On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> > Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
>> >> > completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
>> >>
>> >> They all look like warmed over death these days, but I still love their
>> >> music.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
>> >====
>>
>> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
>> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
>> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
>> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
>
>Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
>Do you also hate aging female musicians?

Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
> >> >> > completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
> >> >>
> >> >> They all look like warmed over death these days, but I still love their
> >> >> music.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
> >> >====
> >>
> >> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
> >> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
> >> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
> >> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
> >
> >Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
> >Do you also hate aging female musicians?
>
> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?

Joan Baez, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, etc, etc.

I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
supposed to hate each other.

>http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/news...pay-gap-ask/On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:36:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>> >> >> > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
>> >> >> > completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They all look like warmed over death these days, but I still love their
>> >> >> music.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheri
>> >> >
>> >> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
>> >> >====
>> >>
>> >> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
>> >> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
>> >> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
>> >> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
>> >
>> >Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
>> >Do you also hate aging female musicians?
>>
>> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?
>
>Joan Baez, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, etc, etc.
>
>I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
>supposed to hate each other.


It was you who brought up hate, not me. Looking for true equality is
not a matter of hate, it's trying to make it equal.

It's easy when you are with the favoured, did you see the latest
studies on men receiving pay raises more readily than women ?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/news/women-pay-gap-ask/

Cheri wrote:
>
> Gary if you want to discuss AGT the old American Idol group
> discusses them each week. alt.tv.american-idol, not sure if you're
> interested, but thought I'd mention it.

Thank you muchly, Cheri. I subscribed to it as soon as I saw your post.
Interesting to read. I'll at least keep on lurking...might post someday
soon. Thank you for the pointer.

wrote:
>
> "Cheri" wrote:
> >Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, and the list goes on....
> >
> >Cheri
>
> Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
> completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh

Keith Richards is a master of guitar. He smartly embalmed himself over
many years so he should last probably even longer than most of us.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 7:25:10 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?

Possibly I was born too old. I've never much cared for pop/rock music,
but of course since I've been surrounded by it all my life I've heard
a lot of it. Classical, jazz, and folk is what I listen to, and always
have.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> A man's appearance is never
> picked apart quite so nastily as a woman's.

Probably because men just age better.
Case in point....Sean Connery
- looked like a dork in the old James Bond movies
- now at old age he looks cool and women love him



Look at "Blondie" now
Look at Tina Louise oh man

That said, please DON'T look at me now. hehehh

wrote:
>
> Roy > wrote:
> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
> >====
>
> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.

We have old people here then we old people have "our parents" here. Roy
admitted he's 80 now. My parents generation that hated all the good
music in the 60's and beyond. I suspect lucretia is also in that
generation. Something she's mentioned in the past leads me to believe
this.

You two old farts! Rolling Stones are musical legends. Great music,
just not for old farts.

wrote:
>
> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?

Just few days ago I watched a bit of the Joan Baez 75th birthday concert
on PBS. Disturbing. And she also had ancient Paul Simon with her on
stage. Only PBS would show this worthless outdated nonsense. And
naturally, PBS was also begging for money constantly during that show.
PBS doesn't do commercials. Instead, they take that time to beg for
donations.

I don't want to hear all the "old" songs performed by Granny Joan and
Grampa Paul. Actually, they sounded fine, I just didn't want to see that
crap. And those shows are always the old songs. Since these has-beens
are still performing after all these years, did they not write any good
NEW songs? No, they just lived off of royalties until they ran out of
money. Now they bank on the nostalgia to keep alive. Notice the audience
on these presentations. All old people. hahaha

A huge fail was "The Who," the ancient Who performing at that SuperBowl
halftime years ago. Those old men should have stayed at home and played
with their grandchildren instead of playing their music.

Bruce wrote:
>
> I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
> supposed to hate each other.

Very old musicians should retire gracefully. It's not about men or
women. They ALL should just fade away and leave us with the good
memories, not a comeback attempt that shows grannies and grampa's
attempting to still be cool. They are not. Not any more.

