On 2016-10-11 5:28 PM, cshenk wrote:
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>

>> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
>> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
>> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>
> Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
> but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
> Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
> things get named because 'they look like something from the homeland'
> but arent actually it.
>
> Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
> are and if 30 mintue boil works?
>

Go to Google Maps and look at Dungeness. It is basically a nothing
place. It is a barren spit of land.

On 2016-10-11 5:41 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 2016-10-10 6:10 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:05:23 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-10-10 3:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>>> Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what
>>>>>> would they do with their crab pots!
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Dungeness crab (...) is a species of crab that inhabits
>>>>> eelgrass beds and water bottoms on the west coast of North
>>>>> America. (...) Its common name comes from the port of
>>>>> Dungeness, Washington."
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems clear from that that European crabs aren't called
>>>>> Dungeness crabs. Your Plymouthians are catching another type
>>>>> of crab.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh no. Lucretia made some sort of allusion to it, so it must be
>>>> true... or else the ignorant putzes in Plymouth will be
>>>> frustrated.
>>>
>>> Don't you have a date with your friend Trump tonight ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> And to think that I just posted a response to a question about how
>> you must have realized by now that your were wrong and admit it.
>> Google is your friend. Use it to find a link to a site that agrees
>> with you that a species of crabs whose usual habitat is the Pacific
>> Northwest is commonly harvested in the UK.
>
> Hey Dave? Enough already. She tripped at most over a name used locally
> for the crabs sold (different species).
>


Pshaw. She did more than trip over a name used locally. Dungeness is a
long way from Plymouth and she had lots of opportunity to check it out.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-11 5:28 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
>
> >> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> >> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> >> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
> >
> > Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
> > but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
> > Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
> > things get named because 'they look like something from the homeland'
> > but arent actually it.
> >
> > Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
> > are and if 30 mintue boil works?
> >
>
> Go to Google Maps and look at Dungeness. It is basically a nothing
> place. It is a barren spit of land.

So plenty of room for Lucretia's crabs!

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 09:39:13 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>> >> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>> >
>> > DUH, it already did.
>> >
>> > White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
>> > invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
>> > often multiple times, and within living memory.
>> >
>>
>> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
>> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
>> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
>> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
>> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
>> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
>> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
>> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
>> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
>> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
>> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
>> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
>> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
>> offends them.
>
>Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
>and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving

Not in Canada, Thanksgiving here is a hangover from the church
'harvest home' thanksgiving, nothing to do with pilgrims arriving.

On 2016-10-11 5:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, cshenk
> says...

>>> And to think that I just posted a response to a question about how
>>> you must have realized by now that your were wrong and admit it.
>>> Google is your friend. Use it to find a link to a site that agrees
>>> with you that a species of crabs whose usual habitat is the Pacific
>>> Northwest is commonly harvested in the UK.
>>
>> Hey Dave? Enough already. She tripped at most over a name used locally
>> for the crabs sold (different species).
>
> Is that why she never came up with a link to English dungeness crabs?
>


Some people having an aversion to providing proof for their claims, no
matter how far off base they are. I confess that I was pretty sure than
Dungeness crabs where a north west specialty but was not 100% sure....
so I went to Google and it turned out that they were. Someone else made
some sort of half assed claim about Plymouth and crab boils and rather
than look it up herself she kept up her claim until she eventually
indicated that she might have misunderstood.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:33:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> The Indians of the
> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> captives.

Indians on the East Coast did it too, and I think they were worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...nited_State s


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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
>
> After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> American robin is Turdus migratorius.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The West Coast Dungeness is easy enough to Google.


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In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:25:04 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
> >> actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
> >> perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
> >
> >Unlike American/Pacific sole vs Dover sole, it's pretty cut & dried
> >what a dungeness is and that there no other crabs sharing that name.
> >The binomial name is irrelevant here (but I'll show her mine if she
> >shows me hers!).
> >
> >-sw
>
> Perhaps these actually came from the Kentish coast where Dungeness is,
> I really don't know. However they were very large and when I saw the
> ad for NW Dungeness crab that I could have ordered, it sure looked
> like the one I am familiar with. I also find it interesting that in
> your NW they also refer to the traps as 'pots' as do the Plymouthians.

Of course they do. The whole of Britain uses the terms lobster pots
and crab pots.

