"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 4:15:46 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

>> If the walls of slaughterhouses were made of glass, this whole newsgroup
>> would be vegetarian.
>
> Perhaps not. The last time I was near a slaughterhouse was about 5 years
> ago, and had to drive 20 miles to get there. If we hadn't been roasting
> a whole pig, it would have been, maybe, never in my life. We tend to
> locate the slaughterhouse near the animals, not the people.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Not so at all on my end. I come from a ranch in my childhood where we
slaughtered many domestic animals for food. It doesn't make me squeamish,
but there are some things I don't care to eat as an adult, venison,
squirrel, rabbit, pheasant, wild duck, etc.

Cheri

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 21:08:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/8/2016 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You may be desensitized to the slaughtering of animals, but most people
>>> are not.
>>
>> It has little to do with being desensitised. It's more like
>> appreciating the beauty of the natural world and respecting the way it
>> really works over modern and misguided human concepts. I don't think
>> there's any way I can adequately explain it to you.
>>
>> I know I've asked this before but - you don't eat meat or like cruelty
>> to animals... but at the same time you eat fish? Have I got that
>> right?
>>
>> I do agree though, anyone who can't kill and butcher an animal
>> shouldn't eat meat. I find that hypocritical.
>>
>
>Most people go through life with little animal for food contact.
>Animals live in the zoo or are our pets and have no relationship to that
>steak in the meat case.
>
>Why don't we eat horses or dogs in the US? Not because they are
>animals, but because they are pets and given special status. Just as we
>don't kill and eat our aging relatives.

That's the norm, yes.

In article > ,
lid says...
>
> In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >
> > On 2016-10-08 8:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article > , Janet
> > > says...
> >
> > >>> These are mercy killing like we do for our beloved pets.
> > >>
> > >> Only you didn't. As I recall, you didn't call the vet to give that
> > >> poor ferret a mercy killing; you let your "beloved pet" suffer right to
> > >> the end to spare your own delicate feelings, and your wallet.
> > >
> > > Where you there? Your nastiness is only surpassed by your stupidity.
> > >
> >
> > The truth hurts.
>
> How do you know that's the truth? How does that shrew know?

From gary's numerous posts about it.
Janet.

In article >, Gary says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > We had it first at a Japanese restaurant, then found it in a mainstream
> > supermarket, with all the usual additives. Now, I'll try this recipe:
> >
> > http://www.japanesecooking101.com/se...essing-recipe/
>
> Write back if you try it. Sounds tempting. I have everything but I'm out
> of the seeds.
>
> Oh wait...I just looked and do still have some sesame seeds. Maybe I'll
> try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
> the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.

I made the dressing without roasting the seeds. I only crushed them in a
mortar and pestle. They ended up like slightly strange objects in an
otherwise fine dressing. Maybe roasting them and/or crushing them better
is the solution.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, Gary says...
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > We had it first at a Japanese restaurant, then found it in a mainstream
>> > supermarket, with all the usual additives. Now, I'll try this recipe:
>> >
>> > http://www.japanesecooking101.com/se...essing-recipe/
>>
>> Write back if you try it. Sounds tempting. I have everything but I'm out
>> of the seeds.
>>
>> Oh wait...I just looked and do still have some sesame seeds. Maybe I'll
>> try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
>> the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.
>
> I made the dressing without roasting the seeds. I only crushed them in a
> mortar and pestle. They ended up like slightly strange objects in an
> otherwise fine dressing. Maybe roasting them and/or crushing them better
> is the solution.

Toasting them definitely is better.

