Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?

John

On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>

For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
$3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.

Whole milk here is about $3.50 a G, if not for price supports it may be $1 a G tho.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> >
>
> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.

Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> > >
> >
> > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
> > It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
> > and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
> > I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> > lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
> > costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
> > $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
>
> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.

Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
well received by consumers.

Cindy Hamilton

On 10/29/2016 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
>>>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
>>>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
>>> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
>>> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
>>> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
>>> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
>>> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
>>> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
>>
>> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
>
> Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
> In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
> well received by consumers.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start talking
equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my area hasn't gone
up drastically.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>

> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start talking
> equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my area hasn't gone
> up drastically.

Milk in bags is common in Canada, not the USA. Often sold as bagged
Homo, for some reason. lol

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 10/29/2016 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> >>>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> >>>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
> >>> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
> >>> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
> >>> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> >>> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
> >>> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
> >>> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
> >>
> >> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
> >
> > Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
> > In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
> > well received by consumers.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start talking
> equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my area hasn't gone
> up drastically.

Seems to me they tried it out about 40 years ago. I recall seeing
the bags, and some sort of frame into which you could put the bags
for more convenient pouring.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 5:47:11 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > > > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> > > >
> > >
> > > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
> > > It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
> > > and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
> > > I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> > > lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
> > > costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
> > > $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
> >
> > Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
>
> Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
> In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
> well received by consumers.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

That was one of the things that made an impression on me when we moved to the mainland in the 70's - cheap milk.

American is not ready for milk in bags/pyramids or self-driving electric cars although my guess is that we'll see self-driving cars sooner than bagged milk.

On 2016-10-29, Yes > wrote:

> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?

Price fixing?

Milk is the single most profitable entity on the supermarketer's
shelf. They live/die by the price of milk. Times are hard? Milk
prices climb. Times are good? Most prices do NOT drop. You do the
math.

nb

On 2016-10-29, jmcquown > wrote:

> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags.

Recall those big ol' milk dispensers in restos/cafes/coffee houses?
Big SS cabinet with big round bulbus looking handles on the spouts?

Those "big round bulbouse handles" were chrome weights that pinched
the plastic spout closed on huge boxes of milk! The boxes actually
had milk, in plastic bags, within carboard boxes to make handling
easier. Bottom line? Milk in bags! Kinda like wine ina box.

nb

On 10/29/2016 12:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 10/29/2016 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
>>>>>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
>>>>>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
>>>>> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
>>>>> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
>>>>> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
>>>>> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
>>>>> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
>>>>> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
>>>>
>>>> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
>>>
>>> Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
>>> In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
>>> well received by consumers.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start talking
>> equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my area hasn't gone
>> up drastically.
>
> Seems to me they tried it out about 40 years ago. I recall seeing
> the bags, and some sort of frame into which you could put the bags
> for more convenient pouring.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Forty years ago. Just how much room would that frame use in the
refrigerator as opposed to a regular bottle or carton of milk? Any
other benefits to having milk in bags? Sorry, it's not something that
took off in the US (obviously).

Jill

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:30:06 AM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>
> John

The Chermans are at it again.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:52:07 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 10/29/2016 12:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >> On 10/29/2016 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> >>>>>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> >>>>>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
> >>>>> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
> >>>>> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
> >>>>> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> >>>>> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
> >>>>> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
> >>>>> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
> >>>>
> >>>> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
> >>>
> >>> Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
> >>> In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
> >>> well received by consumers.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start talking
> >> equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my area hasn't gone
> >> up drastically.
> >
> > Seems to me they tried it out about 40 years ago. I recall seeing
> > the bags, and some sort of frame into which you could put the bags
> > for more convenient pouring.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Forty years ago. Just how much room would that frame use in the
> refrigerator as opposed to a regular bottle or carton of milk? Any
> other benefits to having milk in bags? Sorry, it's not something that
> took off in the US (obviously).

