In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:40:54 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:26:46 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:19:04 +1100, Bruce >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article >, Janet B says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:36:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> It's called clipping for clarity. I was responding to a specific
> >> >> >> >> remark of yours (not Nancy Young's) that I identified. You were
> >> >> >> >> responding to Nancy who said nothing to generate your comment. You
> >> >> >> >> said " I hope at this time, people put their animosity aside," There
> >> >> >> >> was no need for such a remark as no one had said anything untoward --
> >> >> >> >> except you. Others were making comments, yes. But nothing that even
> >> >> >> >> hinted at bad feelings. We were all commenting on conditions in
> >> >> >> >> Jill's area out of concern. We all knew that she had not evacuated.
> >> >> >> >> This series of posts was about Jill only.
> >> >> >> >> If you want to start a post about Gary, do so. I see you've already
> >> >> >> >> started one for yourself.
> >> >> >> >> Janet US
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Janet, go stuff yourself if no one can comment on another also in
> >> >> >> >adversity
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But you just couldn't comment on someone's adversity, could you? You
> >> >> >> had to preach to everyone not to have animosity towards specific
> >> >> >> people. That's called stirring.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You're doing the stirring, you know. You could have let that little
> >> >> >thing go, but you saw your chance and went for it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is exactly what you just did.
> >> >
> >> >But I don't deny it
> >>
> >> Excellent. I award you a TVP sausage as a reward.
> >
> >Thanks. I had to look that up. It doesn't seem all that bad.
>
> I have horrible memories of them when I went through my vegetarian
> phase at age 18. Trust me, you don't want to try one!

If I want a meat replacer, I prefer mock duck (or mock pork or mock
chicken, same idea). Very nice, but not if you're gluten intolerant.

> >Meat eaters eat it a lot, because it's often used as a meat extender.
>
> I sure don't eat it at all.

No, not unless you eat prefab supermarket meat products to which they
add it as an extender.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:40:54 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> Excellent. I award you a TVP sausage as a reward.
>> >
>> >Thanks. I had to look that up. It doesn't seem all that bad.
>>
>> I have horrible memories of them when I went through my vegetarian
>> phase at age 18. Trust me, you don't want to try one!
>
>If I want a meat replacer, I prefer mock duck (or mock pork or mock
>chicken, same idea). Very nice, but not if you're gluten intolerant.

IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
bother to even try to pretend to be meat.

>> >Meat eaters eat it a lot, because it's often used as a meat extender.
>>
>> I sure don't eat it at all.
>
>No, not unless you eat prefab supermarket meat products to which they
>add it as an extender.

Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.

Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
cream replacement.

> Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
> checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.

lol

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> > not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> > bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
>
> Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> cream replacement.
>
> > Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
> > checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> > vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> > of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> > them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
>
> lol

Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:35:45 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
>> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
>> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
>
>Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
>replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
>cream replacement.

LOL, duck ice cream.

Ingredients suggest it's nasty, from wikipedia:
"Mock duck is a gluten-based vegetarian food. It is made of wheat
gluten, oil, sugar, soy sauce, and salt. It is thus high in protein.
Its distinctive flavor and artificial "plucked duck" texture
distinguish it from other forms of commercially available gluten
products"

Regardless, I'd try it out of sheer curiosity. Duck is one of my very
favourite meats, not that I would expect mock duck to be actually
duck-like.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:35:45 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> >> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> >> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
> >
> >Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> >replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> >cream replacement.
>
> LOL, duck ice cream.
>
> Ingredients suggest it's nasty, from wikipedia:
> "Mock duck is a gluten-based vegetarian food. It is made of wheat
> gluten, oil, sugar, soy sauce, and salt. It is thus high in protein.
> Its distinctive flavor and artificial "plucked duck" texture
> distinguish it from other forms of commercially available gluten
> products"

> Regardless, I'd try it out of sheer curiosity. Duck is one of my very
> favourite meats, not that I would expect mock duck to be actually
> duck-like.

