Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:50:43 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
>> http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
>> Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
>> http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
>
> Looks tasty.
>
> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week ago.
> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the noise has been
> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should be within a week
> now: http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
>
>
>> Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
>> Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
>> not even one butternut:
>> http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
>> The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
>
> And what of your standard criticisms of other people's pics? You're
> the worst *by far* on this group for criticising other people's pics.
>
>> Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
>> mulberry trees.
>> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
>
> I give up on waiting for the pics to load from tinypic. I've waited
> for more than 4 minutes so far.
>
I have taken to using imgur.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:50:43 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
>> http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
>> Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
>> http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
>> Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
>> Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
>> not even one butternut:
>> http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
>> The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
>> Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
>> mulberry trees.
>> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html

This url don not work.

>
> I didn't even get an honorable mention?
>
> -sw
>

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:43:19 +1000, F Murtz >
wrote:

>I have taken to using imgur.

I prefer these for general picture sharing:
http://www.hostpic.org/
https://postimage.org/
Minimal bloat which means they are just plain faster to use than most
other pic hosting sites.

Bruce wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> The thing is a local nursery should'nt be selling plants
>> that can't survive your winters.
>
>This may have some truth to it in flat country. In hilly country, frosts
>can vary from property to property and within properties. Besides,
>plants can also be grown in greenhouses.

One nursery I use is over 100 acres, has been family run for over 125
years, propagates all their own plants and is north of me and at a
higher elevation so has more severe winters. They know where I live
so wouldn't sell me something that has no chance to survive. Many
mulberry trees are rated for growing in zone five but the ones I
bought are rated for growing in zone four, which is colder.
Many nursery plants grown in greenhouses are intended for indoor use.
The plants sold by the big box stores and small plant sellers are
imported from distant nurseries, there is no guarantee they will
survive the location where sold. It's best to shop at a large local
plant nursery that propagates what they sell. It may be inconvenient
to shop at a real plant nursary, they are usually unkempt, muddy, and
out of the way... they are not selling hype, they are not selling
someone elses product, they are selling their own product that they
stand behind. The big box stores make most of their profit selling
gardening supplies, pots, tools, gloves, small bags of compost, mulch,
top soil and such. Where I shop they don't sell any gardening
acouterments, no fancy pots, no tools, not even a pair of gloves. They
sell compost, mulch, and top soil, but by the cubic yard with a
minimum order of like three cubic yards. For my gardening I buy 3
cubic yards each of top soil and mushroom compost each spring... those
tiny bags from the big box stores do me no good plus they are very
expensive and for inferior product. I've never lost a tree due to
cold, I lost a beech tree to carpenter ants and I lost a chestnut tree
to deer. I've been gardening all my life, my grandparents operated a
fairly large farm where I spent summers and did chores, my mother was
a big time gardener, I did chores in her garden too. From the
pictures he's posted of that wreck of a property where he lives I'd
bet the dwarf has never planted anything, perhaps maybe pot because he
sure behaves like a pothead. Believe what you like.

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 7:19:35 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:20:08 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:34:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Jeßus wrote:
> >>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
> >>>
> >>>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
> >>>frosts, just out of interest?
> >>
> >>Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
> >>periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
> >>some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF.
> >
> >-40ºF? Really??? Worst I've seen it here is around 8°F.
> >
> >>Winter temperatures
> >>here depend heavily on topography, higher elevations are colder and
> >>the north face of hillsides are colder yet because they go all day
> >>with no direct sun, those areas are always in shadow.
> >
> >Same here but in reverse (south sides are in shade).
> >
> >>Before choosing a mulberry tree it's best to do your research and buy
> >>from a local well established plant nursery. Within each type; white,
> >>red, and black mulberry there are several cultivars, each with their
> >>own characteristics. The colors have nothing to do with fruit color,
> >>has to do with bud color. I chose my trees mainly for attracting
> >>wildlife, not to be beautiful specimen trees. What I really wanted
> >>were weeping mulberry trees (the weeping portion is grafted) but they
> >>wouldn't survive here with all the deer unless I kept them fenced,
> >>which I didn't want to do, so I chose the erect type of Russian
> >>mulberry. I bought my trees from a well established nursery, been in
> >>the same family for over 125 years:
> >>http://guernseysnurseries.com/ They are located further north so that
> >>area is colder during winter than here and are in a valley making it
> >>colder yet. They are very knowlegeable so I trust they sold me
> >>Mulberry trees that fulfilled my criteria... I buy a lot of plants
> >>there.
> >>There's some good information he
> >>http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
> >>That's an old farm house across the road from a property I own, there
> >>you can see a few very old weeping mulberry trees (~200 yrs), fenced
> >>of course.
> >>http://i65.tinypic.com/2vd1pjd.jpg
> >>Mulberry leaves are very important to the silk industry, the only food
> >>of the silk worm, interesting video:
> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFm...ature=youtu.be
> >
> >It can only be the frosts that stop Mulberries from growing here if
> >your temps are accurate.
> >
> >I've yet to see a single one grown locally and they're not a cheap
> >tree to buy in nurseries, so I'm a little hesitant to risk growing
> >one... Mainly because I've planted hundreds of so-called 'frost and
> >cold tolerant' plants here only to find them lucky to survive the
> >winter, if at all.
>
> Those are probably the least expensive trees I've bought in a long
> time. I didn't pay much for those two mulberry trees, They were
> normally $64 each but since it was end of season they were reduced by
> 33.3 % so cost me $85.33 for both plus sales tax, $6.83.

