On 2016-10-10 2:59 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>>>>>> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
>>>>>> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>>>>>
>>>>> Larousse on Crab:
>>>>>
>>>>> To prepare
>>>>>
>>>>> To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>>>>> skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>>>>> under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
>>>>> a fishmonger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>>>>> then drainand rinse under cold water...
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------
>>>>>
>>>>> Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>>>>> dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>>>>> boil it for 30 minutes!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>>>> crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
>>>> a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>>
>> Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>>
>> Carol
>
> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>


I don't doubt that some of the Pilgrim fathers might have caught crabs.
Everything I have read or heard about Dungeness crabs is that they are
found in the Pacific northwest. According to Wikipedia, some have been
found in the Atlantic, in the south eastern US states, but not in
England. There are something like 850 species of crabs.

On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>> they do with their crab pots!
>
> "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits eelgrass
> beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North America. (...) Its
> common name comes from the port of Dungeness, Washington."
>
> Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called Dungeness crabs.
> Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.
>


Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be true...
or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be frustrated.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:01:05 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-10-10 2:56 PM, wrote:
>> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>> >>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>> >>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>> >>
>> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>> >
>> > Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>> > they do with their crab pots!
>>
>>
>> Why? Are they a little slow and thing that that they are catching crabs
>> in their pots that are unique to the Pacific northwest?
>
>She spoke without thinking, but must realize she was wrong by now. The
>good thing is that she's a woman, not an ego driven man. Therefore,
>she'll soon admit her mistake.

Nope, they were there on ice on a marble slab, labelled Dungeness
Crabs, they certainly were not imported and there has been a problem
with them since the EU and more unrestricted fishing around the area.
I know you can get them in the Pacific N/W, remember looking at an ad
for them but decided having one shipped was going to be just too
expensive. The pic of it was identical to the ones I knew,
reddishbrown and creamy colour. Massive claws and light and dark meat
within.

Don't worry, am trying to think of anyone I can email to try and prove
it.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:05:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>
>>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>>> they do with their crab pots!
>>
>> "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits eelgrass
>> beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North America. (...) Its
>> common name comes from the port of Dungeness, Washington."
>>
>> Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called Dungeness crabs.
>> Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.
>>
>
>
>Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be true...
>or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be frustrated.

Don't you have a date with your friend Trump tonight ?

On 2016-10-10 4:12 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:04:20 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:11:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>>>>>>>> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
>>>>>>>> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larousse on Crab:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To prepare
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>>>>>>> skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>>>>>>> under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
>>>>>>> a fishmonger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>>>>>>> then drainand rinse under cold water...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>>>>>>> dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>>>>>>> boil it for 30 minutes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>>>>>> crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
>>>>>> a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>>>>
>>> You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
>>> we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
>>> http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/
>>
>> Which looks nothing like the Dungeness crabs in the Plymouth fish
>> market.
>
> Not my problem. Your problem is to explain a "European Dungeness
> crab" that doesn't exist.
>


Pshaw.... just leave it to me to demand that she provide proof of it and
she will pass it off and my misogyny.

On 2016-10-10 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:56:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:59:36 -0300, wrote:
>>
>
> Seriously displaying her lack of knowledge and complete inability to
> at least Google some information when given a chance to save face.
>
>
She does not have to Google and proof her point. She is can simply
allude to something and it must be true.

On 2016-10-10 4:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:18:37 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:03:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>>>>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>>>>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>>>
>>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>>> they do with their crab pots!
>>>
>>> =========
>>>
>>> Don't be silly, sf is very smart, she keeps telling us so <g>
>>
>> =====
>>
>> Gasp! Shock! Horror! Whatever can you mean??? ;p
>
> She means that you two are Looney Tunes.

;-) Give them the benefit of knowing there is a place in England called
Dungeness. About 60 miles from there is a place called Plymouth, and
people catch crabs there. However, there is the willful ignorance of
refusing to Google it to find a site they can link with the proof that
the people in Plymouth are catching and boiling Dungeness crabs almost
5000 miles from their habitat.

BTW...I had Dover sole in a restaurant in a nearby city so they must be
catching them in Lake Ontario.

On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, dsi1
> says...

>>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
>>> the US.
>>
>> Never have so few done so much to so many.
>
> true


I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
north western European ancestors have established some of the most
successful countries in the world.

