Bruce > wrote:
> In article >,
> Cindy Hamilton says...
>>
>> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> In article >, Cheri says...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count how
>>>>>>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>>>>>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some ersatz
>>>>>>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
>>>>>>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy Brit brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your sugary
>>>>>> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry meats?
>>>>>> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant you
>>>>>> are to use real ingredients.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
>>>>
>>>> I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
>>>> I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
>>>> ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
>>>> is made with dehy apples...
>>>> Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
>>>
>>> I rest my case.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
>> made sweets in the winter?
>
> So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> they became dehydrated?
>

They dehydrated them by peeling, coring and slicing them, then stringing
them up to dry over several days. Dried apples were given to children as
a snack, but most dried apples were rehydrated and used in pies and other
things. It was also standard practice to make apple butter and apple
leather with their apple harvests. By and large, most apples were not
stored whole over the winter by the pioneers.

--
jinx the minx

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > @verizon.net says...
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >> In article >, Cheri says...
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count how
> > > > >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
> > > > >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some ersatz
> > > > >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
> > > > >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy Brit brain.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your sugary
> > > > >> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry meats?
> > > > >> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant you
> > > > >> are to use real ingredients.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > >
> > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
> > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
> > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
> > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > >
> > > I rest my case.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > made sweets in the winter?
>
> Pioneers knew from their European homes that fresh apples will store
> all winter in a cool frost-free place like a coldroom or root cellar,
> just like potatoes, onions,carrots etc.
>
> Janet UK

I imagine they preserved them both ways. Surely some climatic
conditions were not suitable for cellaring.

I haven't looked for cellared apples, but I have found some allegedly early
recipes for dried apple pie.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >, Cheri says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count how
>>>>>>>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>>>>>>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some ersatz
>>>>>>>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
>>>>>>>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy Brit brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your sugary
>>>>>>> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry meats?
>>>>>>> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant you
>>>>>>> are to use real ingredients.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
>>>>> I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
>>>>> ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
>>>>> is made with dehy apples...
>>>>> Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
>>>>
>>>> I rest my case.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
>>> made sweets in the winter?
>>
>> Pioneers knew from their European homes that fresh apples will store
>> all winter in a cool frost-free place like a coldroom or root cellar,
>> just like potatoes, onions,carrots etc.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> I imagine they preserved them both ways. Surely some climatic
> conditions were not suitable for cellaring.
>
> I haven't looked for cellared apples, but I have found some allegedly early
> recipes for dried apple pie.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Not to mention, bushels of whole apples would have consumed a lot of space
on wagons of the pioneers traveling west. For those pioneers, apples were
dried.

--
jinx the minx

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:29:13 -0300, wrote:

>>LZ182413785On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:02:31 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. NET...
>>
>>In article >,
>>Cindy Hamilton says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> > In article >, gravesend10
>>> > @verizon.net says...
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> > > >> In article >, Cheri says...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and
>>> > > >>>>> count how
>>> > > >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>> > > >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
>>> > > >>>>> ersatz
>>> > > >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by
>>> > > >>>>> Swansons.
>>> > > >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy
>>> > > >>> Brit brain.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your
>>> > > >> sugary
>>> > > >> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry
>>> > > >> meats?
>>> > > >> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant
>>> > > >> you
>>> > > >> are to use real ingredients.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
>>> > >
>>> > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
>>> > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
>>> > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
>>> > > is made with dehy apples...
>>> > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
>>> >
>>> > I rest my case.
>>> >
>>> > Janet UK
>>>
>>> Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
>>> made sweets in the winter?
>>
>>So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
>>they became dehydrated?
>>
>>======================
>>
>>I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
>>dehydrator)
>>
>>This is mine:
>>
>>http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
>
>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>apple juice stuff.

The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
stuff at the store is not.
Janet US

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I am not a big fan of mushrooms. I sure don't want them in my chicken
> pot pie.

You sure wouldn't have liked my dinner last night then.
It was "Marie Callender's Creamy Mushroom Chicken Pot Pie"
It was tasty but too much crust.
I think a top crust only is the way to go.