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 09:18:24 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Roy > wrote:
>> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
>> >====
>>
>> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
>> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
>> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
>> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
>
>We have old people here then we old people have "our parents" here. Roy
>admitted he's 80 now. My parents generation that hated all the good
>music in the 60's and beyond. I suspect lucretia is also in that
>generation. Something she's mentioned in the past leads me to believe
>this.
>
>You two old farts! Rolling Stones are musical legends. Great music,
>just not for old farts.

Your lot are just craftily manipulated. Now the Beatles were supreme
musicians, their music was music and very clever.

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 09:19:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?
>
>Just few days ago I watched a bit of the Joan Baez 75th birthday concert
>on PBS. Disturbing. And she also had ancient Paul Simon with her on
>stage. Only PBS would show this worthless outdated nonsense. And
>naturally, PBS was also begging for money constantly during that show.
>PBS doesn't do commercials. Instead, they take that time to beg for
>donations.
>
>I don't want to hear all the "old" songs performed by Granny Joan and
>Grampa Paul. Actually, they sounded fine, I just didn't want to see that
>crap. And those shows are always the old songs. Since these has-beens
>are still performing after all these years, did they not write any good
>NEW songs? No, they just lived off of royalties until they ran out of
>money. Now they bank on the nostalgia to keep alive. Notice the audience
>on these presentations. All old people. hahaha
>
>A huge fail was "The Who," the ancient Who performing at that SuperBowl
>halftime years ago. Those old men should have stayed at home and played
>with their grandchildren instead of playing their music.

And yet you defend the raddled old Stones ! They're no better. I
don't watch PBS when they are fund raising but where else are you
going to find programmes like Frontline, Nova and some of the British
shows like Downton Abbey or Mr. Selfridge? PBS is great.

On 9/8/2016 4:30 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 15:18:28 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:39:16 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>> T...
>>>> People like Cowell are sharks that eat people and shit money.
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>> But he has made a lot of people a lot of money as well, so that's not a bad
>>> thing.
>>
>> That's hard to know for sure. Plenty of people have made 'lots' of
>> money in the music biz, only to have it eaten away by various
>> parasites. Net result is often they're broke but 'rich'.
>
>
> Many squander it themselves, booze and/or drugs.
>

And think of the taxes they pay, much of which is squandered as well.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 06:27:10 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 9/8/2016 4:30 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 15:18:28 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:39:16 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>>> T...
>>>>> People like Cowell are sharks that eat people and shit money.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>> But he has made a lot of people a lot of money as well, so that's not a bad
>>>> thing.
>>>
>>> That's hard to know for sure. Plenty of people have made 'lots' of
>>> money in the music biz, only to have it eaten away by various
>>> parasites. Net result is often they're broke but 'rich'.
>>
>>
>> Many squander it themselves, booze and/or drugs.
>>
>
>And think of the taxes they pay, much of which is squandered as well.

Now you're being naive if you don't know they have good tax
accountants who send it offshore.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 03:29:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 7:34:09 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any
>> >> > >> other
>> >> > >> way.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >nb
>> >> >
>> >> > Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>> >>
>> >> Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer.
>> >
>> > Looks didn't count in the careers of Barry Manilow, Amy Winehouse,
>> > Michael Jackson, Barbara Streisand, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, and the list goes on....
>>
>> Cheri
>
>I'm not one of those second- or third-wave feminists who blames
>everything on the male hegemony, but it seems obvious that for
>women in public life, looks matter (notwithstanding my earlier
>comment which implied without stating outright that I don't care
>what a good singer looks like). A man's appearance is never
>picked apart quite so nastily as a woman's.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It's inane/shallow to pick apart how a women in her mid 50s looks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Boyle
I don't think she was ever Miss Universe quality, she never pretended
to be, but as a young woman she wasn't bad looking at all:
https://nicescream.wordpress.com/200...g-susan-boyle/
There have been many world reknowned opera divas with no better
looks... people don't attend operas to look, they attend to listen,
most will have their eyes closed through the entire performance.
Pavarotti wasn't much to look at either, not even when he was young...
men sport facial hair to hide their unattractive looks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxWA2vqv7U

wrote:
> >
> Your lot are just craftily manipulated. Now the Beatles were supreme
> musicians, their music was music and very clever.