On 2016-10-10 5:36 PM, wrote:
>> people put their animosity asideOn Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:21:42 -0500, Sqwertz > wrote:
at least Google some information when given a chance to save face.
>>
>> I didn't have the heart to tell her that the Pilgrim fathers didn't
>> set sail from Plymouth. The majority of passengers embarked from
>> London, then Southampton for the remainder of passengers and supplies.
>> They stopped at Plymouth briefly but the water they needed was
>> contaminated with cholera. So their last stop before America was at
>> Lewlyn for fresh, safe water (and ObFood: probably some Cornish
>> pasties, too).
>>
>> -sw
>
> So why the memorial in Plymouth and the identical one in Plymouth, New
> England? They did originally set sail from a Cornish port but were
> forced by weather to go into Plymouth and wait.
>


They actually started their voyage from Leiden in the Netherlands. The
Pilgrims were a bunch of extremist Protestants that had been shit
disturbers back in England and were political emigres in the
Netherlands. Their ship was leaking so they had to stop in England and
ended up on the Mayflower instead.

On 2016-10-10 6:01 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>>> they do with their crab pots!
>>
>>
>> Why? Are they a little slow and thing that that they are catching crabs
>> in their pots that are unique to the Pacific northwest?
>
> She spoke without thinking, but must realize she was wrong by now.The
> good thing is that she's a woman, not an ego driven man. Therefore,
> she'll soon admit her mistake.
>

My experience is that she will not.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1
> > says...
>
> >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> >>> the US.
> >>
> >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> >
> > true
>
>
> I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> successful countries in the world.

Would you say that those countries have supremacy over other countries?

On 2016-10-10 6:10 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:05:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>
>>>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>>>> they do with their crab pots!
>>>
>>> "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits eelgrass
>>> beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North America. (...) Its
>>> common name comes from the port of Dungeness, Washington."
>>>
>>> Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called Dungeness crabs.
>>> Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be true...
>> or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be frustrated.
>
> Don't you have a date with your friend Trump tonight ?
>


And to think that I just posted a response to a question about how you
must have realized by now that your were wrong and admit it. Google is
your friend. Use it to find a link to a site that agrees with you that a
species of crabs whose usual habitat is the Pacific Northwest is
commonly harvested in the UK.

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1
> > says...
>
> >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> >>> the US.
> >>
> >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> >
> > true
>
>
> I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> successful countries in the world.

White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them. If we ever do meet up with alien lifeforms and they are sufficiently advanced enough, we'll all get a reminder of what happens when a civilization at a higher technological level meets up with a primitive society. We think we're hot stuff but they'll see us as aborigines. We all know what happens to aboriginal people.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:21:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-10-10 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:56:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:59:36 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Seriously displaying her lack of knowledge and complete inability to
> > at least Google some information when given a chance to save face.
> >
> >
> She does not have to Google and proof her point. She is can simply
> allude to something and it must be true.

Donald Trump must be her mentor.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
>"European Dungeness crab" is an oxymoron. All they have there are
>those [dwarf] wimpy green and brown crabs.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:07:16 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:08:27 -0300, wrote:
>
>> Don't worry, am trying to think of anyone I can email to try and prove
>> it.
>
>Why do that? Even the quickest glance at the information on the Web
>would tell you you're mistaken.
>
>You're not even willing to consider the possibility that they may have
>been imported. You're just positive they were local dungeness, and
>for no apparent reason. That's stubborn and you're setting yourself
>up for failure.
>
>-sw

I don't for a moment believe these crabs were imported during the war
years! Far more basic eats might have been. These were readily
available locally and we ate them frequently.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:07:16 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:08:27 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> Don't worry, am trying to think of anyone I can email to try and prove
> >> it.
> >
> >Why do that? Even the quickest glance at the information on the Web
> >would tell you you're mistaken.
> >
> >You're not even willing to consider the possibility that they may have
> >been imported. You're just positive they were local dungeness, and
> >for no apparent reason. That's stubborn and you're setting yourself
> >up for failure.
> >
> >-sw
>
> I don't for a moment believe these crabs were imported during the war
> years! Far more basic eats might have been. These were readily
> available locally and we ate them frequently.

In that case, you must be able to find an Internet link that proves you
right. When I Google dungeness crab and Plymouth, I end up in MA, MI, DE
(DE?) and CA, but not in UK

On 2016-10-10 6:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>>>> Never have so few done so much to so many.
>>>
>>> true
>>
>>
>> I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
>> north western European ancestors have established some of the most
>> successful countries in the world.
>
> Would you say that those countries have supremacy over other countries?
>


I don't think I said that. They do seem to be much more desirable
places to live. I might attribute it to their having similar democratic
ideals, but there is no shortage of people trying to immigrate to them.

