"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>> notbob wrote:
>>
>> > In the meantime, Ford, Chevy, Jeep/Chrysler (did I miss anyone?) have
>> > all been heavily sued for poor gas tank design. Ppl have died in
>> > flaming wrecks, ferchrysakes, caused by these unsafe gas tanks! Yet,
>> > the auto companies refuse to acknowledged such safety issues cuz govt
>> > wouldn't push it.
>>
>> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
>> design"?
>
> Just one is too many. How would you feel if it was one of your kids?

Unfortunately kids die every day, and I imagine nobody feels good about it
no matter the cause. Life happens.

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:40:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
> > In the meantime, Ford, Chevy, Jeep/Chrysler (did I miss anyone?) have
> > all been heavily sued for poor gas tank design. Ppl have died in
> > flaming wrecks, ferchrysakes, caused by these unsafe gas tanks! Yet,
> > the auto companies refuse to acknowledged such safety issues cuz govt
> > wouldn't push it.
>
> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
> design"?

Not many. People used to die a lot more from rollover crashes but people dying in a massive ball of fire caught the public's attention and imagination.. Electronic Stability Controls have reduced the deaths from rollovers. It's one of the greatest safety advancement in recent years.

On 2016-10-20 12:54 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
>> design"?
>
> You got internet access. Look it up!
>
> You can start with the Ford Pinto. Remember Ford pickups and their
> flaming tanks? I think about 150 ppl burned to death before Ford
> would even acknowledge the issue. Plastic gas tanks on Dodge vans,
> plastic tanks and poor location on Grand Cherokees..... the list goes
> on.
>
There was a time when tragic accidents were seen primarily as issues of
driver error. It was only later on that a litigious society started to
look at manufactures being liable for the outcome. The Pinto gas tank
was mounted behind the axle, exposing it to hazards if rammed from the
rear. The gas tank itself wasn't the cause of the accident, but damaged
tanks, leaking fuel and an ignition source let to nasty and fatal fires.

On 2016-10-20 12:55 PM, Gary wrote:
> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>> notbob wrote:
>>
>>> In the meantime, Ford, Chevy, Jeep/Chrysler (did I miss anyone?) have
>>> all been heavily sued for poor gas tank design. Ppl have died in
>>> flaming wrecks, ferchrysakes, caused by these unsafe gas tanks! Yet,
>>> the auto companies refuse to acknowledged such safety issues cuz govt
>>> wouldn't push it.
>>
>> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
>> design"?
>
> Just one is too many. How would you feel if it was one of your kids?
>


How many people went out and bought Pintos even after the fire hazard
was known? Ralph Nader wrote Unsafe at Any Speed in 1965, but the
Corvair was still being built and sold for almost four more years.

On 2016-10-20 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>> Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
>>> of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
>>> Praise the Lord!
>>
>> You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
>
> I don't preach. I just state the facts.

I am not so sure about that being fact. It may do away with law
enforcement against drivers, since there won't be drivers, but vehicle
owners are still liable for damages caused by their cars. There are lots
of computerized automotive components in vehicles these days, and many
of them fail at some point.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1 says...
> > >
> > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> >
> > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> > > >> flaming
> > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> > > >>
> >
> > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
> > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
> > > Praise the Lord!
> >
> > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
>
> I don't preach. I just state the facts.

In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
This would be cool! :-D

Cheri wrote:
>
> Unfortunately kids die every day, and I imagine nobody feels good about it
> no matter the cause. Life happens.

Yeah...life happens but it doesn't have to happen that way. I envision
no loving entity watching over us. We are on our own. If there *is* some
supreme being, I have absolutely no respect for it. "Loving," my ass.

Religious ppl can enjoy all their beliefs and twists on it. I call it
BS.

Sorry....TMI oh well I'm missing Mia today. I still have issues with
that one.

On 2016-10-20, Dave Smith > wrote:

> There was a time when tragic accidents were seen primarily as issues of
> driver error. It was only later on that a litigious society started to
> look at manufactures being liable for the outcome. The Pinto gas tank
> was mounted behind the axle, exposing it to hazards if rammed from the
> rear. The gas tank itself wasn't the cause of the accident, but damaged
> tanks, leaking fuel and an ignition source let to nasty and fatal fires.

So what? Gas tank engineering does NOT include location of the gas
tank?

"Let's locate it right in front of the radiator. These cars will
never see a head-on crash."

