On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:40:51 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
>>
>
>That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
>years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
>Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
>
>As far as Spain goes, they had many colonies around the world as did
>England. For some reason, the former British colonies seem to have fared
>better in modern times than the Spanish ones.

Huh? Is that why most of Central and South America predominently
speak Spanish? Wasn't so very long ago that the entire US south spoke
Spanish, from Florida to California. Most Texans still speak
Spanglish... and would rather their employers offered Siesta time
rather than health insurance.

Dave Smith wrote:
>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>> world.
>
>The Portuguese were among the first well recorded explorers.

Actually long before that would be the Norse.

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
> > night at dinnertime.
>
> And you know that how?
>
>
Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
answer your question?
>
> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>
I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
of what we eat.
>
> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>
How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:58:07 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Huh? Is that why most of Central and South America predominently
> speak Spanish? Wasn't so very long ago that the entire US south spoke
> Spanish, from Florida to California. Most Texans still speak
> Spanglish... and would rather their employers offered Siesta time
> rather than health insurance.
>
>
The language of Brazil is Portuguese and Brazil is a dang
large country if you haven't looked at a map lately.

The 1940's star Carmen Miranda was from Brazil and that
wasn't Spanish she was speaking!

On 9/17/2016 12:03 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>>> world.
>>
>> The Portuguese were among the first well recorded explorers.
>
> Actually long before that would be the Norse.
>
Yes, and before them the Phoenicians.

On 9/17/2016 11:11 AM, Gary wrote:

>
>
>> Yep, the "Hawaiian" bread I've tasted is incredibly sweet. No thanks!
>
> That was my first-try thought but then I bought a 4-pak and really
> liked them. I suspect it depends on what you are eating them with.
>

Yes. Not something I'd use for a sandwich, but with breakfast and cup
of tea, sure, it would be good.

On 9/17/2016 11:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:49:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:41:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please will you explain 'corn pudding'? Remember, my 'pudding' is your
>>> 'dessert', so i am a bit confused
>>>
>>> Is it anything like cornbread? If so, why is it call pudding?
>>
>> A better question is "Why do the British call dessert pudding"?
>
> Google doesn't work where you are? The first hit that I got was
> very believable:
>
> <http://greatbritishmag.co.uk/lifestyle/why-do-brits-call-dessert-pudding>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
All this does is remind me of the song by Pink Floyd (The Wall) - "How
can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5diMImYIIA

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Jill

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:26:22 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> I call it Corn Pudding because that's what the recipe calls it. :-) It is
>> sort of creamy on the inside and kind of crisp on the outside. I usually
>> make it for Thanksgiving as one of the side dishes since my family loves
>> it.
>>
>> 2/3 Cup all purpose flour
>> 2/3 cup coarse yellow cornmeal
>> 2 TBS sugar
>> 1 TBS baking powder
>> 1/4 tsp salt
>> 2 TBS oil
>> 1 can sweet corn drained
>> 1 can creamed corn
>> 3 eggs
>> 1/4 cup of heavy cream.
>>
>> Preheat oven to 400
>>
>> In large bowl mix flour, cornmeal, sugar, baking powder and salt. Mix
>> well
>> and
>> distribute the oil through the mixture using a whisk.
>>
>> Once combined, add the rest of the ingredients and stir until mixed.
>>
>> Bake for 45 minutes to an hour or until top is browned and cooked
>> through.
>> Test
>> for doneness. If top gets too brown before the center is finished,
>> lightly
>> cover
>> with foil.
>>
>> "If desired you can sprinkle with 1 cup of grated cheese while warm. This
>> is
>> very
>> good and I prefer without the cheese, but I do like a little extra butter
>> on
>> my
>> serving when done."
>
> That's an interesting variation on corn pudding I'm not familiar with.

Honestly, I have never put the cheese on it, but that's what is in the
recipe exactly as written.

Cheri

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 5:58:07 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:40:51 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> >On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
> >> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
> >>
> >
> >That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
> >world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
> >years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
> >Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
> >
> >As far as Spain goes, they had many colonies around the world as did
> >England. For some reason, the former British colonies seem to have fared
> >better in modern times than the Spanish ones.
>
> Huh? Is that why most of Central and South America predominently
> speak Spanish? Wasn't so very long ago that the entire US south spoke
> Spanish, from Florida to California. Most Texans still speak
> Spanglish... and would rather their employers offered Siesta time
> rather than health insurance.