> I don't want bacon in chicken pot pie, either.

Bacon in corn chowder is good...also clam chowder.

Hey...I'll cook bacon every chance I get. Even if I don't add to my
dish, I can snack on it later.

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> Cindy Hamilton says...
> >
> > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > @verizon.net says...
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > >
> > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
> > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
> > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
> > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > >
> > > I rest my case.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > made sweets in the winter?
>
> So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> they became dehydrated?
>
> ======================
>
> I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
> dehydrator)
>
> This is mine:
>
> http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA

We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
it

On 2016-10-14 8:29 AM, wrote:
>> LZ182413785On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:02:31 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:

> Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
> apple juice stuff.

??? I am trying to figure the connection here. Windfalls can be any
variety of apple. They are the apples that fall on the tree and usually
end up bruised and could have been sampled by any number of critters
that wandered through the orchard. There is no other use for them so
they scoop them off the ground and make cider, and it is not always hard
cider. There are a lot of local apple orchards and no shortage of
produce stands, corner store and grocery store selling sweet cider. The
soft cider market around here is much larger than the hard cider one.

Janet B > wrote:

>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>apple juice stuff.
>
>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>stuff at the store is not.
>Janet US

There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.

http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-14 8:29 AM, wrote:
> >> LZ182413785On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:02:31 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
> > Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
> > apple juice stuff.
>
> ??? I am trying to figure the connection here.

The fall on the ground changes the apples' cell structure at the
molecular level, which leads to a harder cider.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:04:35 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:29:13 -0300, wrote:
>
>>>LZ182413785On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:02:31 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
.NET...
>>>
>>>In article >,
>>>Cindy Hamilton says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>> > In article >, gravesend10
>>>> > @verizon.net says...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> > > >> In article >, Cheri says...
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and
>>>> > > >>>>> count how
>>>> > > >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>>> > > >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
>>>> > > >>>>> ersatz
>>>> > > >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by
>>>> > > >>>>> Swansons.
>>>> > > >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy
>>>> > > >>> Brit brain.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your
>>>> > > >> sugary
>>>> > > >> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry
>>>> > > >> meats?
>>>> > > >> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant
>>>> > > >> you
>>>> > > >> are to use real ingredients.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
>>>> > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
>>>> > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
>>>> > > is made with dehy apples...
>>>> > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
>>>> >
>>>> > I rest my case.
>>>> >
>>>> > Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
>>>> made sweets in the winter?
>>>
>>>So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
>>>they became dehydrated?
>>>
>>>======================
>>>
>>>I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
>>>dehydrator)
>>>
>>>This is mine:
>>>
>>>http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
>>
>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>apple juice stuff.

The brown cloudy cider is just not hard cider, it's not fermented....
but it's not apple juice either... apple juice (like Motts) is not a
pure apple product, it's diluted, with plain water, it's filtered and
has sugar added.

>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious.

Apple Ranch must be an out west cowboy term, in NYS it's an Apple
Orchard.

>The bottled stuff at the store is not.

Do you really believe the stores press their own apples? Every bottle
of apple cider I've ever seen at retail stores has the name of the
orchard where it was produced boldly printed on the label.
I've never seen a citrus ranch or citrus orchard either, citrus is
grown in Groves.

On 10/14/2016 1:37 PM, wrote:
> Janet B > wrote:
>
>>> Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>> apple juice stuff.
>>
>> The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>> stuff at the store is not.
>> Janet US
>
> There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
> wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
> day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
> from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
> one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>
> http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>
Some of the finest cyder in the UK is made where I come from in Suffolk.
I tried to bring some back this year but didn't have the room. I've
enquired about getting it imported but there is some arcane rule that
you can't sell it in the 500ml bottles in which it comes.
It is made from "proper" cider apple varieties too.
Graham

On 10/14/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I am not a big fan of mushrooms. I sure don't want them in my chicken
>> pot pie.
>
> You sure wouldn't have liked my dinner last night then.
> It was "Marie Callender's Creamy Mushroom Chicken Pot Pie"
> It was tasty but too much crust.
> I think a top crust only is the way to go.
>
>> I don't want bacon in chicken pot pie, either.
>
> Bacon in corn chowder is good...also clam chowder.
>
> Hey...I'll cook bacon every chance I get. Even if I don't add to my
> dish, I can snack on it later.
>
Bacon in potato soup and in any kind of chowder is fine with me.