Sure pal.....

nb

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Camping trip in the Boy Scout days. We put a can of
> > pork & beans on the fire and stood back.
> >
> > Few minutes later the can exploded, shooting both ends out and the
> > rounded part stretched out to almost flat. There were beans stuck to all
> > of the nearby trees and tents. It was fun to do.
>
> Just stand out of the way of the blast! Like we did he

Nice blaze there, John. So what did YOU KIDS throw on that fire?

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> > > >
> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> > > > >> flaming
> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
> > > > Praise the Lord!
> > >
> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >
> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
>
> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> This would be cool! :-D

Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.

Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:26:52 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 12:54 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
> >
> >> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
> >> design"?
> >
> > You got internet access. Look it up!
> >
> > You can start with the Ford Pinto. Remember Ford pickups and their
> > flaming tanks? I think about 150 ppl burned to death before Ford
> > would even acknowledge the issue. Plastic gas tanks on Dodge vans,
> > plastic tanks and poor location on Grand Cherokees..... the list goes
> > on.
> >
> There was a time when tragic accidents were seen primarily as issues of
> driver error. It was only later on that a litigious society started to
> look at manufactures being liable for the outcome. The Pinto gas tank
> was mounted behind the axle, exposing it to hazards if rammed from the
> rear. The gas tank itself wasn't the cause of the accident, but damaged
> tanks, leaking fuel and an ignition source let to nasty and fatal fires.

Locating the fuel tank behind the rear axle was standard back in those days.. It's still a fairly common practice. Mostly the Pinto had a weak rear end.. I used to have a Ford Capri which was a re-bodied Pinto. Hoo boy that was a fun car. I can imagine that it would explode if rear-ended. It was quite the bomb.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:32:21 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>> Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
> >>> of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
> >>> Praise the Lord!
> >>
> >> You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >
> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
>
> I am not so sure about that being fact. It may do away with law
> enforcement against drivers, since there won't be drivers, but vehicle
> owners are still liable for damages caused by their cars. There are lots
> of computerized automotive components in vehicles these days, and many
> of them fail at some point.

You are right that computer systems fail. Hopefully the benefits of opening up transportation to people that cannot drive and the lives saved will make it worthwhile. I'm assuming that it will.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately kids die every day, and I imagine nobody feels good about
>> it
>> no matter the cause. Life happens.
>
> Yeah...life happens but it doesn't have to happen that way. I envision
> no loving entity watching over us. We are on our own. If there *is* some
> supreme being, I have absolutely no respect for it. "Loving," my ass.
>
> Religious ppl can enjoy all their beliefs and twists on it. I call it
> BS.
>
> Sorry....TMI oh well I'm missing Mia today. I still have issues with
> that one.

It doesn't have to happen any way, but it does. I don't care at all about
your religious beliefs BTW, and it's OK to miss Mia, I still miss my dog
Sophie some days.

Cheri

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
>> > > >
>> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
>> > > > >> flaming
>> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
>> > > > >>
>> > >
>> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
>> > > > thing
>> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
>> > > > carriers.
>> > > > Praise the Lord!
>> > >
>> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
>> >
>> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
>>
>> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
>> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
>> This would be cool! :-D
>
> Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
>
> Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:34:12 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> > > >
> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> > > > >> flaming
> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
> > > > Praise the Lord!
> > >
> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >
> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
>
> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> This would be cool! :-D

What I do is keep current and then connect the dots. You don't need to be mystical to see the future. You only have to be able to connect the dots i.e., see the connections between people, places, events, and things.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> >> > > > >> flaming
> >> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
> >> > > > thing
> >> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
> >> > > > carriers.
> >> > > > Praise the Lord!
> >> > >
> >> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >> >
> >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> >>
> >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> >> This would be cool! :-D
> >
> > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> >
> > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!
>
> Cheri

Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me. When the iPad came out, I predicted that it would change everything and that the OS of the future would be based on that of a cell phone. This looks like to be the case. I said that the advent of $200 Chromebooks would force Microsoft to give Windows away. We now have sub $200 Windows computers.

When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it was met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these technologies will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I don't mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> >> > > > >> flaming
> >> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
> >> > > > thing
> >> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
> >> > > > carriers.
> >> > > > Praise the Lord!
> >> > >
> >> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >> >
> >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> >>
> >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> >> This would be cool! :-D
> >
> > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> >
> > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!
>
> Cheri

Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me. When the
iPad came out, I predicted that it would change everything and that the OS
of the future would be based on that of a cell phone. This looks like to be
the case. I said that the advent of $200 Chromebooks would force Microsoft
to give Windows away. We now have sub $200 Windows computers.

