On 2016-08-21 12:46 PM, cshenk wrote:

> Oh there's nothing wrong with occasionally getting a bird or such from
> the store. Me, I got a rotisserie of my own because we liked them.

I love doing chicken on the rotisserie. My wife's favourite recipe for
me to cook on it is Indian chicken. It works very well with small birds.
I stick an onion, a couple cloves of garlic, salt, pepper and cummin
into the food processor and mush it up. Smear the mixture inside and
out and let it sit for at least an hour. Then stick it on a spit and
baste with melted butter (or olive oil).

On 2016-08-21, Dave Smith > wrote:

> I love doing chicken on the rotisserie.

I gotta get me a "rotisserie" something-or-other. Not sure why, as I
no longer eat chicken, but something must work on 'em. Iceberg
lettuce?

nb

On 8/21/2016 1:46 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-08-21, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> I love doing chicken on the rotisserie.
>
> I gotta get me a "rotisserie" something-or-other. Not sure why, as I
> no longer eat chicken, but something must work on 'em. Iceberg
> lettuce?
>
> nb
>

Boneless rib eye or pork loin works well too.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, John Kuthe > wrote:

>On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 6:18:42 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
>> I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
>> weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
>> could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
>> the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.

>FrankenChickens!! On steroids!!

Considering the huge breasts the chicken had I'm sure it couldn't fly.

I bought another. The white meat is a bit dry. And I was a little wrong on
the price comparison. This one, net of the plastic container, was 39.9
ounces. The base price before tax was $8.99. The steam table chicken I
believe is $9.49/lb before tax. I'll assume the tare on the steam table
food is the cardboard container. So for $8.99 you get 15.16 oz. 39.9
divided by 15.16 means I got 2.63 times the chicken for my money.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On 8/21/2016 7:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-08-21 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
>>
>> Printed newspapers won't last much longer, sadly. I always renew my
>> subscription for 13 months only (3 months). The price for this has
>> doubled in the past few years. I'll send in a renewal this week...13
>> weeks (plus the weekly tv guide that's extra) for $66.30 + tip for the
>> carrier.
>
> If you think newspaper subscriptions are down you should take a look at
> magazine stores. Most magazine vendors have a much reduced stock.

Not surprising. Magazines used to be full of specialist articles etc.
now they are nothing more than advertising delivery systems.

On 8/21/2016 5:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
> a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
> the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
> to use their phone app in addition.
>
> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.

Both local newspapers in Calgary and one national are owned by the same
company. They share articles and give a very unbalanced view of things.
One can't e-mail comments on their websites as they're using FB, I
suppose as a legal firewall.
Graham

On 8/21/2016 8:31 AM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:05:46 -0500, ost wrote:
>
>> So how did it taste?
>
> Quite nice and worth it. It was a little salty, but as I use no salt ever
> in my own cooking, I find all outside food salty. Ranging from a little
> salty: this chicken, Chipotle, Bare Burger, to horribly salty: any Latin
> restaurant.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>
I can guarantee that if I eat out, my weight will shoot up from the salt
causing water retention. You are probably right about Latin restos,
which I suppose you mean Latin American. There's an Argentinian one in a
heritage building by the Bow River in Calgary and when I had lunch
there, the guy next to me complained that his burger was only just
edible because of the salt. You could see the cooks throwing salt on the
food with great abandon.
Graham

In article >, says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Ed says...
> > > After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping for
> > > a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple more of
> > > the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted to charge
> > > to use their phone app in addition.
> > >
> > > I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these days.
> >
> > Yes, dead tree media are a thing of the past.
>
> Trees for paper are farmed these days and are a renewable resource. No
> worries about the old forests.

I know, but dead tree news is on the way out, nevertheless. The idea of
printed news that's, by definition, so many hours old, is obsolete when
you can have everything completely up to date, without the intervention
of paper, ink and newspaper boys.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/21/2016 12:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
> > especially at .79 a pound.
>
> I wonder if people know what's going on in their own country,
> they seem to spend all their time worrying about what's up in
> the US.

