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On 11/15/2016 7:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now being groomed for the top job.

>>
>> Being a Clinton Chelsea is tainted merchandise, plus she has the
>> personality of a used teabag.

>
> Trump mode: Give me a couple glasses of wine and I'd do her.
>


Not while she's bleeding....
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Sheldon wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
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> >I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now being groomed for the top job.

>
> Being a Clinton Chelsea is tainted merchandise,



One of the joyous moments of my life was seeing that smug puss of Hillary's reduced to a wobbling and crying mess of cheap - o gelatin...she was too much of a coward even to come out on Election Night and concede. Good riddance, witch...!!!



plus she has the
> personality of a used teabag.



She's so reticent because she's embarrassed as hell by her parents...


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On 11/15/2016 11:44 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now being groomed for the top job.

>>
>> Being a Clinton Chelsea is tainted merchandise,

>
>
> One of the joyous moments of my life was seeing that smug puss of Hillary's reduced to a wobbling and crying mess of cheap - o gelatin...she was too much of a coward even to come out on Election Night and concede. Good riddance, witch...!!!
>
>
>
> plus she has the
>> personality of a used teabag.

>
>
> She's so reticent because she's embarrassed as hell by her parents...
>
>

+1!!!!!!
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On 11/15/2016 11:46 AM, Bruce wrote:
> He doesn't realise that
> everybody but the Ku Klux Clan is too left wing for him.


Dumb ****!

You couldn't even spell their name properly - hint, they're not a
"family", you MORON!
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:43:46 -0700, Sqwertz >
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>On 11/15/2016 3:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> It was not a pretty choice here. What is almost amuzing is if the
>>> Democrats hadn't been so determined to put Hillary on the list, some of
>>> the others would have beat Trump easily. They just didnt talk as well
>>> or have the backyard handshakes she had.
>>>
>>> =================
>>>
>>> Thank you and yes, it all makes sense. I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now
>>> being groomed for the top job.

>>
>> And Ivanka Trump. Gonna be fun in 4 years. At least gender won't be an
>> issue.
>>

>I hope you don't handicap horses, your judgment is appalling.


the first ex-wife wants to be an ambassador since she says she is so
well known around the world. The 3 children and son-in-law are going
to be 'advisors.'


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On 11/15/2016 1:46 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:43:46 -0700, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/15/2016 3:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> It was not a pretty choice here. What is almost amuzing is if the
>>>> Democrats hadn't been so determined to put Hillary on the list, some of
>>>> the others would have beat Trump easily. They just didnt talk as well
>>>> or have the backyard handshakes she had.
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and yes, it all makes sense. I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now
>>>> being groomed for the top job.
>>>
>>> And Ivanka Trump. Gonna be fun in 4 years. At least gender won't be an
>>> issue.
>>>

>> I hope you don't handicap horses, your judgment is appalling.

>
> the first ex-wife wants to be an ambassador since she says she is so
> well known around the world. The 3 children and son-in-law are going
> to be 'advisors.'
>

....until he's impeached and Pence replaces him:-(
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In article >, U.S. Janet B.
says...
>
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:43:46 -0700, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On 11/15/2016 3:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >>> It was not a pretty choice here. What is almost amuzing is if the
> >>> Democrats hadn't been so determined to put Hillary on the list, some of
> >>> the others would have beat Trump easily. They just didnt talk as well
> >>> or have the backyard handshakes she had.
> >>>
> >>> =================
> >>>
> >>> Thank you and yes, it all makes sense. I hear Chelsea (daughter?) is now
> >>> being groomed for the top job.
> >>
> >> And Ivanka Trump. Gonna be fun in 4 years. At least gender won't be an
> >> issue.
> >>

> >I hope you don't handicap horses, your judgment is appalling.

>
> the first ex-wife wants to be an ambassador since she says she is so
> well known around the world. The 3 children and son-in-law are going
> to be 'advisors.'


Let's run for President. It's fun for the whole family!
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In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Too true. FWIW, there was a lot of opposition to a wind farm in the
> township just west of here, but it went ahead. Now I know why they call
> them farms. In a period of about 6 months they put up more than 100 huge
> turbines at a cost of about $6 million a pop. They sure do affect the
> view. Then there is the power lines set up to ship the power to the
> people who don't want them in their backyards.


Wait, what? Are you talking about "pave the earth" bird grinders with
really expensive cost of installation and super expensive moving parts
that reside on huge pads within a large wildlife unfriendly area that
can light up part of a medium sized city sometimes?
That couldn't be what you're talking about. They're the wave of the
future!