Mushrooms, nope.

Jill

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:

> Janet B > wrote:
>
>>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>>apple juice stuff.
>>
>>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>>stuff at the store is not.
>
>There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
>wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
>day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
>from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
>one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>
>http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/

There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
many.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
>
> > Janet B > wrote:
> >
> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
> >>>apple juice stuff.
> >>
> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
> >>stuff at the store is not.
> >
> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
> >
> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>
> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
> many.

I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania. I
always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
much.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 08:59:28 -0500, jinx the minx
> wrote:

>Bruce > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Cindy Hamilton says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-10-13 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >, Cheri says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count how
>>>>>>>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>>>>>>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some ersatz
>>>>>>>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
>>>>>>>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't judge American cooks by how you do things with your soggy Brit brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's right. Where would you be without your supermarkets, your sugary
>>>>>>> prefab products, your ready-made sauces and your cheap industry meats?
>>>>>>> If there's one thing this newsgroup taught me, it's how reluctant you
>>>>>>> are to use real ingredients.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job so
>>>>> I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one person
>>>>> ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple pie
>>>>> is made with dehy apples...
>>>>> Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
>>>>
>>>> I rest my case.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
>>> made sweets in the winter?
>>
>> So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
>> they became dehydrated?
>>
>
>They dehydrated them by peeling, coring and slicing them, then stringing
>them up to dry over several days. Dried apples were given to children as
>a snack, but most dried apples were rehydrated and used in pies and other
>things. It was also standard practice to make apple butter and apple
>leather with their apple harvests. By and large, most apples were not
>stored whole over the winter by the pioneers.

Even today most fruit is dried and of late freeze dried... 90% of the
US strawberry crop is freeze dried. Much of the pressings from apples
is used to produce pectin, same with orange rinds from extracting
juice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectin

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >,
> Cindy Hamilton says...
> >
> > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > @verizon.net says...
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > >
> > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job
> > > > so
> > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one
> > > > person
> > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple
> > > > pie
> > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > >
> > > I rest my case.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > made sweets in the winter?
>
> So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> they became dehydrated?
>
> ======================
>
> I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
> dehydrator)
>
> This is mine:
>
> http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA

We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
it

=============

Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for example) I
will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.

I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >,
> > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > >
> > > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > > @verizon.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job
> > > > > so
> > > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one
> > > > > person
> > > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple
> > > > > pie
> > > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > > >
> > > > I rest my case.
> > > >
> > > > Janet UK
> > >
> > > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > > made sweets in the winter?
> >
> > So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> > they became dehydrated?
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
> > dehydrator)
> >
> > This is mine:
> >
> > http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
>
> We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
> it
>
> =============
>
> Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for example) I
> will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
>
> I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.

When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >,
> > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > >
> > > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > > @verizon.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job
> > > > > so
> > > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one
> > > > > person
> > > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple
> > > > > pie
> > > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > > >
> > > > I rest my case.
> > > >
> > > > Janet UK
> > >
> > > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > > made sweets in the winter?
> >
> > So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> > they became dehydrated?
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
> > dehydrator)
> >
> > This is mine:
> >
> > http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
>
> We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
> it
>
> =============
>
> Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for example)
> I
> will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
>
> I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.

When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.
==============

Not that I know of, but I will freeze for choice and if the freezers get too
full, I dehydrate rather than let them go to waste.



--
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:29:19 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> > Janet B > wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>> >>>apple juice stuff.
>> >>
>> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>> >>stuff at the store is not.
>> >
>> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
>> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
>> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
>> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
>> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>> >
>> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>>
>> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
>> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
>> many.
>
>I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania.

