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On 11/23/2016 1:29 PM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: >> >> We boldly go where no men have gone before - or something of that nature. I'll probably cook a turkey breast tomorrow. My plan is to make it Chinese style. What the heck is Chinese style turkey? Beats me. It probably involves 5 spice and sugar. ![]() > > According to John Kuthe, you'll be making a cheap Chinese dinner. ;-D > WTF is Bwyann? Let the feud resume. |
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Ophelia wrote:
> > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Bruce wrote: > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > constantly > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > ==== > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? I think it was called, "Good Eats." Not on any more but I did enjoy. One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. NOT TO COOK. It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. The camera was in the back of the oven. |
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"Gary" wrote in message ...
Ophelia wrote: > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Bruce wrote: > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > constantly > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > giggle > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > ==== > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? I think it was called, "Good Eats." Not on any more but I did enjoy. One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. NOT TO COOK. It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. The camera was in the back of the oven. ================ Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 3:11:05 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Bruce wrote: > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > constantly > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > ==== > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? It was a prop on a tv show set. No actual cooking happened in the oven. I imagine that the refrigerator that had the woman in it wasn't actually cold, either. Cindy Hamilton Cindy Hamilton |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > Bruce wrote: > > > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > > constantly > > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > > giggle > > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > > > ==== > > > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? > > Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? > I think it was called, "Good Eats." > Not on any more but I did enjoy. > One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. > NOT TO COOK. > It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. > The camera was in the back of the oven. > > ================ > > Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() He was very artsy in his production. The conceit was that the audience was inside the oven, and we could see him open the door, put food in, and talk to us through the oven, which no doubt was some sort of symbolic television set. (Both are a box, after all.) Cindy Hamilton |
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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 3:11:05 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Bruce wrote: > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > constantly > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > giggle > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > ==== > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? It was a prop on a tv show set. No actual cooking happened in the oven. I imagine that the refrigerator that had the woman in it wasn't actually cold, either. Cindy Hamilton =============== LOLOL -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > Bruce wrote: > > > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > > constantly > > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > > giggle > > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > > > ==== > > > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? > > Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? > I think it was called, "Good Eats." > Not on any more but I did enjoy. > One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. > NOT TO COOK. > It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. > The camera was in the back of the oven. > > ================ > > Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() He was very artsy in his production. The conceit was that the audience was inside the oven, and we could see him open the door, put food in, and talk to us through the oven, which no doubt was some sort of symbolic television set. (Both are a box, after all.) Cindy Hamilton =================== I see ... just how popular was this show??? ![]() -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 11/23/2016 3:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> They'd have people dress up as various kinds of molecules You can be methane. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message
T... In article >, Ophelia says... > > "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message > ... > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > > > I > > > > > > constantly > > > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > > > giggle > > > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > > > > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > > > > > ==== > > > > > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? > > > > Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? > > I think it was called, "Good Eats." > > Not on any more but I did enjoy. > > One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. > > NOT TO COOK. > > It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. > > The camera was in the back of the oven. > > > > ================ > > > > Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() > > He was very artsy in his production. The conceit was that > the audience was inside the oven, and we could see him open > the door, put food in, and talk to us through the oven, which > no doubt was some sort of symbolic television set. (Both are > a box, after all.) > > Cindy Hamilton > > =================== > > I see ... just how popular was this show??? > > ![]() They'd have people dress up as various kinds of molecules and horse around in front of the camera to demonstrate how an emulsion worked. Or if a food product had foreign roots, they'd have someone dress up as that foreigner and talk in a pretend foreign accent. Every show had 5 retarded minutes like that. Apart from those, it was interesting and nerdy in a good way. And quite successful, I believe. ================= Good Grief!! I will stick to Delia ![]() -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:38:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message > ... > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > > > constantly > > > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > > > giggle > > > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > > > > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > > > > > ==== > > > > > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? > > > > Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? > > I