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On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:57:22 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

> In article >, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> > Too true. FWIW, there was a lot of opposition to a wind farm in the
> > township just west of here, but it went ahead. Now I know why they call
> > them farms. In a period of about 6 months they put up more than 100 huge
> > turbines at a cost of about $6 million a pop. They sure do affect the
> > view. Then there is the power lines set up to ship the power to the
> > people who don't want them in their backyards.


I love the sight of wind farms, and love it when I see factories with
a couple of them on the property.

http://photovalet.com/data/comps/TPW/TPWV01P11_13.jpg
http://thehill.com/sites/default/fil...?itok=bPo9rCUP
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc...g?v=1454937321

>
> Wait, what? Are you talking about "pave the earth" bird grinders with
> really expensive cost of installation and super expensive moving parts
> that reside on huge pads within a large wildlife unfriendly area that
> can light up part of a medium sized city sometimes?
> That couldn't be what you're talking about. They're the wave of the
> future!
>

The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/miscell...tical-Axis.jpg
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2011...E_24_small.jpg
http://www.epfl.ae/sites/default/fil...inesHeader.jpg

What beef do you have with solar collectors?



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In article >, sf
> wrote:

> The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
> migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
> case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.


http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...wind-turbines-
really-kill-180948154/
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636
and from yet another bogus "fact checker"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y/31/donald-tr
ump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/
Which says:
"Trump said that in California, windmills are killing hundreds and
hundreds of eagles. The best estimate is that about 100 golden eagles
die each year from collisions with wind turbine blades. The data are
not perfect, but the people most concerned about the welfare of the
eagles do not go along with Trumpšs figure."

So, as I said, they're bird grinders. All kinds of birds. Rest assured
that the bloody facts are hidden from us for political reasons.

And from your provided links, wind turbines are deadly works of art and
a "pave the earth" technology with some functionality but at what cost
to a environmental lobby that turns a blind eye to the slaughter? The
end justifies the means. Gotta break a few eggs, etc.

> What beef do you have with solar collectors?


None for ones on a roof that the occupant paid for. Plenty for any that
I subsidize but get no benefit from. That ought to make sense.
Oh... Wait! I didn't even know this was going on. Thanks for the
heads-up!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...hreaten-birds/
http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...aths-20160831-
snap-story.html

I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is on a
microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.
I tried my best to give what you might consider liberal or neutral
links here. There were plenty of others. Ain't Google great!

Your Paleolithic pal,

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In article >, Leonard
Blaisdell > wrote:

My links sucked. At least on my newsreader. I'm better than that.

Wind:
<http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds>
<http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...o-wind-turbine
s-really-kill-180948154/>
<http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636>
<http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ay/31/donald-t
rump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/>

Solar:
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/solar-farms-threaten-birds/>
<http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...deaths-2016083
1-snap-story.html>

Sorry.

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On 11/17/2016 8:24 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, sf
> > wrote:
>
>> The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
>> migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
>> case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.

>
> http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...wind-turbines-
> really-kill-180948154/
> http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636
> and from yet another bogus "fact checker"
> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y/31/donald-tr
> ump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/
> Which says:
> "Trump said that in California, windmills are killing hundreds and
> hundreds of eagles. The best estimate is that about 100 golden eagles
> die each year from collisions with wind turbine blades. The data are
> not perfect, but the people most concerned about the welfare of the
> eagles do not go along with Trumpšs figure."
>
> So, as I said, they're bird grinders. All kinds of birds. Rest assured
> that the bloody facts are hidden from us for political reasons.
>


>
> I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is on a
> microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.


Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.
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On 11/17/2016 10:05 PM, graham wrote:
>> I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is on a
>> microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.

>
> Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.


And Marty Bodine's feral feed cats.
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In article >, graham says...
>
> On 11/17/2016 8:24 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> > In article >, sf
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
> >> migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
> >> case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.

> >
> > http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds
> > http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...wind-turbines-
> > really-kill-180948154/
> > http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636
> > and from yet another bogus "fact checker"
> > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y/31/donald-tr
> > ump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/
> > Which says:
> > "Trump said that in California, windmills are killing hundreds and
> > hundreds of eagles. The best estimate is that about 100 golden eagles
> > die each year from collisions with wind turbine blades. The data are
> > not perfect, but the people most concerned about the welfare of the
> > eagles do not go along with Trumpšs figure."
> >
> > So, as I said, they're bird grinders. All kinds of birds. Rest assured
> > that the bloody facts are hidden from us for political reasons.
> >
> > I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is
> > on a
> > microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.