I get mulberry trees free, courtesy of the local birds. Of course,
they are somewhat lacking in judgment as to where they plant them.
Under spruce trees is one of their favorite locations.

I noticed yesterday that they attempted to plant glossy buckthorn
on the hood and windshield of my car.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 7:19:35 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:20:08 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:34:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Jeßus wrote:
> > >>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
> > >>>
> > >>>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
> > >>>frosts, just out of interest?
> > >>
> > >>Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
> > >>periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
> > >>some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF.
> > >
> > >-40ºF? Really??? Worst I've seen it here is around 8°F.
> > >
> > >>Winter temperatures
> > >>here depend heavily on topography, higher elevations are colder and
> > >>the north face of hillsides are colder yet because they go all day
> > >>with no direct sun, those areas are always in shadow.
> > >
> > >Same here but in reverse (south sides are in shade).
> > >
> > >>Before choosing a mulberry tree it's best to do your research and buy
> > >>from a local well established plant nursery. Within each type; white,
> > >>red, and black mulberry there are several cultivars, each with their
> > >>own characteristics. The colors have nothing to do with fruit color,
> > >>has to do with bud color. I chose my trees mainly for attracting
> > >>wildlife, not to be beautiful specimen trees. What I really wanted
> > >>were weeping mulberry trees (the weeping portion is grafted) but they
> > >>wouldn't survive here with all the deer unless I kept them fenced,
> > >>which I didn't want to do, so I chose the erect type of Russian
> > >>mulberry. I bought my trees from a well established nursery, been in
> > >>the same family for over 125 years:
> > >>http://guernseysnurseries.com/ They are located further north so that
> > >>area is colder during winter than here and are in a valley making it
> > >>colder yet. They are very knowlegeable so I trust they sold me
> > >>Mulberry trees that fulfilled my criteria... I buy a lot of plants
> > >>there.
> > >>There's some good information he
> > >>http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
> > >>That's an old farm house across the road from a property I own, there
> > >>you can see a few very old weeping mulberry trees (~200 yrs), fenced
> > >>of course.
> > >>http://i65.tinypic.com/2vd1pjd.jpg
> > >>Mulberry leaves are very important to the silk industry, the only food
> > >>of the silk worm, interesting video:
> > >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFm...ature=youtu.be
> > >
> > >It can only be the frosts that stop Mulberries from growing here if
> > >your temps are accurate.
> > >
> > >I've yet to see a single one grown locally and they're not a cheap
> > >tree to buy in nurseries, so I'm a little hesitant to risk growing
> > >one... Mainly because I've planted hundreds of so-called 'frost and
> > >cold tolerant' plants here only to find them lucky to survive the
> > >winter, if at all.
> >
> > Those are probably the least expensive trees I've bought in a long
> > time. I didn't pay much for those two mulberry trees, They were
> > normally $64 each but since it was end of season they were reduced by
> > 33.3 % so cost me $85.33 for both plus sales tax, $6.83.
>
> I get mulberry trees free, courtesy of the local birds. Of course,
> they are somewhat lacking in judgment as to where they plant them.
> Under spruce trees is one of their favorite locations.
>
> I noticed yesterday that they attempted to plant glossy buckthorn
> on the hood and windshield of my car.

