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brooklyn1

Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
not even one butternut:
http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
mulberry trees.
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:50:43 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
>http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
>Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
>http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg

Looks tasty.

Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week ago.
The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the noise has been
'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should be within a week
now: http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg

>Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
>http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
>Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
>not even one butternut:
>http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
>The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
>http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg

And what of your standard criticisms of other people's pics? You're
the worst *by far* on this group for criticising other people's pics.

>Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
>mulberry trees.
>http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html

I give up on waiting for the pics to load from tinypic. I've waited
for more than 4 minutes so far.

Ed Pawlowski

On 10/1/2016 11:16 PM, Jeï¿½us wrote:

> I give up on waiting for the pics to load from tinypic. I've waited
> for more than 4 minutes so far.
>

tinypic sucks. About 30% of the time I never see the photo. Once I do
see it I can never go back to it. postimage.org seems to be working
better.

Ophelia[_14_]

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
not even one butternut:
http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
mulberry trees.
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html

=========

Nice pics. Love the wee deer

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Gary

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 10/1/2016 11:16 PM, Jeï¿½us wrote:
>
> > I give up on waiting for the pics to load from tinypic. I've waited
> > for more than 4 minutes so far.
> >
>
> tinypic sucks. About 30% of the time I never see the photo. Once I do
> see it I can never go back to it. postimage.org seems to be working
> better.

Using Tinypic on my laptop with newer Firefox version takes forever to
load. It's major bloatware.

Tinypic seems to be one of the few sites these days that as they
upgrade, they also retained backward compatability. I still use ancient
Netscape 4.7 for newsgroups only. Why? Because it still works perfectly.

When I click on a Tinypic in this 4.7 browser, I don't get all the extra
crap that newer browsers have. All I see on my screen is the picture
only. Nothing else. I don't even see tags. It's plain, simple, and it
loads quickly and each time.

Postimage.org works good too but I have to use an upgraded browser for
that. It's not just a pic, they had to add the stupid 'enlarge slightly'
feature - bloatware.

Gary

From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "Jeßus" wrote:
>
> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week ago.
> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the noise has been
> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should be within a week
> now: http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg

Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this time.
I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that adds the
enlarge feature.

Any spring lambs on the way?

jmcquown[_2_]

On 10/2/2016 1:22 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 22:50:43 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
>> http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
>> Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
>> http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
>> Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
>> Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
>> not even one butternut:
>> http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
>> The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
>> Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
>> mulberry trees.
>> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
>
> I didn't even get an honorable mention?
>
> -sw
>
You were supposed to criticize something...

Jill

jmcquown[_2_]

On 10/1/2016 10:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
> http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
> Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
> http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg

I haven't seen many deer this year which is odd. They're usually
wandering around out back. Cute little fawn.

> Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
> Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
> not even one butternut:
> http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg

That was a bad year? Looks like a heck of a lot of acorn squash to me!

> The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg

Well hey, I'm not Steve and I'm not bashing it. It's simply a cut I
have never bought. You waxing rhapsodic about top round doesn't inspire
me to go buy one, sorry. It looks pretty but that's all I can say about it.

Jill

Sqwertz

Sqwertz

Sqwertz

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 23:51:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/1/2016 11:16 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I give up on waiting for the pics to load from tinypic. I've waited
>> for more than 4 minutes so far.
>>
>
>tinypic sucks. About 30% of the time I never see the photo.

Notice how the very last thing to load on the page is the pic itself?
You have to wait for all other (very bloated) crap to load first. Very
annoying.

>Once I do
>see it I can never go back to it. postimage.org seems to be working
>better.

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:40:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week ago.
>> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the noise has been
>> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should be within a week
>> now: http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
>
>Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this time.
>I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that adds the
>enlarge feature.
>
>Any spring lambs on the way?

Possibly for your springtime, two of my ewes are looking rather
pregnant and I'm guessing they will lamb sometime in February.
Poor things only had lambs back around May/June... I need to separate
my ram from the girls. May or June is a bad time of year here for
lambs, too cold.

cshenk

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:40:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "Jeßus" wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week
> ago. >> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the
> noise has been >> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should
> be within a week >> now:
> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
> >
> > Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this
> > time. I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that
> > adds the enlarge feature.
> >
> > Any spring lambs on the way?
>
> Possibly for your springtime, two of my ewes are looking rather
> pregnant and I'm guessing they will lamb sometime in February.
> Poor things only had lambs back around May/June... I need to separate
> my ram from the girls. May or June is a bad time of year here for
> lambs, too cold.