That's not a bad ingredient list. I think there's also some ancient
Chinese wizardry involved in the production. Whether you'd like the
flavour is another matter.

In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> > > not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> > > bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
> >
> > Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> > replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> > cream replacement.
> >
> > > Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
> > > checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> > > vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> > > of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> > > them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
> >
> > lol
>
> Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
>
> http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/

That's good. Soon you'll be able to order your plant-based protein rare,
medium or well done. And if you squeeze it right, you can hear a faint
moo.

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:24:11 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, dsi1
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> > > > not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> > > > bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
> > >
> > > Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> > > replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> > > cream replacement.
> > >
> > > > Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
> > > > checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> > > > vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> > > > of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> > > > them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
> > >
> > > lol
> >
> > Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
> >
> > http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
>
> That's good. Soon you'll be able to order your plant-based protein rare,
> medium or well done. And if you squeeze it right, you can hear a faint
> moo.

Your concerns about meat production will pretty much resolve itself. Slaughtering animals for meat will be frowned upon as a savage practice - at least in the Western world. Oddly enough, smoking will be okay.

On 10/10/2016 7:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
>>> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
>>> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
>>
>> Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
>> replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
>> cream replacement.
>>
>>> Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
>>> checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
>>> vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
>>> of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
>>> them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
>>
>> lol
>
> Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
>
> http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
>
This thread drift is bordering on the obscene!
THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT
JILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:24:11 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the
> > > > > supermarket
> > > > > checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> > > > > vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> > > > > of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> > > > > them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
> > > >
> > > > lol
> > >
> > > Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
> > >
> > > http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
> >
> > That's good. Soon you'll be able to order your plant-based protein rare,
> > medium or well done. And if you squeeze it right, you can hear a faint
> > moo.
>
> Your concerns about meat production will pretty much resolve itself. Slaughtering animals for meat will be frowned upon as a savage practice - at least in the Western world. Oddly enough, smoking will be okay.

Yes, I think that will happen. It is inefficient and barbaric when you
think about it. But are you referring to smoking tobacco or meat?

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 7:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> In article >, Jeßus says....
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> >>> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> >>> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
> >>
> >> Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> >> replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> >> cream replacement.
> >>
> >>> Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
> >>> checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> >>> vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> >>> of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> >>> them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
> >>
> >> lol
> >
> > Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
> >
> > http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
> >
> This thread drift is bordering on the obscene!
> THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT
> JILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

Well OK, I'm not really following this thread too carefully. I'll let you have your way otherwise it's gonna be an exclamation mark crisis of unprecedented proportions. All I know is that you better not make this about me!

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 6:19:59 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, dsi1
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:24:11 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >, dsi1
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the
> > > > > > supermarket
> > > > > > checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
> > > > > > vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
> > > > > > of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
> > > > > > them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
> > > > >
> > > > > lol
> > > >
> > > > Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
> > >
> > > That's good. Soon you'll be able to order your plant-based protein rare,
> > > medium or well done. And if you squeeze it right, you can hear a faint
> > > moo.
> >
> > Your concerns about meat production will pretty much resolve itself. Slaughtering animals for meat will be frowned upon as a savage practice - at least in the Western world. Oddly enough, smoking will be okay.
>
> Yes, I think that will happen. It is inefficient and barbaric when you
> think about it. But are you referring to smoking tobacco or meat?

I'm sorry, I can't discuss this matter. People will get upset, and that we cannot allow.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:49:06 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 10/10/2016 7:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
>>>> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
>>>> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
>>>
>>> Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
>>> replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
>>> cream replacement.
>>>
>>>> Yep. This kinda reminds me of last week waiting at the supermarket
>>>> checkout. The hipster couple in front of me had a pile of fresh
>>>> vegetables and low fat dairy products... the only other item was one
>>>> of those awful manufactured meat chubs of dog food. I wanted to punch
>>>> them in the face, but sadly we have laws against that.
>>>
>>> lol
>>
>> Yesss... things are progressing as we have planned...
>>
>> http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/t...n-beyond-meat/
>>
>This thread drift is bordering on the obscene!
>THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT
>JILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

You're really angry lately. A lot.

