On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:

>Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
>Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
>from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
>in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
>over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
>store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
>storage. :-/

Of course it's fine. Just eat it.

Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
storage. :-/

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:

> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
> from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
> storage. :-/

Throw it out.
https://www.perdue.com/products/perd...roasted/54490/


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On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
>> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
>>from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
>> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
>> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
>> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
>> storage. :-/
>
> Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
>

The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
Vac sealed it is probably OK.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
> >> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
> >>from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
> >> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
> >> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
> >> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
> >> storage. :-/
> >
> > Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
> >
>
> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
> Vac sealed it is probably OK.

The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".


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On 10/16/2016 12:54 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
>>>> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
>>> >from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
>>>> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
>>>> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
>>>> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
>>>> storage. :-/
>>>
>>> Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
>>>
>>
>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>> Vac sealed it is probably OK.
>
> The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".
>
>

Are you supposed to eat it in the refrigerator?

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> On 10/16/2016 12:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".
> >
> Are you supposed to eat it in the refrigerator?

Don't be silly. You just wait until fall/winter when the temp is below
40f.

On 10/16/2016 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
>>>> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
>>> >from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
>>>> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
>>>> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
>>>> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
>>>> storage. :-/
>>>
>>> Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
>>>
>>
>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>> Vac sealed it is probably OK.
>
> The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".
>
>
Everything says "keep refrigerated", written by lawyers. Many items in
the fridge don't have to be there.

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 10:22:28 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/16/2016 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
> >>>> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
> >>> >from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
> >>>> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
> >>>> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
> >>>> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
> >>>> storage. :-/
> >>>
> >>> Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
> >> Vac sealed it is probably OK.
> >
> > The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".
> >
> >
> Everything says "keep refrigerated", written by lawyers. Many items in
> the fridge don't have to be there.

THIS is true enough!!

John Kuthe...

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 7:04:33 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> > On 10/16/2016 12:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > > The Perdue website clearly says "keep refrigerated".
> > >
> > Are you supposed to eat it in the refrigerator?
>
> Don't be silly. You just wait until fall/winter when the temp is below
> 40f.

I LOVE it when it's consistently cold out! I have a really huge refrigerator just off my kitchen, a non-climate controlled screen room just off my kitchen!!

John Kuthe...

On 10/16/2016 11:22 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
> Everything says "keep refrigerated", written by lawyers. Many items in
> the fridge don't have to be there.

Absolutely! Butter is a good example. Labels on most brands of butter
say "keep refrigerated". We all know it doesn't need to be. Kept cool
is preferable, though.

Jill

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/15/2016 6:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:54:23 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Left food on the counter after unpacking the groceries. Ibought a package of
>>> Perdue all ready cooked chicken packed in a vacuum bag. I left it on the counter
>>>from the afternoon until late night when I saw it and put it in the fridge, just
>>> in case I could use it again. I know that in the store, they're hanging on hooks
>>> over the rest of the meat, so it doesn't appear they're well refrigerated in the
>>> store. Is it safe to use? Again, thanks. Yeah, I know. I have problems with food
>>> storage. :-/
>>
>> Of course it's fine. Just eat it.
>>
>
>The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.

I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
stupid people from themselves, I guess.

>Vac sealed it is probably OK.

The vac pack certainly helps.

On 10/16/2016 9:22 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>
> I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
> stupid people from themselves, I guess.
>
4 hours at warm temperatures versus 6 or more at cooler temps? The safe
time warnings I've seen never seem to mention the ambient temperature.
It _does_ make a difference.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:58:20 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 10/16/2016 9:22 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>>
>> I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
>> stupid people from themselves, I guess.
>>
>4 hours at warm temperatures versus 6 or more at cooler temps? The safe
>time warnings I've seen never seem to mention the ambient temperature.
>It _does_ make a difference.

Temperature certainly make a very big difference. My comment was more
to do with people's common sense (or lack of it).

It is not unusual for me to hang a sheep in the shed for up to 5 days
if the temps stay below say, 8°C .

On 2016-10-16 4:22 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>
> I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
> stupid people from themselves, I guess.

I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I assume that they guidelines are to protect
consumers from commercial operations. I am very much in favour or public
health rules. I once caught a bad case of food poisoning that had be
vomitting almost non stop for 5 hours and then sleeping for a day and a
half. Throughout my I have had my share of illnesses and perhaps more
than my share of injuries. That food poisoning incident is right at the
top of the list of things I do not want to ever go through again.