If memory serves, the bags were half-gallon, and the frame was the
size of a cardboard half-gallon carton, plus a little for the handle.

There's a Wikipedia article, of course, about milk in plastic bags,
although a straight-up google for "milk in plastic bags" yields
several more amusing hits.

Cindy Hamilton

On 10/29/2016 12:39 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-29, Yes > wrote:
>
>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>
> Price fixing?
>
> Milk is the single most profitable entity on the supermarketer's
> shelf. They live/die by the price of milk. Times are hard? Milk
> prices climb. Times are good? Most prices do NOT drop. You do the
> math.
>
> nb
>
Really? I don't spend that much money on milk. And I do drink milk.

We don't know where the OP lives. I don't exactly live in dairy
country. (heh) I don't think I've ever seen cows in a field when
driving around the country roads of Saint Helena Island. LOL That means
the milk is being trucked in from somewhere else, refrigerated.

Milk prices certainly have not jumped 20% in the last two weeks. The OP
is exaggerating. Around here, milk and butter products have to be
shipped refrigerated from far flung places. The prices haven't gone up
significantly.

Jill

On 10/29/2016 12:47 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-10-29, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags.
>
> Recall those big ol' milk dispensers in restos/cafes/coffee houses?
> Big SS cabinet with big round bulbus looking handles on the spouts?
>
> Those "big round bulbouse handles" were chrome weights that pinched
> the plastic spout closed on huge boxes of milk! The boxes actually
> had milk, in plastic bags, within carboard boxes to make handling
> easier. Bottom line? Milk in bags! Kinda like wine ina box.
>
> nb
>
Sorry. I'm sure I've heard/read about them. I don't actually
*remember* them.

Jill

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 1:34:18 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 10/29/2016 12:47 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-10-29, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags.
> >
> > Recall those big ol' milk dispensers in restos/cafes/coffee houses?
> > Big SS cabinet with big round bulbus looking handles on the spouts?
> >
> > Those "big round bulbouse handles" were chrome weights that pinched
> > the plastic spout closed on huge boxes of milk! The boxes actually
> > had milk, in plastic bags, within carboard boxes to make handling
> > easier. Bottom line? Milk in bags! Kinda like wine ina box.
> >
> > nb
> >
> Sorry. I'm sure I've heard/read about them. I don't actually
> *remember* them.

Ah, well. I'll always be much older than you.

(I say the reverse to a co-worker, who's all of 6 months older than me.)

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-10-29 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> If memory serves, the bags were half-gallon, and the frame was the
> size of a cardboard half-gallon carton, plus a little for the handle.
>
> There's a Wikipedia article, of course, about milk in plastic bags,
> although a straight-up google for "milk in plastic bags" yields
> several more amusing hits.


Our milk bags are 1 1/3 liters each and sold in bags of 3 ... four
liters. Just about everyone has a plastic pitcher which the bag sits
in. Put the bag in the pitcher and snip the corner for pouring. The
pitcher does not take up much space in the fridge and the other two can
be laid on their sides or sit upright in a shelf rack.

It works out well for me because it usually takes at least two weeks for
me to go through the three bags, so the last one is still unexposed for
most of that time. I get the bulk price without having the entire
contents open and exposed, so it does not got sour.

It costs roughly 50% more to buy a 4 litre bag of milk than it costs
for a single litre. At current prices that means $2.80 for a single
litre or $1.10 per litre when buying it by the 4 litre bag.