Trees seem to have poor judgment as to where to plant their offspring
too. I'm constantly removing future energy sucking mini-me's from right
next to the parent tree.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:43:19 +1000, F Murtz >
> wrote:
>
> >I have taken to using imgur.
>
> I prefer these for general picture sharing:
> http://www.hostpic.org/
> https://postimage.org/
> Minimal bloat which means they are just plain faster to use than most
> other pic hosting sites.

This can be a case of old is better than new.
Your links have minimal bloat but they still do have some.

Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.

That said, use any newer browser and you get all the crap added.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:10:28 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > "Jeßus" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:43:19 +1000, F Murtz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have taken to using imgur.
> >>
> >> I prefer these for general picture sharing:
> >> http://www.hostpic.org/
> >> https://postimage.org/
> >> Minimal bloat which means they are just plain faster to use than most
> >> other pic hosting sites.
> >
> > This can be a case of old is better than new.
> > Your links have minimal bloat but they still do have some.
> >
> > Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
> > I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
> > When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
> > and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.
> >
> > That said, use any newer browser and you get all the crap added.
>
> Blah, blah, blah... <yawn>

Big yawn right back to you.
Your flicker bloatware is the worst. Sadly, I rarely bother clicking on
your pics anymore. I always enjoyed seeing them but not worth the
trouble most times these days. You can stick to using what you want to
but don't expect everyone to run there and look. No pats on the shoulder
for your ego much anymore.

In article >, ost
says...
>
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 12:11:07 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > Sadly, I rarely bother clicking on
> > your pics anymore. I always enjoyed seeing them but not worth the
> > trouble most times these days. You can stick to using what you want to
> > but don't expect everyone to run there and look. No pats on the shoulder
> > for your ego much anymore.
>
> You're the only one complaining about it. Nobody else seems to have a
> problem with it so logic dictates that this is YOUR problem, not mine
> or flickr's.
>
> Here, I cooked you breakfast: Meaty sausage eggs benedict on toasted
> rosemary sourdough bread.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwert...ream/lightbox/

I hope Gary can swim.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:10:28 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:43:19 +1000, F Murtz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have taken to using imgur.
>>
>> I prefer these for general picture sharing:
>> http://www.hostpic.org/
>> https://postimage.org/
>> Minimal bloat which means they are just plain faster to use than most
>> other pic hosting sites.
>
>This can be a case of old is better than new.
>Your links have minimal bloat but they still do have some.

Yeah, but much better than most sites these days.

>Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
>I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
>When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
>and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.

Does your computer still download the junk data anyway, even though
your browser doesn't display all that stuff (because it doesnt
understand it)? If it doesn't... that's great.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
> >I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
> >When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
> >and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.
>
> Does your computer still download the junk data anyway, even though
> your browser doesn't display all that stuff (because it doesnt
> understand it)? If it doesn't... that's great.

For Tinypic, you get the picture only and no extra things being loaded.

Netscape 4.7 has a few nice features but it's not all that. Best to use
as an extra tool. You certainly can't use it for all things. I have
other browsers for what it can't handle.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Gary's browser downloads all the fluff - his browser just doesn't know
> what to do with it so it discards most of it.
>
> Gary's clicking links at 53.3Kbps(*) The Web just doesn't work at
> that speed weather he uses his 17 year-old browser or his newfangled
> laptop. Only newsgroups work for him.

No argument really.
I DID say that I prefer it for newsgroups and I do. No problem at all
there.

The browser part works with many websites but certainly not with all. As
many websites upgrade, they don't offer backward compatability. But many
still do. I have other newer browsers to use in that case.

You are correct though, my 53.3 dial-up access is slow as hell but I'm
used that. I click on some large file and I go take a shower or wash
dishes, etc. No worries for me. I don't know why it seems to bother you
so much.

And for the newer pic things posted here, I have my laptop with Win7
that gets it all. Only problem is all the bloatware these days and to
download a simple .jpg it takes forever with all the other crap added.

Here's the most noticable thing to me. With Netscape 4.7, I have the
option to download a website without any pictures. That speeds things up
very quickly for me. I don't want or need to download and see 50
pictures just to be able to see one of them.

That's a real problem with me using the nifty laptop and latest Firefox.
They don't offer that text only option for some reason so now any
website I use takes forever to download. In order to see just one
picture, I have to wait until the other thousand pictures download too.