Cheri

In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, Gary says...
> >>
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >> >
> >> > We had it first at a Japanese restaurant, then found it in a mainstream
> >> > supermarket, with all the usual additives. Now, I'll try this recipe:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.japanesecooking101.com/se...essing-recipe/
> >>
> >> Write back if you try it. Sounds tempting. I have everything but I'm out
> >> of the seeds.
> >>
> >> Oh wait...I just looked and do still have some sesame seeds. Maybe I'll
> >> try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
> >> the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.
> >
> > I made the dressing without roasting the seeds. I only crushed them in a
> > mortar and pestle. They ended up like slightly strange objects in an
> > otherwise fine dressing. Maybe roasting them and/or crushing them better
> > is the solution.
>
> Toasting them definitely is better.

Yes, I think so too.

Bruce wrote:
>
> In article >, Gary says...
> >
> > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > We had it first at a Japanese restaurant, then found it in a mainstream
> > > supermarket, with all the usual additives. Now, I'll try this recipe:
> > >
> > > http://www.japanesecooking101.com/se...essing-recipe/
> >
> > Write back if you try it. Sounds tempting. I have everything but I'm out
> > of the seeds.
> >
> > Oh wait...I just looked and do still have some sesame seeds. Maybe I'll
> > try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
> > the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.
>
> I made the dressing without roasting the seeds. I only crushed them in a
> mortar and pestle. They ended up like slightly strange objects in an
> otherwise fine dressing. Maybe roasting them and/or crushing them better
> is the solution.

Yeah. I think toasting them in a dry pan will help them to powder with a
M&P. Sounds like your untoasted just smashed into disks or something.

I still haven't tried this but now I will. I was kind of waiting to hear
back from you about it.

On 10/8/2016 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:10:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'll
>>> try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
>>> the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.
>>
>> You have a mortar and pestle? I'm impressed. I would have gone to
>> Rainbow grocery and purchased a small amount of tahini paste.
>
> Yes. I've had one sitting on my kitchen counter forever.
> I rarely use it but it's there. Lately just a decoration
> based on how often I use it. :-D
>
I have a lovely small marble mortar and pestle; it was a gift. I've
never used it.

Jill

On 10/8/2016 9:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/8/2016 2:46 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> T...
>>>
>>>> In the days of the earl, most people didn't have diabetes yet.
>>>
>>> Or simply undiagnosed.
>>
>> Yes sometimes, but I think their lifestyle was sufficiently different to
>> make diabetes a lot more rare.
>>
>
> Type I is probably not changed but I'd agree with Type II being more today.
>
> Would you like sugar with your Metformin?

My aunt Jean developed diabetes (juvenile onset) in the early 1940's.
Not much was known about the treatment of the disease at the time.
Insulin shots weren't widely understood. Diabetes rendered her legally
blind (she could make out shapes, that's about it) when she was still a
very young woman. Ah, but she was amazing. Despite her disability she
knew her way around the kitchen! She was a marvelous cook. She also
did ceramics and was a wiz at refinishing furniture.

Years went by. She'd had to have surgery for cataracts. The last time
she pretty much told her doctor it was stupid to keep cutting on her
eyes; she still couldn't see so what was the point? He said ah, but you
don't understand! There's this new procedure that involves lasers...

I'll never forget the day she called me up and exclaimed, "Jill! I can
SEE!" OMG. Can you imagine being able to see again after
forty-something years?! She said, "Your uncle Howard lied to me. He
always told me I was beautiful!" LOL

Sadly, she was only able to enjoy the gift of sight for a short time.
She died of a heart attack six months later.

Jill

On 10/8/2016 6:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I have always been a little disturbed by omnivorous people who complain
> about the cruelty of hunting. Most of them pick up their meat in a
> cooler, all wrapped up and ready for the freezer. Someone else has done
> all the dirty work for them and made it look like it just showed up at
> the grocery store by magic. They have no appreciation for the fact that
> other people kill, dress and butcher their own meat or do it on an
> industrial scale.

My brother worked for Jimmy Dean Foods for years. He was a systems
analyst and often had to take trips to the various slaughterhouses to
tweak the computer equipment. From what he told me, the slaughtering
was not a pretty sight and he was glad most of the equipment he worked
on was well away from the killing areas. Slaughtering is not a job for
the faint of heart.