Lambs foal in winter. Thats how they are designed.

--

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 17:39:29 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:40:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> > From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "Jeßus" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week
>> ago. >> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the
>> noise has been >> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should
>> be within a week >> now:
>> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
>> >
>> > Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this
>> > time. I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that
>> > adds the enlarge feature.
>> >
>> > Any spring lambs on the way?
>>
>> Possibly for your springtime, two of my ewes are looking rather
>> pregnant and I'm guessing they will lamb sometime in February.
>> Poor things only had lambs back around May/June... I need to separate
>> my ram from the girls. May or June is a bad time of year here for
>> lambs, too cold.
>
>Lambs foal in winter. Thats how they are designed.

Interesting. Tell that to the farmers around here whose lambs are born
in spring. Also, tell that to my two pregnant ewes who are due in
February (middle of summer). Sheep can <ahem>, 'foal' any time of the
year.

More than anything else, it all depends on their food supply. My guys
have unlimited food year-round and is the reason why some of mine lamb
twice a year. Yes, they do have a natural breeding season if left to
their own devices, but even that varies wildly depending on breed.

Dave Smith[_1_]

On 2016-10-02 6:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
> JeÃŸus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:40:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "JeÃŸus" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week
>> ago. >> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the
>> noise has been >> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should
>> be within a week >> now:
>> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
>>>
>>> Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this
>>> time. I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that
>>> adds the enlarge feature.
>>>
>>> Any spring lambs on the way?
>>
>> Possibly for your springtime, two of my ewes are looking rather
>> pregnant and I'm guessing they will lamb sometime in February.
>> Poor things only had lambs back around May/June... I need to separate
>> my ram from the girls. May or June is a bad time of year here for
>> lambs, too cold.
>
> Lambs foal in winter. Thats how they are designed.
>

They have baby horses?

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 18:57:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-10-02 6:39 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:40:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the hills of Van Diemen's Land, "Jeßus" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a pic of the latest newcomers here. Born just over a week
>>> ago. >> The parents decided to nest under my back verandah, the
>>> noise has been >> 'wonderful'. Two more nests to hatch, which should
>>> be within a week >> now:
>>> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1610020836470096.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Nice pic! Also old netscape opened this up right to the pic this
>>>> time. I must have been thinking of another pic hosting site that
>>>> adds the enlarge feature.
>>>>
>>>> Any spring lambs on the way?
>>>
>>> Possibly for your springtime, two of my ewes are looking rather
>>> pregnant and I'm guessing they will lamb sometime in February.
>>> Poor things only had lambs back around May/June... I need to separate
>>> my ram from the girls. May or June is a bad time of year here for
>>> lambs, too cold.
>>
>> Lambs foal in winter. Thats how they are designed.
>>
>
>They have baby horses?

Nay. Or neigh (take yer pick).

Nancy2[_2_]

I hope for your sake, then, that Russian mulberry trees are longer-lived than
Russian olive trees...they only live about twenty years.

Doesn't the purple bird poop everywhere bother you? We had one regular
mulberry tree about a block away from me in this neighborhood, and my deck railing
seemed to always have fresh purple poop on it.

N.

The Greatest!

Ophelia wrote:

> "Brooklyn1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Mommy thinks if she eats birdseed she can fly south:
> http://i66.tinypic.com/m7fbk7.jpg
> Late born baby but I think it's old enough to survive winter:
> http://i63.tinypic.com/walqg7.jpg
> Even though a very busy day still gonna cook dinner:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/24eon50.jpg
> Gonna cook all the acorn squash... not a good winter squash year...
> not even one butternut:
> http://i67.tinypic.com/6zljyd.jpg
> The dwarf will be right here to bash my top round roast:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/155jdiq.jpg
> Been raining all day, if tomorrow is dry I will plant my Russian
> mulberry trees.
> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
>
> =========
>
> Nice pics. Love the wee deer

Indeed!

