Aid for a couple Rx drugs but for nothing
> else, I wait until I get to Walmart... BJs prices are good too but BJs
> is Walmart.


WM closed all of their urban Walmart "Express" stores, I really miss them. They had the very lowest prices for most everything, not just food, but especially toiletries and office supplies. They also had the highest - quality frozen shrimp, unlike stupormarket frozen shrimp, WM's had very little "water added", and thus less shrinkage when thawed. Frozen shrimp can be such a scam, most you find is well over 50% water...

At my previous job we were always holding celebrations/ceremonies for various groups, e.g. GED grads, seniors' b-days, holiday events, etc. Having that WM Express a block away made shopping very easy...

Both of the Express stores I used were very handy, they were directly adjacent to L stops here in Chicago, now I have to lug stuff from farther afield.. I am increasingly using Amazon for delivery, and I still order stuff online from WM...am in fact just preparing a WM order, it's a donation to a pet charity.

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Best
Greg

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 3:20:41 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 2:39:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > > > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
> > >
> > > Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
> >
> > Virginia:
> >
> > Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a minimum five-day jail sentence..
> >
> > Sweden:
> >
> > Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> If you're a commercial pilot who is drunk on the job - you get suspended for a year and you have to go get professional help. If you get caught the second time, the same thing happens. If you get caught the third time - you're grounded permanently.
>
> P.S.: We need self-driving cars.

We have them. They are called Trains!

John Kuthe...