Are you unable to look across a border in this day and age?

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...
> > >
> > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live for
> > > 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >
> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on things?
> > Or is life only about money?
>
> Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most states
> tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things from the deli
> area.
>
> http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...y/high-tax-on-
> virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302-908
> 29840d811.html
>
> It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
> pre-made chickens here.

It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're going
for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can get. Both in
terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're putting in your
mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup to have at least some
basic standards about what they eat. Here, most people are totaly
blinded by the 79 cents.

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2016-08-21, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > I love doing chicken on the rotisserie.
>
> I gotta get me a "rotisserie" something-or-other. Not sure why, as I
> no longer eat chicken, but something must work on 'em. Iceberg
> lettuce?
>
> nb

Whole fish work nicely in them as well.



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On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
>> > > equivalent).
>> >
>> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and real
>> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
>> >
>> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy papers. I
>> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have some private
>> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through the paper.
>> >
>>
>> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been slipping
>> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In January, a couple
>> more of the good columnists left, the price went up, and they wanted
>> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
>>
>> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
>> days.
>
>I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself from
>the coupons.

The coupons are all available online.

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
> >
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> > > >
> > > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
> > > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> > >
> > > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> > > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
> > > things? Or is life only about money?
> >
> > Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
> > states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
> > from the deli area.
> >
> > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
> > -on-
> > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
> > -908 29840d811.html
> >
> > It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
> > pre-made chickens here.
>
> It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
> going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can get.
> Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're putting
> in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup to have at
> least some basic standards about what they eat. Here, most people are
> totaly blinded by the 79 cents.

Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.

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wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> >> > > equivalent).
> >> >
> >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> >> >
> >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> the paper. >> >
> >>
> >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> >>
> >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> >> days.
> >
> > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > from the coupons.
>
> The coupons are all available online.

Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
it.

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wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> >> > > equivalent).
> >> >
> >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> >> >
> >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> the paper. >> >
> >>
> >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> >>
> >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> >> days.
> >
> > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > from the coupons.
>
> The coupons are all available online.



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wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> >> > > equivalent).
> >> >
> >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> >> >
> >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> the paper. >> >
> >>
> >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> >>
> >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> >> days.
> >
> > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > from the coupons.
>
> The coupons are all available online.



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On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 12:48:23 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 6:18:42 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
> > The NY Times recently had an article on the supermarket rotisserie
> > chickens. They are often loss leaders to get you into the store. I looked
> > at them in my local supermarket. The ingredient list went on and on.
> >
> > The other day for lunch I decided to see just what Whole Foods had in the
> > steam and cold tables. The food, with sales tax, approached $10/lb. They
> > also had the rotisserie chickens. The half chickens had a list of
> > ingredients, but the whole chickens had only salt and pepper. All the whole
> > chickens were labeled 1 lb 12 oz. With sales tax the price approached $10.
> >
> > I looked around and picked what looked like a large one. I got home. I
> > weighed it. It weighed 2.5 lbs! Are they always so generous in size? I
> > could have bought chicken from the steam tables. One pound would have been
> > the same price as the 2.5 pounds I got.
> >
> > Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).
>
> FrankenChickens!! On steroids!!
>
> John Kuthe...

At 2.5 pounds from Whole Foods?!? Not an especially large chicken and not on steroids. Is that 100% Butterfat Butter rotting your brain? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> > >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> > >> > > equivalent).
> > >> >
> > >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> > real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> > >> >
> > >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> > papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> > some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> > the paper. >> >
> > >>
> > >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> > slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> > January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> > up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> > >>
> > >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> > >> days.
> > >
> > > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > > from the coupons.
> >
> > The coupons are all available online.
>
> Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
> 'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
> it.

LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
in a way. Use it or lose it.

