So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.

Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?



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On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap..
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in
> it. I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and
> soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?

I don't know, I have some really old teflon pans that still are non-stick, I
think mostly because I never used Pam or any other kind of release spray on
them, only dishrags or sponge to clean too, but some of the newer ones seem
to have more issues, especially the ones that say you can use regular
spatulas etc.

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> >
> > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
> I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.

You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
the way some factory thinks it should be done.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap..
> > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > >
> > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
>
> You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> the way some factory thinks it should be done.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People in the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and natural. They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as savages.

On 2016-10-20 2:33 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
>
My experience is that after a while, the non-stick surface wears off and
they are as bad or worse than regular pans. I have a Paderno frying pan
that had the best non stick surface I have ever used. You could fry and
egg in there and once it set a bit you could move it around by wobbling
the pan a bit. Now it sticks and is a pita to clean.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks
> > > in it.
> > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and
> > > soap.
> > >
> > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as
> > a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a
> > marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be
> > future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come
> > to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
>
> You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> the way some factory thinks it should be done.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People in
the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and natural.
They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as
savages.

========

But...it will be politically incorrect to call us savages, so they will have
to invent a new word, like Old World Americans or something palatable like
that. I don't think there's a "need" for the old folks to die off, since
dying off is one of those inevitable things that I predict with certainty
today, right here and now.

Cheri

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:06:48 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks
> > > > in it.
> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and
> > > > soap.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> > >
> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as
> > > a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a
> > > marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be
> > > future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come
> > > to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
> >
> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People in
> the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and natural.
> They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as
> savages.
>
> ========
>
> But...it will be politically incorrect to call us savages, so they will have
> to invent a new word, like Old World Americans or something palatable like
> that. I don't think there's a "need" for the old folks to die off, since
> dying off is one of those inevitable things that I predict with certainty
> today, right here and now.
>
> Cheri

My guess is "savages" will be appropriate in the future as it is now. But these are all predictions so take it as you like.

My point was not that people live forever and need to die, it is that human progress should not be stunted by folks that say things should remain as they are or live in the past. Don't take things so literally.

>TEL_PR32563_W10_2016_OCTTEL_PR32563_W10_2016_OCTO n Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:33:19 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

>So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
>finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
>Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
>perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
>I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>
>Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>

Cast iron and it lasts not just a lifetime, but generations

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:52:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
> > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in
> > it. I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and
> > soap.
> >
> > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
> I don't know, I have some really old teflon pans that still are non-stick, I
> think mostly because I never used Pam or any other kind of release spray on
> them, only dishrags or sponge to clean too, but some of the newer ones seem
> to have more issues, especially the ones that say you can use regular
> spatulas etc.
>
> Cheri

I have a very nice Teflon skillet, my big assed one, and with the exception of some small scratches made my a housemate;s ignorant friend who I caught using a metal fork in it it's Teflon surface is flawless! Years old, I use nothing metal in it, plastic only! Still very nonstick.

You probably have cheap Chinese JUNK!! Good for several uses only!

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap..
> > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > >
> > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
>
> You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> the way some factory thinks it should be done.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

He's just worshiping at the altar of new technology!

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:03:26 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software..
> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> > >
> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
> >
> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People in the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and natural. They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as savages.

Soylent Green is made of PEOPLE!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:45:02 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software..
> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> > >
> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
> >
> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> He's just worshiping at the altar of new technology!
>
> John Kuthe...

I don't worship anything or anybody. I think I can safely say that anybody that thinks a old Chrysler minivan is the bee's knees has no business commenting on technology or quality.

I speak for most of the civilized world sir!

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:03:26 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> > > >
> > > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
> > >
> > > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> > > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> > > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> > > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People in the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and natural. They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as savages.
>
> Soylent Green is made of PEOPLE!!
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE
>
> John Kuthe...