>
> Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.


That's why our cats are indoor cats.
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graham wrote:
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>Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.


What an UNeducated imbecile, you don't even define WHICH birds...
domestic cats are no match for birds of prey (raptors). waterfowl, and
other large birds such as crows, chickens, and larger. Feral cats
don't waste their time and energy hunting birds when rodents are much
easier prey. House cats let outside rarely catch birds unless you are
so stupid as to place bird feeders close to shrubbery and hanging from
tree branches, they are much luckier at catching flying insects;
butterfies, and slow/low flying beetles, also grasshoppers and small
frogs/lizards... my feral cats spend a lot of time snatching small
fish from my creek but won't dare mess with Canada geese and wild
turkeys, they leave the creek immediately when storks, cranes, herons,
and egrets arrive. The biggest killer of song birds by far are window
strikes... there is much info on line:
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAbou...dow_collisions
http://abirdseyeview.com/
All my windows are protected with decals and hanging CDs.



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Brooklyn1 wrote:
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> graham wrote:
> >
> >Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.


lol Not my Disney World cat, Mr.Kitty.
Here's a pic of him checking out a baby chicken.

http://i63.tinypic.com/34t8qd3.jpg

He probably wanted to eat it but he knew it was another pet.
Notice his ears are "up." When a cat hunts, ears go flat.
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:27:02 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, graham says...
>>
>> On 11/17/2016 8:24 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> > In article >, sf
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
>> >> migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
>> >> case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.
>> >
>> > http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds
>> > http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...wind-turbines-
>> > really-kill-180948154/
>> > http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636
>> > and from yet another bogus "fact checker"
>> > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y/31/donald-tr
>> > ump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/
>> > Which says:
>> > "Trump said that in California, windmills are killing hundreds and
>> > hundreds of eagles. The best estimate is that about 100 golden eagles
>> > die each year from collisions with wind turbine blades. The data are
>> > not perfect, but the people most concerned about the welfare of the
>> > eagles do not go along with Trumpšs figure."
>> >
>> > So, as I said, they're bird grinders. All kinds of birds. Rest assured
>> > that the bloody facts are hidden from us for political reasons.
>> >
>> > I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is
>> > on a
>> > microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.

>>
>> Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.

>
>That's why our cats are indoor cats.


House cats are likely to lead very short lives when let outdoors, they
don't have the survival skills of feral cats. Also in urban and
especially suburban areas many assholes will shoot and poison cats. My
indoor cats never go out, the ferals never come in. The ferals are
far more physically fit; lean, mean, and very powerful... their
physiques look very different from house cats, they are larger, weigh
more, and all rippling muscle. They can actually climb a tree as
effortlessly as a squirrel, that's where they catch them, not on the
ground.
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In article >, Brooklyn1
says...
>
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:27:02 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, graham says...
> >>
> >> Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.

> >
> >That's why our cats are indoor cats.

>
> House cats are likely to lead very short lives when let outdoors, they
> don't have the survival skills of feral cats. Also in urban and
> especially suburban areas many assholes will shoot and poison cats. My
> indoor cats never go out, the ferals never come in. The ferals are
> far more physically fit; lean, mean, and very powerful... their
> physiques look very different from house cats, they are larger, weigh
> more, and all rippling muscle. They can actually climb a tree as
> effortlessly as a squirrel, that's where they catch them, not on the
> ground.


My main concern if I'd let our cats out (apart from the damage they'd
do) is snakes and ticks, but especially snakes. I can just see them
stick their noses where they shouldn't. The cats, that is.
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 05:35:33 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Brooklyn1
>says...
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 16:27:02 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, graham says...
>> >>
>> >> Domestic cats are far and away the biggest killer of birds.
>> >
>> >That's why our cats are indoor cats.

>>
>> House cats are likely to lead very short lives when let outdoors, they
>> don't have the survival skills of feral cats. Also in urban and
>> especially suburban areas many assholes will shoot and poison cats. My
>> indoor cats never go out, the ferals never come in. The ferals are
>> far more physically fit; lean, mean, and very powerful... their
>> physiques look very different from house cats, they are larger, weigh
>> more, and all rippling muscle. They can actually climb a tree as
>> effortlessly as a squirrel, that's where they catch them, not on the
>> ground.

>
>My main concern if I'd let our cats out (apart from the damage they'd
>do) is snakes and ticks, but especially snakes. I can just see them
>stick their noses where they shouldn't. The cats, that is.


