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Has anyone reviewed this Cookbook?

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On 2016-10-08 6:22 PM, William wrote:
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Nope. It never happened, despite JoC having been around for decades.

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Oh, hell no. Never heard of it.
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>William
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There are several revised editions - I would rate it good but not the
best.
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There's joy in cooking? Dang, whooddah thunk it! It's work to cook and
cooking is work, right??!! Dang, no fun there, duh!

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> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
> >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.

> >
> > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> >
> > Larousse on Crab:
> >
> > To prepare
> >
> > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal skewer
> > into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally under the
> > tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult a
> > fishmonger.
> >
> > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes, then
> > drainand rinse under cold water...
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For dungeness
> > crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not boil it for 30
> > minutes!
> >
> > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >
> > -sw

>
> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.


Umm, probably wrong name there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeness_crab

It's west coast USA stuff (pacific).

Maybe there is a large version from Euorope with a similar city name
but not the same critter?



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> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
> > >
> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> > >
> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> > >
> > > Larousse on Crab:
> > >
> > > To prepare
> > >
> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
> > > a fishmonger.
> > >
> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> > >
> > > ---------
> > >
> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> > >
> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> > >
> > > -sw

> >
> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>
> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.


Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> > > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
> > > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> > > >
> > > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> > > >
> > > > Larousse on Crab:
> > > >
> > > > To prepare
> > > >
> > > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> > > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> > > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
> > > > a fishmonger.
> > > >
> > > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> > > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > >
> > > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> > > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> > > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> > > >
> > > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> > > >
> > > > -sw
> > >
> > > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> > > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
> > > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

> >
> > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

>
> Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>

You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/



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In article >, sf says...
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> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

> >
> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> >

> You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/


Pot calling kettle black.
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> >
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> > >
> > > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> > >

> > You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> > we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> > http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/

>
> Pot calling kettle black.


Huh?


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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:

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>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>
>There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.


Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
they do with their crab pots!
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
>> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>> > >
>> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>> > >
>> > > Larousse on Crab:
>> > >
>> > > To prepare
>> > >
>> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
>> > > a fishmonger.
>> > >
>> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
>> > >
>> > > ---------
>> > >
>> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
>> > >
>> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> >
>> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
>> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>>
>> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

>
>Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>
> Carol


I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:

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>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>
>There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.


Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
they do with their crab pots!

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:11:57 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300, wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
>> > > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
>> > > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
>> > > >
>> > > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
>> > > >
>> > > > Larousse on Crab:
>> > > >
>> > > > To prepare
>> > > >
>> > > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
>> > > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
>> > > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
>> > > > a fishmonger.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
>> > > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
>> > > >
>> > > > ---------
>> > > >
>> > > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
>> > > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
>> > > > boil it for 30 minutes!
>> > > >
>> > > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
>> > > >
>> > > > -sw
>> > >
>> > > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
>> > > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
>> > > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
>> >
>> > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

>>
>> Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
>>

>You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
>we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
>
http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/


Which looks nothing like the Dungeness crabs in the Plymouth fish
market.


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> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:16:45 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >, sf says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> > > >
> > > You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> > > we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> > > http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/

> >
> > Pot calling kettle black.

>
> Huh?


Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
the US.
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>wrote in message ...
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>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>>
>>There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

>
>Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>they do with their crab pots!
>
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>
>Don't be silly, sf is very smart, she keeps telling us so <g>


Ah but telling doesn't make it so !
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>wrote in message ...
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>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:21:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
>>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
>>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.

>>
>>There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

>
>Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
>they do with their crab pots!
>
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>
>Don't be silly, sf is very smart, she keeps telling us so <g>


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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 06:07:39 +1100, Bruce >
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>Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.


Eww, gross.


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>>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:16:45 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article >, sf says...
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > > >
>> > > > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
>> > > >
>> > > > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
>> > > > crabs?
>> > > >
>> > > You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab,
>> > > but
>> > > we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
>> > > http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/
>> >
>> > Pot calling kettle black.