--
Best
Greg

brooklyn1

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 05:33:12 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>I hope for your sake, then, that Russian mulberry trees are longer-lived than
>Russian olive trees...they only live about twenty years.

Olive trees are very long lived. If you mean the Russian olive shrubs
used for sheltering wildlife in hedgerows I planted some at my first
house some fifty years ago and they are still going strong.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/life-sp...ees-60048.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaeagnus_angustifolia
http://www.bamertseed.com/russian-olive/

>Doesn't the purple bird poop everywhere bother you? We had one regular
>mulberry tree about a block away from me in this neighborhood, and my deck railing
>seemed to always have fresh purple poop on it.

The two mulberry trees will be planted more than 100' from my house.
Birds eat all sorts of wild berries here, I haven't noticed much
staining from bird poop plus it washes away quickly with teh first
good rain, and definitely the staining is totally gone after the
winter snow melt. Mulberry trees can live hundreds of years, I will
be long gone. In fact I will be heading out to plant those trees
now... looks like rain but I'll risk it, I don't like digging mud.

Gary

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I hope for your sake, then, that Russian mulberry trees are longer-lived than
> Russian olive trees...they only live about twenty years.

I hope Sheldon lives beyond age 93 but odds are that he won't.
I doubt the tree life concerns him.

Gary

"The Greatest!" wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> > Nice pics. Love the wee deer
>
> Indeed!

Right in front of his face is some nice tender fawn pot roast.

Nancy2[_2_]

Shel, I am talking only of Russian olive trees, not shrubs. It appears they
may live longer than I was told, but based on my own residential urban
setting, I can say that of all the ones that were planted 40-50 years ago
in and around my neighborhood, none are still living. Maybe there was a
disease that wiped them out, I dunno. I just know the ones planted back
in the day by contractors disappeared about 20-30 years ago, and I seldom
see any new ones with new construction. I did read that they do best in
the western third of our state, so maybe their popularity here just died out.

N.

jmcquown[_2_]

On 10/4/2016 3:17 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Shel, I am talking only of Russian olive trees, not shrubs. It appears they
> may live longer than I was told, but based on my own residential urban
> setting, I can say that of all the ones that were planted 40-50 years ago
> in and around my neighborhood, none are still living. Maybe there was a
> disease that wiped them out, I dunno. I just know the ones planted back
> in the day by contractors disappeared about 20-30 years ago, and I seldom
> see any new ones with new construction. I did read that they do best in
> the western third of our state, so maybe their popularity here just died out.
>
> N.
>
But he said *mulberry* trees, not olive trees.

(This is where learning how to quote with Google would come in handy.)

Jill

jmcquown[_2_]

On 10/3/2016 11:13 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> I hope for your sake, then, that Russian mulberry trees are longer-lived than
>> Russian olive trees...they only live about twenty years.
>
> I hope Sheldon lives beyond age 93 but odds are that he won't.
> I doubt the tree life concerns him.
>
I think it's nice he plants trees.

Jill

brooklyn1

On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 19:21:25 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/3/2016 11:13 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope for your sake, then, that Russian mulberry trees are longer-lived than
>>> Russian olive trees...they only live about twenty years.
>>
>> I hope Sheldon lives beyond age 93 but odds are that he won't.
>> I doubt the tree life concerns him.
>>
>I think it's nice he plants trees.
>
>Jill

I never expect to outlive the trees I plant... most of my trees will
outlive everyone's great great grand children and way beyond... I
planted two gingkos that will probably live more than 2,000 years.
Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years... and the thing is they
reproduce in place by runners so they can actually live forever.
Mostly I planted mulberry trees to attract birds as they produce
berries all summer. I would have preferred weeping mulberry but the
deer here would decimate them.

Jeßus[_55_]

On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:49:34 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...

What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
frosts, just out of interest?

Jeßus[_55_]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:13:13 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:07:43 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:49:34 -0400, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
>>
>> What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
>> frosts, just out of interest?
>
>You can pretty much bet your life that anything Pussy Katz states as a
>fact is, in fact, a lie.