You'll get no argument from me there. The Beatles were the best of all
time. Together and later when they broke up, John Lennon and George
Harrison. Ringo was meh and Paul is a be-bop musician.

Lennon was my "musical hero." Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album
was amazing.

Nostalgia: I watched the Beatles when they first made their debut in
America. The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964, I think. Notice I said that I
watched them. I remember it being hard to hear them as during the entire
thing, all the girls in the audience were screaming.

Why do women do that? You go to see the Beatles, but then you scream
during the entire song? wth? I guess that's a Mars/Venus thing.

also more nostalgia: A few years later for Christmas, I got my first
stereo. With it was my very first LP's. They were "Meet the Beatles" and
the Beatles "2nd Album." I still have them both. :-D

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 08:31:44 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 03:29:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 7:34:09 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>> > In article >, says...
>>> >>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any
>>> >> > >> other
>>> >> > >> way.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >nb
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>>> >>
>>> >> Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer.

Not at all, in fact a female singer having a hot bod detracts from her
performance, the audience would be looking/gawking rather than
listening. Aretha Franklin wasn't a head turner but her audience
wasn't concerned with how she looked. Sammy's Davis Jr's looks didn't
prevent his becoming a super star. Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.



>>> > Looks didn't count in the careers of Barry Manilow, Amy Winehouse,
>>> > Michael Jackson, Barbara Streisand, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten.
>>> >
>>> > Janet UK
>>>
>>> Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, and the list goes on....
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>I'm not one of those second- or third-wave feminists who blames
>>everything on the male hegemony, but it seems obvious that for
>>women in public life, looks matter (notwithstanding my earlier
>>comment which implied without stating outright that I don't care
>>what a good singer looks like). A man's appearance is never
>>picked apart quite so nastily as a woman's.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Exactly right!

wrote:
>
> I
> don't watch PBS when they are fund raising but where else are you
> going to find programmes like Frontline, Nova and some of the British
> shows like Downton Abbey or Mr. Selfridge? PBS is great.

PBS is mostly *YAWN* and has-been material. Not all, I'll grant you, but
mostly.
They don't do commercials because no business would pay to advertise
there.
So instead, they gather our tax money (under the ARTS thing) and they
pretend not to advertise but they do. And then, every time they THINK
they are showing something special, they replace commercial time with
begging for donation time. I'd rather watch an amusing Geico
commercial.

Most of those British shows are majorly boring....actually they ALL are.
That's why they are shown on PBS only.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
>> supposed to hate each other.
>
> Very old musicians should retire gracefully. It's not about men or
> women. They ALL should just fade away and leave us with the good
> memories, not a comeback attempt that shows grannies and grampa's
> attempting to still be cool. They are not. Not any more.

I disagree with that. I aged right along with them and I still love the
music. I don't mind at all seeing them old, true that the voices aren't as
good as when they were young as well as other features, but then...neither
are mine, they will always be *boss* and *cool* to me.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> Roy > wrote:
>> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass
>> >garbage they put out.
>> >====
>>
>> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
>> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
>> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
>> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
>
> We have old people here then we old people have "our parents" here. Roy
> admitted he's 80 now. My parents generation that hated all the good
> music in the 60's and beyond. I suspect lucretia is also in that
> generation. Something she's mentioned in the past leads me to believe
> this.
>
> You two old farts! Rolling Stones are musical legends. Great music,
> just not for old farts.