Janet UK

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>>
>> DUH, it already did.
>>
>> White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
>> invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
>> often multiple times, and within living memory.
>>
>
> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
> offends them.

****en Dave man ... he KNOWS how the Indians think!

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:28:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
> wrote: >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have
> are an >> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along
> with a >> Larousse >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random
> page: >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > To prepare
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp
> metal >> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or
> centrally >> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane
> method, >> consult >> > > a fishmonger.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30
> minutes, >> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > ---------
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> >> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely
> not >> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -sw
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European
> Dungeness >> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a
> souvenir and >> also >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> >> >
> >> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
> >> > crabs?
> >> >
> >> > Carol
> >>
> >> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> >> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> >> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
> >
> > Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
> > but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
> > Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
> > things get named because 'they look like something from the
> > homeland' but arent actually it.
> >
> > Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
> > are and if 30 mintue boil works?
>
> I never cooked one because you could buy them ready cooked in the fish
> market, they were as nicely cooked as one would do them at home, so it
> was handier to buy cooked and not smell the kitchen out.
>
> However I could see 30 minutes, they were very large and the shell was
> far thicker than a lobsters shell is - it would take awhile to cook
> the thickness through.

Humm, the thickness of the shell has little to do with cooking time
best I know?



--

On 2016-10-11 6:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
>> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
>> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
>> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
>> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
>> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
>> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
>> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
>> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
>> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
>> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
>> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
>> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
>> offends them.
>
> Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
> and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving
>

WTF are you talking about. American Thanksgiving is a version of the old
English harvest festival. There is some story about Indians being
invited to the first Thangsiving feast in the Massachusetts colony, but
there is no similar story in Canadian Thanksgiving. They are not
excluded from it. It is usually a family deal.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:33:05 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>>>
>>> DUH, it already did.
>>>
>>> White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
>>> invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
>>> often multiple times, and within living memory.
>>>
>>
>> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
>> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
>> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
>> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
>> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
>> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
>> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
>> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
>> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
>> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
>> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
>> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
>> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
>> offends them.
>
>****en Dave man ... he KNOWS how the Indians think!

He is insulting first nations people in Canada, they not surprisingly
loathe being called 'Indians' -

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:38:12 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:28:18 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote: >>
>> >> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
>> wrote: >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have
>> are an >> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along
>> with a >> Larousse >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random
>> page: >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > To prepare
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp
>> metal >> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or
>> centrally >> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane
>> method, >> consult >> > > a fishmonger.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30
>> minutes, >> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > ---------
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>> >> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely
>> not >> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > -sw
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European
>> Dungeness >> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a
>> souvenir and >> also >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>> >> >
>> >> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
>> >> > crabs?
>> >> >
>> >> > Carol
>> >>
>> >> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
>> >> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
>> >> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>> >
>> > Understood. Could it be the locals in UK call them by the area name
>> > but the actual designation (seen in Wikipeadia as only western US
>> > Pacific) is based on actual scientific names given later? Lots of
>> > things get named because 'they look like something from the
>> > homeland' but arent actually it.
>> >
>> > Would not suprise me. Either way, I wonder how large the UK version
>> > are and if 30 mintue boil works?
>>
>> I never cooked one because you could buy them ready cooked in the fish
>> market, they were as nicely cooked as one would do them at home, so it
>> was handier to buy cooked and not smell the kitchen out.
>>
>> However I could see 30 minutes, they were very large and the shell was
>> far thicker than a lobsters shell is - it would take awhile to cook
>> the thickness through.
>
>Humm, the thickness of the shell has little to do with cooking time
>best I know?

Put a lobster in a boiling pot and the heat is immediately through to
it's flesh, with a big crab with thick shell, takes longer.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-11 6:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> >> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
> >> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
> >> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
> >> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
> >> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
> >> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
> >> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
> >> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
> >> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
> >> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
> >> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
> >> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> >> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
> >> offends them.
> >
> > Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
> > and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving
> >
>
> WTF are you talking about. American Thanksgiving is a version of the old
> English harvest festival.

American Thanksgiving has an extra dimension: "Thank you, Lord, for
giving us so much food that we now all have diabetes."

> There is some story about Indians being
> invited to the first Thangsiving feast in the Massachusetts colony, but
> there is no similar story in Canadian Thanksgiving. They are not
> excluded from it. It is usually a family deal.

But they have been marginalised, like the Australian Aboriginals. When
two cultures meet, bad things tend to happen.