When I say "fared better" I mean economically not linguistically predominant.

On 2016-09-17 11:57 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:40:51 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
>>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
>>>
>>
>> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
>> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
>> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
>>
>> As far as Spain goes, they had many colonies around the world as did
>> England. For some reason, the former British colonies seem to have fared
>> better in modern times than the Spanish ones.
>
> Huh? Is that why most of Central and South America predominently
> speak Spanish?

Yes, they do speak Spanish, but despite having been established earlier
many of them are still struggling and looking to the north for help.
There are many times more Mexicans and other Latinos moving to the
US,legally or illegally, than the other way around. Many of them are
looking for jobs and many of them are looking for a safer place to live,
one where it is easier to tell the difference between criminal gangs and
the police.



> Wasn't so very long ago that the entire US south spoke
> Spanish, from Florida to California.


True enough.... right up to west coast to Alaska. They made a minimal
effort to establish settlements in order to establish sovereignty before
the English or Russians could claim it, but that didn't really work out
so well. FWIW, the US tried to buy the southwest from Mexico, but they
refused to sell, so the US provoked a war and when they won that one the
terms of the treaty to end it included selling that same territory for
the same price.

On 2016-09-17 12:03 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>>> world.
>>
>> The Portuguese were among the first well recorded explorers.
>
> Actually long before that would be the Norse.
>
And possibly an Irish monk about 500 years before the Norse.

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:23:31 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/17/2016 11:11 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> Yep, the "Hawaiian" bread I've tasted is incredibly sweet. No thanks!
> >
> > That was my first-try thought but then I bought a 4-pak and really
> > liked them. I suspect it depends on what you are eating them with.
> >
>
> Yes. Not something I'd use for a sandwich, but with breakfast and cup
> of tea, sure, it would be good.

I'd suggest that the guy next door serve Guy Fieri's lamb sliders at his restaurant but there's no telling if that would be a hit or a bomb so I have second thoughts.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/g...li-recipe.html

l not -l wrote:
> On 17-Sep-2016, wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>> " wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>>>> night at dinnertime.
>>>
>>> And you know that how?
>>>
>>>
>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>> answer your question?
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>>>
>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>> of what we eat.
>>>
>>> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>>>
>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>
> I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
> have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
> biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
> every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
> had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
> included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
> earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
> cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
> cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>
> I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
> What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
> reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
> the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
> smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
> sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
> bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
> grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
> grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
> people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
> great.
>
> In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
> cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
> our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
> Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
> poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>

Kentucky was not a confederate state, but it was close to
the confederate border, like maryland.

A lot of things vary in the south itself. For example,
People have different ideas of barbecue sauce from the
carolinas through to texas, though both were surely members
of the confederacy.

Even the african people that still inhabit the south have
different traditions and tribal allegiances. Good examples
of african food is in the new orleans fusion of negro and
french cuisine, or the old south food available in Atlanta,
and most cities in the south.

Southern food is not just the moldy, stained recipes of old
white women, or old negro women.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:42:06 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:48:22 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2016 5:22 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:32:07 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> William, the nearest Cracker Barrel is in Georgia, I'm in South
>>>> Carolina. They did serve a great breakfast at the one I went to in
>>>> Memphis. No corn muffins served with breakfast.
>>>
>>> http://shop.crackerbarrel.com/food-c...fin-mix/273068
>>>
>> Uh, so? I said they didn't serve corn muffins when I ate there for
>> breakfast in Memphis. I didn't say they don't sell corn muffin mix. I
>> don't need no steekin' mix.
>
>Well, the description does say "same as we serve in our restaurants".
>I'd look at their menu but I'm too lazy. I would think they serve
>cornbread, though. But I haven't eaten there since January 1997 in
>Reynoldsburg Ohio.
>
>-sw

they have a huge country breakfast...bacon,eggs,sourdough grilled
toast, hash browns, heaps of bisquits and bowls of gravy...

