The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.

The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.

I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
>chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
>at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
>
>The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
>steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
>also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
>ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
>chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
>
>I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
>weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
>could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
>the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.

Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven. For what you paid could
have got two! Why is there sales tax, my stupidmarket deli doesn't
charge sales tax for any food. It's extremely rare I'll buy a
rotisserie chicken, I find them over salted (think Dead Sea) and not
properly cleaned.
I sometimes roast a roasting chicken on a V rack but usually I quarter
or eighth those 7 pounders and put them on a flat rack in a roasting
pan. One seven pounder feeds two hungry adults very well 2X and four
cats get some too. I like poultry propery cleaned, no bits of guts
adhering inside, no superfluous fat, and I pull out all those nasty
rib bones, they pull right out with a paper towel. Most importantly I
cut out the spine, I don't want any spinal fluid in my chicken. All
the trimmings feed crows. If I make chicken soup it ain't gonna be
made from saved trash/garbage... I use all whole properly cleaned
chickens and fresh vegetables, no veggie scraps, if those bits weren't
worth eating the first time they go in the composter.... I don't
understand people dining like POWs... the Great Depression was how
many years ago. . . maybe yoose garbage hoarders wanna check my toilet
for salvage before I flush. Chicken is cheap, if I'm gonna make the
effort and take the time to prepare a from scratch soup it won't
contain any salvaged trash.

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
> wrote:
>
> >The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> >chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
> >at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
> >
> >The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
> >steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
> >also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
> >ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> >chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
> >
> >I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> >weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> >could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> >the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
>
> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.

Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
only about money?

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016, Brooklyn1 > wrote:

>Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
>79¢/lb...

At that price it is not hormone and antibiotic free, like it is at Whole
Foods.

>season and pop it in your oven.

My kitchen is under renovation. I don't have an oven. I do have a slow
cooker, but that takes too long.

> For what you paid could
>have got two! Why is there sales tax, my stupidmarket deli doesn't
>charge sales tax for any food.

In NY State there is sales tax on food to go. Maybe your deli rolls it into
the price.

> It's extremely rare I'll buy a
>rotisserie chicken, I find them over salted (think Dead Sea) and not
>properly cleaned.

I agree that most food is over salted. This wasn't too bad.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
>> >chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I
>> >looked
>> >at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
>> >
>> >The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in
>> >the
>> >steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
>> >also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
>> >ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the
>> >whole
>> >chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached
>> >$10.
>> >
>> >I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
>> >weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
>> >could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have
>> >been
>> >the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
>>
>> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
>> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>
> Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> only about money?

.79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA passed
prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...

> >> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> >> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >
> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> > industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> > only about money?
>
> .79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA passed
> prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.

If you had a look inside those chicken plants, you'd never eat chicken
again.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016, Don Wiss wrote:

> The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
> at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
>
> The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
> steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
> also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
> ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
>
> I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.

smart idea to check the weight at home... Hell, if there's a scale in the
produce section, you could probably have weighed it in the store! ;-)

Sometimes the rotisserie chickens are kind of greasy to me, but if you
want to eat Right Now, it's a great option.

I know, Haters are complaining that they're too expensive, but what's your
time worth??

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> T...
>> > In article >, gravesend10
>> > @verizon.net says...
>
>> >> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
>> >> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>> >
>> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
>> > industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
>> > only about money?
>>
>> .79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA
>> passed
>> prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.
>
> If you had a look inside those chicken plants, you'd never eat chicken
> again.

I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both, especially
at .79 a pound.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> T...
> >> > In article >, gravesend10
> >> > @verizon.net says...
> >
> >> >> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> >> >> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >> >
> >> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> >> > industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> >> > only about money?
> >>
> >> .79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA
> >> passed
> >> prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.
> >
> > If you had a look inside those chicken plants, you'd never eat chicken
> > again.
>
> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both, especially
> at .79 a pound.

I'll refer back to my money question.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> T...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> T...
>> >> > In article >, gravesend10
>> >> > @verizon.net says...
>> >
>> >> >> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
>> >> >> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
>> >> > chicken
>> >> > industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is
>> >> > life
>> >> > only about money?
>> >>
>> >> .79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA
>> >> passed
>> >> prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.
>> >
>> > If you had a look inside those chicken plants, you'd never eat chicken
>> > again.
>>
>> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
>> especially
>> at .79 a pound.
>
> I'll refer back to my money question.