Well, he's certainly prone to gross exaggerations

>"The two closely related species of mulberry trees are white mulberry
>(Morus alba) and red mulberry (Morus rubra). White mulberry trees have
>been known to live for more than 100 years while red mulberry trees
>rarely live more than 75 years. Most mulberry trees grown in
>landscapes have a lifespan of only 25 to 50 years."
>
>http://homeguides.sfgate.com/lifespa...ees-61028.html

That's pretty short-lived for a tree. I'd love to grow some Mulberry
trees here, but I know the climate is too cold and we get severe
frosts. I thought where Sheldon lives would be as cold (if not colder)
than here <shrug>.

Jeßus[_55_]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:37:05 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:18:19 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:13:13 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"The two closely related species of mulberry trees are white mulberry
>>>(Morus alba) and red mulberry (Morus rubra). White mulberry trees have
>>>been known to live for more than 100 years while red mulberry trees
>>>rarely live more than 75 years. Most mulberry trees grown in
>>>landscapes have a lifespan of only 25 to 50 years."
>>>
>>>http://homeguides.sfgate.com/lifespa...ees-61028.html
>>
>> That's pretty short-lived for a tree. I'd love to grow some Mulberry
>> trees here, but I know the climate is too cold and we get severe
>> frosts. I thought where Sheldon lives would be as cold (if not colder)
>> than here <shrug>.
>
>Well, the oldest known mulberry tree is not much farther north of you
>on Kangaroo Island

I haven't been to Kangaroo Island since I was a kid.

>, and it's 180 years old. But it takes a lot of TLC
>to keep it alive.
>
>http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/p...de=singleImage

The climate is a lot milder there than here. Even within Tasmania,
there are very different climates. I live inland and in the mountains,
so while those on the coast can grow things like mulberries and
lemons, I can't. I've certainly tried with lemon trees in pots in the
hothouse during winter, but the best they can manage is to stay alive.

Bruce[_28_]

In article >, says...
>
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:37:05 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:18:19 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:13:13 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>"The two closely related species of mulberry trees are white mulberry
> >>>(Morus alba) and red mulberry (Morus rubra). White mulberry trees have
> >>>been known to live for more than 100 years while red mulberry trees
> >>>rarely live more than 75 years. Most mulberry trees grown in
> >>>landscapes have a lifespan of only 25 to 50 years."
> >>>
> >>>http://homeguides.sfgate.com/lifespa...ees-61028.html
> >>
> >> That's pretty short-lived for a tree. I'd love to grow some Mulberry
> >> trees here, but I know the climate is too cold and we get severe
> >> frosts. I thought where Sheldon lives would be as cold (if not colder)
> >> than here <shrug>.
> >
> >Well, the oldest known mulberry tree is not much farther north of you
> >on Kangaroo Island
>
> I haven't been to Kangaroo Island since I was a kid.
>
> >, and it's 180 years old. But it takes a lot of TLC
> >to keep it alive.
> >
> >http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/p...de=singleImage
>
> The climate is a lot milder there than here. Even within Tasmania,
> there are very different climates. I live inland and in the mountains,
> so while those on the coast can grow things like mulberries and
> lemons, I can't. I've certainly tried with lemon trees in pots in the
> hothouse during winter, but the best they can manage is to stay alive.

What about lemon Meyer? Or have we discussed that before?

Jeßus[_55_]

On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 15:20:35 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:37:05 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:18:19 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:13:13 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>"The two closely related species of mulberry trees are white mulberry
>> >>>(Morus alba) and red mulberry (Morus rubra). White mulberry trees have
>> >>>been known to live for more than 100 years while red mulberry trees
>> >>>rarely live more than 75 years. Most mulberry trees grown in
>> >>>landscapes have a lifespan of only 25 to 50 years."
>> >>>
>> >>>http://homeguides.sfgate.com/lifespa...ees-61028.html
>> >>
>> >> That's pretty short-lived for a tree. I'd love to grow some Mulberry
>> >> trees here, but I know the climate is too cold and we get severe
>> >> frosts. I thought where Sheldon lives would be as cold (if not colder)
>> >> than here <shrug>.
>> >
>> >Well, the oldest known mulberry tree is not much farther north of you
>> >on Kangaroo Island
>>
>> I haven't been to Kangaroo Island since I was a kid.
>>
>> >, and it's 180 years old. But it takes a lot of TLC
>> >to keep it alive.
>> >
>> >http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/p...de=singleImage
>>
>> The climate is a lot milder there than here. Even within Tasmania,
>> there are very different climates. I live inland and in the mountains,
>> so while those on the coast can grow things like mulberries and
>> lemons, I can't. I've certainly tried with lemon trees in pots in the
>> hothouse during winter, but the best they can manage is to stay alive.
>
>What about lemon Meyer? Or have we discussed that before?