Yes. It used to be known as the 'Apple Isle' for good reason, sadly in
recent decades the fresh apple market went into decline.

> I
>always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
>cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
>much.

Yes, they can't all survive in the long term. We also have one or two
distilleries here too now... the cost of the whiskey is insane,
though.

If I was 15 years younger, I reckon I would go into small scale, high
quality mead production. Hmm... I might make a cider/mead hybrid once
apple season kicks in.

>

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:51:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:29:19 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>> > Janet B > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>> >>>apple juice stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>>> >>stuff at the store is not.
>>> >
>>> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
>>> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
>>> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
>>> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
>>> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>>> >
>>> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>>>
>>> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
>>> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
>>> many.
>>
>>I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania.
>
>Yes. It used to be known as the 'Apple Isle' for good reason, sadly in
>recent decades the fresh apple market went into decline.
>
>> I
>>always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
>>cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
>>much.
>
>Yes, they can't all survive in the long term. We also have one or two
>distilleries here too now... the cost of the whiskey is insane,
>though.
>
>If I was 15 years younger, I reckon I would go into small scale, high
>quality mead production. Hmm... I might make a cider/mead hybrid once
>apple season kicks in.

There has been a total rethink on drinking these days around here.
Used to be rum, gin, vodka now spirits take a back seat. Beer
drinkers want the small breweries, cider is going the same way and
wine is king.

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
> > >
> > > I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have
> > > a dehydrator)
> > >
> > > This is mine:
> > >
> > > http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
> >
> > We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
> > it
> >
> > =============
> >
> > Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for example)
> > I
> > will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
> >
> > I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.
>
> When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
> we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
> dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.
> ==============
>
> Not that I know of, but I will freeze for choice and if the freezers get too
> full, I dehydrate rather than let them go to waste.

I'll start experimenting a bit. The thing was too expensive not to use
it.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:29:19 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >> > Janet B > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
> >> >>>apple juice stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
> >> >>stuff at the store is not.
> >> >
> >> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
> >> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
> >> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
> >> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
> >> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
> >> >
> >> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
> >>
> >> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
> >> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
> >> many.
> >
> >I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania.
>
> Yes. It used to be known as the 'Apple Isle' for good reason, sadly in
> recent decades the fresh apple market went into decline.

Yes, competition from South America, I believe. Cheap labour and all
that, probably.

> > I
> >always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
> >cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
> >much.
>
> Yes, they can't all survive in the long term. We also have one or two
> distilleries here too now... the cost of the whiskey is insane,
> though.

The same with Tasmanian wine. I guess the small scale pushes the price
up.

> If I was 15 years younger, I reckon I would go into small scale, high
> quality mead production. Hmm... I might make a cider/mead hybrid once
> apple season kicks in.

Sounds interesting.

On 2016-10-14 4:04 PM, graham wrote:
> On 10/14/2016 1:37 PM, wrote:

> Some of the finest cyder in the UK is made where I come from in Suffolk.
> I tried to bring some back this year but didn't have the room. I've
> enquired about getting it imported but there is some arcane rule that
> you can't sell it in the 500ml bottles in which it comes.
> It is made from "proper" cider apple varieties too.


The LCBO has been flogging (hard) cider in a big way this year. I have
been seeing larger displays and more variety in the last couple of
months than ever before.

I don't know about "proper" varieties. I have spent my life in places
with apple orchards. I had one right next store to me for about 25 years
and I have known a lot of apple farmers. Cider was always made from
windfall apples. They would go through the orchard and pick up all the
fallen apples that were not really rotten and take them to be pressed
for cider. It was basically a by product of the orchard. No one grows
apples just for cider. They get more money from selling the good quality
apples that are picked from the tree and sold for eating or baking than
they get for cider apples. Cider producers would not pay the premium
prices for juicing apples when they can buy windfalls for a fraction of
the price.