On 2016-10-10 7:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:21:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-10 4:14 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:56:23 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:59:36 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seriously displaying her lack of knowledge and complete inability to
>>> at least Google some information when given a chance to save face.
>>>
>>>
>> She does not have to Google and proof her point. She is can simply
>> allude to something and it must be true.
>
> Donald Trump must be her mentor.
>
>

Possible, but she would never admit to it.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-10 6:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> >>>> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> >>>
> >>> true
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> >> north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> >> successful countries in the world.
> >
> > Would you say that those countries have supremacy over other countries?
> >
>
>
> I don't think I said that. They do seem to be much more desirable
> places to live. I might attribute it to their having similar democratic
> ideals, but there is no shortage of people trying to immigrate to them.

If I lived in Europe, I'd prefer to live in southern France, southern
Italy or Greece. South western, I guess.

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:59:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
> >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> >> > >
> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> >> > >
> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
> >> > >
> >> > > To prepare
> >> > >
> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
> >> > > a fishmonger.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------
> >> > >
> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> >> > >
> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >> > >
> >> > > -sw
> >> >
> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
> >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >>
> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> >
> >Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> >
> > Carol
>
> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?

You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.

After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
American robin is Turdus migratorius.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton says...
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:59:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:

> > I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> > only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> > Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>
> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
>
> After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> American robin is Turdus migratorius.

And don't get me started about magpies.

Bruce wrote:
>
> Cindy Hamilton says...
> > After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> > American robin is Turdus migratorius.
>
> And don't get me started about magpies.

<Butthead> huhuhuh...she said "Turd" huhuh </Butthead>

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:12:23 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > > After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> > > American robin is Turdus migratorius.
> >
> > And don't get me started about magpies.
>
> <Butthead> huhuhuh...she said "Turd" huhuh </Butthead>

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:12:23 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > > > After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> > > > American robin is Turdus migratorius.
> > >
> > > And don't get me started about magpies.
> >
> > <Butthead> huhuhuh...she said "Turd" huhuh </Butthead>
>
> Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:59:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> >sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
>> >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To prepare
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
>> >> > > a fishmonger.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ---------
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -sw
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
>> >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>> >>
>> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>> >
>> >Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>> >
>> > Carol
>>
>> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
>> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
>> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>
>You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
>actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
>perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
>
>After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
>American robin is Turdus migratorius.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

And then there's the Victorius Secretus Robin:
http://i68.tinypic.com/9s80uv.jpg

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:11:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton says...
>> > After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
>> > American robin is Turdus migratorius.
>>
>> And don't get me started about magpies.
>
><Butthead> huhuhuh...she said "Turd" huhuh </Butthead>

O.k., you made me laugh!
Janet US

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
>> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
>> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
>
> Unlike American/Pacific sole vs Dover sole, it's pretty cut & dried
> what a dungeness is and that there no other crabs sharing that name.
> The binomial name is irrelevant here (but I'll show her mine if she
> shows me hers!).
>
> -sw


"The Dungeness crab, Cancer magister/ syn. Metacarcinus magister,
inhabits bays, estuaries, and the nearshore coast of Alaska. The species
is named after one of its representative habitats..a shallow, sandy bay
inside of Dungeness Spit on the south shore of the Straits of Juan de
Fuca. It is widely distributed, and can be found as far north as the
Aleutian Islands and as far south as Magdalena Bay, Mexico. This crab
supports commercial personal use and sport fisheries in Alaska. The
Dungeness crab is a decapod, related to shrimp, lobster, and other
crab. It has a broad, oval body covered by a hard chitinous shell,
four pairs of walking legs and a pair of claws. This species can be
distinguished from other commercially important crab (king and Tanner
crab) because its legs are much smaller and shorter in relation to
its body size and because the dorsal surface of its carapace is smooth
and spineless."

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...enesscrab.main

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:25:04 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
>> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
>> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
>
>Unlike American/Pacific sole vs Dover sole, it's pretty cut & dried
>what a dungeness is and that there no other crabs sharing that name.
>The binomial name is irrelevant here (but I'll show her mine if she
>shows me hers!).
>
>-sw

Perhaps these actually came from the Kentish coast where Dungeness is,
I really don't know. However they were very large and when I saw the
ad for NW Dungeness crab that I could have ordered, it sure looked
like the one I am familiar with. I also find it interesting that in
your NW they also refer to the traps as 'pots' as do the Plymouthians.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >, dsi1
> > > says...
> >
> > >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > >>> the US.
> > >>
> > >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> > >
> > > true
> >
> >
> > I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> > north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> > successful countries in the world.
>
> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.

DUH, it already did.

White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
often multiple times, and within living memory.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> >
> >Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> >
> > Carol
>
> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?

They do not and never have caught Dungeness crabs in Plymouth England,
because its a North American species (Metacarcinus magister) named after
a NA city.