That's so phony baloney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ol2WJIoE0A

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:06:48 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep
>> > > > red
>> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not
>> > > > cheap.
>> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it
>> > > > was
>> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything
>> > > > sticks
>> > > > in it.
>> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge
>> > > > and
>> > > > soap.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ---
>> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
>> > > > software.
>> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> > >
>> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful
>> > > as
>> > > a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a
>> > > marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be
>> > > future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will
>> > > come
>> > > to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the
>> > > future.
>> >
>> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
>> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
>> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
>> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People
>> in
>> the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and
>> natural.
>> They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as
>> savages.
>>
>> ========
>>
>> But...it will be politically incorrect to call us savages, so they will
>> have
>> to invent a new word, like Old World Americans or something palatable
>> like
>> that. I don't think there's a "need" for the old folks to die off, since
>> dying off is one of those inevitable things that I predict with certainty
>> today, right here and now.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> My guess is "savages" will be appropriate in the future as it is now. But
> these are all predictions so take it as you like.
>
> My point was not that people live forever and need to die, it is that
> human progress should not be stunted by folks that say things should
> remain as they are or live in the past. Don't take things so literally.

Don't post things so literally and all encompassing then, and old folks
can't stunt anything since progress will always move forward, but they can
live anywhere they want with things they choose to surround themselves with,
deal with it. Savages is not appropriate now for groups of people, but then
neither is "old farts, geezers etc." but that doesn't stop people from using
those terms. It's the way of the world.

Cheri

On 10/20/2016 2:33 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>

My Woll pans are holding up well after a few years.

http://woll-cookware.com/en/
Available at Amazon

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:13:30 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsiyahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:06:48 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep
> >> > > > red
> >> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not
> >> > > > cheap.
> >> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything
> >> > > > sticks
> >> > > > in it.
> >> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > soap.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ---
> >> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
> >> > > > software.
> >> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >> > >
> >> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful
> >> > > as
> >> > > a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a
> >> > > marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be
> >> > > future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will
> >> > > come
> >> > > to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the
> >> > > future.
> >> >
> >> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> >> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> >> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> >> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place. People
> >> in
> >> the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and
> >> natural.
> >> They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as
> >> savages.
> >>
> >> ========
> >>
> >> But...it will be politically incorrect to call us savages, so they will
> >> have
> >> to invent a new word, like Old World Americans or something palatable
> >> like
> >> that. I don't think there's a "need" for the old folks to die off, since
> >> dying off is one of those inevitable things that I predict with certainty
> >> today, right here and now.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > My guess is "savages" will be appropriate in the future as it is now. But
> > these are all predictions so take it as you like.
> >
> > My point was not that people live forever and need to die, it is that
> > human progress should not be stunted by folks that say things should
> > remain as they are or live in the past. Don't take things so literally.
>
> Don't post things so literally and all encompassing then, and old folks
> can't stunt anything since progress will always move forward, but they can
> live anywhere they want with things they choose to surround themselves with,
> deal with it. Savages is not appropriate now for groups of people, but then
> neither is "old farts, geezers etc." but that doesn't stop people from using
> those terms. It's the way of the world.
>
> Cheri

You're taking this way too personal.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:13:30 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsiyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 10:06:48 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing,
>> >> > > > deep
>> >> > > > red
>> >> > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not
>> >> > > > cheap.
>> >> > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it
>> >> > > > was
>> >> > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything
>> >> > > > sticks
>> >> > > > in it.
>> >> > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge
>> >> > > > and
>> >> > > > soap.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays
>> >> > > > non-stick?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ---
>> >> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
>> >> > > > software.
>> >> > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as
>> >> > > wonderful
>> >> > > as
>> >> > > a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to
>> >> > > be
>> >> > > future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods
>> >> > > will
>> >> > > come
>> >> > > to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the
>> >> > > future.
>> >> >
>> >> > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
>> >> > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
>> >> > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
>> >> > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> We need the old folks to die off before the future can take place.
>> >> People
>> >> in
>> >> the future will think their synthesized foods perfectly normal and
>> >> natural.
>> >> They will abhor some of the practices of our era. We shall be seen as
>> >> savages.
>> >>
>> >> ========
>> >>
>> >> But...it will be politically incorrect to call us savages, so they
>> >> will
>> >> have
>> >> to invent a new word, like Old World Americans or something palatable
>> >> like
>> >> that. I don't think there's a "need" for the old folks to die off,
>> >> since
>> >> dying off is one of those inevitable things that I predict with
>> >> certainty
>> >> today, right here and now.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > My guess is "savages" will be appropriate in the future as it is now.
>> > But
>> > these are all predictions so take it as you like.
>> >
>> > My point was not that people live forever and need to die, it is that
>> > human progress should not be stunted by folks that say things should
>> > remain as they are or live in the past. Don't take things so literally.
>>
>> Don't post things so literally and all encompassing then, and old folks
>> can't stunt anything since progress will always move forward, but they
>> can
>> live anywhere they want with things they choose to surround themselves
>> with,
>> deal with it. Savages is not appropriate now for groups of people, but
>> then
>> neither is "old farts, geezers etc." but that doesn't stop people from
>> using
>> those terms. It's the way of the world.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> You're taking this way too personal.