On 10/29/2016 1:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-10-29 1:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> If memory serves, the bags were half-gallon, and the frame was the
>> size of a cardboard half-gallon carton, plus a little for the handle.
>>
>> There's a Wikipedia article, of course, about milk in plastic bags,
>> although a straight-up google for "milk in plastic bags" yields
>> several more amusing hits.
>
>
> Our milk bags are 1 1/3 liters each and sold in bags of 3 ... four
> liters. Just about everyone has a plastic pitcher which the bag sits
> in. Put the bag in the pitcher and snip the corner for pouring. The
> pitcher does not take up much space in the fridge and the other two can
> be laid on their sides or sit upright in a shelf rack.
>
> It works out well for me because it usually takes at least two weeks for
> me to go through the three bags, so the last one is still unexposed for
> most of that time. I get the bulk price without having the entire
> contents open and exposed, so it does not got sour.
>
> It costs roughly 50% more to buy a 4 litre bag of milk than it costs
> for a single litre. At current prices that means $2.80 for a single
> litre or $1.10 per litre when buying it by the 4 litre bag.
>
>
>
>
Milk used to come in 4 litre packs of 3 bags in Calgary but for many
years now it comes in 1 litre or 4 litre plastic bottles or the usual 1
and 2 litre tetra packs.
I used save some of the bags that were ideal for freezing food as they
were very heavy duty poly.
Graham

On 2016-10-29, jmcquown > wrote:

> Sorry. I'm sure I've heard/read about them. I don't actually
> *remember* them.

Zis jiggle yer memory?:

http://www.gilletteequipment.com/norris-milk-dispenser/

I think two five-gallon boxes (w/ bags inside) fit in this dispenser.

The handles are basically weights to pinch off the rubber bag spout:

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Norris-Milk-Dispenser-Handle-Dairy-Salvage-Chromed-Used-Restaurant-/252603226062?hash=item3ad05357ce:g:rTYAAOSwdzVXoXm 1>

I don't think they make these, anymore.

nb

On 2016-10-29 3:47 PM, graham wrote:

> Milk used to come in 4 litre packs of 3 bags in Calgary but for many
> years now it comes in 1 litre or 4 litre plastic bottles or the usual 1
> and 2 litre tetra packs.

The jug would not work for me because it takes me close to two weeks to
go through 4 litres of milk. Most milk will go sour that long after
opening. I would have trouble buying two litres when it is much cheaper
to buy the 4 litre bags.





> I used save some of the bags that were ideal for freezing food as they
> were very heavy duty poly.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 17:47:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-10-29 3:47 PM, graham wrote:
>
>> Milk used to come in 4 litre packs of 3 bags in Calgary but for many
>> years now it comes in 1 litre or 4 litre plastic bottles or the usual 1
>> and 2 litre tetra packs.
>
>The jug would not work for me because it takes me close to two weeks to
>go through 4 litres of milk. Most milk will go sour that long after
>opening. I would have trouble buying two litres when it is much cheaper
>to buy the 4 litre bags.

4 litres would generally last me about 3 weeks. Most of it used for my
daily double lattes in the morning. Apart from that, tea, porridge
and mashed spuds use the rest.

If I go through one of my hot chocolate phases, then all bets are off
in regards to how much I use.

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going
> > > on?
> > >
> >
> > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here
> > for. It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few
> > months ago and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back
> > in the spring. I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a
> > 4 liter bag of milk lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4
> > liters at a time because is costs so much less per liter. It is
> > currently about $2.80 per liter, $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and
> > $4.29 for four liters.
>
> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They
> cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or
> plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here.
> That's a little less then 4 liters.

They freeze it in the bags there. In Canada, a store can be quite a
distance outside the main areas and at some seasons not that easy to
get to. Hence they seems to all have chest freezers if they are a
goodly distance and freeze it in bags. I guess they have generators
and stuff too to handle it all?