You do that, I'll roast and eat the chicken I bought for .79 a pound today
tomorrow.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> T...
> >> > In article >, says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> T...

> >> >> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> >> >> > chicken
> >> >> > industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is
> >> >> > life
> >> >> > only about money?
> >> >>
> >> >> .79 a pound for Foster Farms at Safeway this week in my area too. CA
> >> >> passed
> >> >> prop 2 and are moving toward cage free.
> >> >
> >> > If you had a look inside those chicken plants, you'd never eat chicken
> >> > again.
> >>
> >> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
> >> especially
> >> at .79 a pound.
> >
> > I'll refer back to my money question.
>
> You do that, I'll roast and eat the chicken I bought for .79 a pound today
> tomorrow.

May the poultrygeist give you indigestion.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:48:53 -0500, barbie gee > wrote:

>smart idea to check the weight at home... Hell, if there's a scale in the
>produce section, you could probably have weighed it in the store! ;-)

I'm sure there is, but the main thing is to compare and buy the heaviest.
And there are many to compare.

I'm pretty good at picking items up and being able to see which is
heaviest. (Learned from comparing egg cartons at the farmers' market.) My
current kitchen scale is really small: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004164SRA
I've thought about bringing it along to make comparisons.

>Sometimes the rotisserie chickens are kind of greasy to me,

Looking at the long ingredient list on the regular supermarket ones I can
see grease getting in. At Whole Foods the only ingredients in the whole
chickens are salt and pepper. And I don't think they are actually done in a
rotisserie.

> but if you
>want to eat Right Now, it's a great option.

It's a little more than right now. The Whole Foods is 0.8 miles from me. A
quick bike ride, and exercise. Close to right now.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 9:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> > >chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
> > >at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
> > >
> > >The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
> > >steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
> > >also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
> > >ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> > >chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
> > >
> > >I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> > >weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> > >could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> > >the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
> >
> > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> > 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>
> Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> industry?

Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).

> Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> only about money?

Life in America pretty much is only about money.

I'm fully aware of what goes on in the chicken industry, and I buy
chicken anyway.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 9:59:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...
> > >
> > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> > > 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >
> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> > industry?
>
> Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).

Since there are 320 million of you, that could be a small minority.

> > Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> > only about money?
>
> Life in America pretty much is only about money.

Awful.

> I'm fully aware of what goes on in the chicken industry, and I buy
> chicken anyway.

That seems to be a little sociopathic trait that many people have, not
just Americans.

Don Wiss wrote:
>
> The Whole Foods is 0.8 miles from me. A
> quick bike ride, and exercise.

Same distance from my regular grocery store. 0.8 miles and like you I'll
often do the bike ride. I can almost bike there as quick as I can drive.
As it's only 2 more blocks to the oceanfront, I'll often ride a bit on
the boardwalk first, then stop at the store on the way home.

Whole Foods is about 2 miles in the other direction but I've never been
there.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).

I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real paper
newspapers not online news as the only viewing.

For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy papers. I
still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have some private time.
Nice peaceful morning time to look through the paper.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:20:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>> The Whole Foods is 0.8 miles from me. A
>> quick bike ride, and exercise.
>
>Same distance from my regular grocery store. 0.8 miles and like you I'll
>often do the bike ride. I can almost bike there as quick as I can drive.
>As it's only 2 more blocks to the oceanfront, I'll often ride a bit on
>the boardwalk first, then stop at the store on the way home.
>
>Whole Foods is about 2 miles in the other direction but I've never been
>there.

The last time rotisserie chickens were mentioned in rfc everyone
seemed to like the Costco ones. I tried one and agree. Last week I
bought one when going on a day out with my daughter and SIL and with
some buttered rolls, it was excellent. A no fuss picnic.

On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).
>
> I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real paper
> newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
>
> For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy papers. I
> still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have some private time.
> Nice peaceful morning time to look through the paper.
>

After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
to use their phone app in addition.

I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).
> >
> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real paper
> > newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> >
> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy papers. I
> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have some private time.
> > Nice peaceful morning time to look through the paper.
> >
>
> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
> a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
> the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
> to use their phone app in addition.
>
> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.

Yes, dead tree media are a thing of the past.

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online equivalent).
>
> I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real paper
> newspapers not online news as the only viewing.

OTOH, I prefer e-books, and I read online facsimiles of the
Detroit Free Press and the Ann Arbor News. I'm just young
enough to be comfortable with electronic media, and just old
enough that I want my newspaper to look like a newspaper.

I also look at regular online news aggregators, to cover national
and world news, but don't consider most online news media to be
any good for browsing over a cup of coffee.

Television and radio news are out of the question. I can't skip
past the garbage. I don't care that little Timmy fell down a
well, since I'm neither little Timmy's mother, nor involved
in the effort to extricate him from the well.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/20/2016 7:18 PM, Don Wiss wrote:

> ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
>
> I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.

Costco does the same thing, they put the minimum weight by a long
shot so no one can complain they were ripped off. They also don't
want to spend time weighing all the chickens they make. They just
decide on a fixed price.

Aside from that, I have never seen chicken as small as 1 lb 12 oz.
They really wanted to be safe, because they got into trouble with
that policy over some other item (they being WF).

nancy

On 8/21/2016 12:04 AM, Cheri wrote:

> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
> especially at .79 a pound.

I wonder if people know what's going on in their own country,
they seem to spend all their time worrying about what's up in
the US.

nancy

wrote:
>
> The last time rotisserie chickens were mentioned in rfc everyone
> seemed to like the Costco ones. I tried one and agree. Last week I
> bought one when going on a day out with my daughter and SIL and with
> some buttered rolls, it was excellent. A no fuss picnic.

No Costco near me but I do like the rotisserie ones from Food Lion. That
store is only east coast though. And yes, I can see putting meat on some
buttered rolls. Total YUM. Anyway, I get several meals out of the
smallish rotisserie chickens....I don't need too much meat for a meal.
Plus the carcass is good for making chicken stock. Not a bad deal for
$5.oo and already cooked for you. :-D

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
> a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
> the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
> to use their phone app in addition.
>
> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.

Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
carrier.

It *is* still cheaper than buying each day at the store plus I get it
delivered early to my door. Also the tv guide...you only get that with
delivery, not in the store.

Bruce wrote:
>
> Ed says...
> > After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
> > a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
> > the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
> > to use their phone app in addition.
> >
> > I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
>
> Yes, dead tree media are a thing of the past.

Trees for paper are farmed these days and are a renewable resource. No
worries about the old forests.

On 2016-08-21 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:

>> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
>
> Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
> subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
> doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
> weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
> carrier.

If you think newspaper subscriptions are down you should take a look at
magazine stores. Most magazine vendors have a much reduced stock. They
carry fewer magazines and less of those that they do carry. I still
subscribe to the one newspaper because I like to have a paper to read
when I go out for coffee, and I like having a hard copy for the
crossword and other games.


>
> It *is* still cheaper than buying each day at the store plus I get it
> delivered early to my door. Also the tv guide...you only get that with
> delivery, not in the store.

That is the other reason for me to subscribe. It is actually cheaper for
me to get it for the week than to buy 3-4 issues each week.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Television and radio news are out of the question. I can't skip
> past the garbage. I don't care that little Timmy fell down a
> well, since I'm neither little Timmy's mother, nor involved
> in the effort to extricate him from the well.

I look at two news channels at 4:30am each morning just to see the
weather. One channel always starts with "breaking news" like it's really
important and they put off the regular weather and traffic reports.

They do this almost every morning and it's funny. Almost always, it's
either a house fire overnight in some nearby city or a black shooting
another black person overnight report (yawn). Thankfully, the other
channel doesn't interrupt the regular broadcast for such common and
frequent reports.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-08-21 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
> >
> > Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
> > subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
> > doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
> > weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
> > carrier.
>
> If you think newspaper subscriptions are down you should take a look at
> magazine stores.

Yeah, no kidding. Not only reduced magazines, have you looked at the
price per issue in a store lately. Unbelievable. You can still get some
decent subscription deals but not by buying a single issue at the drug
store, etc.


> > It *is* still cheaper than buying each day at the store plus I get it
> > delivered early to my door. Also the tv guide...you only get that with
> > delivery, not in the store.
>
> That is the other reason for me to subscribe. It is actually cheaper for
> me to get it for the week than to buy 3-4 issues each week.

Me too. Plus it's delivered each morning. My carrier is good. My paper
is always on my doorstep by 4:30 or shortly afterwards.

On 8/21/2016 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
>> a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
>> the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
>> to use their phone app in addition.
>>
>> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
>
> Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
> subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
> doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
> weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
> carrier.
>
> It *is* still cheaper than buying each day at the store plus I get it
> delivered early to my door. Also the tv guide...you only get that with
> delivery, not in the store.
>

For 13 weeks I'd have to pay about $85, plus a few more bucks if I
wanted to read some news on the phone app. In addition, most of the
good people are gone.

I can still gt most of it on line and I get the comics from
www.gocomics.com sent to me.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> For 13 weeks I'd have to pay about $85, plus a few more bucks if I
> wanted to read some news on the phone app. In addition, most of the
> good people are gone.

Evidently, mine isn't so bad yet. Like I mentioned, you pay extra for
the weekly tv guide that comes on Saturday. That's $1.00 a week extra
unless they've raised that price without telling me. Suscribers that
don't want the weekly tv guide pay at least $13 less than me.

I've also noticed the paper becoming more condensed as time goes on.

I should save papers today for future ferret poopy papers. By time I get
more little pets, newspaper might be out of business.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:05:46 -0500, ost wrote:

>So how did it taste?

Quite nice and worth it. It was a little salty, but as I use no salt ever
in my own cooking, I find all outside food salty. Ranging from a little
salty: this chicken, Chipotle, Bare Burger, to horribly salty: any Latin
restaurant.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On 2016-08-21 9:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-08-21 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
>>>
>>> Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
>>> subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
>>> doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
>>> weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
>>> carrier.
>>
>> If you think newspaper subscriptions are down you should take a look at
>> magazine stores.
>
> Yeah, no kidding. Not only reduced magazines, have you looked at the
> price per issue in a store lately. Unbelievable. You can still get some
> decent subscription deals but not by buying a single issue at the drug
> store, etc.

It is even worse up here because of the current exchange rates. Our
dollars used to be close, then our's took a nose dive and the exchange
rate was in the 20-30% range, so they started adding at least 30% to the
Canadian price, so a $5.99 magazine would be $9.99 here. Our dollar
rose and even surpassed the US dollar for a while, but those higher
prices stayed the same.
>

>> That is the other reason for me to subscribe. It is actually cheaper for
>> me to get it for the week than to buy 3-4 issues each week.
>
> Me too. Plus it's delivered each morning. My carrier is good. My paper
> is always on my doorstep by 4:30 or shortly afterwards.

That is a bonus. I used to have to walk or ride my bicycle a mile and a
half to the newspaper box and it would often be sold out, or I could go
three miles to a store. Now it arrives in my mail box around 6:00 am,
later on weekends.

>

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
> wrote:
>
> > The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> > chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I
> > looked at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on
> > and on.
> >
> > The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had
> > in the steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached
> > $10/lb. They also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens
> > had a list of ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and
> > pepper. All the whole chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales
> > tax the price approached $10.
> >
> > I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got
> > home. I weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous
> > in size? I could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One
> > pound would have been the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
>
> Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven. For what you paid could
> have got two! Why is there sales tax, my stupidmarket deli doesn't
> charge sales tax for any food. It's extremely rare I'll buy a
> rotisserie chicken, I find them over salted (think Dead Sea) and not
> properly cleaned.
> I sometimes roast a roasting chicken on a V rack but usually I quarter
> or eighth those 7 pounders and put them on a flat rack in a roasting
> pan. One seven pounder feeds two hungry adults very well 2X and four
> cats get some too. I like poultry propery cleaned, no bits of guts
> adhering inside, no superfluous fat, and I pull out all those nasty
> rib bones, they pull right out with a paper towel. Most importantly I
> cut out the spine, I don't want any spinal fluid in my chicken. All
> the trimmings feed crows. If I make chicken soup it ain't gonna be
> made from saved trash/garbage... I use all whole properly cleaned
> chickens and fresh vegetables, no veggie scraps, if those bits weren't
> worth eating the first time they go in the composter.... I don't
> understand people dining like POWs... the Great Depression was how
> many years ago. . . maybe yoose garbage hoarders wanna check my toilet
> for salvage before I flush. Chicken is cheap, if I'm gonna make the
> effort and take the time to prepare a from scratch soup it won't
> contain any salvaged trash.