Cats naturally avoid snakes same as other mammals and ticks are no
problem if properly medicated (Frontline works well), I manage to get
it on my ferals. Depending where you live, if in urban/surburban
areas the greatest danger to cats are humans. In rural areas only a
fool lets house cats go outside, in rural areas feral/barn cats
survive quite well... in agricultural areas feral/barn cats are
considered a great asset.
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In article >, Brooklyn1
says...
>
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 05:35:33 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Brooklyn1
> >says...
> >>
> >> House cats are likely to lead very short lives when let outdoors,
> >> they
> >> don't have the survival skills of feral cats. Also in urban and
> >> especially suburban areas many assholes will shoot and poison cats. My
> >> indoor cats never go out, the ferals never come in. The ferals are
> >> far more physically fit; lean, mean, and very powerful... their
> >> physiques look very different from house cats, they are larger, weigh
> >> more, and all rippling muscle. They can actually climb a tree as
> >> effortlessly as a squirrel, that's where they catch them, not on the
> >> ground.

> >
> >My main concern if I'd let our cats out (apart from the damage they'd
> >do) is snakes and ticks, but especially snakes. I can just see them
> >stick their noses where they shouldn't. The cats, that is.

>
> Cats naturally avoid snakes same as other mammals and ticks are no
> problem if properly medicated (Frontline works well), I manage to get
> it on my ferals. Depending where you live, if in urban/surburban
> areas the greatest danger to cats are humans. In rural areas only a
> fool lets house cats go outside, in rural areas feral/barn cats
> survive quite well... in agricultural areas feral/barn cats are
> considered a great asset.


I live in a rural area. Snakes are everywhere. Even if cats don't seek
them out, they'll still walk into them. The previous owner had two cats.
One died young of snake bite, the other one didn't. It was snake-smart
or just lucky, I don't know.


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My older cat, Annie, likes to catch small snakes.
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On 2016-11-18 5:05 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Cats naturally avoid snakes same as other mammals


They do?? I have seen cats hunt and kill snakes, and my dog, a Belgium
Shepherd, has a special love of hunting and killing snakes. He doesn't
bother much with squirrels and rabbits that we see when out on walks,
but once in a while he gets into snake chasing mode and he is very
determined. Snakes are pounced on, grabbed, shaken and thrown, sometimes
in broken pieces.


and ticks are no
> problem if properly medicated (Frontline works well), I manage to get
> it on my ferals. Depending where you live, if in urban/surburban
> areas the greatest danger to cats are humans. In rural areas only a
> fool lets house cats go outside, in rural areas feral/barn cats
> survive quite well... in agricultural areas feral/barn cats are
> considered a great asset.
>


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On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:24:51 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

> In article >, sf
> > wrote:
>
> > The only time wind farms could be a problem is if they are put in
> > migratory flight paths and most birds fly higher than that. In any
> > case, there's more to wind turbines than the windmill style.

>
> http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...wind-turbines-
> really-kill-180948154/
> http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-321636
> and from yet another bogus "fact checker"
> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...y/31/donald-tr
> ump/trump-exaggerates-wind-turbine-eagle-deaths/
> Which says:
> "Trump said that in California, windmills are killing hundreds and
> hundreds of eagles. The best estimate is that about 100 golden eagles
> die each year from collisions with wind turbine blades. The data are
> not perfect, but the people most concerned about the welfare of the
> eagles do not go along with Trumpšs figure."


So you're going to believe Liar Trump? Good luck with that.
>
> So, as I said, they're bird grinders. All kinds of birds. Rest assured
> that the bloody facts are hidden from us for political reasons.
>
> And from your provided links, wind turbines are deadly works of art and
> a "pave the earth" technology with some functionality but at what cost
> to a environmental lobby that turns a blind eye to the slaughter? The
> end justifies the means. Gotta break a few eggs, etc.
>
> > What beef do you have with solar collectors?

>
> None for ones on a roof that the occupant paid for. Plenty for any that
> I subsidize but get no benefit from. That ought to make sense.
> Oh... Wait! I didn't even know this was going on. Thanks for the
> heads-up!
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...hreaten-birds/
> http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...aths-20160831-
> snap-story.html
>
> I love birds. I've shot my share of edible ones. But what I did is on a
> microscopic level compared to the slaughter that green energy provides.
> I tried my best to give what you might consider liberal or neutral
> links here. There were plenty of others. Ain't Google great!
>
> Your Paleolithic pal,
>
> leo




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