When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it was
met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these technologies
will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully
shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I don't
mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.

========

I'm sure that a lot of things will be the norm in the future, doesn't mean I
was correct in my predictions, just means that some things are inevitable,
and anyone could predict them.

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:48:43 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > >> dsi1 wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> > >> > > > >> flaming
> > >> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
> > >> > > > thing
> > >> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
> > >> > > > carriers.
> > >> > > > Praise the Lord!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> > >>
> > >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> > >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> > >> This would be cool! :-D
> > >
> > > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> > > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> > >
> > > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> > > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me. When the
> iPad came out, I predicted that it would change everything and that the OS
> of the future would be based on that of a cell phone. This looks like to be
> the case. I said that the advent of $200 Chromebooks would force Microsoft
> to give Windows away. We now have sub $200 Windows computers.
>
> When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it was
> met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these technologies
> will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully
> shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I don't
> mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.
>
> ========
>
> I'm sure that a lot of things will be the norm in the future, doesn't mean I
> was correct in my predictions, just means that some things are inevitable,
> and anyone could predict them.
>
> Cheri

The only things that's inevitable is that we're all going to die and CA is going to have yet another earthquake. Anybody can make predictions. Most people cannot make reasoned predictions.

In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1 says...
> > >
> > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> >
> > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die ina
> > > >> flaming
> > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> > > >>
> >
> > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a thing
> > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common carriers.
> > > Praise the Lord!
> >
> > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
>
> I don't preach. I just state the facts.

Spoken like a true preacher. Praise the electric car!

In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > >> dsi1 wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> > >>
> > >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> > >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> > >> This would be cool! :-D
> > >
> > > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> > > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> > >
> > > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> > > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me.

Does that sound like a preacher or what?

I'm starting to wonder what dsi1 stands for...

On 2016-10-20 1:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:32:21 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I am not so sure about that being fact. It may do away with law
>> enforcement against drivers, since there won't be drivers, but vehicle
>> owners are still liable for damages caused by their cars. There are lots
>> of computerized automotive components in vehicles these days, and many
>> of them fail at some point.
>
> You are right that computer systems fail. Hopefully the benefits of opening up transportation to people that cannot drive and the lives saved will make it worthwhile. I'm assuming that it will.
>


There are a couple snags to think about. Self driving vehicles depend on
satellite and computer driven systems. They occasionally go down.
Imagine a scenario where whether by accident, natural disaster of
terrorist attack, the GPS systems were to suddenly do down. If the
entire transportation system used driverless vehicles, everything would
be down. If only 10% of the vehicles were driverless, they would die in
the middle of the road and cause massive gridlcok.

Then there is the fact that lots of some people love to drive,
especially people. When I was working I spent a lot of time behind the
wheel and that was great at first because I liked driving. I drove
enough that I eventually got tired of it. Once in a while we would go
into the city, parked at the in-laws and took public transit. At that
point in my life I was happy to be a passenger. I suppose there is a
remote possibility that it could be like the passing of the horse and
buggy era. Some people liked getting around that way, and some people
still ride horses, but most probably preferred skipping the hassle of
tacking, removing tack, grooming horses, cleaning up shit and the smell
of the beasts.

On 19 Oct 2016 16:58:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-10-19, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> choose what radio station to tune in (they kept fading
>> in and out as we drove west).
>
>That's cuz once you hit the Great Plains states, it's nothing but C&W
>music fer entire states. Apparently, yer parents were not major C&W
>fans.
>
>BTW, seat belts are not fer yer sake. All safety equipment on cars is
>driven by the insurance industry. Air bags, seat belts, etc. are
>mandatory so the insurance industry is assured govt is doing all it
>can to save the industry from having to actually pay out claims.