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 10/10/2016 1:50 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 3:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:49 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> Agreed and i hope at this time, people put their animosity aside,
>>>> and just recall we have 2 known regular posters out of contact.
>>>> While I am sure both are ok, Jill and Gary are apt to be without
>>>> power.
>>> snip
>>>
>>> why are you stirring? At this time I see no animosity except for you
>>> picking at it.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> You are replying with truncation to this:
>>
>> Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 10/10/2016 10:00 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 23:32:11 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't see her house in those photos, I was thinking of
>>>>> publishing the site for those of us who have been worried for
>>>>> days now. I don't see a sign of the flooding I feared. I don't
>>>>> want to be too quickly optimistic, but cautiously I wait a note
>>>>> or a phone call.
>>>
>>>> She doesn't have a cell phone, just a land line with a cordless
>>>> phone so with no power she probably can't use her cordless very
>>>> long before the battery in the handset dies. With power out over a
>>>> wide area there'd be no land line service anyway. Of course you
>>>> could always try phoning her.
>>>
>>> I don't mean to imply that I expect her to call momentarily, just
>>> that I will not be totally relieved until I hear from her how it
>>> went.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> Agreed and i hope at this time, people put their animosity aside, and
>> just recall we have 2 known regular posters out of contact. While I am
>> sure both are ok, Jill and Gary are apt to be without power.
>>
>> Jill may or may not have evacuated (not clear) and Gary was not called
>> to evacuate because it was too late in Virginia Beach to know some
>> should, before you couldnt get out. The call here was 'if you can get
>> to high ground, do so or stay home and be careful'.
>>
>> I don't have Gary's exact address (nor should I) or phone number (nor
>> should I) but his general area has up to 50,000 with no power still.
>> Last check, we are at just under 200,000 without power still. His
>> area, hard hit.
>>
>> --- No stirring, others were making comments
>>
>
> I'm confused. Was the animosity comment in reaction to something
> I said? I haven't seen anything but concern for how Jill fared.
>
> Now I'll be thinking of Gary, too. I don't know why I thought he'd
> posted since Matthew.
>
> nancy


Seems we have a fight going on between someone who said let's not fight
and someone who replied let's not fight.

==============

Sounds pretty normal for here)



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"Gary" wrote in message ...

cshenk wrote:
>

> Dunno how long Dataw will take. I wish Jill well. I wish Gary well as
> well.
>

I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more boring than
living without electricity for an extended period. sheez! Hopefully
boredom is her only problem.

Anyway, I'm back and fine. No electricity was no fun. No personal damage
for me though it is a mess everywhere around the beach. With that storm
turning way before it got here, I didn't see all this mess coming. Oh
well.

:-D
==============

Good to see you posting again)



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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I think Gary lives on the bottom floor. And at his complex, IIRC, the
> ground floor is partly below ground level. So if there was any
> flooding in his neighborhood then he probably got wet.

You're close, Steve. I live on the bottom floor of a two-story building.
Underneath my bottom floor is the basement. The basement is partly below
and partly above ground level. Nobody lives in the basement. It's an
open space (2100 sq feet). Mostly empty but sometimes used temporarily
for company storage. It also contains the two giant water heaters for my
building (24 apartments).

Anyway, I live on the bottom apartment above the basement. It's about 6
feet above ground. I walk up 10 steps to get to my front door. No
flooding problems here.

wrote:
>
> Good to know you're okay

I'm like the fly you keep swishing at and it keeps coming back. heheh

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> On 10/10/2016 5:47 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> > I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more boring than
> > living without electricity for an extended period. sheez! Hopefully
> > boredom is her only problem.
>
> Hey! You're back. I'm glad it was only a short time with no power
> and sounds like you weren't flooded out.