I like vegetables as much as the next person. I, for one, also
appreciate the people who cut all that meat into nice little pieces so
we can buy it at the grocery store.

Jill

On 10/8/2016 6:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-08 6:09 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 07:15:39 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the walls of slaughterhouses were made of glass, this whole
>>>> newsgroup
>>>> would be vegetarian.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>
>> You may be desensitized to the slaughtering of animals, but most people
>> are not.
>
> You didn't say most people. You said this whole newsgroup. Jeßus and I
> would not, and there are likely others. Maybe you should have said
> "most of the newsgroup" would be vegetarian and not "all of this
> newsgroup" would be.
>
Sorry, I wouldn't be turned vegetarian by seeing this. Sure, I love
vegetables. But I also love meat. Watching them being slaughtered
wouldn't change my opinion or my eating preferences.

Some people might recall the American PBS series 'Frontier House'.
Families take back to live life as it was in the 1880's. They had to
raise and kill animals (as well as plant crops) for food. They were
perhaps a bit squeamish about having to shoot Jo-Jo the pig but they all
chowed down on the meat in the end. I would have, too.

Jill

On 10/8/2016 9:02 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:54:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 10/8/2016 6:09 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 07:15:39 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the walls of slaughterhouses were made of glass, this whole newsgroup
>>>>> would be vegetarian.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You may be desensitized to the slaughtering of animals, but most people
>>> are not.
>>>
>>
>> I'm very aware that animals are killed for meat. They should not be
>> handled in any way that is cruel or torture.
>>
>> I am also aware that birds eat insects, robins eat worms, owls eat
>> rodents, lions eat wildebeest, hogs eat most anything. Man is more
>> humane than most other animals at the kill.
>>
>> A fish gave its life for out dinner tonight.
>
> I hope it was a free range, gluten free fish?
>
LOLOL

Jill

On 2016-10-16, jmcquown > wrote:

> I have a lovely small marble mortar and pestle; it was a gift. I've
> never used it.

I've gotta Thai granite M/P. Worked great fer grinding spices, but
this ol' geezer got tired of all that expended effort and bought a
used whirlybird coffee grinder to make my spice blends/rubs.

nb

On 2016-10-16, jmcquown > wrote:

> I like vegetables as much as the next person. I, for one, also
> appreciate the people who cut all that meat into nice little pieces so
> we can buy it at the grocery store.

Must ....control ....painful.... urge ....to ....rant!

****inhale*****exhale****

(there, much better)



nb

On 10/9/2016 9:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 8:54:57 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I am also aware that birds eat insects, robins eat worms, owls eat
>> rodents, lions eat wildebeest, hogs eat most anything. Man is more
>> humane than most other animals at the kill.
>
> I once had the distinct displeasure of hearing a hawk eat a live
> mourning dove.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I once watched a blacksnake snatch a baby cardinal out of a nest in the
pyracantha tree by my kitchen. The bird parents were beating their
wings, trying to scare the snake off. No such luck. It slithered up
the tree and grabbed the chick (it barely had pinfeathers) out of the
nest. The snake went back down the tree with the chick in it's mouth
(head first, surely the bird was already dead from the first clamping of
the snakes jaws, likely wouldn have snapped it's neck). It took it's
prize and slithered under the foundation of the house. There was
nothing I could have done about it. Such is nature.

It was sad, though. The mated pair of cardinals kept coming back to the
nest, as if hoping against hope their baby bird was still around. After
a few hours they abandoned the nest.