Really?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:48:43 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > >> dsi1 wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > >> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die
>> > >> > > > >> ina
>> > >> > > > >> flaming
>> > >> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
>> > >> > > > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
>> > >> > > > thing
>> > >> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
>> > >> > > > carriers.
>> > >> > > > Praise the Lord!
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
>> > >>
>> > >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
>> > >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
>> > >> This would be cool! :-D
>> > >
>> > > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
>> > > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
>> > >
>> > > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
>> > > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
>> > >
>> > > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> > Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday,
>> > duh!
>> >
>> > Cheri
>>
>> Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me. When
>> the
>> iPad came out, I predicted that it would change everything and that the
>> OS
>> of the future would be based on that of a cell phone. This looks like to
>> be
>> the case. I said that the advent of $200 Chromebooks would force
>> Microsoft
>> to give Windows away. We now have sub $200 Windows computers.
>>
>> When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it
>> was
>> met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these
>> technologies
>> will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully
>> shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I
>> don't
>> mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.
>>
>> ========
>>
>> I'm sure that a lot of things will be the norm in the future, doesn't
>> mean I
>> was correct in my predictions, just means that some things are
>> inevitable,
>> and anyone could predict them.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> The only things that's inevitable is that we're all going to die and CA is
> going to have yet another earthquake. Anybody can make predictions. Most
> people cannot make reasoned predictions.

========

I don't believe you can speak for "most people."

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, dsi1
> says...
> >
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > >> dsi1 wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> > > >>
> > > >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> > > >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> > > >> This would be cool! :-D
> > > >
> > > > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> > > > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> > > > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday, duh!
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me.
>
> Does that sound like a preacher or what?
>
> I'm starting to wonder what dsi1 stands for...

That's just me trying to be funny. Looks like a fail.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:42:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 1:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:32:21 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> I am not so sure about that being fact. It may do away with law
> >> enforcement against drivers, since there won't be drivers, but vehicle
> >> owners are still liable for damages caused by their cars. There are lots
> >> of computerized automotive components in vehicles these days, and many
> >> of them fail at some point.
> >
> > You are right that computer systems fail. Hopefully the benefits of opening up transportation to people that cannot drive and the lives saved will make it worthwhile. I'm assuming that it will.
> >
>
>
> There are a couple snags to think about. Self driving vehicles depend on
> satellite and computer driven systems. They occasionally go down.
> Imagine a scenario where whether by accident, natural disaster of
> terrorist attack, the GPS systems were to suddenly do down. If the
> entire transportation system used driverless vehicles, everything would
> be down. If only 10% of the vehicles were driverless, they would die in
> the middle of the road and cause massive gridlcok.
>
> Then there is the fact that lots of some people love to drive,
> especially people. When I was working I spent a lot of time behind the
> wheel and that was great at first because I liked driving. I drove
> enough that I eventually got tired of it. Once in a while we would go
> into the city, parked at the in-laws and took public transit. At that
> point in my life I was happy to be a passenger. I suppose there is a
> remote possibility that it could be like the passing of the horse and
> buggy era. Some people liked getting around that way, and some people
> still ride horses, but most probably preferred skipping the hassle of
> tacking, removing tack, grooming horses, cleaning up shit and the smell
> of the beasts.

The irony is that the people most resistant to this new technology are the very people that will benefit most from it. I've dealt with the elderly for decades and a major problem them is that they have to rely on other people for transportation. Most people seem to be unaware of this reality but it is in the forefront of my mind.

On 2016-10-20 4:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:42:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
> The irony is that the people most resistant to this new technology
> are the very people that will benefit most from it. I've dealt with
> the elderly for decades and a major problem them is that they have to
> rely on other people for transportation. Most people seem to be
> unaware of this reality but it is in the forefront of my mind.


Young people catch on to new technology quickly because they have a lot
of unused brain space. Old people tend to have a lot of knowledge and
are running out of space. In order to learn a new way to do things they
have to unlearn what they knew before.

My father was the ultimate handyman. He could do carpentry, plumbing,
wiring, repair radios and TVs, weld and auto mechanics. After he
retired he wore out his old electric typewriter and I made the mistake
of talking him into getting a computer and printer. The man who made a
career of setting up production facilities and automated equipment just
couldn't wrap his head around a PC and the software applications. Every
time he had to write a letter I would end up having to drive down to
help him open, edit, save and print files.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-10-20 4:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:42:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > The irony is that the people most resistant to this new technology
> > are the very people that will benefit most from it. I've dealt with
> > the elderly for decades and a major problem them is that they have to
> > rely on other people for transportation. Most people seem to be
> > unaware of this reality but it is in the forefront of my mind.
>
>
> Young people catch on to new technology quickly because they have a lot
> of unused brain space. Old people tend to have a lot of knowledge and
> are running out of space. In order to learn a new way to do things they
> have to unlearn what they knew before.