Lots of mess here but my only problem was loss of electricity then more
time without cable tv.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 10/10/2016 5:47 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, I'm back and fine. No electricity was no fun. No personal damage
> > for me though it is a mess everywhere around the beach. With that storm
> > turning way before it got here, I didn't see all this mess coming. Oh
> > well.
> >
> > :-D
> >
>
> You spoiled all the fun of speculation. Had you waited a couple of days
> to return the denizens of RFC would have had you washed out to sea or
> hanging in a tree waiting for the flood to recede.
>
> Glad you had no loss though.

Thanks Ed. Funny what you said above.

As of this morning, still over half of my neighborhood was without
power. Then at 9am, I went to the drugstore. On the way home, I stopped
at my 2nd choice grocery store. They are still closed with no power.
wth?

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Good to see you posting again)

Clicking heals together and saying, "There's no place like home." :-D

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:47:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>cshenk wrote:
>>
>
>> Dunno how long Dataw will take. I wish Jill well. I wish Gary well as
>> well.
>>
>
>I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more boring than
>living without electricity for an extended period. sheez! Hopefully
>boredom is her only problem.
>
>Anyway, I'm back and fine. No electricity was no fun. No personal damage
>for me though it is a mess everywhere around the beach. With that storm
>turning way before it got here, I didn't see all this mess coming. Oh
>well.
>
> :-D

Glad you're fine. The news for North Carolina just keeps getting
worse and worse. It's beyond my imagination as to how individuals
deal with it. Thankfully you're dry and hopefully Jill is and was as
well.
Janet US

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:14:24 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> I think Gary lives on the bottom floor. And at his complex, IIRC, the
>> ground floor is partly below ground level. So if there was any
>> flooding in his neighborhood then he probably got wet.
>
>You're close, Steve. I live on the bottom floor of a two-story building.
>Underneath my bottom floor is the basement. The basement is partly below
>and partly above ground level. Nobody lives in the basement. It's an
>open space (2100 sq feet). Mostly empty but sometimes used temporarily
>for company storage. It also contains the two giant water heaters for my
>building (24 apartments).

Then the two floors are 4,200 sq ft... divided by 24 apartments if all
equal size makes them each about the size of a roomy toilet (175 sq
ft).

>Anyway, I live on the bottom apartment above the basement. It's about 6
>feet above ground. I walk up 10 steps to get to my front door. No
>flooding problems here.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Good to see you posting again)

Clicking heals together and saying, "There's no place like home." :-D

===========

Sometimes)))

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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Then the two floors are 4,200 sq ft... divided by 24 apartments if all
> equal size makes them each about the size of a roomy toilet (175 sq
> ft).

lol. Failed math in high school, I'll bet.

My apartment is 1050 sq ft. Same as my next door neighbor.
Basement is underneath us both. Basement = 2100 sq feet.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:14:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Good to know you're okay
>
>I'm like the fly you keep swishing at and it keeps coming back. heheh

Lol - better a fly than a moskie!

On 10/11/2016 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 5:47 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more boring than
>>> living without electricity for an extended period. sheez! Hopefully
>>> boredom is her only problem.
>>
>> Hey! You're back. I'm glad it was only a short time with no power
>> and sounds like you weren't flooded out.
>
> Lots of mess here but my only problem was loss of electricity then more
> time without cable tv.

After Sandy, we were without power for 11 days. Our neighbor's tree
had fallen on our wires but they weren't pulled down (the power
outage was counties wide), our Verizon cable wire was left hanging
looow. All these tree service trucks going back and forth, I was
thinking if our power comes back up but our cable is out for another
two weeks because the cable is pulled down, I might just lose it.

We saw a Verizon truck outside and Ron ran out and gave the guy
20 if he'd tighten up our cable wire. No truck that comes down
our street's going to hit it now, it was higher than the
electric wires.

nancy

In article >,
says...
>
> On 10/9/2016 8:50 AM, Janet B wrote:
> >
> > http://www.islandpacket.com/news/wea...107003452.html
> >
>
> This is a more relevant site:
> http://www.dataw.com/default.aspx?p=...&itemID=308300
>
> look at the pictures - anyone know her address?