> On 10/13/2016 4:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-10-13 5:37 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2016 3:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-13 12:21 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple pie, blackcurrant pie, etc. Remember, apple pie isn't
>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just *perfected* by Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count
>>>>> how
>>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
>>>>> ersatz
>>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
>>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL. There is some irony to the stereotypical boasting, especially
>>>> considering the number of people in a cooking newsgroup who cannot make
>>>> pie pastry. The common view in here is that it simply isn't worth the
>>>> effort to make pie dough.
>>>>
>>> But it's so easy!
>>
>> Yep... easy as pie. There are a number of people here who have
>> reported that they cannot make pie pastry or that they prefer to just
>> buy pies or pie shells. Yet that those does not stop someone from
>> making a claim that Americans perfected apple pie.

We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL

Cheri

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
> > >
> > > I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have
> > > a dehydrator)
> > >
> > > This is mine:
> > >
> > > http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
> >
> > We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
> > it
> >
> > =============
> >
> > Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for
> > example)
> > I
> > will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
> >
> > I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.
>
> When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
> we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
> dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.
> ==============
>
> Not that I know of, but I will freeze for choice and if the freezers get
> too
> full, I dehydrate rather than let them go to waste.

I'll start experimenting a bit. The thing was too expensive not to use
it.

==============

I can't remember what mine cost, I bought it too long ago. Mine doesn't
have those coloured shelves and the outer is black.

Let me know how you get on The last thing I dried was bread for making
crumbs Before that it was excess apples but that tends to happen most
years. D. eats them as a snack

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In article >, Cheri says...
>
> > On 10/13/2016 4:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2016-10-13 5:37 PM, graham wrote:
> >>> On 10/13/2016 3:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2016-10-13 12:21 PM, Janet wrote:
> >>>>> In article >,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Apple pie, blackcurrant pie, etc. Remember, apple pie isn't
> >>>>>>> American
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Janet UK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just *perfected* by Americans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and count
> >>>>> how
> >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
> >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
> >>>>> ersatz
> >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by Swansons.
> >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL. There is some irony to the stereotypical boasting, especially
> >>>> considering the number of people in a cooking newsgroup who cannot make
> >>>> pie pastry. The common view in here is that it simply isn't worth the
> >>>> effort to make pie dough.
> >>>>
> >>> But it's so easy!
> >>
> >> Yep... easy as pie. There are a number of people here who have
> >> reported that they cannot make pie pastry or that they prefer to just
> >> buy pies or pie shells. Yet that those does not stop someone from
> >> making a claim that Americans perfected apple pie.
>
> We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL

Oh good, for a moment I thought you were serious about the apple pie

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
> > >
> > > Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for
> > > example)
> > > I
> > > will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
> > >
> > > I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.
> >
> > When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
> > we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
> > dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.
> > ==============
> >
> > Not that I know of, but I will freeze for choice and if the freezers get
> > too
> > full, I dehydrate rather than let them go to waste.
>
> I'll start experimenting a bit. The thing was too expensive not to use
> it.
>
> ==============
>
> I can't remember what mine cost, I bought it too long ago. Mine doesn't
> have those coloured shelves and the outer is black.
>
> Let me know how you get on The last thing I dried was bread for making
> crumbs Before that it was excess apples but that tends to happen most
> years. D. eats them as a snack

Yes, I might start with apples and bananas.

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
> > >
> > > Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for
> > > example)
> > > I
> > > will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
> > >
> > > I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.
> >
> > When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
> > we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
> > dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.
> > ==============
> >
> > Not that I know of, but I will freeze for choice and if the freezers get
> > too
> > full, I dehydrate rather than let them go to waste.
>
> I'll start experimenting a bit. The thing was too expensive not to use
> it.
>
> ==============
>
> I can't remember what mine cost, I bought it too long ago. Mine doesn't
> have those coloured shelves and the outer is black.
>
> Let me know how you get on The last thing I dried was bread for making
> crumbs Before that it was excess apples but that tends to happen most
> years. D. eats them as a snack

Yes, I might start with apples and bananas.

=============

Oh yes, bananas are very good.