Ok, there must be an rfc contest going on that I wasn't aware of. Who
comes up with the biggest croc o' shit!

notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
>> design"?
>
> You got internet access. Look it up!
>
> You can start with the Ford Pinto. Remember Ford pickups and their
> flaming tanks? I think about 150 ppl burned to death before Ford
> would even acknowledge the issue. Plastic gas tanks on Dodge vans,
> plastic tanks and poor location on Grand Cherokees..... the list goes
> on.
>
> nb

150 people?

how many people die a year in crashes?

Gary wrote:
> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>> notbob wrote:
>>
>> > In the meantime, Ford, Chevy, Jeep/Chrysler (did I miss anyone?) have
>> > all been heavily sued for poor gas tank design. Ppl have died in
>> > flaming wrecks, ferchrysakes, caused by these unsafe gas tanks! Yet,
>> > the auto companies refuse to acknowledged such safety issues cuz govt
>> > wouldn't push it.
>>
>> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
>> design"?
>
> Just one is too many. How would you feel if it was one of your kids?

The unBob appears to be making an argument that exploding gas tanks
should be given equal attention as unrestrained people. I'm trying to
put things into perspective.

On Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:00:04 UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
> notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
> >
> >> how many people die every year in flaming wrecks due to "poor gas tank
> >> design"?
> >
> > You got internet access. Look it up!
> >
> > You can start with the Ford Pinto. Remember Ford pickups and their
> > flaming tanks? I think about 150 ppl burned to death before Ford
> > would even acknowledge the issue. Plastic gas tanks on Dodge vans,
> > plastic tanks and poor location on Grand Cherokees..... the list goes
> > on.
> >
> > nb
>
> 150 people?
>
> how many people die a year in crashes?


"150" is a mere bagatelle...in the world scheme of things...


--
Best
Greg

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:42:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 4:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:42:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > The irony is that the people most resistant to this new technology
> > are the very people that will benefit most from it. I've dealt with
> > the elderly for decades and a major problem them is that they have to
> > rely on other people for transportation. Most people seem to be
> > unaware of this reality but it is in the forefront of my mind.
>
>
> Young people catch on to new technology quickly because they have a lot
> of unused brain space. Old people tend to have a lot of knowledge and
> are running out of space. In order to learn a new way to do things they
> have to unlearn what they knew before.
>
> My father was the ultimate handyman. He could do carpentry, plumbing,
> wiring, repair radios and TVs, weld and auto mechanics. After he
> retired he wore out his old electric typewriter and I made the mistake
> of talking him into getting a computer and printer. The man who made a
> career of setting up production facilities and automated equipment just
> couldn't wrap his head around a PC and the software applications. Every
> time he had to write a letter I would end up having to drive down to
> help him open, edit, save and print files.

It's no country for old men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co5aKOGcHaw

On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:

> 150 people?
>
> how many people die a year in crashes?

Geez, I'm sorry! I didn't realize there was a mimimum death toll.

C'mon ppl! Hurry it up!! Turd requires more charcoal children b4 we can
revise a bad design.