On 2016-10-11 7:27 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:33:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> The Indians of the
>> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
>> captives.
>
> Indians on the East Coast did it too, and I think they were worse.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...nited_State s
>

Some white nations are expected to be ashamed of their use of slaves,
but it was an institution in many parts of the world over millennia. The
US is singled out because it was such a large part of their labour base
during the times it was British colonies and then for years after
independence and the British ending it in their existing colonies. Yet
it was widely practiced in Africa... still is. The main reason they
used African slaves was because they were cheap to by. They did not go
inland searching for and capturing people to sell them into slavery. The
Africans did that for them. They already had a thriving slave trade.

On 2016-10-11 7:53 PM, wrote:

> He is insulting first nations people in Canada, they not surprisingly
> loathe being called 'Indians' -
>


It seems that Eskimo is also an insulting term. Thing is... the British
explorers picked up the work Eskimo from their Indian guides.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:04:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>It seems that Eskimo is also an insulting term.

People love to insulted/outraged/offended.
It's the most popular pastime of the 21st century.

On 2016-10-11 7:55 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:38:12 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>

>> Humm, the thickness of the shell has little to do with cooking time
>> best I know?
>
> Put a lobster in a boiling pot and the heat is immediately through to
> it's flesh, with a big crab with thick shell, takes longer.
>

I cook a big chicken longer than I cook a small one, and they don't
even have shells.

On 2016-10-11 8:06 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:04:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> It seems that Eskimo is also an insulting term.
>
> People love to insulted/outraged/offended.
> It's the most popular pastime of the 21st century.

It seems that there are many cases where a name or a label there will be
some cases where some will see it as a pejorative. The native people
were called Indians by the Europeans who settled here. Later on they
were known as native people, indigenous people, and more recently as
"first nations".

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:13:23 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> dsiahoo.com says...
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > In article >, dsi1
> > > > says...
> > >
> > > >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > > >>> the US.
> > > >>
> > > >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> > > >
> > > > true
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> > > north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> > > successful countries in the world.
> >
> > White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
>
> DUH, it already did.
>
> White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> often multiple times, and within living memory.
>
> Janet UK

My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized by the rest of your family because she's Korean.

Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present cloud of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.

http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/i...race-identity/

On 10/11/2016 6:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>>
>> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
>> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
>> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
>> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
>> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
>> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
>> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
>> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
>> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
>> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
>> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
>> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
>> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
>> offends them.
>
> Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
> and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving
>

We were taught how important the Indians were for the survival of the
Pilgrims and other white settlers. It was later we put them on
reservations.

Humans of every race and ethnicity has some dark history. Humans are
really nasty, cruel animals. Except for you and I, of course, it is
those other guys causing all the trouble.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:04:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >It seems that Eskimo is also an insulting term.
>
> People love to insulted/outraged/offended.
> It's the most popular pastime of the 21st century.

Call people something long enough and they'll be offended by the term.
They'll demand another term. Which they'll also find offensive after a
while. It's a neverending dance of political correctness.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:38:12 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> I never cooked one because you could buy them ready cooked in the
fish
> >> market, they were as nicely cooked as one would do them at home, so it
> >> was handier to buy cooked and not smell the kitchen out.
> >>
> >> However I could see 30 minutes, they were very large and the shell was
> >> far thicker than a lobsters shell is - it would take awhile to cook
> >> the thickness through.
> >
> >Humm, the thickness of the shell has little to do with cooking time
> >best I know?
>
> Put a lobster

I object to the term lobster. I suggest first crustacean.

In article >, Ed Pawlowski
says...
>
> On 10/11/2016 6:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> >>
> >> It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
> >> has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
> >> Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
> >> There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
> >> now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
> >> been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
> >> problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
> >> long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
> >> were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
> >> warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
> >> north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
> >> west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> >> captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
> >> offends them.
> >
> > Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
> > and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving
> >
>
> We were taught how important the Indians were for the survival of the
> Pilgrims and other white settlers. It was later we put them on
> reservations.
>
> Humans of every race and ethnicity has some dark history. Humans are
> really nasty, cruel animals. Except for you and I, of course, it is
> those other guys causing all the trouble.

True, I've never had a slave, for instance.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...



My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a
shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of
your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized
by the rest of your family because she's Korean.

Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept
and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present cloud
of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.

http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/i...race-identity/

=========================

That was so sad but at least it had a happy ending. Hawaii sounds
heavenly I wish I had managed to visit during my travelling years.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:29:43 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> > >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> > >
> > >Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> > >
> > > Carol
> >
> > I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> > only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> > Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
>
> They do not and never have caught Dungeness crabs in Plymouth England,
> because its a North American species (Metacarcinus magister) named after
> a NA city.
>
> The crabs caught in Devon, England, (Cancer pagurus) are unrelated. Btw
> the English Dungeness is not in Devon, it's 300 miles away in Kent.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:39:17 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >
> > On 2016-10-11 3:13 PM, Janet wrote:
> >
> > >> White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
> > >
> > > DUH, it already did.
> > >
> > > White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> > > invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> > > often multiple times, and within living memory.
> > >
> >
> > It is not just white people. Every country, every region and every race
> > has seen it happen over the years. The original people of the British
> > Isles has been overrun by a number of different European cultures.
> > There are more than 600 "first nations" in Canada... 600 groups who all
> > now call each themselves nations and who are complaining about having
> > been colonized by white Europeans. Apparently it was not much of a
> > problem for them to fight among themselves and to hold territory only as
> > long as they could fight off their neighbours. The Neutral Indians who
> > were indigenous to the Niagara area were wipe out in the 1600s by the
> > warfare between the Iroquois and the Huron. The Indians in the far
> > north used to kill Eskimos just for the hell of it. The Indians of the
> > west coast were constantly warring with each other and enslaving
> > captives. It seems to be only the white Europeans whose domination
> > offends them.
>
> Which isn't surprising since all native Indians have been marginalised
> and white man celebrates that once a year during Thanksgiving

Don't forget Columbus Day, which is also a federal holiday celebrated
on (IIRC) the second Monday of October (just this past Monday).
Some people want to call it Indigenous Peoples Day, but I generally
refer to it (sarcastically) as Native American Subjugation Day.

Renaming the holiday will neither undo all of the evils of the
past 500-odd years, nor will it undo all of the good of the past
500-odd years. We need to remember both.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:29:29 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > You know, if one of you Dungeness partisans could come up with the
> > actual genus and species of the two crabs under discussion, we could
> > perhaps agree that they're different crabs with the same common name.
> >
> > After all, the European robin is Erithacus rubecula while the
> > American robin is Turdus migratorius.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> The West Coast Dungeness is easy enough to Google.

Yes, it is. Finding out about the English crabs under discussion
was a little more difficult.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:13:23 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > dsiahoo.com says...
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > In article >, dsi1
> > > > > says...
> > > >
> > > > >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > > > >>> the US.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> > > > >
> > > > > true
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> > > > north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> > > > successful countries in the world.
> > >
> > > White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
> >
> > DUH, it already did.
> >
> > White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> > invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> > often multiple times, and within living memory.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the
local law simply because of your skin color.

I've had my one yr old baby in arms strip searched at the airport (in
Britain).

> You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized by the rest
of your family because she's Korean.

My family includes Indians, African American, Koreans, Egyptians and
Jamaican.

> Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept and not as an ever present state of living and
having an ever-present cloud of fear above your head.

Perhaps you've forgotten that many European Jews and Muslims are white.

Janet.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of your skin color.

There's an old book, "Black Like Me" that really addresses that exact
situation. I forget the author's name. I might even have that book here
but too many books to hunt for it.

Anyway, it was written by some white guy. He went into the deep south
and spent a week or so walking around and shopping, etc. Then he spent
a couple of days dying his skin black and changing his hair. He made
himself look just like a black guy.

Then he went back out into town to see how he was treated as a black
fellow.

BIG difference. It's an interesting read. Once he published the book, he
got death threats from many whites and I think he even had to move ant
change his identity.

I live in the barely South here and many of the "good ol boys" that grew
up here still have that anti-black attitude. It's quite disturbing to
me. I grew up in the North with no racial issues.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
> My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a
> shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of
> your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized
> by the rest of your family because she's Korean.
>
> Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept
> and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present cloud
> of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.
>
> http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/i...race-identity/
>
> =========================
>
> That was so sad but at least it had a happy ending. Hawaii sounds
> heavenly I wish I had managed to visit during my travelling years.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It is sad to live in fear and self-doubt. This place is populated with the descendants of slaves and landowners but the result is that we're very much interested in social justice and equality.