From photos, some homes in the road Jill lives in have suffered
damage from fallen branches and trees, but roofs and windows were not
blown off/out.

ISTR Jill said on rfc her home did not have trees very close to it, so
I hope hers is safe.

According to the Dataw site, power is now back on, phones are not, the
club is serving food (it had generators to keep the fridges andfreezers
working)

Janet UK

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:05:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 10/9/2016 8:50 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> >
>> > http://www.islandpacket.com/news/wea...107003452.html
>> >
>>
>> This is a more relevant site:
>> http://www.dataw.com/default.aspx?p=...&itemID=308300
>>
>> look at the pictures - anyone know her address?
>
> From photos, some homes in the road Jill lives in have suffered
>damage from fallen branches and trees, but roofs and windows were not
>blown off/out.
>
> ISTR Jill said on rfc her home did not have trees very close to it, so
>I hope hers is safe.
>
> According to the Dataw site, power is now back on, phones are not, the
>club is serving food (it had generators to keep the fridges andfreezers
>working)
>
> Janet UK

that's great news. thx
Janet US

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:47:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Then the two floors are 4,200 sq ft... divided by 24 apartments if all
>> equal size makes them each about the size of a roomy toilet (175 sq
>> ft).
>
>lol. Failed math in high school, I'll bet.
>
>My apartment is 1050 sq ft. Same as my next door neighbor.
>Basement is underneath us both. Basement = 2100 sq feet.

Then many of those apartments are smaller than a phone booth.
My house is 2,000 sq ft, I don't consider it large. There's no way it
can be divided up into 24 apartments, not even 12 apartments, not even
six apartments, not even three apartments, perhaps two 2 bedroom
apartments.

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > I think Gary lives on the bottom floor. And at his complex, IIRC,
> > the ground floor is partly below ground level. So if there was any
> > flooding in his neighborhood then he probably got wet.
>
> You're close, Steve. I live on the bottom floor of a two-story
> building. Underneath my bottom floor is the basement. The basement
> is partly below and partly above ground level. Nobody lives in the
> basement. It's an open space (2100 sq feet). Mostly empty but
> sometimes used temporarily for company storage. It also contains the
> two giant water heaters for my building (24 apartments).
>
> Anyway, I live on the bottom apartment above the basement. It's about
> 6 feet above ground. I walk up 10 steps to get to my front door. No
> flooding problems here.

Thats good to know. Your area (in general) was hit almost as hard as
Bow Creek general area where I am.

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:22:04 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:35:45 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
>> >> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
>> >> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
>> >
>> >Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
>> >replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
>> >cream replacement.
>>
>> LOL, duck ice cream.
>>
>> Ingredients suggest it's nasty, from wikipedia:
>> "Mock duck is a gluten-based vegetarian food. It is made of wheat
>> gluten, oil, sugar, soy sauce, and salt. It is thus high in protein.
>> Its distinctive flavor and artificial "plucked duck" texture
>> distinguish it from other forms of commercially available gluten
>> products"
>
>> Regardless, I'd try it out of sheer curiosity. Duck is one of my very
>> favourite meats, not that I would expect mock duck to be actually
>> duck-like.
>
>That's not a bad ingredient list. I think there's also some ancient
>Chinese wizardry involved in the production. Whether you'd like the
>flavour is another matter.

