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New book! "A Square Meal: A Culinary History of the Great Depression"
Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then I flipped open today's New York Times and...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...meal-book.html By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016 First paragraphs: In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand, President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup. His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce, mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding. It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were suffering, Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added, It was also a message to Americans about how to eat. The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr. Coes last book, Chop Suey, was about Chinese cuisine in America, while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower East Side tenement through food in her book 97 Orchard. Their new, collaborative work, A Square Meal, which will be published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own, they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenbergs Sandwich Shop, a tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has been in business since the year of the crash, 1929. Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating. Loaves were very popular, Ms. Ziegelman said. There was peanut loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.... More than 100 comments so far. Lenona. |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then I flipped open today's New York Times and... > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...meal-book.html > > By STEVEN KURUTZ > AUG. 12, 2016 Do you know about Cooking with Clara? http://www.greatdepressioncooking.com/Episodes.html The book https://www.amazon.com/Claras-Kitche.../dp/0312608276 -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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> Do you know about Cooking with Clara? No, but I do own "Stories and Recipes of the Great Depression of the 1930's" by Janet Van Amber Paske & Rita Van Amber. Plus the "More with Less Cookbook" by Doris Janzen Longacre, 1979 (Mennonite cookbook). I like the latter one, especially. Lenona. |
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On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> I'm told Grandma Mac raised a few chickens. Seems odd in the middle of > a small town with no land to speak of. But hey, it was the Depression. > No one really cared about town ordinances about farm animals. Gotta eat. My great-grandmother raised chickens in her yard in Berkley, MI. It's a "suburb" now, but at the time it was a small town a few miles outside Detroit. This would have been in the 1930s or 1940s. Raising chickens in town is fashionable again. |
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barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, wrote: > > > Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then > > I flipped open today's New York Times and... > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...ion-food-squar > > e-meal-book.html > > > > By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016 > > > > > > First paragraphs: > > > > In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin > > Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand, > > President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like > > pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup. > > > > His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce, > > mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding. > > > > ?It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were > > suffering,? Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added, > > ?It was also a message to Americans about how to eat.? > > > > The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr. > > Coe?s last book, ?Chop Suey,? was about Chinese cuisine in America, > > while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower East Side > > tenement through food in her book ?97 Orchard.? > > > > Their new, collaborative work, ?A Square Meal,? which will be > > published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the > > Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own, > > they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenberg?s Sandwich Shop, a > > tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has > > been in business since the year of the crash, 1929. > > > > Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive > > sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and > > vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple > > deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating. > > > > ?Loaves were very popular,? Ms. Ziegelman said. ?There was peanut > > loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and > > a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating > > enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.?... > > > > > > More than 100 comments so far. > > I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but > it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. -- |
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cshenk > wrote:
> barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, wrote: >> >>> Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then >>> I flipped open today's New York Times and... >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...ion-food-squar >>> e-meal-book.html >>> >>> By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016 >>> >>> >>> First paragraphs: >>> >>> In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin >>> Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand, >>> President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like >>> pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup. >>> >>> His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce, >>> mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding. >>> >>> ?It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were >>> suffering,? Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added, >>> ?It was also a message to Americans about how to eat.? >>> >>> The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr. >>> Coe?s last book, ?Chop Suey,? was about Chinese cuisine in America, >>> while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower East Side >>> tenement through food in her book ?97 Orchard.? >>> >>> Their new, collaborative work, ?A Square Meal,? which will be >>> published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the >>> Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own, >>> they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenberg?s Sandwich Shop, a >>> tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has >>> been in business since the year of the crash, 1929. >>> >>> Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive >>> sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and >>> vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple >>> deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating. >>> >>> ?Loaves were very popular,? Ms. Ziegelman said. ?There was peanut >>> loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and >>> a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating >>> enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.?... >>> >>> >>> More than 100 comments so far. >> >> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > > John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA > depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. > You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the Great Depression. -- jinx the minx |
