On 8 Nov 2016 00:04:57 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-11-07, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> She would have been toast this election without the antics of Trump.
>> In any other 'normal' election she wouldn't have had a prayer of
>> winning.
>
>He may have a point.

He, as in Trump? Yes, not _everything_ he says is wrong.

>Drat! There I go responding to political nonsense. 8|

Well, this no ordinary election, so you're excused!

In article >, cshenk
says...
>
> Roy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 1:22:09 PM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:

> > > I won't ask who you will choose
> > >
> > >
> > Actually if I were an American I would not vote for either of the two
> > but would vote for the Libertarian Party. Most of my American cousins
> > that I know will vote Democrat no matter what. =====
>
> Actually the Libertarian guy looks better than the 2 mainstream folks
> though a bit low on international politics.

He's for for decriminalisation of marijuana. That's a good idea. If you
let all the pot smokers pay sales tax on their pot, you can pay off the
national debt.

On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:

>
> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!

Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
history of the state and followed up the next year with another
multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.

On 11/7/2016 6:50 PM, Je�us wrote:

>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Care to explain the differences in actual practice?
>

It is sort of a biblical thing. All Congresspeople were created equal
with their hands in your pocket.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:33:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/7/2016 6:50 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>>
>> Care to explain the differences in actual practice?
>>
>
>It is sort of a biblical thing. All Congresspeople were created equal
>with their hands in your pocket.

Nicely said

These final few days have been interesting. My opinion of Clinton has
never been very high, but these past few days she's made a complete
ass of herself IMO and Trump has actually improved considerably.
That's not an easy thing for me to type! You guys are going to need
another coup, methinks.

On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.

Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:05:27 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>>
>> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
>> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
>> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
>> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>
>Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
>taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
>driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
>spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
>left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
>pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.

To a non-American, it's amusing as hell to hear the Democrats
described as being centre or centre left. By our standards, the
Democrats are left only to Genghis Kahn.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:05:27 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> >>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
> >>
> >> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> >> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> >> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> >> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
> >
> >Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
> >taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
> >driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
> >spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
> >left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
> >pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.
>
> To a non-American, it's amusing as hell to hear the Democrats
> described as being centre or centre left. By our standards, the
> Democrats are left only to Genghis Kahn.

I agree, although isn't Bernie Sanders more left wing than the
Australian Labor party (which, from a Dutch perspective is actually
right wing)?

On 2016-11-07 8:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.


Clean house? The Congress and the Senate both have Republican
majorities. The Democratic President has not really been in charge.
He should get some credit for bailing out banks and auto businesses when
there was a financial meltdown resulting from bad financial practices.
If the those businesses had failed the economy would have gone belly up.
Trump thinks that was a big mistake and that they should have been
allowed to sink.

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:27:45 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:05:27 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>> >On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> >>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>> >>
>> >> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
>> >> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
>> >> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
>> >> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>> >
>> >Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
>> >taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
>> >driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
>> >spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
>> >left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
>> >pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.
>>
>> To a non-American, it's amusing as hell to hear the Democrats
>> described as being centre or centre left. By our standards, the
>> Democrats are left only to Genghis Kahn.
>
>I agree, although isn't Bernie Sanders more left wing than the
>Australian Labor party (which, from a Dutch perspective is actually
>right wing)?

Yes, in a lot of ways. All the mainstream parties here have moved to
the right quite some time ago, but still a long way from the USA.

To change the topic slightly for a moment, I'll be in Cambodia in
about 16 hours... and I'm already so tired I could go back to bed now
:/ We might know who the next president will be by the time I get
there.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:15:40 -0700, graham > wrote:

> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!

Yes! The cake is baked, and now we need to frost it.


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On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:16:29 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

> Actually if I were an American I would not vote for either of the two but would vote for the Libertarian Party. Most of my American cousins that I know will vote Democrat no matter what.

1. In this particular instance, your cousins are correct.
2. You're not American.
3. I could visualize voting Libertarian if Gary Johnson wasn't batsh*t
crazy and their platform was better conceived. Most people who vote
LP don't realize that ending the "Welfare State" means ending social
security and every other safety net we have put in place over the
years. It's a party for the rich and privileged. Think "Koch". They
wouldn't suffer if it all disappeared tomorrow and would prosper even
more if we actually let capitalism run wild. I'm looking forward to
Elizabeth Warren bringing Wall St. to heel. You can sit there and
think you're not vested in this election because it's not your
country, but unless you're completely off the grid, you are. The DOW
rose 371 points just today, because it was feeling positive about
Hillary's election. So, tell me how our electoral process doesn't
have a ripple affect for you.



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On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:07:45 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Actually the Libertarian guy looks better than the 2 mainstream folks
> though a bit low on international politics.

Put your glasses on, Carol. His VP could sell it, Gary is a nut.


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In article >, Jeßus >
wrote:

> To change the topic slightly for a moment, I'll be in Cambodia in
> about 16 hours... and I'm already so tired I could go back to bed now
> :/ We might know who the next president will be by the time I get
> there.

Get a picture of that Komodo Dragon, mate. I'm counting on you!

leo

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:27:45 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:05:27 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> >> >>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
> >> >>
> >> >> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> >> >> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> >> >> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> >> >> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
> >> >
> >> >Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
> >> >taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
> >> >driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
> >> >spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
> >> >left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
> >> >pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.
> >>
> >> To a non-American, it's amusing as hell to hear the Democrats
> >> described as being centre or centre left. By our standards, the
> >> Democrats are left only to Genghis Kahn.
> >
> >I agree, although isn't Bernie Sanders more left wing than the
> >Australian Labor party (which, from a Dutch perspective is actually
> >right wing)?
>
> Yes, in a lot of ways. All the mainstream parties here have moved to
> the right quite some time ago, but still a long way from the USA.
>
> To change the topic slightly for a moment, I'll be in Cambodia in
> about 16 hours... and I'm already so tired I could go back to bed now
> :/ We might know who the next president will be by the time I get
> there.

Yes, unless they'll still be recounting in 2 months.

Enjoy the trip.

On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:42:45 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus >
>wrote:
>
>> To change the topic slightly for a moment, I'll be in Cambodia in
>> about 16 hours... and I'm already so tired I could go back to bed now
>> :/ We might know who the next president will be by the time I get
>> there.
>
>Get a picture of that Komodo Dragon, mate. I'm counting on you!

I'm in the airport ATM and there's a dragon lady at the counter. Does
that count?

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:51:21 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:27:45 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:05:27 -0700, graham > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 11/7/2016 6:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> >> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> >> >>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
>> >> >> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
>> >> >> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
>> >> >> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>> >> >
>> >> >Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
>> >> >taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
>> >> >driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
>> >> >spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
>> >> >left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
>> >> >pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.
>> >>
>> >> To a non-American, it's amusing as hell to hear the Democrats
>> >> described as being centre or centre left. By our standards, the
>> >> Democrats are left only to Genghis Kahn.
>> >
>> >I agree, although isn't Bernie Sanders more left wing than the
>> >Australian Labor party (which, from a Dutch perspective is actually
>> >right wing)?
>>
>> Yes, in a lot of ways. All the mainstream parties here have moved to
>> the right quite some time ago, but still a long way from the USA.
>>
>> To change the topic slightly for a moment, I'll be in Cambodia in
>> about 16 hours... and I'm already so tired I could go back to bed now
>> :/ We might know who the next president will be by the time I get
>> there.
>
>Yes, unless they'll still be recounting in 2 months.

Hopefully not a repeat of the GWB debacle.

>Enjoy the trip.

Thanks.

In article >, Jeßus
> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:42:45 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> > wrote:

> >Get a picture of that Komodo Dragon, mate. I'm counting on you!
>
> I'm in the airport ATM and there's a dragon lady at the counter. Does
> that count?

Um ... sure! Did you get a picture of her? Have a great trip and stay
safe.

leo

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:

>
> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!

Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
history of the state and followed up the next year with another
multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.

===========

Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?

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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 11/7/2016 6:50 PM, Je�us wrote:

>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Care to explain the differences in actual practice?
>

It is sort of a biblical thing. All Congresspeople were created equal
with their hands in your pocket.

===============

That is true of all politicians the world over.

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On 11/8/2016 9:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>
I'm not quite sure what you mean.

In my county in NJ, all races/questions are programmed into the
electronic voting machines. The voter steps into the booth and selects
his/her candidates and votes on any questions. Little lights go on to
show your selection. When you're satisfied, you press a big red button
at the bottom, and your vote is registered.
I was on the local board of election for a number of years - when I
started, we used enormous, heavy, mechanical voting machines (good thing
I was young(er) and strong, setting up those machines took a fair amount
of muscle power. I prefer the paper ballots in the UK - easier to spot
potential tampering.

Presidential terms are for 4 years, senatorial are 6, and members of
Congress are 2. Approximately 1/3 of senators are up for election every
two years, rather than replacing them all at once, as is done with the
Congress, so one could potentially be voting for president, senator and
congressman on the same ballot.

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:

> Up here, historically, it has been the right wing that has lowered
> taxes, especially for the wealthier, and then gone on spending sprees,
> driving up the deficit. They have also been deficient in infrastructure
> spending (schools, hospitals, roads etc.) so that the centre and centre
> left governments that follow have been forced to increase taxation to
> pay for all those RW deficits and repair the damage.

Pretty much the same here.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >
> > The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> > backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>
> ===========
>
> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?

Rules vary by state. I don't know about Ed's jurisdiction
(too rushed to google; it's time to go to work), but in Michigan
you can either vote a straight party ticket (where one action
automatically selects all of the party's candidates on the
entire ballot), or you can vote for a mix of Republicans,
Democrats, and any other party that might have satisfied
the state's rules to appear on the ballot.

Then there are nonpartisan races (judges, for example) and
proposals (like, should we levy a tax to fix the roads? --
because all the money we're currently soaking you for seems
just a little insufficient to the purpose).

Cindy Hamilton

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 11/8/2016 9:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>
I'm not quite sure what you mean.

In my county in NJ, all races/questions are programmed into the
electronic voting machines. The voter steps into the booth and selects
his/her candidates and votes on any questions. Little lights go on to
show your selection. When you're satisfied, you press a big red button
at the bottom, and your vote is registered.
I was on the local board of election for a number of years - when I
started, we used enormous, heavy, mechanical voting machines (good thing
I was young(er) and strong, setting up those machines took a fair amount
of muscle power. I prefer the paper ballots in the UK - easier to spot
potential tampering.

Presidential terms are for 4 years, senatorial are 6, and members of
Congress are 2. Approximately 1/3 of senators are up for election every
two years, rather than replacing them all at once, as is done with the
Congress, so one could potentially be voting for president, senator and
congressman on the same ballot.

================

I see! Thank you!



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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >
> > The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> > backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>
> ===========
>
> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?

Rules vary by state. I don't know about Ed's jurisdiction
(too rushed to google; it's time to go to work), but in Michigan
you can either vote a straight party ticket (where one action
automatically selects all of the party's candidates on the
entire ballot), or you can vote for a mix of Republicans,
Democrats, and any other party that might have satisfied
the state's rules to appear on the ballot.

Then there are nonpartisan races (judges, for example) and
proposals (like, should we levy a tax to fix the roads? --
because all the money we're currently soaking you for seems
just a little insufficient to the purpose).

Cindy Hamilton

================

You vote for judges? You can have referenda on where to levy taxes?


In a General election, we vote for a local candidate to become a member of
parliament (MP) and the party with most MPs forms a Government. Those MPs
choose the Prime Minister.

It is very interesting to read of other ways.



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On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 7:11:19 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> > > backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
> >
> > Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> > history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> > multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> > administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
> >
> > ===========
> >
> > Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>
> Rules vary by state. I don't know about Ed's jurisdiction
> (too rushed to google; it's time to go to work), but in Michigan
> you can either vote a straight party ticket (where one action
> automatically selects all of the party's candidates on the
> entire ballot), or you can vote for a mix of Republicans,
> Democrats, and any other party that might have satisfied
> the state's rules to appear on the ballot.
>
> Then there are nonpartisan races (judges, for example) and
> proposals (like, should we levy a tax to fix the roads? --
> because all the money we're currently soaking you for seems
> just a little insufficient to the purpose).
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> ================
>
> You vote for judges?

Some judges are appointed. Others are elected.

> You can have referenda on where to levy taxes?

Absolutely! That's too important to leave entirely
in the hands of elected officials.

We had three "millages" (so called because they
represent some multiple of 1/1000 of the assessed
value of real estate) on the ballot where I live.

I voted for continuing 0.50 mills
for roads and for continuing 0.1 mills for
veterans' services. I voted against the regional
public transit millsage (1.2 mills) not because
I'm against public transit, but because I'm
convinced the money would not be spent effectively
or efficiently.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 7:11:19 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
> > > backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
> >
> > Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> > history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> > multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> > administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
> >
> > ===========
> >
> > Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>
> Rules vary by state. I don't know about Ed's jurisdiction
> (too rushed to google; it's time to go to work), but in Michigan
> you can either vote a straight party ticket (where one action
> automatically selects all of the party's candidates on the
> entire ballot), or you can vote for a mix of Republicans,
> Democrats, and any other party that might have satisfied
> the state's rules to appear on the ballot.
>
> Then there are nonpartisan races (judges, for example) and
> proposals (like, should we levy a tax to fix the roads? --
> because all the money we're currently soaking you for seems
> just a little insufficient to the purpose).
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> ================
>
> You vote for judges?

Some judges are appointed. Others are elected.

> You can have referenda on where to levy taxes?

Absolutely! That's too important to leave entirely
in the hands of elected officials.

We had three "millages" (so called because they
represent some multiple of 1/1000 of the assessed
value of real estate) on the ballot where I live.

I voted for continuing 0.50 mills
for roads and for continuing 0.1 mills for
veterans' services. I voted against the regional
public transit millsage (1.2 mills) not because
I'm against public transit, but because I'm
convinced the money would not be spent effectively
or efficiently.

Cindy Hamilton

=========================

Sounds jolly good to me!

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In article >,
says...
>
> On 11/6/2016 7:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >
> > On a side note, here's a bit of election advice for the Americans, from
> > an ally:
> >
> > https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg
> >
>
> I wonder how many people under about 40 look at it and said "I don't get it"

None in Europe.

Janet UK

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 9:06:00 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 11/8/2016 4:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 5:50:04 PM UTC-5, barbie gee wrote:
> >> Clinton may be qualified, but she is very much disliked, and there's a lot
> >> of worry about her war mongering hawkishness, as well as her being fully
> >> buddied up to Wall Street and corporations.
> >
> > Totally unlike billionaire Donald J. Trump.
> >
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> There's some doubt about the level of his wealth.

Ok, I'd believe that. But he's still tight with Wall Street, and
he pretty much IS a corporation.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-11-08 12:35 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> There's some doubt about the level of his wealth.
>
> Ok, I'd believe that. But he's still tight with Wall Street, and
> he pretty much IS a corporation.

I find it curious that he lost so much money that he hasn't had to pay
income tax but he is still a billionaire.

On 11/8/2016 3:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-11-08 12:35 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> There's some doubt about the level of his wealth.
>>
>> Ok, I'd believe that. But he's still tight with Wall Street, and
>> he pretty much IS a corporation.
>
> I find it curious that he lost so much money that he hasn't had to pay
> income tax but he is still a billionaire.
>
>
>
>
That's because he *believes* he is one - which might go some way to
explain his outrageous lies during the campaign.

On 11/8/2016 4:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>
> ===========
>
> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>

Yes, every position stands on their own. Tere are some people that are
loyal to a particular party and vote for everyone on that ticket.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 11/8/2016 4:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 11/7/2016 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>
>> The most important thing is to get rid of those knuckle-dragging,
>> backward looking, reactionary Repuglican congressmen and senators!
>
> Not in my state. The Dems have given us the highest tax increase in the
> history of the state and followed up the next year with another
> multi-billion dollar deficit. Time to clean house. Present
> administration can't give it away and waste it fast enough.
>
> ===========
>
> Do you vote separately for President, senators etc?
>

Yes, every position stands on their own. Tere are some people that are
loyal to a particular party and vote for everyone on that ticket.

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Ophelia wrote:
>
> Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it will
> go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.

I was surprised too. I don't think he'll be as bad as many feared. Soon,
we'll find out though.

In article >, Gary says...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it will
> > go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.
>
> I was surprised too. I don't think he'll be as bad as many feared. Soon,
> we'll find out though.

As long as he doesn't start WW3 or a global recession, it's going to be
very entertaining.

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:02:36 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Gary says...
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> > Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it will
>> > go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.
>>
>> I was surprised too. I don't think he'll be as bad as many feared. Soon,
>> we'll find out though.
>
>As long as he doesn't start WW3 or a global recession, it's going to be
>very entertaining.

I don't see him being palsy walsy with Putin as entertaining,
especially not for the Ukranians et. al.

Gary wrote:
>Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it will
>> go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.

The Donald will be good for all the world.

>I was surprised too.

I had not a moment's doubt that The Donald would reign supreme from
the moment he rode his escalator and announced.

>I don't think he'll be as bad as many feared.
>Soon, we'll find out though.

What a mealy mouthed fence straddling back pedaler... GARY THOUGH.
LOL-LOL

Cindy Hamilton

>Ophelia
> Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it
> will
> go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.

Thank you. I'm more worried about the fact that the Executive and
Legislative branches are both controlled by the same party. I prefer
the braking effect of having at least one of the three (President,
House, Senate) be different. Doesn't matter who's in charge, being
all too much the same leads to mischief.

Cindy Hamilton
==============

Obviously I know little about your systems, but I did hear that his party
don't like him and it might be difficult for him to get anything through

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> > Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it will
> > go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.
>
> Thank you. I'm more worried about the fact that the Executive and
> Legislative branches are both controlled by the same party. I prefer
> the braking effect of having at least one of the three (President,
> House, Senate) be different. Doesn't matter who's in charge, being
> all too much the same leads to mischief.

I agree with you completely, Cindy. I've always said that I like the
checks and balances. Don't worry about Trump though. Remember, even a
good portion of Republicans turned their backs on him. They won't follow
him to the end.

Unlike some others, I don't feel like "the sky is falling" now. He won
fair and square. Let's support our new president elect. Just maybe he
*can* make a few better improvements. At least he's shaken up DC. It's
about time someone got the chance to do just that.

At the very least, all the liberal democrats now have a target for all
their woes for the next 4 years (or 8). LOLOL at all the liberal wailing
and gnashing of teeth today. Oh, hi there, sf! So much for the Dow Jones
predicting the election outcome the other day, eh? Obviously most polls
are equally worthless too

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On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> >Ophelia
> > Well I just woke up to the news. Not what I expected. I just hope it
> > will
> > go well for you all. He is saying wonderful things. Good luck.
>
> Thank you. I'm more worried about the fact that the Executive and
> Legislative branches are both controlled by the same party. I prefer
> the braking effect of having at least one of the three (President,
> House, Senate) be different. Doesn't matter who's in charge, being
> all too much the same leads to mischief.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ==============
>
> Obviously I know little about your systems, but I did hear that his party
> don't like him

Quite a few establishment Republicans find him repugnant. It's simply
Not Done to brag about your genitals while seeking the highest office
in the land. Plus, although one might wish to see fewer brown faces,
one finds covert ways of talking about (and achieving) that, rather
than referring to citizens of a neighboring country as rapists.

> and it might be difficult for him to get anything through

With any luck, yes. A U.S. political party is a loose aggregation of
more-or-less like-minded individuals. There's no requirement for anybody
to cooperate or to toe the party line, although elected officials find
it's easier to get business done if they do so.

Way back when (before the party was hijacked by the religious right), I
registered to vote as a Republican. I'm still registered that way,
although the last Republican Presidential candidate for whom I voted
was Bush I. I doubt either the party or I would consider myself
a member of the party. I was able to vote in the Republican
primary this year, so I voted against Donald Trump (not that it did
a scrap of good).

Cindy Hamilton