I'll keep an eye out for it. We have a pretty good Asian foods store
in Launceston, that might be a good place to start looking for it.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:14:24 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> I think Gary lives on the bottom floor. And at his complex, IIRC,
> the >> ground floor is partly below ground level. So if there was any
> >> flooding in his neighborhood then he probably got wet.
> >
> > You're close, Steve. I live on the bottom floor of a two-story
> > building. Underneath my bottom floor is the basement. The basement
> > is partly below and partly above ground level. Nobody lives in the
> > basement. It's an open space (2100 sq feet). Mostly empty but
> > sometimes used temporarily for company storage. It also contains
> > the two giant water heaters for my building (24 apartments).
>
> Then the two floors are 4,200 sq ft... divided by 24 apartments if all
> equal size makes them each about the size of a roomy toilet (175 sq
> ft).
>
> > Anyway, I live on the bottom apartment above the basement. It's
> > about 6 feet above ground. I walk up 10 steps to get to my front
> > door. No flooding problems here.

Don't get stupid. His particular building has the hot water heaters
for the rest in his complex. There would be multiple buildings
supports by 2 hot water heaters of a commercial level.

When I lived in San Diego, the side of our apartment building had one
of 6-8 commercial units across the complex. I think there were about
200 apartments total but individual buildings did not have their own.

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In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:22:04 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:35:45 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:59 +1100, Bruce >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> IME, any vegetarian recipes that try to emulate meat range from being
> >> >> not very nice to outright awful. The best vegetarian recipes don't
> >> >> bother to even try to pretend to be meat.
> >> >
> >> >Mock duck replaces meat and I really like it. I don't mind what it
> >> >replaces as long as it tastes that good. I'd eat it on a stick as an ice
> >> >cream replacement.
> >>
> >> LOL, duck ice cream.
> >>
> >> Ingredients suggest it's nasty, from wikipedia:
> >> "Mock duck is a gluten-based vegetarian food. It is made of wheat
> >> gluten, oil, sugar, soy sauce, and salt. It is thus high in protein.
> >> Its distinctive flavor and artificial "plucked duck" texture
> >> distinguish it from other forms of commercially available gluten
> >> products"
> >
> >> Regardless, I'd try it out of sheer curiosity. Duck is one of my very
> >> favourite meats, not that I would expect mock duck to be actually
> >> duck-like.
> >
> >That's not a bad ingredient list. I think there's also some ancient
> >Chinese wizardry involved in the production. Whether you'd like the
> >flavour is another matter.
>
> I'll keep an eye out for it. We have a pretty good Asian foods store
> in Launceston, that might be a good place to start looking for it.

Yes, Asian stores would be your best chance. I don't know how the canned
version compares to the frozen one, which is what we always buy.

Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/10/2016 3:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:49 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote:
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > > Agreed and i hope at this time, people put their animosity
> > > > aside, and just recall we have 2 known regular posters out of
> > > > contact. While I am sure both are ok, Jill and Gary are apt to
> > > > be without power.
> > > snip
> > >
> > > why are you stirring? At this time I see no animosity except for
> > > you picking at it.
> > > Janet US
> >
> > You are replying with truncation to this:
> >
> > Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 10/10/2016 10:00 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 23:32:11 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I don't see her house in those photos, I was thinking of
> > > > > publishing the site for those of us who have been worried for
> > > > > days now. I don't see a sign of the flooding I feared. I
> > > > > don't want to be too quickly optimistic, but cautiously I
> > > > > wait a note or a phone call.
> > >
> > > > She doesn't have a cell phone, just a land line with a cordless
> > > > phone so with no power she probably can't use her cordless very
> > > > long before the battery in the handset dies. With power out
> > > > over a wide area there'd be no land line service anyway. Of
> > > > course you could always try phoning her.
> > >
> > > I don't mean to imply that I expect her to call momentarily, just
> > > that I will not be totally relieved until I hear from her how it
> > > went.
> > >
> > > nancy
> >
> > Agreed and i hope at this time, people put their animosity aside,
> > and just recall we have 2 known regular posters out of contact.
> > While I am sure both are ok, Jill and Gary are apt to be without
> > power.
> >
> > Jill may or may not have evacuated (not clear) and Gary was not
> > called to evacuate because it was too late in Virginia Beach to
> > know some should, before you couldnt get out. The call here was 'if
> > you can get to high ground, do so or stay home and be careful'.
> >
> > I don't have Gary's exact address (nor should I) or phone number
> > (nor should I) but his general area has up to 50,000 with no power
> > still. Last check, we are at just under 200,000 without power
> > still. His area, hard hit.
> >
> > --- No stirring, others were making comments
> >
>
> I'm confused. Was the animosity comment in reaction to something
> I said? I haven't seen anything but concern for how Jill fared.
>
> Now I'll be thinking of Gary, too. I don't know why I thought he'd
> posted since Matthew.
>
> nancy