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On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 4:41:19 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Ophelia says...
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > T...
> >
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
> > >
> > > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > > T...
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > > > In article >, gravesend10
> > > > > @verizon.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:22:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >How many in here can even make a pie from scratch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've made thousands... I don't care much for pie but it was my job
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > I made pies for nearly 400 from absolute scratch... and not one
> > > > > > person
> > > > > > ever complained other than they didn't get enough. The best apple
> > > > > > pie
> > > > > > is made with dehy apples...
> > > > > > Apple Pie Filling from Dehydrated Apples
> > > > >
> > > > > I rest my case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janet UK
> > > >
> > > > Dried apples have a long tradition. How else would our pioneers have
> > > > made sweets in the winter?
> > >
> > > So those European pioneers let apples lie around and instead of rotting
> > > they became dehydrated?
> > >
> > > ======================
> > >
> > > I don't know what they used to dehydrate their apples, but I have a
> > > dehydrator)
> > >
> > > This is mine:
> > >
> > > http://www.ukjuicers.com/excalibur-9...FQaVGwodidwJnA
> >
> > We have the same one, except white. I still have to find a purpose for
> > it
> >
> > =============
> >
> > Hmm I guess you don't make jerky? If I have a glut (of fruit for example) I
> > will dehydrate some rather than let it go to waste.
> >
> > I will dehydrate all foods rather than waste them.
>
> When we have a glut of, say broad beans, snake beans or chilli peppers,
> we freeze them. Would there be an advantage to drying them? I know that
> dried apricots can be nice if they're not full of sulphites.

Shrug. Not a problem if you're not sensitive to them. They occur
naturally in a variety of foods, although I don't know the relative
concentrations versus added sulfites in dried fruit.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>
> In article >, Cheri says...
> > We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL
>
> Oh good, for a moment I thought you were serious about the apple pie


Old saying here about the USA....
"Mom, apple pie, and the girl next door."

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, Cheri says...
>>
>> > On 10/13/2016 4:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2016-10-13 5:37 PM, graham wrote:
>> >>> On 10/13/2016 3:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>> On 2016-10-13 12:21 PM, Janet wrote:
>> >>>>> In article >,
>> >>>>> says...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> Apple pie, blackcurrant pie, etc. Remember, apple pie isn't
>> >>>>>>> American
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Janet UK
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Just *perfected* by Americans.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and
>> >>>>> count
>> >>>>> how
>> >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
>> >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
>> >>>>> ersatz
>> >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by
>> >>>>> Swansons.
>> >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LOL. There is some irony to the stereotypical boasting, especially
>> >>>> considering the number of people in a cooking newsgroup who cannot
>> >>>> make
>> >>>> pie pastry. The common view in here is that it simply isn't worth
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> effort to make pie dough.
>> >>>>
>> >>> But it's so easy!
>> >>
>> >> Yep... easy as pie. There are a number of people here who have
>> >> reported that they cannot make pie pastry or that they prefer to just
>> >> buy pies or pie shells. Yet that those does not stop someone from
>> >> making a claim that Americans perfected apple pie.
>>
>> We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL
>
> Oh good, for a moment I thought you were serious about the apple pie

I was just giving some back to those posters who never miss a chance to take
cheap shots at the USA, I expected the typical responses from them, but with
very few exceptions there is nothing that other countries have that I envy
and am quite happy with where I am in the world. YMMV

Cheri

In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, Cheri says...
> >>
> >> > On 10/13/2016 4:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2016-10-13 5:37 PM, graham wrote:
> >> >>> On 10/13/2016 3:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >>>> On 2016-10-13 12:21 PM, Janet wrote:
> >> >>>>> In article >,
> >> >>>>> says...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Apple pie, blackcurrant pie, etc. Remember, apple pie isn't
> >> >>>>>>> American
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Janet UK
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Just *perfected* by Americans.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Don't make me laugh. Just look at this thread, Cheri, and
> >> >>>>> count
> >> >>>>> how
> >> >>>>> many Americans can make a pie. All Americans do is open a can of
> >> >>>>> filling, add ready made, ready rolled pastry, serve it with some
> >> >>>>> ersatz
> >> >>>>> spray foam crap then say you'd rather buy one ready made by
> >> >>>>> Swansons.
> >> >>>>> No wonder you've all got soggy bottoms.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> LOL. There is some irony to the stereotypical boasting, especially
> >> >>>> considering the number of people in a cooking newsgroup who cannot
> >> >>>> make
> >> >>>> pie pastry. The common view in here is that it simply isn't worth
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> effort to make pie dough.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> But it's so easy!
> >> >>
> >> >> Yep... easy as pie. There are a number of people here who have
> >> >> reported that they cannot make pie pastry or that they prefer to just
> >> >> buy pies or pie shells. Yet that those does not stop someone from
> >> >> making a claim that Americans perfected apple pie.
> >>
> >> We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL
> >
> > Oh good, for a moment I thought you were serious about the apple pie
>
> I was just giving some back to those posters who never miss a chance to take
> cheap shots at the USA, I expected the typical responses from them, but with
> very few exceptions there is nothing that other countries have that I envy
> and am quite happy with where I am in the world. YMMV

Nobody's suggesting to kidnap you.

In article >, Gary says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > In article >, Cheri says...
> > > We perfected just about everything worth perfecting, live with it. LOL
> >
> > Oh good, for a moment I thought you were serious about the apple pie
>
>
> Old saying here about the USA....
> "Mom, apple pie, and the girl next door."

All 3 or do you have to choose?

On 2016-10-15 2:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Cheri says...

>> I was just giving some back to those posters who never miss a chance to take
>> cheap shots at the USA, I expected the typical responses from them, but with
>> very few exceptions there is nothing that other countries have that I envy
>> and am quite happy with where I am in the world. YMMV
>
> Nobody's suggesting to kidnap you.

I thought that the cheap shot was taken by the person who claimed that
Americans perfected apple pie....especially coming from a news group
where so few can even make pie pastry.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-15 2:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Cheri says...
>
> >> I was just giving some back to those posters who never miss a chance to take
> >> cheap shots at the USA, I expected the typical responses from them, but with
> >> very few exceptions there is nothing that other countries have that I envy
> >> and am quite happy with where I am in the world. YMMV
> >
> > Nobody's suggesting to kidnap you.
>
> I thought that the cheap shot was taken by the person who claimed that
> Americans perfected apple pie....especially coming from a news group
> where so few can even make pie pastry.

That statement definitely asked for a few cheap shots back.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:56:23 -0300, wrote:

>>
>
>On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:51:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:29:19 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Janet B > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>>>> >>>apple juice stuff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>>>> >>stuff at the store is not.
>>>> >
>>>> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
>>>> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
>>>> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
>>>> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
>>>> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>>>> >
>>>> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>>>>
>>>> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
>>>> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
>>>> many.
>>>
>>>I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania.
>>
>>Yes. It used to be known as the 'Apple Isle' for good reason, sadly in
>>recent decades the fresh apple market went into decline.
>>
>>> I
>>>always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
>>>cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
>>>much.
>>
>>Yes, they can't all survive in the long term. We also have one or two
>>distilleries here too now... the cost of the whiskey is insane,
>>though.
>>
>>If I was 15 years younger, I reckon I would go into small scale, high
>>quality mead production. Hmm... I might make a cider/mead hybrid once
>>apple season kicks in.
>
>There has been a total rethink on drinking these days around here.
>Used to be rum, gin, vodka now spirits take a back seat. Beer
>drinkers want the small breweries, cider is going the same way and
>wine is king.

I wish I liked grape wine but just never been able to take to it. I
have made a couple of grape meads (which is really a type of wine)
that I thought were okay though.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 08:06:12 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:29:19 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:37:21 -0300, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Janet B > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>>Windfalls make the best cider! That's 'hard' cider, not that brown
>> >> >>>apple juice stuff.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The fresh-pressed cider at an apple ranch is delicious. The bottled
>> >> >>stuff at the store is not.
>> >> >
>> >> >There has been a renaissance in cider here, never understood why it
>> >> >wasn`t popular with all the apple trees around, now it`s having it`s
>> >> >day. My favourite is called No Boats on Sunday, all made an hour
>> >> >from here. I try new ones all the time, it`s wonderful, it was the
>> >> >one thing I really missed when we came here 50 years ago.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://occasions.mynslc.com/no-boats-on-sunday-cider/
>> >>
>> >> There's been a renaissance in cider here too, I gave up after a while
>> >> trying to sample all brands of cider and perry here... there's just so
>> >> many.
>> >
>> >I've seen lots of apple orchards pulled out or abandoned in Tasmania.
>>
>> Yes. It used to be known as the 'Apple Isle' for good reason, sadly in
>> recent decades the fresh apple market went into decline.
>
>Yes, competition from South America, I believe. Cheap labour and all
>that, probably.
>
>> > I
>> >always wondered why those apple farmers stick with apples, but switch to
>> >cider. Maybe by now, there's too much of it, but 10 years ago, not so
>> >much.
>>
>> Yes, they can't all survive in the long term. We also have one or two
>> distilleries here too now... the cost of the whiskey is insane,
>> though.
>
>The same with Tasmanian wine. I guess the small scale pushes the price
>up.
>
>> If I was 15 years younger, I reckon I would go into small scale, high
>> quality mead production. Hmm... I might make a cider/mead hybrid once
>> apple season kicks in.
>
>Sounds interesting.

It's an expensive product to make, but I've made some that are very,
very good indeed (even if I do say so myself). My most popular was a
blueberry mead (or melomel if you prefer). IIRC, it cost me something
like $80 in blueberries and similar in honey. Plus the 30L carboy to
put it in. But it was worth it. I make my own 'whiskey' as well.

On 10/10/2016 3:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "sf" wrote in message ...
>
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:02:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>>
>> Ahhh do I take it you are now learning to weigh ingredients?
>>
> I've had a scale for years, but only use it for recipes that are
> written that way. I prefer to use cups and teaspoons. When it comes
> to flour, I know how much a cup should weigh and how to get the proper
> weight without using a scale - because I'm smart like that.
>
> ===========
>
> Aww yes, I forgot just how clever you THINK you are!! Yannow what sf,
> I wasn't speaking to you, no offence was intended or even thought of,
> but you just can't help yourself, can you???
>
> Now **** off until you can behave like a decent human being.
>
WTF was that little tantrum about? I have a kitchen scale, it barely
gets any use. Grandma didn't use one, mom didn't use one, I don't use
one. Even when I baked bread I didn't use one. Is owning a kitchen
scale supposed to make you somehow appear superior?

Jill

On 2016-10-15 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 3:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>> Now **** off until you can behave like a decent human being.
>>
> WTF was that little tantrum about? I have a kitchen scale, it barely
> gets any use. Grandma didn't use one, mom didn't use one, I don't use
> one. Even when I baked bread I didn't use one. Is owning a kitchen
> scale supposed to make you somehow appear superior?
>
>
Knowing what a kitchen scale makes that thing think she is superior.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 19:36:12 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/10/2016 3:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "sf" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:02:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahhh do I take it you are now learning to weigh ingredients?
>>>
>> I've had a scale for years, but only use it for recipes that are
>> written that way. I prefer to use cups and teaspoons. When it comes
>> to flour, I know how much a cup should weigh and how to get the proper
>> weight without using a scale - because I'm smart like that.
>>
>> ===========
>>
>> Aww yes, I forgot just how clever you THINK you are!! Yannow what sf,
>> I wasn't speaking to you, no offence was intended or even thought of,
>> but you just can't help yourself, can you???
>>
>> Now **** off until you can behave like a decent human being.
>>
>WTF was that little tantrum about?

Just showing her true colours.

>I have a kitchen scale, it barely
>gets any use. Grandma didn't use one, mom didn't use one, I don't use
>one. Even when I baked bread I didn't use one. Is owning a kitchen
>scale supposed to make you somehow appear superior?

I rarely use scales either, although I do for baking bread. I'll
concede that I probably don't really need to use scales for that
either