We might have discussed this before. Yes, I chose the Meyer 'lemon' as
it is the most cold hardy citrus available. It's not exactly a true
lemon but at least will grow where true lemons will not. Sadly, it's
just too cold here for any kind of citrus.

Nancy2[_2_]

That is why I love my ginkgo....;-)) I always plant trees knowing
before hand how long they are expected to live, and I also check
on whether they are susceptible to bug or disease damage.

I know regular olive trees can live 500 years or more, but I just don't
know about Russian olives, I guess, since my informant apparently
was wrong. Maybe the ones that disappeared in my neighborhood
suffered from the fungus (canker) attack.

I saw on the NatGeo channel a Joshua Tree (in the park of the same
name) that they believe to be about 2,000 years old.

N.

Gary

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> That is why I love my ginkgo....;-)) I always plant trees knowing
> before hand how long they are expected to live, and I also check
> on whether they are susceptible to bug or disease damage.
>
> I know regular olive trees can live 500 years or more, but I just don't
> know about Russian olives, I guess, since my informant apparently
> was wrong. Maybe the ones that disappeared in my neighborhood
> suffered from the fungus (canker) attack.
>
> I saw on the NatGeo channel a Joshua Tree (in the park of the same
> name) that they believe to be about 2,000 years old.

The American Chestnut trees that died out from a blight were so cool. No
more around anymore and they used to be very prevalent in the
Appalachian Mountains,. Google some pics - see how HUGE those trees
were. Very sad that they are gone.

brooklyn1

Jeßus wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
>
>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
>frosts, just out of interest?

Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF. Winter temperatures
here depend heavily on topography, higher elevations are colder and
the north face of hillsides are colder yet because they go all day
with no direct sun, those areas are always in shadow.

Before choosing a mulberry tree it's best to do your research and buy
from a local well established plant nursery. Within each type; white,
red, and black mulberry there are several cultivars, each with their
own characteristics. The colors have nothing to do with fruit color,
has to do with bud color. I chose my trees mainly for attracting
wildlife, not to be beautiful specimen trees. What I really wanted
were weeping mulberry trees (the weeping portion is grafted) but they
wouldn't survive here with all the deer unless I kept them fenced,
which I didn't want to do, so I chose the erect type of Russian
mulberry. I bought my trees from a well established nursery, been in
the same family for over 125 years:
http://guernseysnurseries.com/ They are located further north so that
area is colder during winter than here and are in a valley making it
colder yet. They are very knowlegeable so I trust they sold me
Mulberry trees that fulfilled my criteria... I buy a lot of plants
there.
There's some good information he
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
That's an old farm house across the road from a property I own, there
you can see a few very old weeping mulberry trees (~200 yrs), fenced
of course.
http://i65.tinypic.com/2vd1pjd.jpg
Mulberry leaves are very important to the silk industry, the only food
of the silk worm, interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFm...ature=youtu.be

Jeßus[_55_]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:34:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
>>
>>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
>>frosts, just out of interest?
>
>Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
>periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
>some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF.

-40ºF? Really??? Worst I've seen it here is around 8°F.

>Winter temperatures
>here depend heavily on topography, higher elevations are colder and
>the north face of hillsides are colder yet because they go all day
>with no direct sun, those areas are always in shadow.

Same here but in reverse (south sides are in shade).