The crabs caught in Devon, England, (Cancer pagurus) are unrelated. Btw
the English Dungeness is not in Devon, it's 300 miles away in Kent.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >
> >> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
> >> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
> >> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >
> >There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>
> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
> they do with their crab pots!

They'd carry right on catching brown crabs (Cancer pagurus), an
entirely different species of crab which are NOT American west coast
Dungeness crabs.

Janet UK

In article > , Janet
says...
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > In article >, dsi1
> > > > says...
> > >
> > > >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > > >>> the US.
> > > >>
> > > >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> > > >
> > > > true
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> > > north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> > > successful countries in the world.
> >
> > White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>
> DUH, it already did.
>
> White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> invaded and their culture and society overruled by

Up to here I thought you were talking about muslims.

> other white people, often multiple times, and within living memory.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:25:04 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
> >> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
> >> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
> >
> >Unlike American/Pacific sole vs Dover sole, it's pretty cut & dried
> >what a dungeness is and that there no other crabs sharing that name.
> >The binomial name is irrelevant here (but I'll show her mine if she
> >shows me hers!).
> >
> >-sw
>
> Perhaps these actually came from the Kentish coast where Dungeness is,
> I really don't know. However they were very large and when I saw the
> ad for NW Dungeness crab that I could have ordered, it sure looked
> like the one I am familiar with.

I guess this is as close as you can come to saying you were wrong.

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz
> > >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a
> Larousse >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> >> > >
> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> >> > >
> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
> >> > >
> >> > > To prepare
> >> > >
> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method,
> consult >> > > a fishmonger.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------
> >> > >
> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> >> > >
> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >> > >
> >> > > -sw
> >> >
> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and
> also >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >>
> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> >
> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
> > crabs?
> >
> > Carol
>
> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?

Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
things get named because 'they look like something from the homeland'
but arent actually it.

Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
are and if 30 mintue boil works?

--

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:28:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz
>> > >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300, wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a
>> Larousse >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To prepare
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method,
>> consult >> > > a fishmonger.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ---------
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -sw
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and
>> also >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>> >>
>> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>> >
>> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
>> > crabs?
>> >
>> > Carol
>>
>> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
>> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
>> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>
>Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
>but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
>Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
>things get named because 'they look like something from the homeland'
>but arent actually it.
>
>Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
>are and if 30 mintue boil works?

I never cooked one because you could buy them ready cooked in the fish
market, they were as nicely cooked as one would do them at home, so it
was handier to buy cooked and not smell the kitchen out.

However I could see 30 minutes, they were very large and the shell was
far thicker than a lobsters shell is - it would take awhile to cook
the thickness through.

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2016-10-10 6:10 PM, wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:05:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > >
> > > > > Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what
> > > > > would they do with their crab pots!
> > > >
> > > > "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits
> > > > eelgrass beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North
> > > > America. (...) Its common name comes from the port of
> > > > Dungeness, Washington."
> > > >
> > > > Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called
> > > > Dungeness crabs. Your Plymouthians are catching another type
> > > > of crab.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be
> > > true... or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be
> > > frustrated.
> >
> > Don't you have a date with your friend Trump tonight ?
> >
>
>
> And to think that I just posted a response to a question about how
> you must have realized by now that your were wrong and admit it.
> Google is your friend. Use it to find a link to a site that agrees
> with you that a species of crabs whose usual habitat is the Pacific
> Northwest is commonly harvested in the UK.

Hey Dave? Enough already. She tripped at most over a name used locally
for the crabs sold (different species).



--

In article >, cshenk
says...
>
> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 2016-10-10 6:10 PM, wrote:
> > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:05:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > says...
> > > >
> > > > > > Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what
> > > > > > would they do with their crab pots!
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits
> > > > > eelgrass beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North
> > > > > America. (...) Its common name comes from the port of
> > > > > Dungeness, Washington."
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called
> > > > > Dungeness crabs. Your Plymouthians are catching another type
> > > > > of crab.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be
> > > > true... or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be
> > > > frustrated.
> > >
> > > Don't you have a date with your friend Trump tonight ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > And to think that I just posted a response to a question about how
> > you must have realized by now that your were wrong and admit it.
> > Google is your friend. Use it to find a link to a site that agrees
> > with you that a species of crabs whose usual habitat is the Pacific
> > Northwest is commonly harvested in the UK.
>
> Hey Dave? Enough already. She tripped at most over a name used locally
> for the crabs sold (different species).

Is that why she never came up with a link to English dungeness crabs?

On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:

>> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>
> DUH, it already did.
>
> White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> often multiple times, and within living memory.
>

It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
offends them.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:
>
> >> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
> >
> > DUH, it already did.
> >
> > White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> > invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> > often multiple times, and within living memory.
> >
>
> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
> offends them.

Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving