On 2016-10-19, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> You set up thousands of dollars in equipment....


Relax Ed, I was jes asking, not accussing.

Does building $8M wafer etching machines count? Been there, done
that, wore out that t-shirt.

It's why I didn't take a job as copier tech, WHEN I WAS LAYED OFF!!
Workers have a choice. Keep the same job fer less money or learn
another occupation. That is what I did. I don't sit around
complaining about what a job USED to pay, I find a job that pays the
same or more and learn to do it. See how that works.

nb

On 10/19/2016 6:29 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-19, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> You set up thousands of dollars in equipment....
>
>
> Relax Ed, I was jes asking, not accussing.
>
> Does building $8M wafer etching machines count? Been there, done
> that, wore out that t-shirt.
>
> It's why I didn't take a job as copier tech, WHEN I WAS LAYED OFF!!
> Workers have a choice. Keep the same job fer less money or learn
> another occupation. That is what I did. I don't sit around
> complaining about what a job USED to pay, I find a job that pays the
> same or more and learn to do it. See how that works.
>
> nb
>

Yeah but you weren't paying for the machine, he is. He's trying to sell
the business but other in the same field are struggling and don't want
to take on more.

On 2016-10-19, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Yeah but you weren't paying for the machine, he is. He's trying to sell
> the business but other in the same field are struggling and don't want
> to take on more.

Sucks to be yer brother.

nb

On 10/19/2016 7:14 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 08:12:53 -0600, graham wrote:
>
>> Looks good!
>> http://tiny.cc/3vjqfy
>
> I bet you didn't think this post would get 240 replies (and still
> counting).
>
> -sw
>
No! But the thread drift doesn't surprise me!

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 5:53:42 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/19/2016 10:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 10/19/2016 3:08 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2016-10-19, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/19/2016 2:17 PM, notbob wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On 2016-10-19, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> He has business, but what he used to get paid $225 for he now gets
> >>>>> $77.
> >>
> >>>> How much is the patient now charged versus what the patient was
> >>>> formerly charged?
> >>
> >>> $0 then, $0 now
> >>
> >> So, what did yer SIL usta get $225 for? Perhaps $77 is all what he
> >> did is really worth.
> >>
> >> Hopefully, he's not like that hospital which charged my mom $25 fer 2
> >> aspirin tablets. That's jes not right, no matter how it's spun.
> >>
> >> nb
> >>
> >
> > You set up thousands of dollars in equipment, service visits on a
> > regular basis, emergency service 24/7, assorted supplies. All for less
> > that what an appliance repairman gets to walk through the door.
>
> My dad lives in Sweden sometimes. When he was returning to America, he
> thought he'd better pay the hospital bill for a shattered ankle that he
> sustained when he fell on the ice. He got great care which along with
> several surgeries, came out to fifty bucks US. He was stunned and he
> decided not to ask questions and leave in a swift manner. Americans are
> stunned when they get medical bills in Europe - but in a good way.
>
> In order for this to work properly in America, the medical field has to
> view their work as humanitarian and not as a get-rich scheme. Mostly,
> it's a simple matter of perspective.

Very few doctors (except in high-paid specialties like plastic surgery)
view medicine as a get-rich scheme. Most of them are trying to pay for
their education, malpractice insurance, and the overhead costs of running
their business. That's why so many of them join medical service corporations.

Now, medical service corporations might have a slightly different viewpoint.
Corporations are pretty much free from the values that individuals
generally have.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-10-20 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Very few doctors (except in high-paid specialties like plastic surgery)
> view medicine as a get-rich scheme. Most of them are trying to pay for
> their education, malpractice insurance, and the overhead costs of running
> their business. That's why so many of them join medical service corporations.


A good friend of mine was a doctor who moved down to Texas to join an
another doctor's practice. He was lured down there with promises of
higher pay and the lack of a state sales tax. He had delivered
thousands of babies up her, including our son, but he gave up on that
because the cost of malpractice insurance was so high.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-10-20 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Very few doctors (except in high-paid specialties like plastic surgery)
> > view medicine as a get-rich scheme. Most of them are trying to pay for
> > their education, malpractice insurance, and the overhead costs of running
> > their business. That's why so many of them join medical service corporations.
>
> A good friend of mine was a doctor who moved down to Texas to join an
> another doctor's practice. He was lured down there with promises of
> higher pay and the lack of a state sales tax. He had delivered
> thousands of babies up her, including our son, but he gave up on that
> because the cost of malpractice insurance was so high.

It would seem that malpractice insurance would be just as high in
Texas. (?) I remember reading many years ago that the average annual
cost of malpractice for a GP was around $100K. That was a long long time
ago.

On 2016-10-20 11:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-10-20 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Very few doctors (except in high-paid specialties like plastic surgery)
>>> view medicine as a get-rich scheme. Most of them are trying to pay for
>>> their education, malpractice insurance, and the overhead costs of running
>>> their business. That's why so many of them join medical service corporations.
>>
>> A good friend of mine was a doctor who moved down to Texas to join an
>> another doctor's practice. He was lured down there with promises of
>> higher pay and the lack of a state sales tax. He had delivered
>> thousands of babies up her, including our son, but he gave up on that
>> because the cost of malpractice insurance was so high.
>
> It would seem that malpractice insurance would be just as high in
> Texas. (?) I remember reading many years ago that the average annual
> cost of malpractice for a GP was around $100K. That was a long long time
> ago.



He gave up on the obstetrical work when he moved to Texas because the
malpractice insurance was so much more expensive there.