Gary as we see now, is ok. He lives higher than most in his area being
above well due a basement. (10ft up)

The animosity, was everyone *forgot* Gary was in just as much trouble
but before we could tell how bad it was, it was too late even if he
wanted to leave. Jill had options, he didnt.

To have that trimmed out when I mentioned it, upset me. He's now
posted and is ok.

Damage on Dataw was not light, but we had far worse here with houses
completely destroyed and Interstates with 10FEET of water depth in
places. Roads and houses subsumbed to sink holes.

I will admit, Dominion power has been outstanding at getting folks back
on the power grid. It's frustrating to those not back yet, but they
got nearly 1/2 the population back on within 2 days (worst was the high
winds, worst outage levels were Monday morning, 720,000 in VB and half
out, now just 19,000 out).

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Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> cshenk wrote:
> >
>
> > Dunno how long Dataw will take. I wish Jill well. I wish Gary
> > well as well.
> >
>
> I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more boring
> than living without electricity for an extended period. sheez!
> Hopefully boredom is her only problem.
>
> Anyway, I'm back and fine. No electricity was no fun. No personal
> damage for me though it is a mess everywhere around the beach. With
> that storm turning way before it got here, I didn't see all this mess
> coming. Oh well.
>
> :-D

Yup! Jill proabably is bored silly but she may have last second
evacuated. You would not have had a warning as it was too fast. Damn
the local weather casters. They always under evaluate. wxrisk was
waring us 2 days earlier and even he was horrified at the later winds
that took out that much power here.

I am really impressed that Dominion power got so many back on line that
fast since conditions mostly didn't allow them to do much until Monday
around noon.

Kudos to them!

Carol

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Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/11/2016 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10/10/2016 5:47 PM, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'll bet Jill wishes she had a generator. Nothing much more
> > > > boring than living without electricity for an extended period.
> > > > sheez! Hopefully boredom is her only problem.
> > >
> > > Hey! You're back. I'm glad it was only a short time with no
> > > power and sounds like you weren't flooded out.
> >
> > Lots of mess here but my only problem was loss of electricity then
> > more time without cable tv.
>
> After Sandy, we were without power for 11 days. Our neighbor's tree
> had fallen on our wires but they weren't pulled down (the power
> outage was counties wide), our Verizon cable wire was left hanging
> looow. All these tree service trucks going back and forth, I was
> thinking if our power comes back up but our cable is out for another
> two weeks because the cable is pulled down, I might just lose it.
>
> We saw a Verizon truck outside and Ron ran out and gave the guy
> 20 if he'd tighten up our cable wire. No truck that comes down
> our street's going to hit it now, it was higher than the
> electric wires.
>
> nancy

Floyd had me out for 17 days. Wasnt fun.

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On 10/11/2016 6:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>> I'm confused. Was the animosity comment in reaction to something
>> I said? I haven't seen anything but concern for how Jill fared.
>>
>> Now I'll be thinking of Gary, too. I don't know why I thought he'd
>> posted since Matthew.

> Gary as we see now, is ok. He lives higher than most in his area being
> above well due a basement. (10ft up)
>
> The animosity, was everyone *forgot* Gary was in just as much trouble
> but before we could tell how bad it was, it was too late even if he
> wanted to leave. Jill had options, he didnt.

