In article >, Cheri says...
>
> I"m sure you would prefer President Clinton and ol BJ ("it depends on
> what
> is, is") in the Oval Office, what better use for it than that? If he would
> have been First Gentleman, just think of the spectacular antics that could
> go on there again. For me, the election is over, the 2 days after comments
> are over, so EOD on my part. You'll have to post to people who care what you
> think at this point, since your only point seems to be shots at the USA.

I'll take shots at any country. I'm generous that way.

In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article > , Janet
> > says...
> >>
> >> In article >, says...
> >> >
> >> > Bruce wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > It's funny that the simpletons who voted for Trump...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Really? Et too, Bruce?
> >>
> >>
> >> > The "simpletons that voted for Trump?" Try the majority of americans.
> >>
> >> Nope. Trump won the majority of the *Electoral College* vote.
> >>
> >> More Americans voted for Hillary than for Trump.
> >>
> >> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/09/po...trump-hillary-
> >> clinton-popular-vote/
> >
> > Almost half the voters voted for Trump. That's sad. That's a lot of Joe
> > Sixpacks with their Cheri style wives.
>
> LOL, one could only hope so, as opposed to someone with a melon-headed style
> husband like the John/Bruce/?/ troll who's idea of transparency is looking
> inside his head and finding nothing there.

Do you get these things from a 50s book of insults?

Cheri wrote:

> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, Brooklyn1
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:15:19 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >, Cheri says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-6, BigC300 wrote:
> >> >> >> Total control of the United States Government
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've lived through almost 8 years of Nixon (and some of Ford!), 8 of
> >> >> > Reagan and 12 of Bush's! I'll survive this!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > John Kuthe...
> >> >>
> >> >> I can top that, I lived through 4 years of Carter!
> >> >
> >> >Maybe not the best president but ten times more civilised and kind than
> >> >President Pussygrabber.
> >>
> >> Bruthe seems all hung up on pussy, prolly cause fags don't get any.
> >
> > You just admire President P. Grabber because he's straight. Something
> > you've never been able to achieve.
>
> I"m sure you would prefer President Clinton and ol BJ ("it depends on what
> is, is") in the Oval Office, what better use for it than that? If he would
> have been First Gentleman, just think of the spectacular antics that could
> go on there again. For me, the election is over, the 2 days after comments
> are over, so EOD on my part. You'll have to post to people who care what you
> think at this point, since your only point seems to be shots at the USA.


Yup, it's time Brucie here learned how to tie his own shoelaces, he is tripping over them and falling flat...he also needs to learn how to blow his own noze, lol...


--
Best
Greg

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 7:54:03 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:

> So, what are 'electoral colleges'? Are they not make up of voters?

No. It's a little complicated.

When we go to the polls to elect the president, what we are actually
voting for are members of the electoral college. These people convene,
cast ballots, and the outcome of that balloting is the next president
of the U.S.

Each state has some number of electors that corresponds to its
population. In that way, the voice of many small states can
outweigh the voice of a few big states. This is the situation
we have today.

The electors are expected to cast their ballot to match the outcome
of the election in their state. Some states require all electors
to cast their ballot for the person who got the most votes in that
state's election. Other states have their electors cast their
ballots in proportion to the all votes cast. For example, if
Candidate A gets 75% of the vote and candidate B gets 25% of the vote,
then 75% of that state's electors cast for Candidate A and 25% of
the electors cast for Candidate B.

All of this--the existence of the Electoral College, the differences
between the states in how the votes are apportioned, etc.--shows that
the United States is a federation of more-or-less sovereign states
rather than a unitary state in itself.

Wikipedia has a longer description of the Electoral College at:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)>
It includes a map showing how the voice of the many less-populous
states outweighed the voice of a few large states.

A lot of people don't like the Electoral College. I think it's
valuable. Without it, we could save a lot of time by holding
elections only in New York and California, but the results would
not well represent the people elsewhere.

Cindy Hamilton

==================

Thanks, Cindy. In our case ... each area has a choice of candidates from
different parties. The party that wins the most candidates overall, becomes
the government and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister. If
the Prime Minister resigns for any reason, as was our case after PM David
Cameron lost the referendum on Brexit, the members of parliament of the
governing party vote for a new leader who then becomes Prime Minister, so
our voters don't actually vote for or elect our head of government at all!

Interesting stuff )



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gary, I hate to break the news...but the majority did NOT vote for Trump.
>> Hilary had
>> the highest popular vote.
>>
>> Trump was "elected" by electoral college votes, not the majority of votes
>> from the
>> individual voters.
>>
>> Get your terminology correct if you are going to teach us something.
>>
>> N.
>
> There are still a lot of absentee and mail in votes to be counted, a lot.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===============
>
> So, if it turns out the Clinton actually got many many more votes than
> Trump
> ... could the situation change?

No.

Cheri

==

Thanks


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
says...
> Thanks, Cindy. In our case ... each area has a choice of candidates from
> different parties. The party that wins the most candidates overall, becomes
> the government and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister. If
> the Prime Minister resigns for any reason, as was our case after PM David
> Cameron lost the referendum on Brexit, the members of parliament of the
> governing party vote for a new leader who then becomes Prime Minister, so
> our voters don't actually vote for or elect our head of government at all!

That is not quite true. The general electorate don't vote directly
for the Prime Minister, but ordinary party members of each party do when
they elect their party's leader (from a panel of candidates selected by
their party's MP's)

The membership-elected leader of the majority party becomes Prime
Minister.

The Labour Party's ordinary LP members, have just re-elected Jeremy
Corbyn as their leader and shadow Prime Minister. Theresa May would
have been elected PM by the general membership of the Conservative
Party, but the other final-ballot PM candidate withdrew at the last
minute.


Janet.

On 11/10/2016 12:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Cheri says...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:34:53 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One thing I do find
>>>> funny is all the celebs who were going to leave the country if Trump won.
>>>> Beyonce, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen etc.
>>>
>>> When did they threaten to leave? I missed all of that.
>>
>> Many times on TV, I don't care about the rest, but I was upset that Bon Jovi
>> would make a stupid statement like that, much like Barbra Streisand was
>> going to leave a few years ago. Buh Bye.
>
> He probably thought it was safe to say that, because President
> Pussygrabber "wasn't going to win anyway". Now he should be forced to
> move to Canada.
>
>
You should have your fingers cut off.

On 11/10/2016 12:15 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Cheri says...
>>
>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-6, BigC300 wrote:
>>>> Total control of the United States Government
>>>
>>> I've lived through almost 8 years of Nixon (and some of Ford!), 8 of
>>> Reagan and 12 of Bush's! I'll survive this!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> I can top that, I lived through 4 years of Carter!
>
> Maybe not the best president but ten times more civilised and kind than
> President Pussygrabber.
>
That kind of 'kind" got us Obozo's red line in the sand and ISIS.
Fool.

On 11/10/2016 1:05 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:45:37 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> It's funny that the simpletons who voted for Trump...
>>
>>
>> Really? Et too, Bruce?
>> The "simpletons that voted for Trump?" Try the majority of americans.
>> Are you also a sad loser? Nothing left but name calling now?
>
> Trump won in the electoral college, Hillary won the popular vote;
Nope.

It is NOT all counted.

Be honest.

On 11/10/2016 2:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 10:05:17 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:45:37 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's funny that the simpletons who voted for Trump...
>>>
>>>
>>> Really? Et too, Bruce?
>>> The "simpletons that voted for Trump?" Try the majority of americans.
>>> Are you also a sad loser? Nothing left but name calling now?
>>
>> Trump won in the electoral college, Hillary won the popular vote; we
>> have a repeat of 2000, minus the hanging chad side show. It's time to
>> abolish the electoral college.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
>
> My son doesn't believe in the electoral college so he boycotted the election.
>

How is he on believing in the sun?

Would he boycott daylight?

On 11/10/2016 4:26 AM, William wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:11:32 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> I can top that, I lived through 4 years of Carter!
>>
>> Cheri
>
> remember when he told the oil companies they could no longer increase
> the price of gasoline?
>
> William
>
That was the second best fuel crisis ever!

On 11/10/2016 5:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gary, I hate to break the news...but the majority did NOT vote for Trump.
>> Hilary had
>> the highest popular vote.
>>
>> Trump was "elected" by electoral college votes, not the majority of votes
>> from the
>> individual voters.
>>
>> Get your terminology correct if you are going to teach us something.
>>
>> N.
>
> There are still a lot of absentee and mail in votes to be counted, a lot.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===============
>
> So, if it turns out the Clinton actually got many many more votes than
> Trump
> ... could the situation change?
>
>
>
Nope.

On 11/10/2016 7:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> A lot of people don't like the Electoral College. I think it's
> valuable. Without it, we could save a lot of time by holding
> elections only in New York and California, but the results would
> not well represent the people elsewhere.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Bingo!

No United States of Caliphonya, please.

On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> I doubt that he could be considered a fool by any measure. My guess is that the election pretty much validated his concerns.

So he cut off his nose (vote) to spite the system.

No, that's not "foolish" at all, lol!

On 11/10/2016 10:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> He told us that the kids at the law school were in shock and most of them got totally drunk. My guess is that they reached and breached some kind of tipping point. I'm hoping they learned a lesson that will stay with them for some time.

Cuz going on a bender becusse your candidate lost is a real educational
milestone...tee hee...

On 11/10/2016 11:30 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> this country will approach and breach a tipping point and, I'm hoping, come out better for it - but first we have to go to war.

No we don't, Shrillary is out.

On 11/10/2016 11:47 AM, Janet wrote:
> More Americans voted for Hillary than for Trump.

Nope. The vote is still being counted, simp.

On 11/10/2016 11:47 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> but first we have to go to war.
>
> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
> throw more American bodies at it.
>
>
That was Shrillay's plan, not Trump's.

Cope.

Some new bridges and overpasses won't kill ya.

On 11/10/2016 1:00 PM, wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:47:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> but first we have to go to war.
>>
>> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
>> throw more American bodies at it.
>
> With GOPers in control, you can be sure it won't be their sons and
> daughters that go to the fight
>
With Trump you can be sure they'll be no fight to go to.

On 11/10/2016 3:00 PM, wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:47:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> but first we have to go to war.
>>
>> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
>> throw more American bodies at it.
>
> With GOPers in control, you can be sure it won't be their sons and
> daughters that go to the fight
>

No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
results in our liberal school systems.

> On 11/10/2016 2:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>>>
>>> Trump won in the electoral college, Hillary won the popular vote; we
>>> have a repeat of 2000, minus the hanging chad side show. It's time to
>>> abolish the electoral college.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> My son doesn't believe in the electoral college so he boycotted the
>> election.
>>

The EC made sense many years ago. The people elected electors and
entrusted them to make a decision for them. The electors met in the
state capitol and they often had information that the general population
did not have. Today we know everything about everyone running for any
office. No need to have a middleman to make your decision.

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 8:47:04 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > but first we have to go to war.
>
> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
> throw more American bodies at it.
>
>
> --
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

By "war" I mean the battles that will be fought domestically.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:58:39 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>> Thanks, Cindy. In our case ... each area has a choice of candidates from
>> different parties. The party that wins the most candidates overall, becomes
>> the government and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister. If
>> the Prime Minister resigns for any reason, as was our case after PM David
>> Cameron lost the referendum on Brexit, the members of parliament of the
>> governing party vote for a new leader who then becomes Prime Minister, so
>> our voters don't actually vote for or elect our head of government at all!
>
> That is not quite true. The general electorate don't vote directly
>for the Prime Minister, but ordinary party members of each party do when
>they elect their party's leader (from a panel of candidates selected by
>their party's MP's)
>
>The membership-elected leader of the majority party becomes Prime
>Minister.
>
> The Labour Party's ordinary LP members, have just re-elected Jeremy
>Corbyn as their leader and shadow Prime Minister. Theresa May would
>have been elected PM by the general membership of the Conservative
>Party, but the other final-ballot PM candidate withdrew at the last
>minute.
>
>
> Janet.
>
>
But it still means May was not 'elected' by the people in general.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:56:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/10/2016 3:00 PM, wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:47:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> but first we have to go to war.
>>>
>>> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
>>> throw more American bodies at it.
>>
>> With GOPers in control, you can be sure it won't be their sons and
>> daughters that go to the fight
>>
>
>No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>results in our liberal school systems.


Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:01:41 -0400, wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:56:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 11/10/2016 3:00 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:47:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> but first we have to go to war.
> >>>
> >>> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
> >>> throw more American bodies at it.
> >>
> >> With GOPers in control, you can be sure it won't be their sons and
> >> daughters that go to the fight
> >>
> >
> >No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
> >went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
> >results in our liberal school systems.
>
>
> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...

And Trump.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

In article >,
Brooklyn1 > wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:15:19 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Cheri says...
> >>
> >> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-6, BigC300 wrote:
> >> >> Total control of the United States Government
> >> >
> >> > I've lived through almost 8 years of Nixon (and some of Ford!), 8 of
> >> > Reagan and 12 of Bush's! I'll survive this!
> >> >
> >> > John Kuthe...
> >>
> >> I can top that, I lived through 4 years of Carter!
> >
> >Maybe not the best president but ten times more civilised and kind than
> >President Pussygrabber.
>
> Bruthe seems all hung up on pussy, prolly cause fags don't get any.

How soon they (conveniently) forget:

<http://lmgtfy.com/?q=clinton+monica+cigar>

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:58:39 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >> Thanks, Cindy. In our case ... each area has a choice of candidates from
> >> different parties. The party that wins the most candidates overall, becomes
> >> the government and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister. If
> >> the Prime Minister resigns for any reason, as was our case after PM David
> >> Cameron lost the referendum on Brexit, the members of parliament of the
> >> governing party vote for a new leader who then becomes Prime Minister, so
> >> our voters don't actually vote for or elect our head of government at all!
> >
> > That is not quite true. The general electorate don't vote directly
> >for the Prime Minister, but ordinary party members of each party do when
> >they elect their party's leader (from a panel of candidates selected by
> >their party's MP's)
> >
> >The membership-elected leader of the majority party becomes Prime
> >Minister.
> >
> > The Labour Party's ordinary LP members, have just re-elected Jeremy
> >Corbyn as their leader and shadow Prime Minister. Theresa May would
> >have been elected PM by the general membership of the Conservative
> >Party, but the other final-ballot PM candidate withdrew at the last
> >minute.
> >
> >
> > Janet.
> >
> >
> But it still means May was not 'elected' by the people in general.

The current rules for electing the leader of the Conservative Party
were introduced in 1998. The system gives every member of the
Conservative Party a say in the election of the leader. In brief, the
election system consists of two stages:
? Conservative Members of Parliament select a choice of two
candidates to present to the membership of the whole Party
? Party members vote, on a "one member one vote" basis, for their
preferred candidate from a shortlist of two.

The previous PM, David Cameron, was elected as PM that way, by
ordinary voters.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/david-...-after-brexit-
referendum-next-prime-minister-will-be-chosen-by-party-activists-2016-6

The current Leader of the Labour Party was elected by ordinary
voters (he would be PM if Labour won a General Election).


Janet UK

On 11/10/2016 7:57 PM, wrote:
> May was not 'elected' by the people in general.

Boo ****ing hoo, shrew.

On 11/10/2016 8:01 PM, wrote:
> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...


Nyah nyah, etc...

On 11/10/2016 11:19 PM, sf wrote:
>> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
> And Trump.

And Clinton.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:38:31 -0700, Sqwertz >
wrote:

> On 11/10/2016 11:19 PM, sf wrote:
> >> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
> > And Trump.
>
> And Clinton.

It was de rigueur during those days.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 11/12/2016 1:08 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:38:31 -0700, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2016 11:19 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>> And Trump.
>>
>> And Clinton.
>
> It was de rigueur during those days.
>
>
and sensible if you could arrange it!

On 11/12/2016 1:08 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:38:31 -0700, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2016 11:19 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>> And Trump.
>>
>> And Clinton.
>
> It was de rigueur during those days.
>
>
Then why mention it now?

On 11/12/2016 1:37 PM, graham wrote:
> On 11/12/2016 1:08 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:38:31 -0700, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 11:19 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>>> And Trump.
>>>
>>> And Clinton.
>>
>> It was de rigueur during those days.
>>
>>
> and sensible if you could arrange it!

Spoken like one from canaduh.

On 11/10/2016 10:01 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:56:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2016 3:00 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:47:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:30:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> but first we have to go to war.
>>>>
>>>> You can bet your bippy that they'll ramp it up in the middle east and
>>>> throw more American bodies at it.
>>>
>>> With GOPers in control, you can be sure it won't be their sons and
>>> daughters that go to the fight
>>>
>>
>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>> results in our liberal school systems.
>
>
> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>
Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
President.

Jill

On 2016-11-13 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>>> results in our liberal school systems.
>>
>>
>> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>
> Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
> President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
> at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
> soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
> President.
>

There were news reports a dozen or so years ago about the small number
of federal politicians who had family members in the military.

I was struck by the hypocrisy of Republican groups who smeared John
Kerry over his war record. The man had volunteered for service and
volunteered for the more hazardous Swift Boat duty. He was was awarded
medals for bravery and he was wounded. He was quite candid about his
wounds being minor but using the three wound rule to get out because he
did not like what was going on. Meanwhile, the Republican's guy had
managed to get assigned to a unit that was unlikely to be sent over to
Vietnam and apparently found a way to get out of that.

On 11/13/2016 12:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-11-13 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>>>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>>>> results in our liberal school systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>>
>> Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
>> President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
>> at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
>> soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
>> President.
>>
>
> There were news reports a dozen or so years ago about the small number
> of federal politicians who had family members in the military.
>
> I was struck by the hypocrisy of Republican groups who smeared John
> Kerry over his war record. The man had volunteered for service and
> volunteered for the more hazardous Swift Boat duty. He was was awarded
> medals for bravery and he was wounded. He was quite candid about his
> wounds being minor but using the three wound rule to get out because he
> did not like what was going on. Meanwhile, the Republican's guy had
> managed to get assigned to a unit that was unlikely to be sent over to
> Vietnam and apparently found a way to get out of that.
>
>
Okay... but it's such OLD HISTORY now. Just as my father served as a
Marine on a Navy Ship in WWII, the U.S.S. General M.L. Hersey.

It is 2016. Whether or not they went through such battles has little to
do with what is going on right now. And yes, Dave, we know your father
was shot down and you found his grave.

It has very little to do with my thinking about who I voted for. Ever

Jill

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:05:21 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-11-13 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>>>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>>>> results in our liberal school systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>>
>> Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
>> President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
>> at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
>> soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
>> President.
>>
>
>There were news reports a dozen or so years ago about the small number
>of federal politicians who had family members in the military.
>
>I was struck by the hypocrisy of Republican groups who smeared John
>Kerry over his war record. The man had volunteered for service and
>volunteered for the more hazardous Swift Boat duty. He was was awarded
>medals for bravery and he was wounded. He was quite candid about his
>wounds being minor but using the three wound rule to get out because he
>did not like what was going on. Meanwhile, the Republican's guy had
>managed to get assigned to a unit that was unlikely to be sent over to
>Vietnam and apparently found a way to get out of that.
>
Good job my father didn't evade what he considered his duty or the
Americans would have lost Eisenhower on DDay, my father was the guy
who rescued him after Ikes ship ran itself aground My father
confiscated his flag, that's at the museum in Edinburgh and my fathers
flag is right here on the wall beside me.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:20:45 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/13/2016 12:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-11-13 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>>>>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>>>>> results in our liberal school systems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>>>
>>> Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
>>> President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
>>> at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
>>> soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
>>> President.
>>>
>>
>> There were news reports a dozen or so years ago about the small number
>> of federal politicians who had family members in the military.
>>
>> I was struck by the hypocrisy of Republican groups who smeared John
>> Kerry over his war record. The man had volunteered for service and
>> volunteered for the more hazardous Swift Boat duty. He was was awarded
>> medals for bravery and he was wounded. He was quite candid about his
>> wounds being minor but using the three wound rule to get out because he
>> did not like what was going on. Meanwhile, the Republican's guy had
>> managed to get assigned to a unit that was unlikely to be sent over to
>> Vietnam and apparently found a way to get out of that.
>>
>>
>Okay... but it's such OLD HISTORY now. Just as my father served as a
>Marine on a Navy Ship in WWII, the U.S.S. General M.L. Hersey.
>
>It is 2016. Whether or not they went through such battles has little to
>do with what is going on right now. And yes, Dave, we know your father
>was shot down and you found his grave.
>
>It has very little to do with my thinking about who I voted for. Ever
>
>Jill

You're missing the point, why would you vote for a draft dodger? I
wouldn't, especially if that person got out of serving because their
Daddy could afford to make sure life continued as normal for them.

On 2016-11-13 12:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/13/2016 12:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-11-13 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>>> No children of Repubs ever went to war? Did not know that. Many Dems
>>>>> went to school to become teachers to avoid the draft. Now you see the
>>>>> results in our liberal school systems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well let's start with George Dumbya, he avoided going to Viet Nam...
>>>>
>>> Since when does serving in Viet Nam mean you're qualified to be
>>> President? My father served two tours. He was also in WWII (enlisted
>>> at age 17) and a Korean war vet. He was a career Marine, a good
>>> soldier. I loved my father but no, I wouldn't have voted for him for
>>> President.
>>>
>>
>> There were news reports a dozen or so years ago about the small number
>> of federal politicians who had family members in the military.
>>
>> I was struck by the hypocrisy of Republican groups who smeared John
>> Kerry over his war record. The man had volunteered for service and
>> volunteered for the more hazardous Swift Boat duty. He was was awarded
>> medals for bravery and he was wounded. He was quite candid about his
>> wounds being minor but using the three wound rule to get out because he
>> did not like what was going on. Meanwhile, the Republican's guy had
>> managed to get assigned to a unit that was unlikely to be sent over to
>> Vietnam and apparently found a way to get out of that.
>>
>>
> Okay... but it's such OLD HISTORY now. Just as my father served as a
> Marine on a Navy Ship in WWII, the U.S.S. General M.L. Hersey.

It's not old history. Vietnam was 50 years ago, but the hypocritical
smearing of a decorated veteran's war record by the supporters of
someone who managed to opt out was less than a decade ago.