On 8/21/2016 2:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/21/2016 12:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
>>> especially at .79 a pound.
>>
>> I wonder if people know what's going on in their own country,
>> they seem to spend all their time worrying about what's up in
>> the US.
>
> Are you unable to look across a border in this day and age?

Unable? I have an internet connection and I can certainly look
at other country's news, obviously. The difference is I don't
spend all day combing your news for stuff I can bitch and moan
about to you constantly.

I am astonished when I look up some minor, who cares something and
I see it's reported in the foreign press.

nancy

On 8/21/2016 3:24 PM, Bruce wrote:

> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
> in a way. Use it or lose it.
>
That's why, when our old inkjet printer died, we switched to a laser
printer.

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > In article >, cshenk1
> > @cox.net says...
> > >
> > > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
> > > > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> > > >
> > > > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> > > > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
> > > > things? Or is life only about money?
> > >
> > > Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
> > > states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
> > > from the deli area.
> > >
> > > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
> > > -on-
> > > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
> > > -908 29840d811.html
> > >
> > > It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
> > > pre-made chickens here.
> >
> > It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
> > going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can get.
> > Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're putting
> > in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup to have at
> > least some basic standards about what they eat. Here, most people are
> > totaly blinded by the 79 cents.
>
> Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.

That's very friendly of you.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/21/2016 2:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 8/21/2016 12:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was raised on a chicken/turkey ranch, and I'll always eat both,
> >>> especially at .79 a pound.
> >>
> >> I wonder if people know what's going on in their own country,
> >> they seem to spend all their time worrying about what's up in
> >> the US.
> >
> > Are you unable to look across a border in this day and age?
>
> Unable? I have an internet connection and I can certainly look
> at other country's news, obviously. The difference is I don't
> spend all day combing your news for stuff I can bitch and moan
> about to you constantly.

I don't do that either. I'm also not saying things are better in
Australia. I just notice how obsessed people in rfc can be with the
cents they pay for their food and since the majority here are Americans,
I said what I said.

> I am astonished when I look up some minor, who cares something and
> I see it's reported in the foreign press.

I'm not sure what that means, but media here and in Europe are full of
news from other countries, not just from the US.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/21/2016 3:24 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
> > in a way. Use it or lose it.
> >
> That's why, when our old inkjet printer died, we switched to a laser
> printer.

I have a laser printer, but we use it so little, that it, too, dries out
after a few years. I still much prefer it over an inkjet printer though.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> In article >, cshenk1
>> @cox.net says...
>> >
>> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > In article >,
>> > > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
>> > > >
>> > > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
>> > > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
>> > >
>> > > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
>> > > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
>> > > things? Or is life only about money?
>> >
>> > Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
>> > states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
>> > from the deli area.
>> >
>> > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
>> > -on-
>> > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
>> > -908 29840d811.html
>> >
>> > It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
>> > pre-made chickens here.
>>
>> It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
>> going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can get.
>> Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're putting
>> in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup to have at
>> least some basic standards about what they eat. Here, most people are
>> totaly blinded by the 79 cents.
>
> Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.


It's not true anyway. When Foster Farms goes on sale for .79 at a particular
store, it has nothing to do with how the chicken is raised, but what the
store is putting on sale.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> In article >, cshenk1
> >> @cox.net says...
> >> >
> >> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> > > In article >,
> >> > > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
> >> > > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >> > >
> >> > > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> >> > > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
> >> > > things? Or is life only about money?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
> >> > states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
> >> > from the deli area.
> >> >
> >> > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
> >> > -on-
> >> > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
> >> > -908 29840d811.html
> >> >
> >> > It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or get
> >> > pre-made chickens here.
> >>
> >> It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
> >> going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can get.
> >> Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're putting
> >> in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup to have at
> >> least some basic standards about what they eat. Here, most people are
> >> totaly blinded by the 79 cents.
> >
> > Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.
>
>
> It's not true anyway. When Foster Farms goes on sale for .79 at a particular
> store, it has nothing to do with how the chicken is raised, but what the
> store is putting on sale.