>
>> Vac sealed it is probably OK.
>
> The vac pack certainly helps.
>

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:27:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-10-16 4:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
>>
>> I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
>> stupid people from themselves, I guess.
>
>I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I assume that they guidelines are to protect
>consumers from commercial operations. I am very much in favour or public
>health rules. I once caught a bad case of food poisoning that had be
>vomitting almost non stop for 5 hours and then sleeping for a day and a
>half. Throughout my I have had my share of illnesses and perhaps more
>than my share of injuries. That food poisoning incident is right at the
>top of the list of things I do not want to ever go through again.

I'd expect higher standards from a commercial operation too, I was
just talking about being at home with something in that situation.
I've been really lucky, no food poisoning that I can recall. Had
giardia once though... now that was no fun at all.

On 2016-10-16 5:31 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:27:18 -0400, Dave Smith

>> I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I assume that they guidelines are to protect
>> consumers from commercial operations. I am very much in favour or public
>> health rules. I once caught a bad case of food poisoning that had be
>> vomitting almost non stop for 5 hours and then sleeping for a day and a
>> half. Throughout my I have had my share of illnesses and perhaps more
>> than my share of injuries. That food poisoning incident is right at the
>> top of the list of things I do not want to ever go through again.
>
> I'd expect higher standards from a commercial operation too, I was
> just talking about being at home with something in that situation.
> I've been really lucky, no food poisoning that I can recall. Had
> giardia once though... now that was no fun at all.
>


My son had that once. He was in a lot of pain. He had a pet rat that got
sick and died, and then he got sick. I took him to the ER where he was
tested, diagnosed and treated. A couple days later I got a call from the
public health department.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:44:29 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-10-16 5:31 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:27:18 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I assume that they guidelines are to protect
>>> consumers from commercial operations. I am very much in favour or public
>>> health rules. I once caught a bad case of food poisoning that had be
>>> vomitting almost non stop for 5 hours and then sleeping for a day and a
>>> half. Throughout my I have had my share of illnesses and perhaps more
>>> than my share of injuries. That food poisoning incident is right at the
>>> top of the list of things I do not want to ever go through again.
>>
>> I'd expect higher standards from a commercial operation too, I was
>> just talking about being at home with something in that situation.
>> I've been really lucky, no food poisoning that I can recall. Had
>> giardia once though... now that was no fun at all.
>>
>
>
>My son had that once. He was in a lot of pain. He had a pet rat that got
>sick and died, and then he got sick. I took him to the ER where he was
>tested, diagnosed and treated. A couple days later I got a call from the
>public health department.


Apparently the symptoms range from none to extreme.
I got extreme... I lost 8KG in 72 hours. No idea where I picked it up,
giardia can survive for up to a month in grass, so it doesn't
necessarily have to come from a water source. At first I blamed the
potato and leek soup I made as I'd eaten one bowl and a couple of
hours later the stomach churning began... but that wasn't the problem.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:27:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-10-16 4:22 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:37:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >> The FDA rule is 4 hours, but I've often gone 6+ hours with no problems.
> >
> > I've gone much, much longer than that. But... you need rules to save
> > stupid people from themselves, I guess.
>
> I don't wear a tinfoil hat. I assume that they guidelines are to protect
> consumers from commercial operations. I am very much in favour or public
> health rules. I once caught a bad case of food poisoning that had be
> vomitting almost non stop for 5 hours and then sleeping for a day and a
> half. Throughout my I have had my share of illnesses and perhaps more
> than my share of injuries. That food poisoning incident is right at the
> top of the list of things I do not want to ever go through again.
>

Those who are scoffing can go right ahead and take their chances with
unrefrigerated meat, I'll keep mine refrigerated.


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On 10/17/2016 1:49 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>
> Those who are scoffing can go right ahead and take their chances with
> unrefrigerated meat, I'll keep mine refrigerated.
>
>

Haven't been sick yet, haven't tossed meat yet. I'm not changing my ways.

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:38:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 10/17/2016 1:49 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Those who are scoffing can go right ahead and take their chances with
> > unrefrigerated meat, I'll keep mine refrigerated.
> >
> >
>
> Haven't been sick yet, haven't tossed meat yet. I'm not changing my ways.

Dancing with wolves.


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