William

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:49:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:41:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Please will you explain 'corn pudding'? Remember, my 'pudding' is your
> > > 'dessert', so i am a bit confused
> > >
> > > Is it anything like cornbread? If so, why is it call pudding?
> >
> > A better question is "Why do the British call dessert pudding"?
>
> Google doesn't work where you are? The first hit that I got was
> very believable:
>
> <http://greatbritishmag.co.uk/lifestyle/why-do-brits-call-dessert-pudding>
>
I knew that already. It's not a real answer, and basically calls them
classist snobs.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 17-Sep-2016, wrote:

> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > " wrote:
> > >
> > > In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
> > > night at dinnertime.
> >
> > And you know that how?
> >
> >
> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
> answer your question?
> >
> > Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
> >
> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
> of what we eat.
> >
> > Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
> >
> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.

I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
cornbread with butter and sorghum.

I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
great.

In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
poured into a bottle of RC cola.
--
Change Cujo to Juno for email.

=============

Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:49:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:41:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please will you explain 'corn pudding'? Remember, my 'pudding' is your
> > > > 'dessert', so i am a bit confused
> > > >
> > > > Is it anything like cornbread? If so, why is it call pudding?
> > >
> > > A better question is "Why do the British call dessert pudding"?
> >
> > Google doesn't work where you are? The first hit that I got was
> > very believable:
> >
> > <http://greatbritishmag.co.uk/lifestyle/why-do-brits-call-dessert-pudding>
> >
> I knew that already. It's not a real answer, and basically calls them
> classist snobs.

The English invented the language, so whatever they do, they're always
right.

In article >, says...
>
> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
> > In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
> >
>
> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.

500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
India, Indonesia and China)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history

Janet.

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 4:44:26 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:49:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:41:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Please will you explain 'corn pudding'? Remember, my 'pudding' is your
> > > > > 'dessert', so i am a bit confused
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it anything like cornbread? If so, why is it call pudding?
> > > >
> > > > A better question is "Why do the British call dessert pudding"?
> > >
> > > Google doesn't work where you are? The first hit that I got was
> > > very believable:
> > >
> > > <http://greatbritishmag.co.uk/lifestyle/why-do-brits-call-dessert-pudding>
> > >
> > I knew that already. It's not a real answer, and basically calls them
> > classist snobs.
>
> The English invented the language, so whatever they do, they're always
> right.

The Romans invented Latin, anything other than Classical Latin is incorrect.

Cindy Hamilton

Janet wrote:
>
> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
> Portuguese.

Actually Nagasaki was founded by the orginal Japanese.
Then the Portuguese came along ant claimed it.
On August 9 1945, the US reset it back to (ground) zero.
Paybacks and all that.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 4:44:26 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 10:49:18 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:41:01 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please will you explain 'corn pudding'? Remember, my 'pudding' is your
> > > > > > 'dessert', so i am a bit confused
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it anything like cornbread? If so, why is it call pudding?
> > > > >
> > > > > A better question is "Why do the British call dessert pudding"?
> > > >
> > > > Google doesn't work where you are? The first hit that I got was
> > > > very believable:
> > > >
> > > > <http://greatbritishmag.co.uk/lifestyle/why-do-brits-call-dessert-pudding>
> > > >
> > > I knew that already. It's not a real answer, and basically calls them
> > > classist snobs.
> >
> > The English invented the language, so whatever they do, they're always
> > right.
>
> The Romans invented Latin, anything other than Classical Latin is incorrect.

"The Rise ant Fall of the Roman Empire" and Classical Latin is totally
dead except for the medical field and the Ivy League Universities.

People seem to think that being educated with Latin included is cool and
makes them special. I turned away from those classes. Why bother? WTH?

Ophelia wrote:
>"l not -l" wrote:
>>Gary wrote:
>> > itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>> > > night at dinnertime.
>> >
>> > And you know that how?
>> >
>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>> answer your question?
>> >
>> > Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>> >
>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>> of what we eat.
>> >
>> > Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>> >
>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>
>I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
>have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>
>I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
>What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
>reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
>the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
>smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
>sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
>grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
>people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>great.
>
>In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
>cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>
>Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!

Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
This was home for four years:
https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
(destroyer escort) galley:
http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html

On 9/18/2016 6:56 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "l not -l" wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>>>>> night at dinnertime.
>>>>
>>>> And you know that how?
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>>> answer your question?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>>>>
>>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>>> of what we eat.
>>>>
>>>> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>>>>
>>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>>
>> I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
>> have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>> biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>> every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>> had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>> included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>> earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>> cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>> cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>>
>> I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
>> What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
>> reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
>> the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
>> smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
>> sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>> bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
>> grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>> grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
>> people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>> great.
>>
>> In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
>> cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>> our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>> Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>> poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!
>
> Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
> I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
> of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
> was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
> it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
> from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
> that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
> those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
> easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
> surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
> gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
> northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
> baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
> every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
> was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
> Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
> southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
> That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
> wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
> an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
> drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
> there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
> This was home for four years:
> https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
> Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
> (destroyer escort) galley:
> http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html
>


I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
interesting.

Well, Gary, everybody has their own tastes. I love cornmeal muffins, especially
when baked in a corn stick pan. Yummy, especially with some red currant jelly.

N.

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
> while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
> interesting.

You wanna maybe send again with all links?
I don't remember seeing that but I'm interested.

On 9/18/2016 8:09 AM, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
>> while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
>> interesting.
>
> You wanna maybe send again with all links?
> I don't remember seeing that but I'm interested.
>

Let's see if this link brings up my old post.


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.food.cooking/destroyer|sort:relevance/rec.food.cooking/V0YIuiO-xYU/5sdz3SxiAQAJ

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Well, Gary, everybody has their own tastes. I love cornmeal muffins, especially
> when baked in a corn stick pan. Yummy, especially with some red currant jelly.
>
> N.

I've always baked them cake-like in an 8" round pan.
The cast iron hot thing does sound good to me.
I'll bet the crispy outsides do make a difference (towards the good
side)

I just bought (for the first time in 40 years) a jar of orange
marmalade. OMG, it's so good on a buttered bun. Also fantastic on a
peanut buttered bun.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

Ophelia wrote:
>"l not -l" wrote:
>>Gary wrote:
>> > itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>> > > night at dinnertime.
>> >
>> > And you know that how?
>> >
>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>> answer your question?
>> >
>> > Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>> >
>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>> of what we eat.
>> >
>> > Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>> >
>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>
>I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
>have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>
>I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern"
>food.
>What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans;
>the
>reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
>the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
>smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they
>couldn't
>sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden,
>my
>grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
>people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>great.
>
>In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
>cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>
>Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!

Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
This was home for four years:
https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
(destroyer escort) galley:
http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html

======================

Interesting stuff too Thanks I guess everyone likes best what they
are used to or were raised with. One isn't better than the other, just
different)



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"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 9/18/2016 6:56 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "l not -l" wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>>>>> night at dinnertime.
>>>>
>>>> And you know that how?
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>>> answer your question?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>>>>
>>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>>> of what we eat.
>>>>
>>>> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>>>>
>>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>>
>> I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue
>> to
>> have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>> biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>> every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>> had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>> included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>> earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>> cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>> cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>>
>> I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern"
>> food.
>> What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans;
>> the
>> reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout
>> at
>> the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks
>> or
>> smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they
>> couldn't
>> sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>> bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden,
>> my
>> grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>> grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is
>> what
>> people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>> great.
>>
>> In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more
>> of
>> cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>> our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>> Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>> poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!
>
> Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
> I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
> of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
> was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
> it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
> from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
> that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
> those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
> easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
> surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
> gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
> northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
> baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
> every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
> was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
> Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
> southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
> That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
> wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
> an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
> drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
> there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
> This was home for four years:
> https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
> Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
> (destroyer escort) galley:
> http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html
>


I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
interesting.
=============

I didn't see them.



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"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 9/18/2016 8:09 AM, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
>> while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
>> interesting.
>
> You wanna maybe send again with all links?
> I don't remember seeing that but I'm interested.
>

Let's see if this link brings up my old post.


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.food.cooking/destroyer|sort:relevance/rec.food.cooking/V0YIuiO-xYU/5sdz3SxiAQAJ

=====================

Thanks for that!! I can see now why I didn't read it all. Sometimes
arguments et al just get too much and I stay away for a while.