And sometimes, I just want some info and not all the damn pictures
included.

Yeah...dial-up sucks sometimes but that's what I deal with. No need for
it to bother you.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:12:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> >Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
>> >I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
>> >When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
>> >and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.
>>
>> Does your computer still download the junk data anyway, even though
>> your browser doesn't display all that stuff (because it doesnt
>> understand it)? If it doesn't... that's great.
>
>For Tinypic, you get the picture only and no extra things being loaded.

Cool, I just wonder if the extra data is still being downloaded but
not used?

>Netscape 4.7 has a few nice features but it's not all that. Best to use
>as an extra tool. You certainly can't use it for all things. I have
>other browsers for what it can't handle.

I've been meaning to build up a 486 machine just for fun (but never
seem to get around to it). I even have a new in box Asus mainboard I
can use, and have suitable CPU, RAM, drives, etc. Plan is to install
FreeDOS, some old browsers and Usenet programmes. I'd really only use
it for Usenet, for which it would be perfectly adequate.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:13:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Here's the most noticable thing to me. With Netscape 4.7, I have the
>option to download a website without any pictures.

AFAIK, that can be done with most modern browsers too. Never needed to
try it but I know I've seen that option in modern browsers.

In article >, Gary > wrote:

> And sometimes, I just want some info and not all the damn pictures
> included.
>
> Yeah...dial-up sucks sometimes but that's what I deal with. No need for
> it to bother you.

If you're familiar with the command line, lynx is a lightning browser
for a slow modem. No pictures though.
<http://lynx.browser.org/lynx2.8.8/index.html>
I can, but hardly ever do, run it on my machine. I just did for the
hell of it. Looking good and fast as ever. And I'm at version 2.8.7
which ain't bad. You may have to learn ./configure, make and "make
install" and have a compiler on your box but maybe not.

leo

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> You're the only one complaining about it. Nobody else seems to have a
> problem with it so logic dictates that this is YOUR problem, not mine
> or flickr's.

It is. I emailed the addy (below) to myself then checked mail on the
laptop. I can see your pictures that way.


> Here, I cooked you breakfast: Meaty sausage eggs benedict on toasted
> rosemary sourdough bread.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwert...ream/lightbox/

That looks very good. Just wondering about the rosemary in bread. I
don't like the sound of that. ;-o

I'm just not a big fan of rosemary. Too bad too as that's the one thing
I can grow plenty of here. My back porch (balcony) gets way too hot to
grow most edible plants. Hot peppers do good though. Mostly my porch is
just trees, bushes and decorative plants.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:12:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >"Jeßus" wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary wrote:
> >> >Tiny pic has a mess but only if you use a newer browser.
> >> >I use Netscape 4.7 browser for newsgroups only.
> >> >When I click on a tinypic link, I get the actual picture
> >> >and nothing else, not even a tag. It's the picture only.
> >>
> >> Does your computer still download the junk data anyway, even though
> >> your browser doesn't display all that stuff (because it doesnt
> >> understand it)? If it doesn't... that's great.
> >
> >For Tinypic, you get the picture only and no extra things being loaded.
>
> Cool, I just wonder if the extra data is still being downloaded but
> not used?

On some sites that happens but not with Tinypic's direct link. I can
watch the download addys and it's only the direct link to the pic and it
shows it full size, not a smaller version in a bloated page. Use any
newer browser and clicking on that direct link will redirect you to a
link that downloads and shows all the bloat.

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:13:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Here's the most noticable thing to me. With Netscape 4.7, I have the
> >option to download a website without any pictures.
>
> AFAIK, that can be done with most modern browsers too. Never needed to
> try it but I know I've seen that option in modern browsers.

Early versions of Firefox retained the option but not the latest
version.
Steve solved the problem though to use about:config.
I didn't even think to try that.
I'll play with that later.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:55:08 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:13:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Here's the most noticable thing to me. With Netscape 4.7, I have the
>> >option to download a website without any pictures.
>>
>> AFAIK, that can be done with most modern browsers too. Never needed to
>> try it but I know I've seen that option in modern browsers.
>
>Early versions of Firefox retained the option but not the latest
>version.
>Steve solved the problem though to use about:config.
>I didn't even think to try that.
>I'll play with that later.

Hope it works for you.