Do you really think that a .79 cent chicken has been raised under
reasonable circumstances? You're not stupid.

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> > >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> > >> > > equivalent).
> > >> >
> > >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> > real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> > >> >
> > >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> > papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> > some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> > the paper. >> >
> > >>
> > >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> > slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> > January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> > up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> > >>
> > >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> > >> days.
> > >
> > > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > > from the coupons.
> >
> > The coupons are all available online.
>
> Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
> 'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
> it.

LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
in a way. Use it or lose it.
------------

I wish we got coupons like the ones I read about here.



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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:24:20 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, cshenk1
says...
>>
>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> > >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
>> > >> > > equivalent).
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
>> > real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
>> > papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
>> > some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
>> > the paper. >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
>> > slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
>> > January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
>> > up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
>> > >> days.
>> > >
>> > > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
>> > > from the coupons.
>> >
>> > The coupons are all available online.
>>
>> Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
>> 'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
>> it.
>
>LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>in a way. Use it or lose it.

I wasn't going to respond but it sure doesn't cost me 5 cents to print
a coupon !

On 8/21/2016 4:15 PM, Ophelia wrote:

> I wish we got coupons like the ones I read about here.
>
Tesco sometimes do email coupons.

In article >,
says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
> >
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
> > > >> > > equivalent).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
> > > real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
> > > papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
> > > some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
> > > the paper. >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
> > > slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
> > > January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
> > > up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
> > > >> days.
> > > >
> > > > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
> > > > from the coupons.
> > >
> > > The coupons are all available online.
> >
> > Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
> > 'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
> > it.
>
> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
> in a way. Use it or lose it.
> ------------
>
> I wish we got coupons like the ones I read about here.

We get discount coupons from supermarkets, based on how much we spend
there, but we buy most of our stuff somewhere else.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:24:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>in a way. Use it or lose it.

I presume you mean ink. Toner never dries out. It is already dry. I print
with laser printers. And toner is not cheap. I do have one ink jet printer,
as it also is an 11x17 scanner. Because in the past the ink dried out, this
printer every day at noon makes a noise and does something to the ink. So
even though I never use it to print, the ink still runs out after a year or
two.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:24:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
> >LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
> >in a way. Use it or lose it.
>
> I presume you mean ink. Toner never dries out. It is already dry.

Yes, that's true, I guess. Nevertheless my toner cartridge stops working
way before it can be empty. It must somehow have to do with its age.

> I print
> with laser printers. And toner is not cheap. I do have one ink jet printer,
> as it also is an 11x17 scanner. Because in the past the ink dried out, this
> printer every day at noon makes a noise and does something to the ink. So
> even though I never use it to print, the ink still runs out after a year or
> two.

I had to use an inkjet printer at an old job once. That taught me never
to buy one for myself.

A HP cartridge for my laser printer costs 200 AUD. So I just ordered a
16 AUD imitation. I wonder how that will go.

Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > cshenk1 @cox.net says...
> > > >
> >>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>> > In article >,
> >>> > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
> >>> > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> >>> >
> >>> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> >>> > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
> >>> > things? Or is life only about money?
> > > >
> >>> Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
> >>> states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
> >>> from the deli area.
> > > >
> >>>
> http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
> >>> -on- >>>
> virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
> >>> -908 29840d811.html
> > > >
> >>> It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or
> get >>> pre-made chickens here.
> > >
> > > It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
> > > going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can
> > > get. Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're
> > > putting in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup
> > > to have at least some basic standards about what they eat. Here,
> > > most people are totaly blinded by the 79 cents.
> >
> > Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.
>
>
> It's not true anyway. When Foster Farms goes on sale for .79 at a
> particular store, it has nothing to do with how the chicken is
> raised, but what the store is putting on sale.
>
> Cheri

Hi Cheri,

Bruce wants everyone to eat 100% GMO free and organic with cage free
and grass fed tossed in. Meantime, he's proabably pigging out on
battery chicken.