Talk about somebody who is in denial. Do you think you're not classified as
an old fart by younger people? LOL

Cheri

In article >,
says...
>
> >http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/news...pay-gap-ask/On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:36:20 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >>
> >> >> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they
never
> >> >> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
> >> >> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
> >> >> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
> >> >
> >> >Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
> >> >Do you also hate aging female musicians?
> >>
> >> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?
> >
> >Joan Baez, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, etc, etc.
> >
> >I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
> >supposed to hate each other.
>
>
> It was you who brought up hate, not me. Looking for true equality is
> not a matter of hate, it's trying to make it equal.

Every gender related post of yours speaks of hatred.

> It's easy when you are with the favoured, did you see the latest
> studies on men receiving pay raises more readily than women ?
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/news/women-pay-gap-ask/

I haven't had a pay rise since 2002. I don't feel particularly favoured.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Gary if you want to discuss AGT the old American Idol group
>> discusses them each week. alt.tv.american-idol, not sure if you're
>> interested, but thought I'd mention it.
>
> Thank you muchly, Cheri. I subscribed to it as soon as I saw your post.
> Interesting to read. I'll at least keep on lurking...might post someday
> soon. Thank you for the pointer.

They also have a football pool going which is free and fun, dunno if you're
interested in that at all either, but you can check it out through Jason's
post to sign up. For this week, picks have to be done today since tonight is
the first game.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> "Cheri" wrote:
>> >Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, and the list goes on....
>> >
>> >Cheri
>>
>> Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
>> completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
>
> Keith Richards is a master of guitar. He smartly embalmed himself over
> many years so he should last probably even longer than most of us.

I love The Rolling Stones, and never tire of hearing them.

Cheri

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 09:19:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Just few days ago I watched a bit of the Joan Baez 75th birthday
concert
> >on PBS. Disturbing. And she also had ancient Paul Simon with her on
> >stage. Only PBS would show this worthless outdated nonsense. And
> >naturally, PBS was also begging for money constantly during that show.
> >PBS doesn't do commercials. Instead, they take that time to beg for
> >donations.
> >
> >I don't want to hear all the "old" songs performed by Granny Joan and
> >Grampa Paul. Actually, they sounded fine, I just didn't want to see that
> >crap. And those shows are always the old songs. Since these has-beens
> >are still performing after all these years, did they not write any good
> >NEW songs? No, they just lived off of royalties until they ran out of
> >money. Now they bank on the nostalgia to keep alive. Notice the audience
> >on these presentations. All old people. hahaha
> >
> >A huge fail was "The Who," the ancient Who performing at that SuperBowl
> >halftime years ago. Those old men should have stayed at home and played
> >with their grandchildren instead of playing their music.
>
> And yet you defend the raddled old Stones ! They're no better. I
> don't watch PBS when they are fund raising but where else are you
> going to find programmes like Frontline, Nova and some of the British
> shows like Downton Abbey or Mr. Selfridge? PBS is great.

Please don't present your personal taste as fact. Or I'll tell you what
I think of that geriatric Abbey stuff.

In article >, says...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> I've just never seen men and women as two different teams that are
> >> supposed to hate each other.
> >
> > Very old musicians should retire gracefully. It's not about men or
> > women. They ALL should just fade away and leave us with the good
> > memories, not a comeback attempt that shows grannies and grampa's
> > attempting to still be cool. They are not. Not any more.
>
> I disagree with that. I aged right along with them and I still love the
> music. I don't mind at all seeing them old, true that the voices aren't as
> good as when they were young as well as other features, but then...neither
> are mine, they will always be *boss* and *cool* to me.

Besides, you can hardly expect them all to commit suicide at a certain
age.

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.

Jackie who?

On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>
> Jackie who?
>


I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):

Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>
> Jackie who?
>


I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):

Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?

======

Not my type

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2016-09-08 9:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:

> We have old people here then we old people have "our parents" here. Roy
> admitted he's 80 now. My parents generation that hated all the good
> music in the 60's and beyond. I suspect lucretia is also in that
> generation. Something she's mentioned in the past leads me to believe
> this.
>
> You two old farts! Rolling Stones are musical legends. Great music,
> just not for old farts.