>>
>> Huh?

>
> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> the US.


And Australia, and Canada.

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> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 06:07:39 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
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> >Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.

>
> Eww, gross.


Not that type
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>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 06:07:39 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Your Plymouthians are catching another type of crab.

>>
>> Eww, gross.

>
>Not that type


For all we know, Sheldon holidays there. So anything is possible.
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:04:20 -0300, wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:11:57 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300,
wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> >> > > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a Larousse
> >> > > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Larousse on Crab:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To prepare
> >> > > >
> >> > > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> >> > > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> >> > > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method, consult
> >> > > > a fishmonger.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> >> > > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ---------
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> >> > > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> >> > > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -sw
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> >> > > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also
> >> > > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> >>
> >> Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> >>

> >You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> >we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> >
http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/

>
> Which looks nothing like the Dungeness crabs in the Plymouth fish
> market.


Not my problem. Your problem is to explain a "European Dungeness
crab" that doesn't exist.


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>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 08:29:31 -0300,
wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 21:49:41 -0500, Sqwertz

> > >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:19:51 -0300,
wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I haven't looked through the newest one, the two I have are an
> >> > >> original (lucky find in a used book store along with a

> Larousse >> > >> Gastronomique) and a 1964 edition.
> >> > >
> >> > > I just downloaded Larousse and opened it up to a random page:
> >> > >
> >> > > Larousse on Crab:
> >> > >
> >> > > To prepare
> >> > >
> >> > > To kill a live crab, stab it several times with a sharp metal
> >> > > skewer into the underside directly behind the eyes or centrally
> >> > > under the tail flap. If in doubt about the humane method,

> consult >> > > a fishmonger.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cook the crab by boiling it in salted water for 20-30 minutes,
> >> > > then drainand rinse under cold water...
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------
> >> > >
> >> > > Boil for 20-30 minutes?!?!? Is that a 30-pound crab? For
> >> > > dungeness crab, I steam for maybe 12 minutes. Definitely not
> >> > > boil it for 30 minutes!
> >> > >
> >> > > Kinda makes me skeptical about the rest of what he writes.
> >> > >
> >> > > -sw
> >> >
> >> > I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness
> >> > crab, it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and

> also >> > a very nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >>
> >> There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

> >
> > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the
> > crabs?
> >
> > Carol

>
> I suppose it is not surprising that again the US 'thinks' it is the
> only one - perhaps that is because the Pilgrim Fathers sailed from
> Plymouth where they catch Dungeness crabs?


Could be, but the ones on wikipeadia are west coast. There might be a
smaller one that looks like it in the UK? Not sure!



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> >>
> >>> I don't cook with it, but if it was the usual European Dungeness crab,
> >>> it could indeed be huge. I bought it as a souvenir and also a very
> >>> nice, well used copy of Ma Beeton.
> >>
> >>There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.

> >
> >Don't tell the people in Plymouth, England that - my god what would
> >they do with their crab pots!
> >
> >=========
> >
> >Don't be silly, sf is very smart, she keeps telling us so <g>

>
> =====
>
> Gasp! Shock! Horror! Whatever can you mean??? ;p


She means that you two are Looney Tunes.


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On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:05:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, sf says...
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:16:45 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, sf says...
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > >
> > > > > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> > > > >
> > > > You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> > > > we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> > > > http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/
> > >
> > > Pot calling kettle black.

> >
> > Huh?

>
> Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> the US.


Never have so few done so much to so many.


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In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:05:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, sf says...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:16:45 +1100, Bruce >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article >, sf says...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:04:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no such thing as a European Dungeness crab.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't there a city by that name though that they may use for the crabs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > You can Google that for yourself. Dungeness is a West Coast crab, but
> > > > > we also have an invasive species called the European green crab.
> > > > > http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/carcinus_maenas/
> > > >
> > > > Pot calling kettle black.
> > >
> > > Huh?

> >
> > Well, you could say that European white man is an invasive species in
> > the US.

>
> Never have so few done so much to so many.


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