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In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> >
> > "cshenk" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > cshenk1 @cox.net says...
> > > > >
> > >>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > >
> > >>> > In article >,
> > >>> > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I live
> > >>> > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in the
> > >>> > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that report on
> > >>> > things? Or is life only about money?
> > > > >
> > >>> Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that most
> > >>> states tax food and the rate can be higher for 'pre-made' things
> > >>> from the deli area.
> > > > >
> > >>>
> > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...herty/high-tax
> > >>> -on- >>>
> > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-9302
> > >>> -908 29840d811.html
> > > > >
> > >>> It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much, or
> > get >>> pre-made chickens here.
> > > >
> > > > It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken, you're
> > > > going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat you can
> > > > get. Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of what you're
> > > > putting in your mouth. You'd expect people in a cooking newsgroup
> > > > to have at least some basic standards about what they eat. Here,
> > > > most people are totaly blinded by the 79 cents.
> > >
> > > Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.
> >
> >
> > It's not true anyway. When Foster Farms goes on sale for .79 at a
> > particular store, it has nothing to do with how the chicken is
> > raised, but what the store is putting on sale.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Bruce wants everyone to eat 100% GMO free and organic with cage free
> and grass fed tossed in.

You say that as if it would be a bad thing.

> Meantime, he's proabably pigging out on battery chicken.

I don't eat meat.

If someone's so poor that they can only afford battery chicken and
similar, then I'll shut up.

On 2016-08-21 3:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 8/21/2016 3:24 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>> in a way. Use it or lose it.
>>
> That's why, when our old inkjet printer died, we switched to a laser
> printer.

I was paying a lot for ink cartridges when I had a colour ink jet
printer. I was replacing cartridges at least once a month. I got fed up
and bought a laser printer because I had learned that the cost per page
was so much cheaper.

The printer was about twice the cost of the ink jet model but I figured
I would use it enough to save money on the long run, plus having faster
and higher quality printing. Thanks to my experience with replacing
ink cartridges I went out at the end of the first month and got a new
toner cartridge to have on hand. Holy crap. Ink was costing me about
$30 per month, but the toner cartridge was IIRC $113.95. I was not
thrilled ..... at first. I had that printer for more than three years
before I finally had to replace the cartridge.

I had that printer for about two more years before it started having
loading problems. I took it into a shop for repair. The techie told be
it would be about $150 for parts plus labour. He showed me a printer
they had on sale for $230. He showed me that my toner cartridge was
almost empty. It didn't make sense to repair the old printer when I
could get a newer, better and faster printer... with a full cartridge.

That was the first summer I had retired, 12 years ago. It was just a few
months ago that I replaced the cartridge for the second time, so I am
getting 5-6 years out of a cartridge. If I get four years out of a $110
cartridge it sounds like a pretty good deal compared to spending close
to $350 per year for 4 years.... $1,400 for ink vs $110 for laser.

On 2016-08-21 5:25 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:24:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>> in a way. Use it or lose it.
>
> I presume you mean ink. Toner never dries out. It is already dry. I print
> with laser printers. And toner is not cheap. I do have one ink jet printer,
> as it also is an 11x17 scanner. Because in the past the ink dried out, this
> printer every day at noon makes a noise and does something to the ink. So
> even though I never use it to print, the ink still runs out after a year or
> two.
>
You get a year out of an ink cartridge? I never got more than a month
out of one. As mentioned in an earlier post, I switched to laser and
pay about 1/10 th as much for toner as I was paying for ink.