think it was called, "Good Eats." > > Not on any more but I did enjoy. > > One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. > > NOT TO COOK. > > It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. > > The camera was in the back of the oven. > > > > ================ > > > > Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() > > He was very artsy in his production. The conceit was that > the audience was inside the oven, and we could see him open > the door, put food in, and talk to us through the oven, which > no doubt was some sort of symbolic television set. (Both are > a box, after all.) > > Cindy Hamilton > > =================== > > I see ... just how popular was this show??? > > ![]() Quite popular. It ran from 1999 to 2011. In between all of the gimmicky presentation, he provided quite a lot of information. The food science stuff gave viewers a great basis for understanding ingredients and methods, rather than just giving them recipes to follow by rote. So many people nowadays have parents who didn't cook, and couldn't learn by watching their mother use available materials, recover from a mistake, or alter a recipe to suit personal preference. He did an entire hour-long show on using Thanksgiving leftovers. Cindy Hamilton |
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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:38:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message > ... > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > In article >, Ophelia says... > > > > > > > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > > > Ophelia wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahh you 'put' food in the oven too? ![]() > > > > > > I > > > > > > constantly > > > > > > read about how some 'throw' it in. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have visions of food splattered everywhere <g> > > > > > > > > > > LOL SWAP to you, ma'am! > > > > > > > > > > ================ > > > > > > > > > > Aww do you 'throw' food in the oven?? ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > It always made me giggle ![]() ![]() > > > > > giggle > > > > > about the way I describe things too, eh ![]() > > > > > > > > Jamie Oliver often bangs food in the old pan. > > > > > > Alton was the oven police. He put a camera inside of ovens. ![]() > > > > > > ==== > > > > > > Wow! Did they not bake along with the food?? > > > > Did you never watch that one series of shows he made? > > I think it was called, "Good Eats." > > Not on any more but I did enjoy. > > One unique thing he did was have a camera in the oven. > > NOT TO COOK. > > It just showed him opening the oven to put the food in. > > The camera was in the back of the oven. > > > > ================ > > > > Why did he do that? No I never saw that programme ![]() > > He was very artsy in his production. The conceit was that > the audience was inside the oven, and we could see him open > the door, put food in, and talk to us through the oven, which > no doubt was some sort of symbolic television set. (Both are > a box, after all.) > > Cindy Hamilton > > =================== > > I see ... just how popular was this show??? > > ![]() Quite popular. It ran from 1999 to 2011. In between all of the gimmicky presentation, he provided quite a lot of information. The food science stuff gave viewers a great basis for understanding ingredients and methods, rather than just giving them recipes to follow by rote. So many people nowadays have parents who didn't cook, and couldn't learn by watching their mother use available materials, recover from a mistake, or alter a recipe to suit personal preference. He did an entire hour-long show on using Thanksgiving leftovers. Cindy Hamilton ========================= Not a waste of time then ![]() it sounds) that was a Good Thing ![]() -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 11/23/2016 3:31 PM, xmdp wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 3:18:46 PM UTC-5, xmdp wrote: >> I'm looking for something a little different this year. Typically I'll dredge the roast in seasoned flour and throw it in a very hot (450F) oven for 15 minutes then lower it to 325F until medium rare. >> >> Any recommendations? > > Thanks for the great response! I'll have to try a different one each day to determine which method works best for me. :P It's difficult to imagine any of the methods producing less than a delicious dinner. > I'm a little too timid to try souse vide (I don't have the gear anyway) but have been interested for awhile now. > > Jill, I think I'm going to go with your suggestion and hope that no one opens the oven door. Perhaps I'll buy a chain. > > Thanks again, everyone and Happy Thanksgiving - wherever you are. > That method (for a 5-7 bone-in prime rib roast) has worked for me for over 30 years. The beef graduates from well done on the end to medium rare (or rare) in the middle. I remember getting into an argument with a butcher once. I said I wanted a bone-in prime rib roast. He said no, you want boneless. No, I want it on the bone. No, you don't. Yes I do, dammit! I know what I am asking for. When all is said and done the meaty beef rib bones are the makings for great beef stock. You can also turn them into nice meaty beef BBQ "ribs" if you like that sort of thing. These days they seem to cut the beef away from the bone then tie the bones back on. Doesn't make much sense to me. <shrug> I do hope the roast turns out well. Happy Thanksgiving! Jill |
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On 11/24/2016 9:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > These days they seem to cut the beef away from the bone then tie the > bones back on. Doesn't make much sense to me. <shrug> > > I do hope the roast turns out well. Happy Thanksgiving! > > Jill Convenience. I'd guess that 80% of the population could not properly slice a roast with bones attached. |
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On 11/24/2016 7:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> I remember getting into an argument with a butcher once. We ALL remember how many times you have BULLIED Julie here with heartless disregard for her mental well being and in tribute only to your own sick and hateful nature. You feckless damned shrew! |
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On 11/24/2016 2:17 AM, Bruce wrote:
> she doesn't have that childish element. **** off back to asstrailer-land, Auztard! |
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Janet wrote:
> > Astute viewers notice that on TV cooking shows,when they open the oven > moments later the dish is already fully cooked.How do they DO that, eh? Wouldn't it be nice if we could all cook things in the oven that fast? In the future you will be able to do that using the Google cooking ap. ![]() |
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On 11/24/2016 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Wouldn't it be nice if we could all cook things in the oven that fast? > In the future you will be able to do that using the Google cooking ap. > > ![]() Yes, and it'll pre-bake your future with all the personal data GooGoo has on you now. |