Jill

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 10:28:01 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/8/2016 6:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-10-08 6:09 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 07:15:39 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the walls of slaughterhouses were made of glass, this whole
>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>> would be vegetarian.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You may be desensitized to the slaughtering of animals, but most people
>>> are not.
>>
>> You didn't say most people. You said this whole newsgroup. Jeßus and I
>> would not, and there are likely others. Maybe you should have said
>> "most of the newsgroup" would be vegetarian and not "all of this
>> newsgroup" would be.
>>
>Sorry, I wouldn't be turned vegetarian by seeing this. Sure, I love
>vegetables. But I also love meat. Watching them being slaughtered
>wouldn't change my opinion or my eating preferences.
>
>Some people might recall the American PBS series 'Frontier House'.
>Families take back to live life as it was in the 1880's. They had to
>raise and kill animals (as well as plant crops) for food. They were
>perhaps a bit squeamish about having to shoot Jo-Jo the pig but they all
>chowed down on the meat in the end. I would have, too.
>
>Jill

Friends raised a steer on their country property one time. We all
grew to love Moo then one winter when we were having dinner there I
remarked 'nice steak' - it's Moo said the host and I don't know how I
managed not to throw up at the table, if I know it, I can't eat it.

In article >, Gary says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > In article >, Gary says...
> > >
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We had it first at a Japanese restaurant, then found it in a mainstream
> > > > supermarket, with all the usual additives. Now, I'll try this recipe:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.japanesecooking101.com/se...essing-recipe/
> > >
> > > Write back if you try it. Sounds tempting. I have everything but I'm out
> > > of the seeds.
> > >
> > > Oh wait...I just looked and do still have some sesame seeds. Maybe I'll
> > > try your dressing first and I'll report back with an opinion. I'll toast
> > > the seeds in a dry pan before smashing them.
> >
> > I made the dressing without roasting the seeds. I only crushed them in a
> > mortar and pestle. They ended up like slightly strange objects in an
> > otherwise fine dressing. Maybe roasting them and/or crushing them better
> > is the solution.
>
> Yeah. I think toasting them in a dry pan will help them to powder with a
> M&P. Sounds like your untoasted just smashed into disks or something.

Yes, I think that's what happened.

> I still haven't tried this but now I will. I was kind of waiting to hear
> back from you about it.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:41:37 -0300, wrote:

>Friends raised a steer on their country property one time. We all
>grew to love Moo then one winter when we were having dinner there I
>remarked 'nice steak' - it's Moo said the host and I don't know how I
>managed not to throw up at the table, if I know it, I can't eat it.

During my first summer in Turkey (1968) I went down to a little
village on the Aegean and stayed in a "pansiyon" (a kind of
family-owned boarding house) that fronted on a beach. The owners had
five sons consecutively aged, it seemed to me, less than a year apart.
One morning while I was having breakfast by the sea I noticed the
youngest, who must have been five or six, with a rather large lamb
that he was hugging around the neck. "Nice lamb you got there kid" I
said in my less-than-year-old Turkish. "Kesilecek" he replied with a
big grin. Not sure that I heard correctly I asked him to repeat the
word. "Kesilecek" he said again. Not sure I understood correctly I got
out my pocket dictionary/grammar: "kes" = "cut" (verb); "il" =
passive-voice marker; "ecek" = future tense marker + third-person
singular marker. So I had understood correctly: the word meant
"he/she/it is gonna get cut" ie "slaughtered". And it was. A few
minutes later. Right there before me. We had lamb kebabs for lunch.

And very good they were, too.

--
Bob
The joint that time is out of
www.kanyak.com

On 16 Oct 2016 14:31:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-10-16, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I have a lovely small marble mortar and pestle; it was a gift. I've
>> never used it.
>
>I've gotta Thai granite M/P. Worked great fer grinding spices, but
>this ol' geezer got tired of all that expended effort and bought a
>used whirlybird coffee grinder to make my spice blends/rubs.

I have a medium to large granite M&P and find it indispensable.

nancy, I don't k ow if this answers your question, but I have noticed that many
cooks (not necessarily chefs) say "salad" when they mean lettuce and/or tomato
or other "fixings." I don't know why. Where I have noticed it is in shows
featuring young or ordinary cooks.

N.