There are lots of legends who are widely adored by some while others are
indifferent to them. I really liked the Rolling Stones back in the mid
60s. AFAIAC, the music went right down the tubes shortly after. I have
no Rolling Stone CDs. I had ripped a couple of the other albums and
copied them to my MP3 player and then deleted them.


Disliking some of the songs of an era does not make one a complete
curmudgeon. There is lots of other good music from those days. Judging
from the number of oldies stations and the amount of air time given to
music of the decades I would say that the 60s and 70s music remains
popular and that pop music has been sliding downhill ever since.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:15:27 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>>
>> Jackie who?
>
>I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):
>
>Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?

I never thought Sinatra was a handsome man at any age but he had the
voice and a special style... he was also not very tall.
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Frank-Sinatra-807.html

On 2016-09-08 9:19 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?
>
> Just few days ago I watched a bit of the Joan Baez 75th birthday concert
> on PBS. Disturbing. And she also had ancient Paul Simon with her on
> stage. Only PBS would show this worthless outdated nonsense. And
> naturally, PBS was also begging for money constantly during that show.
> PBS doesn't do commercials. Instead, they take that time to beg for
> donations.

PBS seems to be getting worse and worse. I used to watch it occasionally
when they had good shows on, but then they started to ramp up the
begathons. They would bring out the old time favourites and announce
that" if you want to watch fine programming like..... " pledge now.
After the begathon was finished they would switch back to the same
crappy old programming that is noticeably absent from the begathon.


>
> I don't want to hear all the "old" songs performed by Granny Joan and
> Grampa Paul. Actually, they sounded fine, I just didn't want to see that
> crap. And those shows are always the old songs. Since these has-beens
> are still performing after all these years, did they not write any good
> NEW songs? No, they just lived off of royalties until they ran out of
> money. Now they bank on the nostalgia to keep alive. Notice the audience
> on these presentations. All old people. hahaha
>
> A huge fail was "The Who," the ancient Who performing at that SuperBowl
> halftime years ago. Those old men should have stayed at home and played
> with their grandchildren instead of playing their music.
>

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:16:35 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > A man's appearance is never
> > picked apart quite so nastily as a woman's.
>
> Probably because men just age better.
> Case in point....Sean Connery
> - looked like a dork in the old James Bond movies

Well, that's an opinion. Not mine, of course. I thought
he looked great as James Bond, and I thought he looked even
better in Time Bandits. I just looked at some recent
photos, and he is quite durable.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-09-08 10:17 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:

> You'll get no argument from me there. The Beatles were the best of all
> time. Together and later when they broke up, John Lennon and George
> Harrison. Ringo was meh and Paul is a be-bop musician.

I don't know about the best of all time. They were pretty good, as were
many others. Most of the songs they played were creations of the Lennon
and McCartney song writing time. They had a lot of help from their
production team. Some of my favourite songs were Harrison's but he had
a hard time getting past the song writing duo.



> Lennon was my "musical hero." Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album
> was amazing.
>
> Nostalgia: I watched the Beatles when they first made their debut in
> America. The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964, I think. Notice I said that I
> watched them. I remember it being hard to hear them as during the entire
> thing, all the girls in the audience were screaming.

I saw that show and I saw them live in Toronto. It turned me off the
large concert venues. As soon as the Beatles came on stage the girls
started screaming and I never heard a note. I was just a kid and didn't
appreciate the opening act, King Curtis. It was not until many years
later that I realized that the day I saw the Beatles I also saw Jimi
Hendrix. He was the guitarist for King Curtis on that tour.



>
> Why do women do that? You go to see the Beatles, but then you scream
> during the entire song? wth? I guess that's a Mars/Venus thing.


Beats me. I am sure they will try to find a way to blame men for it. ;-)

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
> On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>>
>> Jackie who?
>>
>
>
> I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):
>
> Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?
>
> ======
>
> Not my type

Or mine, I never thought he was attractive and I really don't care for his
singing either.

Cheri

On 2016-09-08 11:15 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>>
>> Jackie who?
>>
>
>
> I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):
>
> Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?