--

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/29/2016 12:29 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown
> > wrote:
> > > On 10/29/2016 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave
> > > > > Smith wrote:
> > > > > > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > > > > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk
> > > > > > > jumped about twenty percent over the last two weeks.
> > > > > > > Anyone know what's going on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap
> > > > > > around here for. It seems that the milk producers raised
> > > > > > their prices a few months ago and we are now paying about
> > > > > > 5-6% more than we were back in the spring. I don't drink
> > > > > > milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
> > > > > > lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time
> > > > > > because is costs so much less per liter. It is currently
> > > > > > about $2.80 per liter, $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29
> > > > > > for four liters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk.
> > > > > They cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in
> > > > > cartons or plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost
> > > > > around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
> > > >
> > > > Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close
> > > > to 4 liters. In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in
> > > > years. ISTR it wasn't well received by consumers.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > I don't ever recall seeing milk in bags. (Queue Sheldon to start
> > > talking equating bags with breasts.) The price of milk in my
> > > area hasn't gone up drastically.
> >
> > Seems to me they tried it out about 40 years ago. I recall seeing
> > the bags, and some sort of frame into which you could put the bags
> > for more convenient pouring.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Forty years ago. Just how much room would that frame use in the
> refrigerator as opposed to a regular bottle or carton of milk? Any
> other benefits to having milk in bags? Sorry, it's not something
> that took off in the US (obviously).
>
> Jill

It's easier to freeze that way. The bag is then loaded to a container
in the fridge to defrost. It's probably popular in northern and
eastern Alaska.

--

Whole milk does much to prevent type 2 diabetes.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 17:59:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>Whole milk does much to prevent type 2 diabetes.

Apparently whole milk does nothing to help people understand basic
Usenet etiquette.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > > > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going
> > > > on?
> > > >
> > >
> > > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here
> > > for. It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few
> > > months ago and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back
> > > in the spring. I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a
> > > 4 liter bag of milk lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4
> > > liters at a time because is costs so much less per liter. It is
> > > currently about $2.80 per liter, $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and
> > > $4.29 for four liters.
> >
> > Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They
> > cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or
> > plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here.
> > That's a little less then 4 liters.
>
> They freeze it in the bags there. In Canada, a store can be quite a
> distance outside the main areas and at some seasons not that easy to
> get to. Hence they seems to all have chest freezers if they are a
> goodly distance and freeze it in bags. I guess they have generators
> and stuff too to handle it all?
>
> --

That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that we have to ship most of our milk in from the mainland - it's cheaper that way. I don't believe they freeze the product.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:22:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:


>That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that we have to ship most of our milk in from the mainland - it's cheaper that way. I don't believe they freeze the product.

Why the hell would they need to freeze it? Hawaii isn't on another
planet (even if you might be).

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 11:12:01 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
>>>> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
>>>> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around here for.
>>> It seems that the milk producers raised their prices a few months ago
>>> and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we were back in the spring.
>>> I don't drink milk and don't even use it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk
>>> lasts us about 2 weeks. I still buy it 4 liters at a time because is
>>> costs so much less per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter,
>>> $3.50 for a 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
>>
>> Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They cannot
>> understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or plastic jugs. A
>> gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
>
> Over here, I paid $2.99 for a gallon two days ago. Very close to 4 liters.
> In a plastic jug; I haven't seen bagged milk in years. ISTR it wasn't
> well received by consumers.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

The gas station/convenience store up the road here still sells bagged milk.
It's a Kwik Trip. My inlaws liked to buy it. I personally hate it.

--
jinx the minx

Doesn't Hawaii have dairy cows? I thought they did.

N.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 8:22:16 AM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
> Doesn't Hawaii have dairy cows? I thought they did.

Probably not enough to satisfy the demand for milk.

<http://www.kitv.com/story/30483785/special-report-hawaiis-dairy-farms-on-life-support>

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped
> > > > > about twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know
> > > > > what's going on?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around
> > > > here for. It seems that the milk producers raised their prices
> > > > a few months ago and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we
> > > > were back in the spring. I don't drink milk and don't even use
> > > > it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk lasts us about 2 weeks. I
> > > > still buy it 4 liters at a time because is costs so much less
> > > > per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter, $3.50 for a
> > > > 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
> > >
> > > Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They
> > > cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or
> > > plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over
> > > here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
> >
> > They freeze it in the bags there. In Canada, a store can be quite a
> > distance outside the main areas and at some seasons not that easy to
> > get to. Hence they seems to all have chest freezers if they are a
> > goodly distance and freeze it in bags. I guess they have generators
> > and stuff too to handle it all?
> >
> > --
>
> That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that we have to ship most of
> our milk in from the mainland - it's cheaper that way. I don't
> believe they freeze the product.