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On 11/24/2016 10:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/24/2016 9:55 AM, jmcquown wrote: > >> >> These days they seem to cut the beef away from the bone then tie the >> bones back on. Doesn't make much sense to me. <shrug> >> >> Jill > > Convenience. I'd guess that 80% of the population could not properly > slice a roast with bones attached. I always thought that was half the point of the bones. Cut down to the ribs then slice across to release the meat. It's a built-in guide. ![]() Jill |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:54:50 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 11/24/2016 9:55 AM, jmcquown wrote: > >> >> These days they seem to cut the beef away from the bone then tie the >> bones back on. Doesn't make much sense to me. <shrug> >> >> I do hope the roast turns out well. Happy Thanksgiving! >> >> Jill > >Convenience. I'd guess that 80% of the population could not properly >slice a roast with bones attached. It's not the rib bones that're the problem, it's the chine bone. I have the butcher saw through the chine bone, same with a bone-on pork loin... then carving is easy... otherwise trying to carve makes a mess of it and you'll leave a goodly amount of meat on the bones... you'll have meatier bones but substantially smaller portions. At fancier butcher shops they automatically saw through the chine bone but then their prices are much higher. If you ask at the supermarket they'll saw through the chine bone at no charge, at least that's been my experience. Sometimes I prefer the ribs removed... when serving guests there's less meat loss when removing the rib bones from a raw roast, and most guests are not going to gnaw the bones publicly anyway so there's even more loss.... then I'd rather have the raw rib bones for another dish, very good grilled. When tied back on I don't serve those bones, they're cook's treat. Anyways one way or another you're paying for those bones so I'd rather have the boned roast and the bones too. |
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On 11/24/2016 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Cut down to the ribs then slice across to release the meat. A lot of work for breasts as small as yours... |
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On 11/24/2016 2:21 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I just cut a whole rib bone for myself. Fatty LOVES to gorge. |
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In article >, jmcquown
> wrote: > On 11/24/2016 10:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > Convenience. I'd guess that 80% of the population could not properly > > slice a roast with bones attached. > > I always thought that was half the point of the bones. Cut down to the > ribs then slice across to release the meat. It's a built-in guide. ![]() That's what I do. The bones are repurposed for other delights. leo |
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Pressure cooker every time
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On 11/28/2016 8:38 PM, wrote:
> Pressure cooker every time > Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? |
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On 2016-11-29, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? All you get when boiling a roast is "stock" and leeched-out meat. Izzit faster? You do the math. At 15 lbs pressure, I cook at a higher temp than can be acheived at ambient pressure. I think the true question is: can you dry roast in a pressure cooker? According to my pressure cooker's official cookbook, pressure cookers can do what it calls "roasting" and "potroasting". I've yet to try it, but I even have a recipe fer baking a cheese cake in a 7" spring-form pan in my 5 qt pressure cooker. So, I gotta say yes. It IS faster than "boiling 15 minutes per pound". ![]() nb |
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On 11/28/2016 6:38 PM, wrote:
> Pressure cooker every time > <gag> |
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On 11/28/2016 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2016 8:38 PM, wrote: >> Pressure cooker every time >> > > > Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? I'm sure you were joking, Ed. Who the heck would boil a prime rib roast? Or pressure cook one, for that matter... Jill |
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On 2016-11-29 11:13 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/28/2016 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? > > I'm sure you were joking, Ed. Who the heck would boil a prime rib > roast? Or pressure cook one, for that matter... We might also ask who would buy a nice piece of steak or prime rib and cook it until it is well done. |
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On 11/29/2016 9:13 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Who the heck would boil a prime rib roast? Shut the **** UP! You thin-haired worthess bully BITCH! |
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On 11/29/2016 9:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> We might also ask You need to **** OFF AND DIE, CANUCK TRASH! |
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I've never cooked in a pressure cooker.
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On 11/29/2016 10:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-11-29 11:13 AM, jmcquown wrote: >> On 11/28/2016 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>> Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? >> >> I'm sure you were joking, Ed. Who the heck would boil a prime rib >> roast? Or pressure cook one, for that matter... > > We might also ask who would buy a nice piece of steak or prime rib and > cook it until it is well done. There are folks who boil their standing prime rib beef roasts???? That's definitely the ruination (IMNSHO) of an excellent cut of beef when it's cooked to well-done - what a waste, too! DIL prefers all her meats very well-done (big sigh). However, I refuse to cook any prime rib roast beyond rare or even medium-rare, at most! But, DIL's portions are cutomized by further cooking her slice(s) separately to "well done" in a saute pan. Easy enough that way to accommodate everyone's preferences, from very rare to quite well-done. Sky ================================ Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer! Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice! ================================ |
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On 11/29/2016 4:08 PM, Sky wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 10:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2016-11-29 11:13 AM, jmcquown wrote: >>> On 11/28/2016 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >>>> Is that faster than boiling 15 minutes per pound? >>> >>> I'm sure you were joking, Ed. Who the heck would boil a prime rib >>> roast? Or pressure cook one, for that matter... >> >> We might also ask who would buy a nice piece of steak or prime rib and >> cook it until it is well done. > > There are folks who boil their standing prime rib beef roasts???? That's > definitely the ruination (IMNSHO) of an excellent cut of beef when it's > cooked to well-done - what a waste, too! Boiling would be one notch worse than pressure cooking it. It has been a while since the boil ribs controversy too. |
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