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On 9/18/2016 6:56 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "l not -l" wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>>>>> night at dinnertime.
>>>>
>>>> And you know that how?
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>>> answer your question?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>>>>
>>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>>> of what we eat.
>>>>
>>>> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>>>>
>>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>>
>> I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
>> have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>> biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>> every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>> had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>> included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>> earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>> cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>> cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>>
>> I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
>> What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
>> reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
>> the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
>> smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
>> sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>> bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
>> grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>> grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
>> people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>> great.
>>
>> In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
>> cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>> our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>> Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>> poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!
>
> Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
> I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
> of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
> was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
> it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
> from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
> that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
> those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
> easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
> surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
> gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
> northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
> baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
> every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
> was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
> Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
> southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
> That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
> wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
> an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
> drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
> there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
> This was home for four years:
> https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
> Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
> (destroyer escort) galley:
> http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html
>


and yet your links show stoves and pots in a destroyer galley.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I guess everyone likes best what they
> are used to or were raised with. One isn't better than the other, just
> different)

Yep. That's the bottom line with food.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> Interesting stuff too Thanks I guess everyone likes best what they
> are used to or were raised with. One isn't better than the other, just
> different)

Yep, though it's apparently hard for some posters to accept that. LOL

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> Interesting stuff too Thanks I guess everyone likes best what they
> are used to or were raised with. One isn't better than the other, just
> different)

Yep, though it's apparently hard for some posters to accept that. LOL

Cheri
==========

So it would seem)



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On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
> > > In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
> > >
> >
> > That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
> > world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
> > years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
> > Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
>
> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
> Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
> India, Indonesia and China)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history
>
> Janet.

That's interesting - I did not know this. Thanks. So that's how the Japanese got castilla cake. Castilla cake is a cake that has only 4 ingredients yet is one of the hardest cakes to get right. It is typically sold in gift boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7b9Nutaok

On 9/18/2016 10:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
>>>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>>> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
>>> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
>>> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
>>
>> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
>> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
>> Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
>> India, Indonesia and China)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history
>>
>> Janet.
>
> That's interesting - I did not know this. Thanks. So that's how the Japanese got castilla cake. Castilla cake is a cake that has only 4 ingredients yet is one of the hardest cakes to get right. It is typically sold in gift boxes.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7b9Nutaok
>


The Japanese word for bread is: pan

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 9/18/2016 10:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
>>>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
>>> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
>>> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
>>> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and
>>> stocky.
>>
>> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
>> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
>> Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
>> India, Indonesia and China)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history
>>
>> Janet.
>
> That's interesting - I did not know this. Thanks. So that's how the
> Japanese got castilla cake. Castilla cake is a cake that has only 4
> ingredients yet is one of the hardest cakes to get right. It is typically
> sold in gift boxes.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7b9Nutaok
>


The Japanese word for bread is: pan

====



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On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 10:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> >> In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
> >>>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
> >>> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
> >>> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
> >>> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
> >>
> >> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
> >> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
> >> Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
> >> India, Indonesia and China)
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history
> >>
> >> Janet.
> >
> > That's interesting - I did not know this. Thanks. So that's how the Japanese got castilla cake. Castilla cake is a cake that has only 4 ingredients yet is one of the hardest cakes to get right. It is typically sold in gift boxes.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7b9Nutaok
> >
>
>
> The Japanese word for bread is: pan

Strangely enough, Japanese bakeries are popular in Hawaii. The Japanese bakeries are patterned after French bakeries.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/la-palme-d-...c=best_of_yelp

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 10:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> >> In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/2016 12:43 PM, wrote:
> >>>> In the past both Spain and Portugal were very important.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That would be true. The Portuguese were the first great explorers of the
> >>> world. My guess is that a Portuguese sailor landed in Okinawa 600 or so
> >>> years ago and proceeded to spread his seed around. This resulted in the
> >>> Okinawans looking distinctly different from the Japanese - hairy and stocky.
> >>
> >> 500 years ago Portugal had extensive spice trade links with Japan,
> >> plus Jesuit Catholic missions there. Nagasaki (city) was founded by the
> >> Portuguese. (The Portuguese had established trade with East Africa,
> >> India, Indonesia and China)
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasa...modern_history
> >>
> >> Janet.
> >
> > That's interesting - I did not know this. Thanks. So that's how the Japanese got castilla cake. Castilla cake is a cake that has only 4 ingredients yet is one of the hardest cakes to get right. It is typically sold in gift boxes.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7b9Nutaok
> >
>
>
> The Japanese word for bread is: pan

The Japanese word for apple is ringo. Why ringo? I don't know. Here's Shiina Ringo symbolically chopping herself to bits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtehTFNJKgo

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 07:51:45 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 9/18/2016 6:56 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> "l not -l" wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>> itsjoannotjoan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In many Southern homes cornbread is on the table EVERY
>>>>>> night at dinnertime.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you know that how?
>>>>>
>>>> Ummmmmmm, because *I* live in the South. Does that
>>>> answer your question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you are just stereotyping Southern people.
>>>>>
>>>> I've lived in the South ALL my life and I have a fair idea
>>>> of what we eat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do all black people love watermelon and Moon Pies?
>>>>>
>>>> How did watermelon, Moon Pies and black people enter into
>>>> this conversation? I'm not black and I love watermelon
>>>> but I detest Moon Pies. If I live to be 100 and never see
>>>> another Moon Pie again it will be too soon.
>>>
>>> I lived in the south (Kentucky) from birth until I was 12, and continue to
>>> have ties (family and property) there still. One of my grandmothers had
>>> biscuits AND cornbread (or corn muffins, cakes, sticks, etc) on the table
>>> every meal I ever had there. Those grandparents were share-cropppers and
>>> had several family members working the fields; dinner (noon meal) always
>>> included feeding the "hands". My other grandmother, though she had in
>>> earlier years, did not cook for field hands; she always had biscuits OR
>>> cornbread on the table. One of my favorite things to eat as a child was
>>> cornbread with butter and sorghum.
>>>
>>> I have noticed that a lot of people don't really understand "southern" food.
>>> What is often called "soul" food is thought to be for African Americans; the
>>> reality is, it is what cash-poor people ate. Sometimes when I checkout at
>>> the supermarket an AA checker will ask me why I have collards, or hocks or
>>> smoked jowl or whatever. A share-cropper family ate the stuff they couldn't
>>> sell at a good price and, much of the year, had little cash; therefore
>>> bought only necessary pantry items. In addition to food from the garden, my
>>> grandparents would forage; we ate collards and other greens when my
>>> grandfather found them growing wild in/near his fields. Soul food is what
>>> people of limited means lived on; and, they learned how to make it taste
>>> great.
>>>
>>> In the western KY of my youth more people (black or white) thought more of
>>> cantaloupe varieties than watermelon; but, Moon Pies were a big seller at
>>> our general store. The three biggest selling "treats" at that store were
>>> Moon Pies, Bluebird brand personal pies (single serve) and Tom's peanuts
>>> poured into a bottle of RC cola.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing. I love hearing how families lived 'back in the day'!
>>
>> Yes, very interesting post, learned about Tom's Peanuts... thank you.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Snacks
>> I learned a lot about southern food in the navy being that about 75%
>> of the crew were southerners and of those more than half were black. I
>> was constantly being told the "right" way to cook this and that like
>> it was done at home, and lots of arguments ensued between southerners
>> from differeent areas, even from the same state. I quickly found out
>> that most southerners had never seen spaghetti, some wouldn't eat
>> those 'worms' while some tried it and liked it so much they could
>> easily consume a whole pound and more. One thing you may find
>> surprising is that southerners much prefered ham steaks with red eye
>> gravy and breakfast sausages to bacon, it was primarily the
>> northerners who prefered bacon and not too crisp, limp was prefered. I
>> baked an awful lot of corn bread in huge roasting pans, it was served
>> every day... no one wanted it with bacon grease, the most popular way
>> was drowned in white sauce with breakfast sausages (southern SOS).
>> Corn bread smothered with baked beans was also popular among
>> southerners. Northerners preferred pound cake and bread pudding.
>> That southerners like blackeyed peas has to be a myth, they only
>> wanted navy beans prepared Boston style... most every night I put up
>> an 80 quart kopper with beans (a la Heinz pork n' beans style), every
>> drop was eaten for breakfast. A kopper is a steam jacketed kettle,
>> there were no pots or stoves in a ship's galley.
>> This was home for four years:
>> https://ussjohnpauljones.org/images/...ernization.jpg
>> Couldn't find images of a DD galley. found an image of a DDE
>> (destroyer escort) galley:
>> http://www.ussslater.org/tour/decks/...ey/galley.html
>>
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>
>I posted several design plans and photos from WWII destroyers galleys a
>while back, but nobody bothered to comment. I thought they were pretty
>interesting.

I didn't see them, perhaps they weren't labeled as such or I certainly
would have looked. Please repost.