No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars they
wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a kick out of
your predictions, which no doubt will come true.

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news
On 10/20/2016 2:33 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in
> it.
> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>

My Woll pans are holding up well after a few years.

http://woll-cookware.com/en/
Available at Amazon

===========================

I second that! Wonderful pans!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?

Everything is transitory. Entropy wins in the end.

Still, I like these nonstick pans:

<https://www.amazon.com/Vollrath-Z4008-Wear-Ever-Non-Stick-CeramiGuard/dp/B003ZTPF7G>

I put 'em in the dishwasher and everything. I always add fat when I
cook in them, because I like the flavor of it. If you're trying to
use them without any lubrication, you probably won't like any
nonstick skillet that's more than a month old.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 14:23:46 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:33:19 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
> My non stick pans such as Tramontina and Bialetti stay non-stick for
> 6-7+ years and gets LOTS of use. Use them on high heat without much
> of a heatsink in them and you'll be sorry. That's how I blew up a
> couple of them.
>
That's how my husband kills nonstick pans. I have told him that he
should use the cast iron if he wants to treat them like cast iron, but
it fell on deaf ears.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 10/20/2016 11:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> You're taking this way too personal.
>
> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>
> Cheri

Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
took to happen, though.

Jill

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 5:01:00 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 11:45:02 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:53:32 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:33:23 AM UTC-10, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > > So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> > > > > finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> > > > > Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> > > > > perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> > > > > I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> > > >
> > > > I have not seen such a pan but there ain't nothing quite as wonderful as a new non-stick pan. It appears that those ceramic pans are mostly a marketing scheme. I think it might be possible but that's going to be future technology. OTOH, my guess is that our 3D printed foods will come to us fully cooked and there won't be a need for fry pans in the future.
> > >
> > > You make me glad to contemplate the fact that I probably will
> > > die before that technology sees fruition. I want to eat real
> > > food that's cooked the way I like it, not fake food "cooked"
> > > the way some factory thinks it should be done.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > He's just worshiping at the altar of new technology!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> I don't worship anything or anybody. I think I can safely say that anybody that thinks a old Chrysler minivan is the bee's knees has no business commenting on technology or quality.
>
> I speak for most of the civilized world sir!

I can sleep in it, load boats up top, am putting in a cool Alpine sound system, and I can haul a lot of stuff in it! Does everything I need my vehicle to do!

John Kuthe...

On 10/21/2016 11:15 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 11:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> You're taking this way too personal.
>>
>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
> guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
> took to happen, though.
>
> Jill

It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.

I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.

On 10/21/2016 12:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/21/2016 11:15 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/20/2016 11:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> You're taking this way too personal.
>>>
>>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
>>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
>>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
>>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
>> guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
>> took to happen, though.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
> driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.
>
> I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.
>
I certainly don't expect everyone to own a self-driving car in the next
ten or even 20 years. Then again, I am not the type who runs out and
buys a new car every couple of years.

Jill

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:23:27 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 2:33 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> >
>
> My Woll pans are holding up well after a few years.
>
> http://woll-cookware.com/en/
> Available at Amazon

What do you know, a useful post!
Gads, that website though, awful.
Ed, I still haven't thanked you enough for
your grilling advice all those years ago.
Thanks again.

D

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 6:52:05 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/21/2016 11:15 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 10/20/2016 11:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> You're taking this way too personal.
> >>
> >> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
> >> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
> >> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
> >> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
> > guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
> > took to happen, though.
> >
> > Jill
>
> It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
> driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.
>
> I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.