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 2:57:48 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1yahoo.com says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:13:23 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > dsiahoo.com says...
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > On 2016-10-10 5:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > In article >, dsi1
> > > > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > > > > >>> the US.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Never have so few done so much to so many.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > true
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not into white supremacy, but neither am I into white guilt. My
> > > > > north western European ancestors have established some of the most
> > > > > successful countries in the world.
> > > >
> > > > White people will never understand what the fuss is about until it happens to them.
> > >
> > > DUH, it already did.
> > >
> > > White people in virtually every European country have been brutally
> > > invaded and their culture and society overruled by other white people,
> > > often multiple times, and within living memory.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the
> local law simply because of your skin color.
>
> I've had my one yr old baby in arms strip searched at the airport (in
> Britain).
>
> > You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized by the rest
> of your family because she's Korean.
>
> My family includes Indians, African American, Koreans, Egyptians and
> Jamaican.
>
> > Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept and not as an ever present state of living and
> having an ever-present cloud of fear above your head.
>
> Perhaps you've forgotten that many European Jews and Muslims are white.
>
> Janet.

I've not forgotten the persecution of the Jews. I could say that perhaps you've forgotten that many Jews are non-white but that would presumptuous of me.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
> My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into
> a
> shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of
> your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized
> by the rest of your family because she's Korean.
>
> Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept
> and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present
> cloud
> of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.
>
>
>
> =========================
>
> That was so sad but at least it had a happy ending. Hawaii sounds
> heavenly I wish I had managed to visit during my travelling years.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It is sad to live in fear and self-doubt. This place is populated with the
descendants of slaves and landowners but the result is that we're very much
interested in social justice and equality.

===========

A fine haven for those such as Louise. She was lucky to find it.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:01:41 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of your skin color.
>
> There's an old book, "Black Like Me" that really addresses that exact
> situation. I forget the author's name. I might even have that book here
> but too many books to hunt for it.
>
> Anyway, it was written by some white guy. He went into the deep south
> and spent a week or so walking around and shopping, etc. Then he spent
> a couple of days dying his skin black and changing his hair. He made
> himself look just like a black guy.
>
> Then he went back out into town to see how he was treated as a black
> fellow.
>
> BIG difference. It's an interesting read. Once he published the book, he
> got death threats from many whites and I think he even had to move ant
> change his identity.
>
> I live in the barely South here and many of the "good ol boys" that grew
> up here still have that anti-black attitude. It's quite disturbing to
> me. I grew up in the North with no racial issues.

I have seen the subtle and non-subtle treatment of blacks in the Northern states and was appalled. What an eye-opener that was. We as a nation have some ways to go yet.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:01:41 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go
> > into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply
> > because of your skin color.
>
> There's an old book, "Black Like Me" that really addresses that exact
> situation. I forget the author's name. I might even have that book here
> but too many books to hunt for it.
>
> Anyway, it was written by some white guy. He went into the deep south
> and spent a week or so walking around and shopping, etc. Then he spent
> a couple of days dying his skin black and changing his hair. He made
> himself look just like a black guy.
>
> Then he went back out into town to see how he was treated as a black
> fellow.
>
> BIG difference. It's an interesting read. Once he published the book, he
> got death threats from many whites and I think he even had to move ant
> change his identity.
>
> I live in the barely South here and many of the "good ol boys" that grew
> up here still have that anti-black attitude. It's quite disturbing to
> me. I grew up in the North with no racial issues.

I have seen the subtle and non-subtle treatment of blacks in the Northern
states and was appalled. What an eye-opener that was. We as a nation have
some ways to go yet.

===========

That is horrible

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On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 4:24:45 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go into
> > a
> > shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because of
> > your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and ostracized
> > by the rest of your family because she's Korean.
> >
> > Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract concept
> > and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present
> > cloud
> > of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.
> >
> >
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > That was so sad but at least it had a happy ending. Hawaii sounds
> > heavenly I wish I had managed to visit during my travelling years.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> It is sad to live in fear and self-doubt. This place is populated with the
> descendants of slaves and landowners but the result is that we're very much
> interested in social justice and equality.
>
> ===========
>
> A fine haven for those such as Louise. She was lucky to find it.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

I made shrimp curry last night. My goal was to make a curry as it was made in Hawaii back in the old days i.e., pre-nineties. Back in those days, we'd never think to add coconut milk to curry or make it spicy. The Hawaiian shrimp curry was mild, a little sweet, and flavored only with curry powder. It was bland yet tasty.

