On 9/22/2016 11:04 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 12:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Some horse drawn carriages had glass lamps with candles so you could see
>> after dark.
>>
>> I suspect the carriage was often "self-driving" because the horse knew
>> the way home.
>>
> My Dad said that his father's horse always knew its way home (early 1900s).
>
I saw many cases of that when I was doing geological fieldwork in SW
Ireland. Having delivered the morning milk to the dairy, the horsedrawn
cart was returning to the farm with the owner sitting on the back of the
cart, facing backwards and reading the racing pages.

On 9/22/2016 1:33 PM, graham wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 11:04 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 9/22/2016 12:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Some horse drawn carriages had glass lamps with candles so you could see
>>> after dark.
>>>
>>> I suspect the carriage was often "self-driving" because the horse knew
>>> the way home.
>>>
>> My Dad said that his father's horse always knew its way home (early
>> 1900s).
>>
> I saw many cases of that when I was doing geological fieldwork in SW
> Ireland. Having delivered the morning milk to the dairy, the horsedrawn
> cart was returning to the farm with the owner sitting on the back of the
> cart, facing backwards and reading the racing pages.

I was born in the wrong era and in the wrong country.

Jill

On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
>

>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>
> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
>
> Cheri

I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
circumstances.
1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
2. The technology has proven to be safe.

Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
get it.

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 6:02:46 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-09-21, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>
> It's progressing cuz it's yet another goal of big biz to not pay for
> labor. Big Biz is looking to reduce labor and its anti-slave-labor
> inevitables, unions. People do not want "self-driving" cars. Business,
> does.
>
> nb

The reality is that these machines are going to save a shitload of lives. People in the future will be amazed that tens of thousand of lives in the US were snuffed out and many more injured every year until technology was able to save man from himself.

It will also give people the freedom to get away from their desktop computers and spend more time in bars getting bombed. The whole system of catching and processing DUIs will no longer be needed. Obviously, this will directly affect some of the posters here.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message news:1c6dcc7f-8efd-43de-ba6a-
>
> I never cared for Apple and have been trying to warn people about Google
> for
> almost a decade. However, I would like to work for Google - please.
>
> If you ask me, anybody that thinks Windows is not a fat, bloated,
> unreliable, OS has never spent any time with Windows. These days, when
> there's a chance to ditch Windows, everyone seems to think it's the
> greatest
> thing since sliced wafers. I think all y'alls are insane!
>
> ============
>
> Personally, I love Windows98 the best of any of the Win OS's, I would not
> want to ditch Windows but then I am not reliant on a computer to do a wide
> range of things as many people are. I'm one of those "simple users." LOL
>
> Cheri
> ============
>
> Win98 was my absolute favourite! I was really sorry when mine went down
> the tubes

Ours are still chugging away, but not connected to he internet.

Cheri

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >
>
> >> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> >
> > For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> circumstances.
> 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>
> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> get it.

It may make more sense to have a car just deliver it to your house and then have a robot bring it to your bed - with a glass of water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTjlMBFx9I0

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "William" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:29:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. NET...
>>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>> >
>>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> >> Stop all food and liquids. A week or so of that, and you're dead.
>>> >
>>> > I like my 357 plan better, can't imagine even one day without water.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheri
>>> > =========
>>> >
>>> > What is a 357 plan?
>>>
>>> It ain't a health plan, think magnum.
>>
>>I think Ophelia's more into Higgins.
>>
>>========
>>
>>OK explain that one?
>
>
> this is the way some folks check out Ophelia:
>
>
> http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server51...0.1280.JPG?c=2
>
>
> it's very messy
>
>
> William
>
> =============
>
> Yes I think I prefer my way. It won't be nice for those who find me
> with
> all the paraphernalia, but at least it won't be messy.

Of course I wouldn't allow my family to find me. I would definitely do it
outside when dh was gone for the day fishing, call 911 and report it
beforehand so the body would be carried off long before he returned, and be
done with it. LOL Actually, there was a man in town that did exactly that
not so long ago, but he did it in a park at night instead of his back yard.
They got there in a hurry. We are talking advanced terminal illness here,
not a suicide from depression or anything like that.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
>>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
>>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
>>>>
>>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
>>>
>>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
>>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
>>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
>>
>>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in a
>>vegetative state instead of dead.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.

Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried it,
and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as will
I.

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>>
>> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> circumstances.
> 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>
> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> get it.

We have good public transportation where I am.

Cheri

On 2016-09-22 2:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>
>>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>>
>> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> circumstances.
> 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>
> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> get it.


Why would you need Viagra at that age? Are you planning on getting a bad
sunburn and have to keep the sheets off your body?

On 9/22/2016 3:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
>> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
>> get it.
>
>
> Why would you need Viagra at that age? Are you planning on getting a bad
> sunburn and have to keep the sheets off your body?

I plan on having a 25 year old girlfriend named Bambi or Daisy. I don't
want to disappoint her.

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> >>
> >> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> > circumstances.
> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >
> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> > get it.
>
> We have good public transportation where I am.
>
> Cheri

Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.

On 9/22/2016 1:16 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
>>>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
>>>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
>>>>
>>>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
>>>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
>>>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
>>>
>>> Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up
>>> in a
>>> vegetative state instead of dead.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
> Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of
> insulin overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that
> have tried it, and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I
> don't use insulin at the present time, but they are in my fridge.
> Believe what you want, as will I.
>
> Cheri
A seriously depressed colleague, who was also a Type 1 diabetic,
committed suicide by overdosing insulin.
Graham

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message news:1c6dcc7f-8efd-43de-ba6a-
>
> I never cared for Apple and have been trying to warn people about Google
> for
> almost a decade. However, I would like to work for Google - please.
>
> If you ask me, anybody that thinks Windows is not a fat, bloated,
> unreliable, OS has never spent any time with Windows. These days, when
> there's a chance to ditch Windows, everyone seems to think it's the
> greatest
> thing since sliced wafers. I think all y'alls are insane!
>
> ============
>
> Personally, I love Windows98 the best of any of the Win OS's, I would not
> want to ditch Windows but then I am not reliant on a computer to do a wide
> range of things as many people are. I'm one of those "simple users." LOL
>
> Cheri
> ============
>
> Win98 was my absolute favourite! I was really sorry when mine went down
> the tubes

Ours are still chugging away, but not connected to he internet.

Cheri

===========

Great) We have two old ones with XP which still connect. I did like XP.



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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >
>
> >> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> >
> > For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> circumstances.
> 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>
> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> get it.

It may make more sense to have a car just deliver it to your house and then
have a robot bring it to your bed - with a glass of water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTjlMBFx9I0

=================

Scary looking things



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"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "William" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:29:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. NET...
>>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>> >
>>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> >> Stop all food and liquids. A week or so of that, and you're dead.
>>> >
>>> > I like my 357 plan better, can't imagine even one day without water.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheri
>>> > =========
>>> >
>>> > What is a 357 plan?
>>>
>>> It ain't a health plan, think magnum.
>>
>>I think Ophelia's more into Higgins.
>>
>>========
>>
>>OK explain that one?
>
>
> this is the way some folks check out Ophelia:
>
>
> http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server51...0.1280.JPG?c=2
>
>
> it's very messy
>
>
> William
>
> =============
>
> Yes I think I prefer my way. It won't be nice for those who find me
> with
> all the paraphernalia, but at least it won't be messy.

Of course I wouldn't allow my family to find me. I would definitely do it
outside when dh was gone for the day fishing, call 911 and report it
beforehand so the body would be carried off long before he returned, and be
done with it. LOL Actually, there was a man in town that did exactly that
not so long ago, but he did it in a park at night instead of his back yard.
They got there in a hurry. We are talking advanced terminal illness here,
not a suicide from depression or anything like that.

Cheri

====================

I hadn't thought of that!! Thanks!



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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 9/22/2016 3:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
>> pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
>> get it.
>
>
> Why would you need Viagra at that age? Are you planning on getting a bad
> sunburn and have to keep the sheets off your body?

I plan on having a 25 year old girlfriend named Bambi or Daisy. I don't
want to disappoint her.

===============

I do hope your wife doesn't read your posts or you are in deeeeeeeeeeeep
trouble LOL

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On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 10:26:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> > >
> > > For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for me.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> > circumstances.
> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >
> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> > get it.
>
> It may make more sense to have a car just deliver it to your house and then
> have a robot bring it to your bed - with a glass of water.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTjlMBFx9I0
>
> =================
>
> Scary looking things
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

You're right - a robot with lots of sharp pointy parts sticking out of it seems ill-conceived. Here's a place that I enjoy. Not having human servers is a plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHSLPDlDKd4

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
> >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
> >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> >>>
> >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
> >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
> >>
> >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in a
> >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> >>
> >>Cheri
> >
> > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
> Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
> overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried it,
> and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
> the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as will
> I.
>
> Cheri

Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.

If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat that with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course, this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH, the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere appeals to me.. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:16:55 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
>>>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
>>>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
>>>>
>>>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
>>>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
>>>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
>>>
>>>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in a
>>>vegetative state instead of dead.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
>Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
>overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried it,
>and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
>the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as will
>I.
>
>Cheri

I am not diabetic which is why insulin, plus Aleve will do the trick.
I can see it probably would not work for a diabetic, but for me, yes.
That solution was offered to me by a great friend, also a doctor, who
told me that after I had described a method I had worked out for
myself which he said would not be definite. When I next see him I
will ask him what chance I could wind up a veggie and report to you
what he says.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>> >>
>> >> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for
>> >> me.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
>> > circumstances.
>> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
>> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>> >
>> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
>> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
>> > could
>> > get it.
>>
>> We have good public transportation where I am.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.

Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
that either.

Cheri

"graham" > wrote in message
...

> A seriously depressed colleague, who was also a Type 1 diabetic, committed
> suicide by overdosing insulin.
> Graham

I never said you couldn't, I said usually ending up in a coma, coming
through in a vegetative state. Not a choice I would make.

Cheri

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
> >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
> >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> >>>
> >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
> >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
> >>
> >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in
> >>a
> >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> >>
> >>Cheri
> >
> > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
> Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
> overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
> it,
> and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
> the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
> will
> I.
>
> Cheri

Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife
told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his
head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead
yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.

If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a
charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat that
with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course,
this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear
that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH,
the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere appeals
to me. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.

=======

A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under could
work too. ;-)

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:16:55 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
>>>>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
>>>>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
>>>>>
>>>>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
>>>>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
>>>>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
>>>>
>>>>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in
>>>>a
>>>>vegetative state instead of dead.
>>>>
>>>>Cheri
>>>
>>> Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>>
>>Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
>>overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
>>it,
>>and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
>>the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
>>will
>>I.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> I am not diabetic which is why insulin, plus Aleve will do the trick.
> I can see it probably would not work for a diabetic, but for me, yes.
> That solution was offered to me by a great friend, also a doctor, who
> told me that after I had described a method I had worked out for
> myself which he said would not be definite. When I next see him I
> will ask him what chance I could wind up a veggie and report to you
> what he says.

Yes please do. I would be interested in what he says.

Cheri

On 9/22/2016 7:45 PM, wrote:

> I am not diabetic which is why insulin, plus Aleve will do the trick.
> I can see it probably would not work for a diabetic, but for me, yes.
> That solution was offered to me by a great friend, also a doctor, who
> told me that after I had described a method I had worked out for
> myself which he said would not be definite. When I next see him I
> will ask him what chance I could wind up a veggie and report to you
> what he says.
>

We've been watching some of the shows on Investigation Discovery. Most
of the poisons seem to take some time to work, like nicotine and
anti-freeze. Used to be you could drive into a bridge abutment but cars
are too safe now.

I'd probably go for drugs of some kind, but I want them to work 100%

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
> > >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
> > >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> > >>>
> > >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> > >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
> > >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
> > >>
> > >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in
> > >>a
> > >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> > >>
> > >>Cheri
> > >
> > > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
> >
> > Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
> > overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
> > it,
> > and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
> > the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
> > will
> > I.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife
> told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his
> head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead
> yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.
>
> If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a
> charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat that
> with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course,
> this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear
> that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH,
> the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere appeals
> to me. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.
>
> =======
>
> A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under could
> work too. ;-)
>
> Cheri

In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up with comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With technology, we can do anything!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under
> > could work too. ;-)
> >
> In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up
> with comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With
> technology, we can do anything!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI

Soon we'll only have to hit ourselves on the head with a Chromebook.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:50:26 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> > A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under
>> > could work too. ;-)
>> >
>> In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up
>> with comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With
>> technology, we can do anything!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI
>
>Soon we'll only have to hit ourselves on the head with a Chromebook.

My guess is somebody in the future will make an app for it.
Oh wait, we already have Pokemon Go.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:50:26 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> > A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under
>>> > could work too. ;-)
>>> >
>>> In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up
>>> with comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With
>>> technology, we can do anything!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI
>>
>>Soon we'll only have to hit ourselves on the head with a Chromebook.
>
> My guess is somebody in the future will make an app for it.
> Oh wait, we already have Pokemon Go.

LOL

In article >, says...
>
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:50:26 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> > A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under
> >> > could work too. ;-)
> >> >
> >> In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up
> >> with comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With
> >> technology, we can do anything!
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI
> >
> >Soon we'll only have to hit ourselves on the head with a Chromebook.
>
> My guess is somebody in the future will make an app for it.

Yes, a Google app from the cloud. Free for fanbois.

> Oh wait, we already have Pokemon Go.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 10:26:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> > >
> > > For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for
> > > me.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> > circumstances.
> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >
> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I could
> > get it.
>
> It may make more sense to have a car just deliver it to your house and
> then
> have a robot bring it to your bed - with a glass of water.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTjlMBFx9I0
>
> =================
>
> Scary looking things
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

You're right - a robot with lots of sharp pointy parts sticking out of it
seems ill-conceived. Here's a place that I enjoy. Not having human servers
is a plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHSLPDlDKd4

================

I wouldn't mind that at all if I ever went to a 'serve yourself' place)



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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
> >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
> >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> >>>
> >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
> >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
> >>
> >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in
> >>a
> >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> >>
> >>Cheri
> >
> > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
> Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
> overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
> it,
> and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
> the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
> will
> I.
>
> Cheri

Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife
told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his
head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead
yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.

If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a
charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat that
with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course,
this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear
that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH,
the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere appeals
to me. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.

==============

Yes, that sounds much nicer



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"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for a
> >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way to
> >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> >>>
> >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject the
> >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're gone.
> >>
> >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up in
> >>a
> >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> >>
> >>Cheri
> >
> > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
>
> Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of insulin
> overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
> it,
> and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin at
> the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
> will
> I.
>
> Cheri

Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife
told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his
head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead
yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.

If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a
charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat that
with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course,
this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear
that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH,
the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere appeals
to me. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.

=======

A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under could
work too. ;-)

Cheri
===========

Given I hate the cold it might be difficult though.

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"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
>> >>
>> >> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for
>> >> me.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
>> > circumstances.
>> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
>> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>> >
>> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
>> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
>> > could
>> > get it.
>>
>> We have good public transportation where I am.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.

Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
that either.

Cheri

============

Bart?