>http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediasele...p04566b4.mp3On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:05:38 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> T...
>>
>> In article >, cshenk1
>> @cox.net says...
>> >
>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:30:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On 8/21/2016 7:21 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > > >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Millions of Americans never look at a newspaper (or the online
>> > > >> > > equivalent).
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I still prefer the printed media...real books, not ebooks and
>> > > real >> > paper newspapers not online news as the only viewing.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > For 12 years, I needed the newspapers too for ferret poopy
>> > > papers. I >> > still subscribe though. I get to work early so I have
>> > > some private >> > time. Nice peaceful morning time to look through
>> > > the paper. >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> After 50 years I cancelled the paper. The quality had been
>> > > slipping >> for a long time but finally reached my limit. In
>> > > January, a couple >> more of the good columnists left, the price went
>> > > up, and they wanted >> to charge to use their phone app in addition.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'm surviving but they may not. Subscriptions are way down these
>> > > >> days.
>> > > >
>> > > > I still get the paper 4 days a week. It more than pays for itself
>> > > > from the coupons.
>> > >
>> > > The coupons are all available online.
>> >
>> > Online ones do not double here and cost you ink to print. My 75cent
>> > 'whatever' becomes 1.50$ off and I dont have to spend 5cents printing
>> > it.
>>
>> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>> in a way. Use it or lose it.
>> ------------
>>
>> I wish we got coupons like the ones I read about here.
>
>We get discount coupons from supermarkets, based on how much we spend
>there, but we buy most of our stuff somewhere else.

I can't be bothered just for myself to trek round multiple
stupidmarkets so use the one nearest my abode. I realise they are
tracking me, but each week I get personalised offers, either money off
or extra air miles in email, I sometimes add or subtract from my list
but it serves my purposes well.

I have made a point of emailing them back when something greatly
displeases me and they are pretty quick to remedy it. Recently I went
to get carrots and they were all from Mexico or the USA, so I didn't
buy any at all and bitched about it. Now my favourites from PEI are
back on the shelf.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, Dave Smith > wrote:

>I had that printer for about two more years before it started having
>loading problems. I took it into a shop for repair. The techie told be
>it would be about $150 for parts plus labour. He showed me a printer
>they had on sale for $230. He showed me that my toner cartridge was
>almost empty. It didn't make sense to repair the old printer when I
>could get a newer, better and faster printer... with a full cartridge.

You didn't get a full cartridge. New laser printers start with a cartridge
that has less toner in it. You're not supposed to notice this.

The last time I had to replace my B&W laser printer I gave away the
partially full old cartridge for free on Craigslist.

I only print in color when necessary. So I still have plenty of toner left
in the original cartridge in my color laser printer

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:34:19 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

says...
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:24:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>> >LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
>> >in a way. Use it or lose it.
>>
>> I presume you mean ink. Toner never dries out. It is already dry.
>
>Yes, that's true, I guess. Nevertheless my toner cartridge stops working
>way before it can be empty. It must somehow have to do with its age.

They have chips in them that make them stop long before they are empty. If
you search the web, you can find how to trick them. Some you have to tape
over a hole. On my Brother there is a key sequence you have to key in. Then
you can continue to use it until it gets streaky. Then if you take it out
and shake it sideways back and forth you can stretch it even more.
Sometimes for what you print a few streaks are acceptable.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
> >
> > Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> > > "cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > cshenk1 @cox.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > >>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > > >
> > > >>> > In article >,
> > > >>> > gravesend10 @verizon.net says...
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Could have bought a 7 pound oven stuffer roaster where I
> > > live >>> > > for 79¢/lb... season and pop it in your oven.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Are Americans really completely unaware of what goes on in
> > > the >>> > chicken industry? Don't you have decent media that
> > > report on >>> > things? Or is life only about money?
> > > > > >
> > > >>> Yes, most of us know such. Sheldon doens't even know that
> > > most >>> states tax food and the rate can be higher for
> > > 'pre-made' things >>> from the deli area.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > http://pilotonline.com/news/local/co...ugherty/high-t
> > > ax >>> -on- >>>
> > > virginia-food-is-nothing-to-laugh-at/article_5597520e-b133-5b9e-93
> > > 02 >>> -908 29840d811.html
> > > > > >
> > > >>> It's not particularily astounding that I don't eat out much,
> > > or get >>> pre-made chickens here.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's just that if you're buying 79 cents per lbs chicken,
> > > > > you're going for the nastiest, cruelest, sickest kind of meat
> > > > > you can get. Both in terms of animal welfare and in terms of
> > > > > what you're putting in your mouth. You'd expect people in a
> > > > > cooking newsgroup to have at least some basic standards about
> > > > > what they eat. Here, most people are totaly blinded by the 79
> > > > > cents.
> > > >
> > > > Fine Bruce. Eat what you want.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's not true anyway. When Foster Farms goes on sale for .79 at a
> > > particular store, it has nothing to do with how the chicken is
> > > raised, but what the store is putting on sale.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > Hi Cheri,
> >
> > Bruce wants everyone to eat 100% GMO free and organic with cage free
> > and grass fed tossed in.
>
> You say that as if it would be a bad thing.