They didn't have the technology to be able to do this back in 64. They do now. They also didn't have every major car company in the US and Europe working on getting this product out. It is as if there is a self-driving car competition going on. I can't say I know why this is happening.

Google might have lit the spark that started this blaze of activity. Heck, even Apple wants to put out an Apple branded self-driving car. Ford says it will have fleet sales of self-driving cars in 2021. My guess is that other car companies are not as conservative and won't be waiting that long.

Of course, nobody can predict the future. You could be right - we won't be seeing these car for a long time. We all have our best guesses.

https://www.2025ad.com/in-the-news/n...ar-prediction/

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:15:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/20/2016 11:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> You're taking this way too personal.
>>
>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
>guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
>took to happen, though.
>
>Jill

Dick Tracy had video wrist watch phones in the '40s.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>Cheri wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're taking this way too personal.
>>>
>>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
>>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
>>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
>>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>>
>> Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
>> guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
>> took to happen, though.
>
>It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
>driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.
>
>I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.

There were video phones on a TV show in 1949, one of my favorites, I
don't think I ever missed an episode and I sent for all their offers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captai..._Video_Rangers

jmcquown wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>Cheri wrote:
>>>>dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You're taking this way too personal.
>>>>
>>>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
>>>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
>>>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
>>>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
>>> guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
>>> took to happen, though.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
>> driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.
>>
>> I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.
>>
>I certainly don't expect everyone to own a self-driving car in the next
>ten or even 20 years. Then again, I am not the type who runs out and
>buys a new car every couple of years.

Don't blame you, late model cars wih all their onboard computer
moduals go obsolete within less than five years, going through that
now with the 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser, seems it's programmed for all its
senders to go obsolete at 100,000 miles, there are eight of them that
need replacement at ~$400 each plus labor. Found out yesterday that
the gas cap wore out, so an idiot light comes on but doesent say what
for, mechanic put it on the computer and said the gas cap is kaput.
Last week a light came on the mechanic said because the spare tire was
low on air. It's expensive to maintain new vehicles, I'm glad I kept
my 1990 Landcruiser.
I recently learned that gasolene has been altered drastically over the
years. When I first bought my Landcruiser it said to use 87 octane,
but 87 octane is no longer the same, my mechanic suggested I use
premium, and he was right, the engine runs much better, has power like
when brand new, and my mileage increased by 3 miles per gallon. The
gasolene made from corn is crap. Turns out the two dollars more a
tankful more than pays back. My mechanic told me the cheaper gas will
majorly shorten the life of the vehicle and lead to a lot of expensive
repairs.

On 10/21/2016 2:11 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:23:27 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/20/2016 2:33 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>>>
>>
>> My Woll pans are holding up well after a few years.
>>
>> http://woll-cookware.com/en/
>> Available at Amazon
>
> What do you know, a useful post!
> Gads, that website though, awful.
> Ed, I still haven't thanked you enough for
> your grilling advice all those years ago.
> Thanks again.
>
> D
>

You're welcome. Glad I could help. They used to have a better web site
a couple of years ago when I was looking for pans.

Paul M. Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep
> red finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not
> cheap. Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it
> it was perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything
> sticks in it. I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just
> a sponge and soap.
>
> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Depending on what you make in it, cast iron well cured can't be beat.
You have to know how to clean it right and cure it first really well.