>Before choosing a mulberry tree it's best to do your research and buy
>from a local well established plant nursery. Within each type; white,
>red, and black mulberry there are several cultivars, each with their
>own characteristics. The colors have nothing to do with fruit color,
>has to do with bud color. I chose my trees mainly for attracting
>wildlife, not to be beautiful specimen trees. What I really wanted
>were weeping mulberry trees (the weeping portion is grafted) but they
>wouldn't survive here with all the deer unless I kept them fenced,
>which I didn't want to do, so I chose the erect type of Russian
>mulberry. I bought my trees from a well established nursery, been in
>the same family for over 125 years:
>http://guernseysnurseries.com/ They are located further north so that
>area is colder during winter than here and are in a valley making it
>colder yet. They are very knowlegeable so I trust they sold me
>Mulberry trees that fulfilled my criteria... I buy a lot of plants
>there.
>There's some good information he
>http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
>That's an old farm house across the road from a property I own, there
>you can see a few very old weeping mulberry trees (~200 yrs), fenced
>of course.
>http://i65.tinypic.com/2vd1pjd.jpg
>Mulberry leaves are very important to the silk industry, the only food
>of the silk worm, interesting video:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFm...ature=youtu.be

It can only be the frosts that stop Mulberries from growing here if
your temps are accurate.

I've yet to see a single one grown locally and they're not a cheap
tree to buy in nurseries, so I'm a little hesitant to risk growing
one... Mainly because I've planted hundreds of so-called 'frost and
cold tolerant' plants here only to find them lucky to survive the
winter, if at all.

brooklyn1

On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:20:08 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:34:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>Jeßus wrote:
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
>>>
>>>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
>>>frosts, just out of interest?
>>
>>Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
>>periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
>>some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF.
>
>-40ºF? Really??? Worst I've seen it here is around 8°F.
>
>>Winter temperatures
>>here depend heavily on topography, higher elevations are colder and
>>the north face of hillsides are colder yet because they go all day
>>with no direct sun, those areas are always in shadow.
>
>Same here but in reverse (south sides are in shade).
>
>>Before choosing a mulberry tree it's best to do your research and buy
>>from a local well established plant nursery. Within each type; white,
>>red, and black mulberry there are several cultivars, each with their
>>own characteristics. The colors have nothing to do with fruit color,
>>has to do with bud color. I chose my trees mainly for attracting
>>wildlife, not to be beautiful specimen trees. What I really wanted
>>were weeping mulberry trees (the weeping portion is grafted) but they
>>wouldn't survive here with all the deer unless I kept them fenced,
>>which I didn't want to do, so I chose the erect type of Russian
>>mulberry. I bought my trees from a well established nursery, been in
>>the same family for over 125 years:
>>http://guernseysnurseries.com/ They are located further north so that
>>area is colder during winter than here and are in a valley making it
>>colder yet. They are very knowlegeable so I trust they sold me
>>Mulberry trees that fulfilled my criteria... I buy a lot of plants
>>there.
>>There's some good information he
>>http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
>>That's an old farm house across the road from a property I own, there
>>you can see a few very old weeping mulberry trees (~200 yrs), fenced
>>of course.
>>http://i65.tinypic.com/2vd1pjd.jpg
>>Mulberry leaves are very important to the silk industry, the only food
>>of the silk worm, interesting video:
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFm...ature=youtu.be
>
>It can only be the frosts that stop Mulberries from growing here if
>your temps are accurate.
>
>I've yet to see a single one grown locally and they're not a cheap
>tree to buy in nurseries, so I'm a little hesitant to risk growing
>one... Mainly because I've planted hundreds of so-called 'frost and
>cold tolerant' plants here only to find them lucky to survive the
>winter, if at all.

Those are probably the least expensive trees I've bought in a long
time. I didn't pay much for those two mulberry trees, They were
normally $64 each but since it was end of season they were reduced by
33.3 % so cost me $85.33 for both plus sales tax, $6.83. The total
was $92.16. The thing is a local nursery should'nt be selling plants
that can't survive your winters. You need to find a better place to
buy plants. The nursery I use propagates their own plants, they don't
import plants from elsewhere.

A simple trick I learned from the orchard people here to help plants
survive low temperatures is to heavily mulch, that's what's
recommended here with fruit trees to fool the trees into thinking it's
still cold so they don't blossom for another week or two, an early
frost will make the blossoms drop but they can't drop when they're not
there yet. The mulch keeps the ground frozen longer. People think
plants blossom when air temperature rises but that's not true, plants
blossom when root temperature rises.