You act like that's all anyone is allowed to eat.

> > Meantime, he's proabably pigging out on battery chicken.
>
> I don't eat meat.

LOL, so that means you can be as snooty smug as you want at those with
a more normal diet.


> If someone's so poor that they can only afford battery chicken and
> similar, then I'll shut up.

There are several here and I'll admit my budget doesn't stretch too far
since I'm having to pay out of pocket for a kid in college. I could
probably manage free range without that bill but in reality, we are low
meat eaters and 50% of what we do eat in that protien line is seafoods.

Chicken here is normally whole and I get to **** off the dogs and cat
because all 6 of us like dark meat best, so the dogs and cats get the
breasts (pesky white meat, useful only for chicken salads).

You on the other hand look set to place a battle if someone says they
can't afford your version of meat when you say you are vegetarian and
have no dog in that fight.



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On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 11:46:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-08-21 3:37 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 8/21/2016 3:24 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> LOL. My toner dries out before I get to use it up. So I print for free,
> >> in a way. Use it or lose it.
> >>
> > That's why, when our old inkjet printer died, we switched to a laser
> > printer.
>
> I was paying a lot for ink cartridges when I had a colour ink jet
> printer. I was replacing cartridges at least once a month. I got fed up
> and bought a laser printer because I had learned that the cost per page
> was so much cheaper.
>
> The printer was about twice the cost of the ink jet model but I figured
> I would use it enough to save money on the long run, plus having faster
> and higher quality printing. Thanks to my experience with replacing
> ink cartridges I went out at the end of the first month and got a new
> toner cartridge to have on hand. Holy crap. Ink was costing me about
> $30 per month, but the toner cartridge was IIRC $113.95. I was not
> thrilled ..... at first. I had that printer for more than three years
> before I finally had to replace the cartridge.
>
> I had that printer for about two more years before it started having
> loading problems. I took it into a shop for repair. The techie told be
> it would be about $150 for parts plus labour. He showed me a printer
> they had on sale for $230. He showed me that my toner cartridge was
> almost empty. It didn't make sense to repair the old printer when I
> could get a newer, better and faster printer... with a full cartridge.
>
> That was the first summer I had retired, 12 years ago. It was just a few
> months ago that I replaced the cartridge for the second time, so I am
> getting 5-6 years out of a cartridge. If I get four years out of a $110
> cartridge it sounds like a pretty good deal compared to spending close
> to $350 per year for 4 years.... $1,400 for ink vs $110 for laser.

I'm looking out to buy an inkjet printer to print brochures. I had two printers but an office flood destroyed them. These are just cheap printers but they can print color pieces that will knock your socks off. Amazing! I can't say what kind of printers it is until I get one in my greasy little hands..

Most of the time I use a cheap Brother laser printer. It prints great and always works. It's also very fast. I agree with you there that these printers are a lot more reliable, cheaper, and faster, than inkjet.