--

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>jmcquown wrote:
> >>>Cheri wrote:
> >>>>dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're taking this way too personal.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, I think you're the one who is doing that. Personally, I don't care
> >>>> whether people avail themselves of technology or not, what kind of cars
> >>>> they wish to drive, etc., but you do seem to care, and I am getting a
> >>>> kick out of your predictions, which no doubt will come true.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheri
> >>>
> >>> Well... Disneyland had video phones in Tommorrowland in the 1960's. I
> >>> guess the Disney engineers had Skype in mind. Look how long that
> >>> took to happen, though.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> It will take a long time for the majority of cars to become self
> >> driving, but like the video phone, they do exist now.
> >>
> >> I saw the video phones at the Worlds Fair in NYC about 1964.
> >>
> >I certainly don't expect everyone to own a self-driving car in the next
> >ten or even 20 years. Then again, I am not the type who runs out and
> >buys a new car every couple of years.
>
> Don't blame you, late model cars wih all their onboard computer
> moduals go obsolete within less than five years, going through that
> now with the 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser, seems it's programmed for all its
> senders to go obsolete at 100,000 miles, there are eight of them that
> need replacement at ~$400 each plus labor. Found out yesterday that
> the gas cap wore out, so an idiot light comes on but doesent say what
> for, mechanic put it on the computer and said the gas cap is kaput.
> Last week a light came on the mechanic said because the spare tire was
> low on air. It's expensive to maintain new vehicles, I'm glad I kept
> my 1990 Landcruiser.
> I recently learned that gasolene has been altered drastically over the
> years. When I first bought my Landcruiser it said to use 87 octane,
> but 87 octane is no longer the same, my mechanic suggested I use
> premium, and he was right, the engine runs much better, has power like
> when brand new, and my mileage increased by 3 miles per gallon. The
> gasolene made from corn is crap. Turns out the two dollars more a
> tankful more than pays back. My mechanic told me the cheaper gas will
> majorly shorten the life of the vehicle and lead to a lot of expensive
> repairs.

Most of the sensors are part of the emission control systems. Electric cars don't burn fuel so they don't need these sensors. All our troubles with the check engine light from the last 40 years will seem like a bad dream. Oh yeah.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:39:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
>> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
>> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
>> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
>> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
>>
>> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
>
>Everything is transitory. Entropy wins in the end.
>
>Still, I like these nonstick pans:
>
><https://www.amazon.com/Vollrath-Z4008-Wear-Ever-Non-Stick-CeramiGuard/dp/B003ZTPF7G>
>
>I put 'em in the dishwasher and everything. I always add fat when I
>cook in them, because I like the flavor of it. If you're trying to
>use them without any lubrication, you probably won't like any
>nonstick skillet that's more than a month old.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I've no use for so called coated non-stick pans... neither does anyone
else who knows how to cook... no professional cook uses coated non
stick pans. And no professional cook uses cast iron, every
professional kitchen uses quality stainless steel cookware, and
nothing sticks.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 20:24:20 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>I've no use for so called coated non-stick pans... neither does anyone
>else who knows how to cook... no professional cook uses coated non
>stick pans. And no professional cook uses cast iron, every
>professional kitchen uses quality stainless steel cookware, and
>nothing sticks.

Oh dear... you were going well until the 4th sentence.
Then you went all Sheldon on us.

On 10/21/2016 5:42 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 20:24:20 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> I've no use for so called coated non-stick pans... neither does anyone
>> else who knows how to cook... no professional cook uses coated non
>> stick pans. And no professional cook uses cast iron, every
>> professional kitchen uses quality stainless steel cookware, and
>> nothing sticks.
>
> Oh dear... you were going well until the 4th sentence.
> Then you went all Sheldon on us.
>

he blew it after his first sentence.

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 8:24:26 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:39:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >> So I bought this new Cuisnart ceramic skillet. Pretty thing, deep red
> >> finish on the outside and a brilliant white on the inside. Not cheap.
> >> Almost too nice to use. The first few times I cooked with it it was
> >> perfect, nothing stuck. Now, about a month later, everything sticks in it.
> >> I always used a sponge to clean it, no abrasives. Just a sponge and soap.
> >>
> >> Is there any such things as a non-stick pan that stays non-stick?
> >
> >Everything is transitory. Entropy wins in the end.
> >
> >Still, I like these nonstick pans:
> >
> ><https://www.amazon.com/Vollrath-Z4008-Wear-Ever-Non-Stick-CeramiGuard/dp/B003ZTPF7G>
> >
> >I put 'em in the dishwasher and everything. I always add fat when I
> >cook in them, because I like the flavor of it. If you're trying to
> >use them without any lubrication, you probably won't like any
> >nonstick skillet that's more than a month old.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I've no use for so called coated non-stick pans... neither does anyone
> else who knows how to cook... no professional cook uses coated non
> stick pans. And no professional cook uses cast iron, every
> professional kitchen uses quality stainless steel cookware, and
> nothing sticks.

How pleasant for you.

Cindy Hamilton