I don't know if your's is frozen in transit or not. I don't recall
Hawaii milk containers being different from the mainland but it's
probably 'containerized' after it gets there (cheaper shippage).

--

Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:22:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
> > That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that we have to ship most of
> > our milk in from the mainland - it's cheaper that way. I don't
> > believe they freeze the product.
>
> Why the hell would they need to freeze it? Hawaii isn't on another
> planet (even if you might be).

Shippage time but in this case, suspect it's going direct and pretty
fast so well chilled would be fine.

--

Nancy2 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Doesn't Hawaii have dairy cows? I thought they did.
>
> N.

I'm sure they have some, but it takes a fair amount of flat space which
is at a premium there.

--

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:30:06 AM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>
> John

Cows go climb up hills fine.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:30:06 AM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
>
> John

Cows can climb up hills fine.

On 2016-10-30 9:20 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Doesn't Hawaii have dairy cows? I thought they did.
>>
>> N.
>
> I'm sure they have some, but it takes a fair amount of flat space which
> is at a premium there.
>

I did a little research and it seems the Hawaii dairy business is in
pretty dire straits. A two year old news story said that the states last
privately owned dairy was in danger of closing down because the only
milk processor was dropping the price paid for milk because it can buy
it cheaper from California.

wrote:
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:30:06 AM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped about
> > twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know what's going on?
> >
> > John
>
> Cows can climb up hills fine.

Uphill both ways and bare hoof in the snow?

Here's an interesting fact in case some here don't know it. There used
to be a dairy farm here in Virginia Beach up until a few years ago.
Back then I talked to the guy that ran the dairy part. He told me that a
milk cow will yield approx. 5 gallons of milk per day.

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 3:18:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:20:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On 2016-10-29 12:29 AM, Yes wrote:
> > > > > > Went to the grocer and noticed that the price of milk jumped
> > > > > > about twenty percent over the last two weeks. Anyone know
> > > > > > what's going on?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For the last year or so milk has been relatively cheap around
> > > > > here for. It seems that the milk producers raised their prices
> > > > > a few months ago and we are now paying about 5-6% more than we
> > > > > were back in the spring. I don't drink milk and don't even use
> > > > > it much, so a 4 liter bag of milk lasts us about 2 weeks. I
> > > > > still buy it 4 liters at a time because is costs so much less
> > > > > per liter. It is currently about $2.80 per liter, $3.50 for a
> > > > > 2 liter carton and $4.29 for four liters.
> > > >
> > > > Americans think it's rather odd to be buying a bag of milk. They
> > > > cannot understand how that would work. We buy it in cartons or
> > > > plastic jugs. A gallon jug of milk would cost around $5.50 over
> > > > here. That's a little less then 4 liters.
> > >
> > > They freeze it in the bags there. In Canada, a store can be quite a
> > > distance outside the main areas and at some seasons not that easy to
> > > get to. Hence they seems to all have chest freezers if they are a
> > > goodly distance and freeze it in bags. I guess they have generators
> > > and stuff too to handle it all?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that we have to ship most of
> > our milk in from the mainland - it's cheaper that way. I don't
> > believe they freeze the product.
>
> I don't know if your's is frozen in transit or not. I don't recall
> Hawaii milk containers being different from the mainland but it's
> probably 'containerized' after it gets there (cheaper shippage).
>
> --

I think you're right about it being processed after it gets over here. All our gasoline gets processed from oil that's been shipped over here too. The gasoline seems to be getting substandard these days, I've noticed some light knocking on my VW under certain conditions with the premium gas. Not a good sign.