I didn't know Gary was in trouble, from what I saw I thought the
area was okay. Regardless, it was never a Jill vs Gary thing.
No one besides Jill wondered if I was alive or dead after my state was
slammed by Sandy, that's the way it is. I'm sure Gary wasn't upset we
didn't know he was in a badly hit area.

nancy

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On 10/10/2016 5:47 PM, Gary wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm back and fine. No electricity was no fun. No personal
> > > damage for me though it is a mess everywhere around the beach.
> > > With that storm turning way before it got here, I didn't see all
> > > this mess coming. Oh well.
> > >
> > > :-D
> > >
> >
> > You spoiled all the fun of speculation. Had you waited a couple of
> > days to return the denizens of RFC would have had you washed out to
> > sea or hanging in a tree waiting for the flood to recede.
> >
> > Glad you had no loss though.
>
> Thanks Ed. Funny what you said above.
>
> As of this morning, still over half of my neighborhood was without
> power. Then at 9am, I went to the drugstore. On the way home, I
> stopped at my 2nd choice grocery store. They are still closed with no
> power. wth?

Grin, happens. Here's the fun, the areas most prone to flooding tend
to not have any stores. Bet the dollr store on Rosemont (n PLaza?) has
some great sales where the paper on the cans was damaged!

I couldn't slosh that way per the news, until late Monday.

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Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2016-10-10 5:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Nothing you said Nancy. Others truncated all comments on how Gary
> > is also missing. I objected and some got mad because I objected to
> > removing him from the posts on folks we should be worried about.
> >
> > Tracking, 50% of my city has power again. Gary probably is not one
> > of the lucky ones. Jill probably isnt either (though well south of
> > me). Last track at noon, where I think Gary lives, might be as
> > high as 1 in 5 roads you cant get out from other than foot.
> >
> > Happened to me in 1999 or so. We neighbors gutted a tree across the
> > road to get out. The city later got mad as the crew was supposed to
> > remove the wood. We told them 'what crew'. The crew never arrived
> > so we had cut ourselves out 3 days later. It was 5 days before
> > they got to us. Another week before we got power.
> >
> > Dunno how long Dataw will take. I wish Jill well. I wish Gary
> > well as well.
>
> I wish her well too. I hate to see anyone in such a difficult
> situation. That being said, I imagine when there are extreme
> circumstances, the authorities have to establish a set of priorities.
> She lives in a small community on an island and I suspect that
> efforts will be made to benefit the largest numbers of people before
> they get to the smaller and more remote neighbourhoods.

You are correct. They won't ignore Dataw, but an area of say 25,000
residents wil take priority over one of 3,000. Sadly, that is how it
is.

I am pretty sure she is just waiting for power.

I hope it's not too much of a trial there.

Carol

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Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/11/2016 6:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > > I'm confused. Was the animosity comment in reaction to something
> > > I said? I haven't seen anything but concern for how Jill fared.
> > >
> > > Now I'll be thinking of Gary, too. I don't know why I thought
> > > he'd posted since Matthew.
>
> > Gary as we see now, is ok. He lives higher than most in his area
> > being above well due a basement. (10ft up)
> >
> > The animosity, was everyone forgot Gary was in just as much trouble
> > but before we could tell how bad it was, it was too late even if he
> > wanted to leave. Jill had options, he didnt.
>
> I didn't know Gary was in trouble, from what I saw I thought the
> area was okay. Regardless, it was never a Jill vs Gary thing.
> No one besides Jill wondered if I was alive or dead after my state was
> slammed by Sandy, that's the way it is. I'm sure Gary wasn't upset we
> didn't know he was in a badly hit area.
>
> nancy

Hi Nancy, I didn't mind that folks were worried about Jill. I still am
but suspect she's just without power.

I minded that my alert was deleted for a regular here and trimmed to
just Jill. I dont give a rats ass if any like Gary, he was missing and
in a major damage area and it really bothers me that this was blown off
by many.

He's fine but his local grocery is still closed. Hopefully that gives
a cluebat on what happened here.

I have another local here (not on newsgroup) who has not checked in.
Last note was walking to the bar along Great Neck. *shudder*.

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