Justin Bieber is the puzzler of the current music scene. He is a
scrawny little kid who doesn't sing very well. I had to chuckle when
they had him for the half time entertainment at the Grey Cup and he got
booed. I don't know why they would engage a twerpy teen idol to
entertain football fans.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:15:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
> > >
> > Your lot are just craftily manipulated. Now the Beatles were supreme
> > musicians, their music was music and very clever.
>
> You'll get no argument from me there. The Beatles were the best of all
> time. Together and later when they broke up, John Lennon and George
> Harrison. Ringo was meh and Paul is a be-bop musician.
>
> Lennon was my "musical hero." Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album
> was amazing.
>
> Nostalgia: I watched the Beatles when they first made their debut in
> America. The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964, I think. Notice I said that I
> watched them. I remember it being hard to hear them as during the entire
> thing, all the girls in the audience were screaming.
>
> Why do women do that? You go to see the Beatles, but then you scream
> during the entire song? wth? I guess that's a Mars/Venus thing.
>
> also more nostalgia: A few years later for Christmas, I got my first
> stereo. With it was my very first LP's. They were "Meet the Beatles" and
> the Beatles "2nd Album." I still have them both. :-D

I played the crap out of both of those, my cat scratched up the jackets,
and by the time I was done with vinyl they weren't worth doodly. They
ended up in the garbage with Shatner's "The Transformed Man" and (sadly)
Segovia and my favorite recording of the Brandenberg Concerti. My
husband's musical taste is a little more mainstream than mine; I believe
he's got some Beatles on CD and maybe downloaded from Itunes.

I had Beatlemania just like all of the girls in my cohort, even though
overall I wasn't a fan of rock music.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:21:51 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Not at all, in fact a female singer having a hot bod detracts from her
> performance, the audience would be looking/gawking rather than
> listening. Aretha Franklin wasn't a head turner but her audience
> wasn't concerned with how she looked. Sammy's Davis Jr's looks didn't
> prevent his becoming a super star. Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.

I can see you don't know anything about the popular music business since the
inception of the music video.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
> On 9/8/2016 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, gravesend10
>> @verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> Anyone think Jackie Gleason was an
>>> Adonis, yet he truly was The Greatest.
>>
>> Jackie who?
>>
>
>
> I have always wondered this (perhaps a question for the ladies):
>
> Do you consider the young Frank Sinatra to be a looker?
>
> ======
>
> Not my type

Or mine, I never thought he was attractive and I really don't care for his
singing either.

Cheri

===============

Nope, didn't like his singing either. A bit bland.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he looks
> >> >> > completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
> >> >>
> >> >> They all look like warmed over death these days, but I still love their
> >> >> music.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass garbage they put out.
> >> >====
> >>
> >> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
> >> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
> >> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
> >> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
> >
> >Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
> >Do you also hate aging female musicians?
>
> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?

Dolly Parton,70
Cleo Laine, 90
Aretha Franklin 74
Barbara Streisand 74
Carol King 74

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 21:25:02 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 5:56:12 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>> >> >> > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Keith Richards, top of the list, saw him the other day and he
>> >> >> > looks
>> >> >> > completely pickled and cast in stone, urrgh
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They all look like warmed over death these days, but I still love
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> music.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheri
>> >> >
>> >> >I'd love it if they would start to play music instead of that crass
>> >> >garbage they put out.
>> >> >====
>> >>
>> >> Good lord Roy ! You're looking for them to be musicians, they never
>> >> were and they never will be. They lucked in on one theme and have
>> >> flogged it ever since. Hope it's strenuous these days for Jagger to
>> >> prance around the stage with an old fashioned mike.
>> >
>> >Are you all too old to appreciate pop/rock music? Is that what this is?
>> >Do you also hate aging female musicians?
>>
>> Tell me who the aging female musicians are ?
>
> Dolly Parton,70
> Cleo Laine, 90
> Aretha Franklin 74
> Barbara Streisand 74
> Carol King 74
>
> Janet UK

And Diana Ross 73