LOL, and the rant was on!

Good sale on the whole chickens there, but don't even pretend that is
normal price. At least in this rant, you were more realisting on
portions than normal. You've been known to claim a 4lb chicken feeds
only 1 with no leftovers before.

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:18:34 -0400, Don Wiss >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> > > chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store.
> > > I looked at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list
> > > went on and on.
> > >
> > > The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods
> > > had in the steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax,
> > > approached $10/lb. They also had the rotisserie chickens. The
> > > half chickens had a list of ingredients, but the whole chickens
> > > had only salt and pepper. All the whole chickens were labeled 1
> > > lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
> > >
> > > I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got
> > > home. I weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so
> > > generous in size? I could have bought chicken from the steam
> > > tables. One pound would have been the same price as the 2.5
> > > pounds I got.
> >
> > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> > 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>
> Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things?
> Or is life only about money?

Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most states
tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things from the deli
area.

http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...y/high-tax-on-
virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302-908
29840d811.html

It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
pre-made chickens here.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> > > equivalent).
> >
> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real
> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> >
> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy papers. I
> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have some private
> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through the paper.
> >
>
> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping
> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple
> more of the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted
> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
>
> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> days.

I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself from
the coupons.

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Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> > slipping for a long time but finally reached my limit. In January,
> > a couple more of the good columnists left, the price went up, and
> > they wanted to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> >
> > I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> > days.
>
> Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
> subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
> doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
> weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
> carrier.
>
> It is still cheaper than buying each day at the store plus I get it
> delivered early to my door. Also the tv guide...you only get that with
> delivery, not in the store.

Humm, It's 2$ a week for 13 weeks (26$) Wed-Sunday delivery. The price
drops with a yearly subscription. I can't find the recipt but pretty
sure I recently paid 47$ for a year. At a 13 week counter, you rack up
104$ (and are shy 2 weeks of dlivery).

Carol

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barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016, Don Wiss wrote:
>
> > The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> > chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I
> > looked at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on
> > and on.
> >
> > The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had
> > in the steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached
> > $10/lb. They also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens
> > had a list of ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and
> > pepper. All the whole chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales
> > tax the price approached $10.
> >
> > I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got
> > home. I weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous
> > in size? I could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One
> > pound would have been the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
>
> smart idea to check the weight at home... Hell, if there's a scale in
> the produce section, you could probably have weighed it in the store!
> ;-)
>
> Sometimes the rotisserie chickens are kind of greasy to me, but if
> you want to eat Right Now, it's a great option.
>
> I know, Haters are complaining that they're too expensive, but what's
> your time worth??

Oh there's nothing wrong with occasionally getting a bird or such from
the store. Me, I got a rotisserie of my own because we liked them.

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On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 6:18:42 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
> The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
> at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
>
> The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
> steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
> also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
> ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
>
> I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
>
> Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

FrankenChickens!! On steroids!!

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:59:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
....
>
> Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the chicken
> industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things? Or is life
> only about money?

Many are, yes!!

And many in the U.S. are Mammon Worshiping SCUM!!

John Kuthe...

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Don Wiss wrote:
> >
> > The Whole Foods is 0.8 miles from me. A
> > quick bike ride, and exercise.
>
> Same distance from my regular grocery store. 0.8 miles and like you
> I'll often do the bike ride. I can almost bike there as quick as I
> can drive. As it's only 2 more blocks to the oceanfront, I'll often
> ride a bit on the boardwalk first, then stop at the store on the way
> home.
>
> Whole Foods is about 2 miles in the other direction but I've never
> been there.

I went there recently (whole foods) and was suprised that some things
were significantly cheaper than local. The flour section is a notable
one if you bake much.

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