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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:55:32 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:59:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:18:06 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:22:14 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Stopping food for a week won't do much, but not drinking water for
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> week will do the job. Frankly, it sounds like a very painful way
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> die. A drug overdose sounds better to me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>What if you had no drugs to overdose on?
> > >>>
> > >>> You just need a diabetic friend who will give you a vial of insulin
> > >>> (given you are not diabetic) and for good measure after you inject
> > >>> the
> > >>> insulin, take a handful of Aleve, or Naprozen and voila, you're
> > >>> gone.
> > >>
> > >>Not a particularly good choice, since people that try usually end up
> > >>in
> > >>a
> > >>vegetative state instead of dead.
> > >>
> > >>Cheri
> > >
> > > Clearly you know more than a doctor friend, I chose to believe him.
> >
> > Well, I have vials of insulin, and pretty much know the results of
> > insulin
> > overdose from hearing/reading about other insulin users that have tried
> > it,
> > and also researching insulin use being a diabetic. I don't use insulin
> > at
> > the present time, but they are in my fridge. Believe what you want, as
> > will
> > I.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Just make sure you don't do a Sunny Von Bulow number on yourself. My wife
> told me of a patient that stuffed toilet paper up his nose and stuck his
> head in a basin of water. I believe he's in a coma now, if he isn't dead
> yet. Perhaps he won't die for quite a while.
>
> If I was going to off myself, I think it would be nice to light up a
> charcoal hibachi and cook myself some teriyaki beef and chicken and eat
> that
> with a musubi. Hopefully, I can get one with a nice ume in it. Of course,
> this would have to be done in a small space. I'd do it in a car but I fear
> that might make people skittish about using the vehicle afterwards. OTOH,
> the idea of offing yourself and having the body delivered somewhere
> appeals
> to me. You would eat, enjoy the ride, and then go to sleep.
>
> =======
>
> A couple of big bottles of vodka, some snow, and a tree to sit under could
> work too. ;-)
>
> Cheri

In the brave new frontier, it's going to be important that we come up with
comfortable, pleasant, and peaceful, ways to off ourselves. With technology,
we can do anything!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI

lol that didn't look too peaceful!



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In article >,
says...
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> >> > circumstances.
> >> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> >> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >> >
> >> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> >> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
> >> > could
> >> > get it.
> >>
> >> We have good public transportation where I am.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.
>
> Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
> that either.
>
> Cheri
>
> ============
>
> Bart?

Cheri's neighbour?

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >,
says...
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> >> > circumstances.
> >> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> >> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >> >
> >> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have
> >> > to
> >> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
> >> > could
> >> > get it.
> >>
> >> We have good public transportation where I am.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.
>
> Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
> that either.
>
> Cheri
>
> ============
>
> Bart?

Cheri's neighbour?

==========

We will need to ask her)



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On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:15:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/22/2016 7:45 PM, wrote:
>
>> I am not diabetic which is why insulin, plus Aleve will do the trick.
>> I can see it probably would not work for a diabetic, but for me, yes.
>> That solution was offered to me by a great friend, also a doctor, who
>> told me that after I had described a method I had worked out for
>> myself which he said would not be definite. When I next see him I
>> will ask him what chance I could wind up a veggie and report to you
>> what he says.
>>
>
>We've been watching some of the shows on Investigation Discovery. Most
>of the poisons seem to take some time to work, like nicotine and
>anti-freeze. Used to be you could drive into a bridge abutment but cars
>are too safe now.
>
>I'd probably go for drugs of some kind, but I want them to work 100%

I once heard that if you take drugs, it's best to put a garbage bag
over your head and tape it round your neck, that way when out with the
drugs, you will die of asphyxiation. Somehow, although I am prepared
(if I so wished) to off myself, I draw the line at that indignity.

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:17:48 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 9/22/2016 1:33 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >>> Self driving cars? Yes, just a matter of time and it is progressing.
> >> >>
> >> >> For those that care to use them great, but in my lifetime...not for
> >> >> me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
> >> > circumstances.
> >> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
> >> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
> >> >
> >> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
> >> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
> >> > could
> >> > get it.
> >>
> >> We have good public transportation where I am.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.
>
> Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
> that either.

I'm guessing Bay Area Rapid Transit.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:00:25 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not ready myself, but could change my mind under the right
>> >> > circumstances.
>> >> > 1. I'm no longer able to drive myself.
>> >> > 2. The technology has proven to be safe.
>> >> >
>> >> > Where I live we don't have public transportation. If I'm 92 and have to
>> >> > pick up my Viagra prescription I'd call for a driverless Uber so I
>> >> > could
>> >> > get it.
>> >>
>> >> We have good public transportation where I am.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > Autonomous vehicles WILL be public transportation.
>>
>> Could be, but I won't be driving them, I don't drive BART and things like
>> that either.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ============
>>
>> Bart?
>
>Cheri's neighbour?

Bay Area Rail Transport ?