In any event I'll know more about how those mulberry trees do after
this winter.

Bruce[_28_]

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...

> The thing is a local nursery should'nt be selling plants
> that can't survive your winters.

This may have some truth to it in flat country. In hilly country, frosts
can vary from property to property and within properties. Besides,
plants can also be grown in greenhouses.

Jeßus[_55_]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 19:19:24 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:20:08 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
<snip>

>>I've yet to see a single one grown locally and they're not a cheap
>>tree to buy in nurseries, so I'm a little hesitant to risk growing
>>one... Mainly because I've planted hundreds of so-called 'frost and
>>cold tolerant' plants here only to find them lucky to survive the
>>winter, if at all.
>
>Those are probably the least expensive trees I've bought in a long
>time. I didn't pay much for those two mulberry trees, They were
>normally $64 each but since it was end of season they were reduced by
>33.3 % so cost me $85.33 for both plus sales tax, $6.83.

I'd regard that as fairly expensive, the mulberry trees I've seen in
nurseries here were around AUD$55.

> The total
>was $92.16. The thing is a local nursery should'nt be selling plants
>that can't survive your winters.

Well, the problem is that Tasmania's climate can vary wildly,
depending on where you are. I can drive just a mile down the road here
watch the car's external thermometer go up or down by 5°C or more.
Like I said before, I can't grow *any* citrus here and yet 30 minute's
drive away from here they can.

>You need to find a better place to
>buy plants. The nursery I use propagates their own plants, they don't
>import plants from elsewhere.

All my fruit tress have come from such a nursery - all heritage
varieties of pears, apples, plums, quinces...

But I did learn the hard way that most nurseries here have a different
idea what 'frost hardy' means. Probably because the majority of the
Tas population live in areas that are significantly warmer during
winter.

I bought a few hundred ornamental trees and shrubs (all native
varieties) from several other nurseries when I moved here and few
survived. And I replaced them twice, too... To be fair though, I live
in one of the coldest parts of Tasmania and we do get severe frosts.

>A simple trick I learned from the orchard people here to help plants
>survive low temperatures is to heavily mulch, that's what's
>recommended here with fruit trees to fool the trees into thinking it's
>still cold so they don't blossom for another week or two, an early
>frost will make the blossoms drop but they can't drop when they're not
>there yet. The mulch keeps the ground frozen longer. People think
>plants blossom when air temperature rises but that's not true, plants
>blossom when root temperature rises.

True.

>In any event I'll know more about how those mulberry trees do after
>this winter.

Please keep us posted on their progress.

Jeßus[_55_]

On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:47:28 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:20:08 +1100, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:34:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Jeßus wrote:
>>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mulberry trees can easily live 300 years...
>>>>
>>>>What are your minimum temperatures during winter there and do you get
>>>>frosts, just out of interest?
>>>
>>>Typical winter temperatures here average around 0ºF but for some
>>>periods the temperature will spend a month between -10ºF/-20ºF and for
>>>some few nights in a row can hover around -40ºF.
>>
>> -40ºF? Really??? Worst I've seen it here is around 8°F.
>
>His average daily low temperature at the peak of cold in January is
>+14F (not -15 as he claims). The average daily temp is 22F.
>
>It hasn't ever been below -30F there in modern recorded history (since
>at least 1876). And it has only been below -20F there 10 times in the
>last 140 years and never in the current millennium.

That make more sense...

>Records for Albany NY, 25 miles away and 400 ft elevation difference:
>
>http://www.weather.gov/media/aly/Cli...les/REFJAN.pdf
>
>He will of course stupidly try and convince gullible people that there
>is a -55F difference in the weather in that mere 25 miles and 400
>feet. Because that's what habitual and compulsive liars do.

<G>

Jeßus[_55_]

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:24:42 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>
>> The thing is a local nursery should'nt be selling plants
>> that can't survive your winters.
>
>This may have some truth to it in flat country. In hilly country, frosts
>can vary from property to property and within properties.

Definitely. The weather around here can be completely different just a
few miles down the road. Which is why when I travel any real distances
I always carry a change of clothese in case it gets warm or cold, plus
a raincoat.

>Besides,
>plants can also be grown in greenhouses.

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