The influx of Korean, Vietnamese, and Thais to our shore changed our curry. They taught us to kick our food up a couple of notches and things have never been the same. We have gotten to be one of the spiciest states in the union. This is a very good thing.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 5:01:48 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:01:41 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go
> > > into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply
> > > because of your skin color.
> >
> > There's an old book, "Black Like Me" that really addresses that exact
> > situation. I forget the author's name. I might even have that book here
> > but too many books to hunt for it.
> >
> > Anyway, it was written by some white guy. He went into the deep south
> > and spent a week or so walking around and shopping, etc. Then he spent
> > a couple of days dying his skin black and changing his hair. He made
> > himself look just like a black guy.
> >
> > Then he went back out into town to see how he was treated as a black
> > fellow.
> >
> > BIG difference. It's an interesting read. Once he published the book, he
> > got death threats from many whites and I think he even had to move ant
> > change his identity.
> >
> > I live in the barely South here and many of the "good ol boys" that grew
> > up here still have that anti-black attitude. It's quite disturbing to
> > me. I grew up in the North with no racial issues.
>
> I have seen the subtle and non-subtle treatment of blacks in the Northern
> states and was appalled. What an eye-opener that was. We as a nation have
> some ways to go yet.
>
> ===========
>
> That is horrible
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

I did find it distressing.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 5:01:48 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 3:01:41 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go
> > > into a shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply
> > > because of your skin color.
> >
> > There's an old book, "Black Like Me" that really addresses that exact
> > situation. I forget the author's name. I might even have that book here
> > but too many books to hunt for it.
> >
> > Anyway, it was written by some white guy. He went into the deep south
> > and spent a week or so walking around and shopping, etc. Then he spent
> > a couple of days dying his skin black and changing his hair. He made
> > himself look just like a black guy.
> >
> > Then he went back out into town to see how he was treated as a black
> > fellow.
> >
> > BIG difference. It's an interesting read. Once he published the book, he
> > got death threats from many whites and I think he even had to move ant
> > change his identity.
> >
> > I live in the barely South here and many of the "good ol boys" that grew
> > up here still have that anti-black attitude. It's quite disturbing to
> > me. I grew up in the North with no racial issues.
>
> I have seen the subtle and non-subtle treatment of blacks in the Northern
> states and was appalled. What an eye-opener that was. We as a nation have
> some ways to go yet.
>
> ===========
>
> That is horrible
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

I did find it distressing.

===========

Yes( I never saw that in India when I live there. Maybe I was just
lucky.




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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 4:24:45 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > My guess is that you've never been watched with suspicion when you go
> > into
> > a
> > shop in your town or have been hassled by the local law simply because
> > of
> > your skin color. You haven't had your step-mom disrespected and
> > ostracized
> > by the rest of your family because she's Korean.
> >
> > Most white people in the UK and America know racism as an abstract
> > concept
> > and not as an ever present state of living and having an ever-present
> > cloud
> > of fear above your head. Perhaps you will one day.
> >
> >
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > That was so sad but at least it had a happy ending. Hawaii sounds
> > heavenly I wish I had managed to visit during my travelling years.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> It is sad to live in fear and self-doubt. This place is populated with the
> descendants of slaves and landowners but the result is that we're very
> much
> interested in social justice and equality.
>
> ===========
>
> A fine haven for those such as Louise. She was lucky to find it.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

I made shrimp curry last night. My goal was to make a curry as it was made
in Hawaii back in the old days i.e., pre-nineties. Back in those days, we'd
never think to add coconut milk to curry or make it spicy. The Hawaiian
shrimp curry was mild, a little sweet, and flavored only with curry powder.
It was bland yet tasty.

The influx of Korean, Vietnamese, and Thais to our shore changed our curry.
They taught us to kick our food up a couple of notches and things have never
been the same. We have gotten to be one of the spiciest states in the union.
This is a very good thing.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...hare_link_copy

==============

Aye I know you like spicy stuff) As I always say, you may have my share


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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:38:12 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Humm, the thickness of the shell has little to do with cooking time
> best I know?

For Dungeness crabs, keep them in the water until they turn red. Any
longer and it's over cooked.


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