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On 08/17/2016 09:00 PM, barbie gee wrote:
> > > (snip) > > I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but it > seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > I heard that interview too. It was very long, so it was probably on "Fresh Air", that often have long interviews with the author of a new book. I was struck with how delighted the authors were to describe the "horrible" food during the depression. The interview depressed me a lot. The authors reminded me of those juveniles who sometimes post a web link here to a bunch of faded photos of 1950's molded Jell-o salads, describing them with great glee about how bad they are. My parents and grandparents lived on a subsistence farm during the 30s and I can guarantee you they didn't turn up their noses at food on the table. A bean loaf would have been heaven. Far less food was wasted or thrown away, too. Meat might not have been affordable more than once or twice a week. My parents always provided for me, but I wouldn't turn down anything offered, either. Well, maybe except for fried beef liver or scrambled eggs and brains. Sweetbreads were OK, though. I can't imagine wanting to buy a book about bad food (in the authors' opinion). |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >My great-grandmother raised chickens in her yard in Berkley, MI. It's >a "suburb" now, but at the time it was a small town a few miles outside >Detroit. This would have been in the 1930s or 1940s. > >Raising chickens in town is fashionable again. What is happening to all the abandoned houses in Detroit? Does it look like a ghost town? William |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016, cshenk wrote: > barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, wrote: >> >>> Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then >>> I flipped open today's New York Times and... >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...ion-food-squar >>> e-meal-book.html >>> >>> By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016 >>> >>> >>> First paragraphs: >>> >>> In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin >>> Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand, >>> President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like >>> pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup. >>> >>> His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce, >>> mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding. >>> >>> ?It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were >>> suffering,? Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added, >>> ?It was also a message to Americans about how to eat.? >>> >>> The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr. >>> Coe?s last book, ?Chop Suey,? was about Chinese cuisine in America, >>> while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower East Side >>> tenement through food in her book ?97 Orchard.? >>> >>> Their new, collaborative work, ?A Square Meal,? which will be >>> published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the >>> Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own, >>> they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenberg?s Sandwich Shop, a >>> tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has >>> been in business since the year of the crash, 1929. >>> >>> Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive >>> sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and >>> vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple >>> deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating. >>> >>> ?Loaves were very popular,? Ms. Ziegelman said. ?There was peanut >>> loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and >>> a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating >>> enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.?... >>> >>> >>> More than 100 comments so far. >> >> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > > John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA > depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. It was me that wrote that, and yeah, I was a little confused, I do remember now that rationing coupons were for WWII. Hell, come to think of it, I can hardly imagine how my parents and grandparents got through both the Depression and WWII... but I understand now their frugality. |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016, Whirled Peas wrote: > On 08/17/2016 09:00 PM, barbie gee wrote: >> > (snip) >> >> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but it >> seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... >> > > I heard that interview too. It was very long, so it was probably on "Fresh > Air", that often have long interviews with the author of a new book. I was > struck with how delighted the authors were to describe the "horrible" food > during the depression. The interview depressed me a lot. The authors reminded > me of those juveniles who sometimes post a web link here to a bunch of faded > photos of 1950's molded Jell-o salads, describing them with great glee about > how bad they are. > > My parents and grandparents lived on a subsistence farm during the 30s and I > can guarantee you they didn't turn up their noses at food on the table. A > bean loaf would have been heaven. Far less food was wasted or thrown away, > too. Meat might not have been affordable more than once or twice a week. My > parents always provided for me, but I wouldn't turn down anything offered, > either. Well, maybe except for fried beef liver or scrambled eggs and brains. > Sweetbreads were OK, though. > > I can't imagine wanting to buy a book about bad food (in the authors' > opinion). We heard the same program, then, I'm sure. I have to say that the story about the pasta and carrots in white sauce recipe seemed almost apocryphal. My family were immigrants, and I'm pretty sure they weren't eating stuff like that, no way, no how. Probably making due with potatoes and cabbage, just like they did in the old country. Living in a big city, I wonder if they were able to grow any fresh greens or produce on their own, or if they just made due with whatever they could buy. I regret I was too young to ask these questions when my grandparents and parents were still alive. |
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"Whirled Peas" wrote in message ...
On 08/17/2016 09:00 PM, barbie gee wrote: > > > (snip) > > I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but it > seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > I heard that interview too. It was very long, so it was probably on "Fresh Air", that often have long interviews with the author of a new book. I was struck with how delighted the authors were to describe the "horrible" food during the depression. The interview depressed me a lot. The authors reminded me of those juveniles who sometimes post a web link here to a bunch of faded photos of 1950's molded Jell-o salads, describing them with great glee about how bad they are. My parents and grandparents lived on a subsistence farm during the 30s and I can guarantee you they didn't turn up their noses at food on the table. A bean loaf would have been heaven. Far less food was wasted or thrown away, too. Meat might not have been affordable more than once or twice a week. My parents always provided for me, but I wouldn't turn down anything offered, either. Well, maybe except for fried beef liver or scrambled eggs and brains. Sweetbreads were OK, though. I can't imagine wanting to buy a book about bad food (in the authors' opinion). ------------------- Amen to that!!! People who could starve are not picky. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 9:01:56 PM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >My great-grandmother raised chickens in her yard in Berkley, MI. It's > >a "suburb" now, but at the time it was a small town a few miles outside > >Detroit. This would have been in the 1930s or 1940s. > > > >Raising chickens in town is fashionable again. > > What is happening to all the abandoned houses in Detroit? Does it look > like a ghost town? Some neighborhoods do, some don't. That's part of the problem. There are areas where there's one occupied house on a block, yet they still have to provide city services. It's very inefficient. But it's politically incorrect to talk about relocating those people to areas where the population density is greater. There are areas that never succumbed to de-population, and are filled with ordinary middle-class people. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 8/19/2016 12:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote: > >> I'm told Grandma Mac raised a few chickens. Seems odd in the middle of >> a small town with no land to speak of. But hey, it was the Depression. >> No one really cared about town ordinances about farm animals. Gotta eat. > > My great-grandmother raised chickens in her yard in Berkley, MI. It's > a "suburb" now, but at the time it was a small town a few miles outside > Detroit. This would have been in the 1930s or 1940s. > > Raising chickens in town is fashionable again. > Fashionable, perhaps. During the Depression it was a necessity. Eggs to feed the family. The occasional killing of a chicken for Sunday dinner. This was my paternal grandma's house: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/40...35517291_zpid/ The chicken coop was behind the house. Someone did a real number on that place, horrible paint! They didn't bother to photograph what (used to be) the best features of the house. The wood finishes were fantastic. Mahogany, IIRC. The dining room had a sweet little wood & glass pocket door to close it off from the main living room. It had a built-in china hutch and drawers for storing silver and table linens along one wall. And the house has/had laundry chutes.  The house next door was my maternal grandma's house: http://www.trulia.com/homes/Ohio/Mcd...onald-OH-44437 No mention of the two bedrooms in the completely finished attic... hmmmm. Jill |
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Janet > wrote:
> In article - > september.org>, says... >>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... >>> >>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA >>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. >>> >> >> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the >> Great Depression. > > You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They > are not the same thing. > > Janet UK > > > Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home level. -- jinx the minx |
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On 8/20/2016 12:45 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Janet > wrote: >> In article - >> september.org>, says... >>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... >>>> >>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA >>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. >>>> >>> >>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the >>> Great Depression. >> >> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They >> are not the same thing. >> >> Janet UK >> >> >> > > Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still > informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home > level. > Citation, please, jinx. There was no government rationing during the Depression in the United States. People grew what they could, preserved what they could, shared what they could. They ate very simple meals and stretched the ingredients to feed their families. My father was not lying when he said he and his siblings carried hot baked potatoes in the winter to have for lunch at school. Grandma sent them off with potatoes and a small packet of salt. Butter was scarce but sometimes (Dad said) there was a knob of butter for the baked potatoes. Jill |
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> On 8/20/2016 12:45 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >> Janet > wrote: >>> In article - >>> september.org>, says... >>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... >>>>> >>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA >>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the >>>> Great Depression. >>> >>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They >>> are not the same thing. >>> >>> Janet UK >>> >>> >>> >> >> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still >> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home >> level. >> > Citation, please, jinx. > > There was no government rationing during the Depression in the United > States. People grew what they could, preserved what they could, shared > what they could. They ate very simple meals and stretched the > ingredients to feed their families. > > My father was not lying when he said he and his siblings carried hot > baked potatoes in the winter to have for lunch at school. Grandma sent > them off with potatoes and a small packet of salt. Butter was scarce > but sometimes (Dad said) there was a knob of butter for the baked potatoes. > > Jill > I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. -- jinx the minx |
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>, says... > > Janet > wrote: > > In article - > > september.org>, says... > >>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but > >>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > >>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > >>> > >>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA > >>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. > >>> > >> > >> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the > >> Great Depression. > > > > You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They > > are not the same thing. > > > > Janet UK > > > > > > > > Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still > informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home > level. Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do with less", with rationing. There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor. Janet UK |
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barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016, cshenk wrote: > > > barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, wrote: > > > > >>> Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then > >>> I flipped open today's New York Times and... > > > > > >>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...ion-food-squar > >>> e-meal-book.html > > > > > >>> By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016 > > > > > > > > > >>> First paragraphs: > > > > > >>> In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin > >>> Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand, > >>> President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like > >>> pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup. > > > > > >>> His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce, > >>> mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding. > > > > > >>> ?It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were > >>> suffering,? Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added, > >>> ?It was also a message to Americans about how to eat.? > > > > > >>> The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr. > >>> Coe?s last book, ?Chop Suey,? was about Chinese cuisine in > America, >>> while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower > East Side >>> tenement through food in her book ?97 Orchard.? > > > > > >>> Their new, collaborative work, ?A Square Meal,? which will be > >>> published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the > >>> Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own, > >>> they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenberg?s Sandwich Shop, a > >>> tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has > >>> been in business since the year of the crash, 1929. > > > > > >>> Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive > >>> sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and > >>> vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple > >>> deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating. > > > > > >>> ?Loaves were very popular,? Ms. Ziegelman said. ?There was peanut > >>> loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and > >>> a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating > >>> enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.?... > > > > > > > > > >>> More than 100 comments so far. > > > > >> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but > >> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > >> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > > > > John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the > > USA depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. > > It was me that wrote that, and yeah, I was a little confused, I do > remember now that rationing coupons were for WWII. > > Hell, come to think of it, I can hardly imagine how my parents and > grandparents got through both the Depression and WWII... but I > understand now their frugality. It's ok. What happened during the depression was very different from WWII rationing with coupons. -- |
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> In article <1890456931.493400481.445508.jinxminx2- > >, says... >> >> Janet > wrote: >>> In article - >>> september.org>, says... >>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but >>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. >>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... >>>>> >>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA >>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the >>>> Great Depression. >>> >>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They >>> are not the same thing. >>> >>> Janet UK >>> >>> >>> >> >> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still >> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home >> level. > > Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do > with less", with rationing. > > There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was > compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor. > > Janet UK > > > > > Yes, except the OP wasn't talking about government formalized rationing. She was talking about the rationing done as part of "making do" during the Depression, which was done at home, in school lunch programs, through breadlines, soup kitchens and other avenues of public food distribution, etc. Because it wasn't imposed uniformly on all by the government doesn't make it any less "rationing". Perhaps "enjoying their rations" as the OP stated wasn't the most apt terminology since she wasn't talking about rations received through a government stamp program, but I understood what was meant. -- jinx the minx |
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S Viemeister > wrote:
> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >> >> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. >> > When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful > with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to feed 6 people, or last more than one meal. -- jinx the minx |
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On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> S Viemeister > wrote: >> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >>> >>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. >>> >> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful >> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? >> > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to feed 6 > people, or last more than one meal. > Ah. That will confuse many people. |
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...
On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote: > S Viemeister > wrote: >> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >>> >>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. >>> >> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful >> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? >> > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to feed > 6 > people, or last more than one meal. > Ah. That will confuse many people ------------------------------ It makes sense to me. Many people in the old days had to ration things out so they lasted until the more became available. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 8/20/2016 4:19 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" wrote in message > On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >> S Viemeister > wrote: >>> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >>>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. >>> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful >>> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? >> Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to >> feed 6 people, or last more than one meal. > Ah. That will confuse many people > > ------------------------------ > > It makes sense to me. Many people in the old days had to ration things > out so they lasted until the more became available. > Yes, but 'there was rationing' is not the same as 'people carefully rationed their food'. To me (and many others), 'there was rationing during the Depression' would suggest _imposed_, rather than _self_ rationing. |
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On 8/20/2016 4:19 PM, Ophelia wrote: > "S Viemeister" wrote in message > On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >> S Viemeister > wrote: >>> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: >>>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. >>> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful >>> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? >> Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to >> feed 6 people, or last more than one meal. > Ah. That will confuse many people > > ------------------------------ > > It makes sense to me. Many people in the old days had to ration things > out so they lasted until the more became available. > Yes, but 'there was rationing' is not the same as 'people carefully rationed their food'. To me (and many others), 'there was rationing during the Depression' would suggest _imposed_, rather than _self_ rationing. -------------- True. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Janet > wrote: > > In article <1890456931.493400481.445508.jinxminx2- > > >, says... > >> > >> Janet > wrote: > >>> In article - > >>> september.org>, says... > >>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but > >>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad. > >>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much... > >>>>> > >>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA > >>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the > >>>> Great Depression. > >>> > >>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They > >>> are not the same thing. > >>> > >>> Janet UK > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still > >> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home > >> level. > > > > Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do > > with less", with rationing. > > > > There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was > > compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor. > > > > Janet UK > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, except the OP wasn't talking about government formalized rationing. > She was talking about the rationing done as part of "making do" during the > Depression, which was done at home, in school lunch programs, through > breadlines, soup kitchens and other avenues of public food distribution, > etc. Because it wasn't imposed uniformly on all by the government doesn't > make it any less "rationing". Perhaps "enjoying their rations" as the OP > stated wasn't the most apt terminology since she wasn't talking about > rations received through a government stamp program, but I understood what > was meant. I ration my chocolate. Half an ounce after dinner. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:39:07 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote: >When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful >with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? during World War II, the US Government needed tanks and bombers to kill the enemy, the car factories in Detroit were converted to war production. My Grandfather purchased a new car just before they stopped making them so the value of his car went so high that he sold it and started walking. Foodstuffs were rationed so that the military could supply the troops. You could only buy so much gas for your car per week. The Army needed gas in their jeeps and trucks to pull artillery across Europe to kill enemy forces. America had to build 296,000 warplanes to defeat her enemies. They shot down our planes and we had to send more. It was terrible. Finally, they gave up. William |
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 15:19:56 UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > > On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote: > > S Viemeister > wrote: > >> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: > >>> > >>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. > >>> > >> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful > >> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? > >> > > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to feed > > 6 > > people, or last more than one meal. > > > Ah. That will confuse many people > > ------------------------------ > > It makes sense to me. Many people in the old days had to ration things out > so they lasted until the more became available. Things that are dirt - common today were precious commodities, e.g. oranges were given as Christmas presents, a square of chocolate was an eagerly - anticipated treat, chicken was for Sunday dinner, etc.... Clothing, too...who today darns socks? When you see that in old movies, you think, "Gee, why don't they just go out and buy a new pair?", the answer of course being that a simple pair of socks for working people took some purchasing power... When I was a kid my mom sewed a lot of our clothes, the sewing machine was as much or more a part of life as a television set or a refrigerator... Then, of course, Ms. O, there are the stories of thrifty Scots men patching their torn French Letters, but of course I know you've no knowledge of that, I'm practically sure... ;-D -- Best Greg |
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"The Greatest!" wrote in message
... On Saturday, 20 August 2016 15:19:56 UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > > On 8/20/2016 2:02 PM, jinx the minx wrote: > > S Viemeister > wrote: > >> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote: > >>> > >>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression. > >>> > >> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful > >> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something? > >> > > Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to > > feed > > 6 > > people, or last more than one meal. > > > Ah. That will confuse many people > > ------------------------------ > > It makes sense to me. Many people in the old days had to ration things > out > so they lasted until the more became available. Things that are dirt - common today were precious commodities, e.g. oranges were given as Christmas presents, a square of chocolate was an eagerly - anticipated treat, chicken was for Sunday dinner, etc.... Clothing, too...who today darns socks? When you see that in old movies, you think, "Gee, why don't they just go out and buy a new pair?", the answer of course being that a simple pair of socks for working people took some purchasing power... When I was a kid my mom sewed a lot of our clothes, the sewing machine was as much or more a part of life as a television set or a refrigerator... Then, of course, Ms. O, there are the stories of thrifty Scots men patching their torn French Letters, but of course I know you've no knowledge of that, I'm practically sure... ;-D -- Best Greg ---------------- LOL I most certainly do not!! Incidentally I am a Yorkshire lass, transplanted into Scotland decades ago <g> I came here because I got a good job you see <g> But yes, a sewing machine was a big part of my life too ) and yes, I diddarn socks )-- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 8/18/2016 8:27 PM, lenona wrote: > > > >> Do you know about Cooking with Clara? > > > > No, but I do own "Stories and Recipes of the Great Depression of the 1930's" by Janet Van Amber Paske & Rita Van Amber. Plus the "More with Less Cookbook" by Doris Janzen Longacre, 1979 (Mennonite cookbook). I like the latter one, especially. > > > > > > Lenona. > > > I don't know about any of these cookbooks. The latter has some pretty good recipes, IMO. I liked making my own baked corn chips, even if they're not carbon copies of Fritos. The secret ingredient - in the cookbook - is a drop or two of Tabasco sauce, but one wouldn't necessarily guess that from the taste. The book also has, IIRC, a recipe for apple crumble with a little peanut butter topping - I used the unsweetened kind and enjoyed it. One thing to remember, though - powdered milk was a dollar-stretcher in the 1990s and earlier, but not anymore. Use only if a recipe doesn't work without it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...om_search=true (reader reviews) Turns out it was actually published in 1976 - and reprinted in 2011! Starting in 1997, there are 295 reviews at Amazon. (Yes, I know they overlap with those at Goodreads.) Lenona. |
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:52:38 -0500, barbie gee >
wrote: > > >On Mon, 22 Aug 2016, wrote: >> >> One thing to remember, though - powdered milk was a dollar-stretcher in >> the 1990s and earlier, but not anymore. Use only if a recipe doesn't >> work without it. > >I always had a box of powdered milk in the cabinet; came in handy when I >ran out of milk, and I'd sometimes use it as "coffee creamer" if I didn't >have any mild on hand. Then one day I noticed the Aldi stopped carrying >it. I tried Sanalac, but it doesn't dissolve well at all, so I bought an >"envelope" of Carnation Powdered Milk, and it was expensive. > >I guess even hydrating milk powder is too much work for those on a budget >anymore? Depends what one calls expensive... I think whole fresh milk is expensive, I bought a gallon of 2% this morning, $3.12. To my memory powdered milk has always cost more than fresh milk by about 20% per gallon, powdered requires a lot more processing. I keep Carnation powdered milk in my pantry, comes in very handy when milk is needed for some recipe and the fresh in the fridge has spoiled. For drinking it's best left in the fridge for a day to fully rehydrate. I also buy evap by the case, I prefer it for dessert recipes; all sorts of puddings, especially good for bread pudding. I like evap drizzled over ice cream, forms a crust. |
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On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:00:10 AM UTC-4, barbie gee wrote:
> I guess even hydrating milk powder is too much work for those on a budget > anymore? It's not the work, it's the final COST per gallon. In last fall's thread: "Baked goods: Calculating your cost," I explained how powdered milk costs more than liquid milk, even when the water is free. (In my area, it costs 35% more than liquid milk. This didn't used to be the case, for whatever reason.) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.food.cooking/lenona$20milk|sort:date/rec.food.cooking/x7HiM7zLKmU/phMBp5L9CQAJ (Re powdered milk) While it's true that (in my area) an economy-sized box, which has 25.6 ounces and makes 2 gallons of liquid milk, costs $6.99 and therefore is more expensive than liquid skim milk ($2.59 per gallon), it's still sometimes NEEDED in baking (such as one granola recipe), it's useful in camping, and it can be used as a substitute for cream and condensed milk (with sugar, water and margarine). However, I only buy dented boxes of it from the discount rack. "The Tightwad Gazette," vol. 1, talks about its uses on pages 202-203 and 208-209. (I don't know which pages that would be in "The Complete Tightwad Gazette.") It takes 1/3 of a cup to make 1 cup liquid milk. Lenona. |
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On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 8:09:32 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote: > > On 8/18/2016 8:27 PM, lenona wrote: > > > > > >> Do you know about Cooking with Clara? > > > > > > No, but I do own "Stories and Recipes of the Great Depression of the 1930's" by Janet Van Amber Paske & Rita Van Amber. Plus the "More with Less Cookbook" by Doris Janzen Longacre, 1979 (Mennonite cookbook). I like the latter one, especially. > > > > > > > > > Lenona. > > > > > I don't know about any of these cookbooks. > > > The latter has some pretty good recipes, IMO. I liked making my own baked corn chips, even if they're not carbon copies of Fritos. The secret ingredient - in the cookbook - is a drop or two of Tabasco sauce, but one wouldn't necessarily guess that from the taste. Other good recipes from that book: sweet and sour pork & birchermusli (muesli). I haven't really used the book as much as I might have. Two good recipes from the "Stories and Recipes of the Great Depression of the 1930's": Donna's Impossible Coconut Pie (the filling is custard - I recommend using 3/4 cup sugar and baking it for 50 minutes or so, contrary to what the recipe says) Chicken Tetrazzini BTW, maybe most people here do something like this already, but I like to take a pencil and mark a recipe with symbols, according to whether it falls under the category of "take it or leave it" or "do not repeat" or "DEFINITELY cook this again." Comes in handy years later, when you don't even remember using that recipe! Lenona. |
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