nb

On 20 Oct 2016 21:22:26 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> 150 people?
>>
>> how many people die a year in crashes?
>
>Geez, I'm sorry! I didn't realize there was a mimimum death toll.
>
>C'mon ppl! Hurry it up!! Turd requires more charcoal children b4 we can
>revise a bad design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:48:43 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:34:12 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> > >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> > >> > > In article >, dsi1 says...
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > > On 10/19/2016 12:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > >> > > > > On 2016-10-19 12:58 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > >> Everybody wins! .....except you. You jes pay ....or die
> >> > >> > > > >> ina
> >> > >> > > > >> flaming
> >> > >> > > > >> wreck cuz yer gas tank was poorly engineered.
> >> > >> > > > >>
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > Self-driving cars will pretty much make automobile insurance a
> >> > >> > > > thing
> >> > >> > > > of the past or bring down the rates to the level of common
> >> > >> > > > carriers.
> >> > >> > > > Praise the Lord!
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > You'd make a good TV preacher for the self-driving car industry.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't preach. I just state the facts.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In all due respect, you seem to state more your predictions of the
> >> > >> future and not actual facts. Are you like a modern day Nostradamus?
> >> > >> This would be cool! :-D
> >> > >
> >> > > Nostradamus' predictions were so vague that you could ascribe
> >> > > a wide variety of incidents as fulfilling most of them.
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, any prediction has at least two parts: what will happen,
> >> > > and when? dsi1 often is Nostradamic on that aspect.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it would be like me predicting a big earthquake in Ca someday,
> >> > duh!
> >> >
> >> > Cheri
> >>
> >> Yoose guys should listen to me and place your complete faith in me. When
> >> the
> >> iPad came out, I predicted that it would change everything and that the
> >> OS
> >> of the future would be based on that of a cell phone. This looks like to
> >> be
> >> the case. I said that the advent of $200 Chromebooks would force
> >> Microsoft
> >> to give Windows away. We now have sub $200 Windows computers.
> >>
> >> When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it
> >> was
> >> met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these
> >> technologies
> >> will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully
> >> shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I
> >> don't
> >> mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.
> >>
> >> ========
> >>
> >> I'm sure that a lot of things will be the norm in the future, doesn't
> >> mean I
> >> was correct in my predictions, just means that some things are
> >> inevitable,
> >> and anyone could predict them.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > The only things that's inevitable is that we're all going to die and CA is
> > going to have yet another earthquake. Anybody can make predictions. Most
> > people cannot make reasoned predictions.
>
> ========
>
> I don't believe you can speak for "most people."
>
> Cheri

In this case, that's called an "observation." I'm not speaking for others.

OTOH, I am supposed to speak on the behalf of others but that's not something I have an inkling for. It is a position I accepted reluctantly but I will do the best I can.

notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-20, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> 150 people?
>>
>> how many people die a year in crashes?
>
> Geez, I'm sorry! I didn't realize there was a mimimum death toll.
>
> C'mon ppl! Hurry it up!! Turd requires more charcoal children b4 we can
> revise a bad design.
>
> nb

well I can see I'm up against some expert trolling here

well done

On 10/20/2016 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it was met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these technologies will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I don't mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.
>


I tend to agree with you. Tesla showed some video today and all their
cars will be equipped for self driving.
http://jalopnik.com/its-not-vehicula...-mu-1788028573

On 10/20/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
>
> How many people went out and bought Pintos even after the fire hazard
> was known? Ralph Nader wrote Unsafe at Any Speed in 1965, but the
> Corvair was still being built and sold for almost four more years.
>
IMO, Nader was an idiot. I had a '62 Corvair Monza. If the were still
made, I'd buy another. Fun car to drive, great in snow. Only thing I'd
want different today is AC. I didn't care back in 1963.

On 10/20/2016 3:55 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2016 16:58:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>> BTW, seat belts are not fer yer sake. All safety equipment on cars is
>> driven by the insurance industry. Air bags, seat belts, etc. are
>> mandatory so the insurance industry is assured govt is doing all it
>> can to save the industry from having to actually pay out claims.
>
> Really?
>

Sure, they just want to make a lot of money. If I get into an accident
I want to get injured enough to get my money's wroth for all those
premiums I paid over the years.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:33:02 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > When I said that electric cars and self-driving cars were the future, it was met with the usual ridicule on Usenet. The time frame for these technologies will be sooner than people think. You guys are gonna look awfully shortsighted by people reading this 20 years from now. This is why I don't mind the general scoffing that goes on here. It's simply adorable.
> >
>
>
> I tend to agree with you. Tesla showed some video today and all their
> cars will be equipped for self driving.
> http://jalopnik.com/its-not-vehicula...-mu-1788028573

We need folks like E. Musk to show us the wrong way to introduce this technology to the public. What's interesting about the Teslas is that it doesn't look like a test mule with a bunch of sensors sticking out of it. What this tells me is that they're taking shortcuts with the environmental sensors.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:48:56 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How many people went out and bought Pintos even after the fire hazard
> > was known? Ralph Nader wrote Unsafe at Any Speed in 1965, but the
> > Corvair was still being built and sold for almost four more years.
> >
> IMO, Nader was an idiot. I had a '62 Corvair Monza. If the were still
> made, I'd buy another. Fun car to drive, great in snow. Only thing I'd
> want different today is AC. I didn't care back in 1963.

It was quite the revolutionary product. The car was so popular that Ford created the Mustang to compete with it. The funny behavior of the swing axle was well documented on the Corvair and other cars. Mostly the Corvair was singled out because of it's success in the marketplace.