"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> One of them is so popular he has to go on holiday alone and spends all his
> time during that holiday posting here, and the other has a poor wife he
> calls a nasty name and bitches constantly about anyone who disagrees with
> him) What a lovely pair)))))
>
> Perhaps they ought to go on holiday together ... LOLOL

OMG, hopefully nobody ends up in a handicapped space anywhere in the world
with the one, I'm just surprised he hasn't traveled to the Seattle area to
deal misery there in person. ;-)

Cheri

On 11/29/2016 11:13 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> One of them is so popular he has to go on holiday alone and spends all
>> his time during that holiday posting here, and the other has a poor
>> wife he calls a nasty name and bitches constantly about anyone who
>> disagrees with him) What a lovely pair)))))
>>
>> Perhaps they ought to go on holiday together ... LOLOL
>
> OMG, hopefully nobody ends up in a handicapped space anywhere in the
> world with the one, I'm just surprised he hasn't traveled to the Seattle
> area to deal misery there in person. ;-)
>
> Cheri

Laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh!!!

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:59:22 -0800, isw wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> >
> >> I mostly disagree with this. The vacuum seal is important so there is
> >> no air space in the bag. Air space means you're not getting
> >> consistent contact with the heat from the water.
> >
> > A little air just doesn't matter. At worst, it *might* increase the
> > *minimum* time needed to cook the food, but one of the beauties of sous
> > vide is that, within pretty broad limits, above the minimum time needed
> > to heat the food all the way through, *cooking time does not matter*.
>
> Time most certainly DOES matter.

I think you missed that part about "within pretty broad limits", which
was referring to a cook-but-don't-tenderize interval. My understanding
is that anything up to about 4-5 hours won't do much tenderizing.

> Try cooking short ribs, for example,
> for 4 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, and 72 hours. The differences are
> drastic and well documented on several authority sites and books. I
> was gonna do short ribs tonight but they didn't have any, so I got
> chuck roast instead. There are basically two different camps on that
> one - 24 and 48 hours. I haven't decided yet (still have at least 20
> hours to decide that).

I understand that it's just a matter of what texture you want, so you
may just have to try both. One really nice thing about sous vide is the
repeatability -- once you find out which you prefer, you can do it every
time.

I'v not yet done short ribs, but I did do a chuck "steak" for 24 hours,
and it turned out decently tender but not mushy. Early on I did a tender
cut (some steak; I forget) for eight or ten hours, and it was definitely
too mushy.

> > So, you slowly lower the bag into the water, getting as much of the air
> > out as you can, and plan on letting the food cook for an additional
> > 15-20 minutes beyond the absolute minimum time. That's all.
>
> Do you vacuum seal or use ziplocks?

I've used both, but for under 4 hours or so, I've been using the thin
plastic bags that you fill with produce at the grocery. Just burp 'em
out, lower the food, and hang the open top over the edge of the cooker
holding it in place with the lid. No problems, but I do inflate them
like a balloon and give a squeeze first to make sure they don't leak.

> My chuck roast has been in there
> for 4 hours and has developed about 1 cubic inch of air in the bag.
> Is that normal for vacuum sealed bags?

I don't know, but if it's really a sealed bag, then getting that air out
would be a problem. With a zip-lok, giving it a burp is easy.

For the past three years, I've done the St. Pat's Day corned beef sous
vide, 155 F for 24 hours. First time I re-bagged the beef, but the other
two times I just used the vac-pack the brisket came in (which mfgr. says
is OK). First time it worked fine. Second time, last year, the bag
swelled up after about 12 hours -- no idea why, but I'm sure glad I
noticed before it exploded 8^(

The Modernist Cuisine folks say that you should use thicker bags for
long cooking.

> Now it floats, so I had to rig
> up some tongs to keep it submerged. Otherwise the whole top of the
> roast was not submerged - which I don't think is good over the course
> of 24 to 48 hours.

Nor even for shorter periods. I have a sort of wire-frame thing that
sits in the lid of the pot I use for S-V, and that holds things down if
they try to get out.

But again, as long as *most* of the air is gone and the meat is
submerged, I can't see how a bubble or two could matter other than to
*slightly* increase the heat transfer time.

Isaac

In article >, dsi1 > wrote:

> On 11/28/2016 6:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1
> > says...
> >>
> >> The Chinese are well versed with the concept of double cooking,
> >> sometimes they triple cooked a dish. Deep-frying, braising, and
> >> steaming. The idea never quite caught on with Westerners, who want to
> >> stick with a single cooking method at all times. It's time we got a
> >> little more sophisticated and logical in our cooking. Yay!
> >
> > Do you suggest triple-cooking hamburgers, hotdogs and apple pie?
> >
>
> I suggest that you double cook pork chops. The chops come out more
> tender and juicer than any beef steak you've ever had. That's an amazing
> pork chop right there!

Sous vide, say 145 F for 2-4 hours, followed by a quick sear in a
ripping hot iron skillet. Did some 1.5 inch-thick cold-smoked boneless
chops that way the other night. Everybody thought they were excellent.

Isaac

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> In article >,
> Roy > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > >
> > > ===================
> > >
> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>
> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>
> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> tough and dry.
>
> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>
> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> starting temperature.
>
> Isaac

I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the different items one cooks.
For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times. Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by any means.
======

"Roy" wrote in message
...

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> In article >,
> Roy > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > >
> > > ===================
> > >
> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>
> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>
> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> tough and dry.
>
> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>
> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> starting temperature.
>
> Isaac

I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the
fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the
different items one cooks.
For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by any
means.
======

Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????


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In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Roy > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > > >
> > > > ===================
> > > >
> > > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> > >
> > > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
> >
> > Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> > steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> > wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
> >
> > Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> > tough and dry.
> >
> > Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
> >
> > It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> > starting temperature.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the
> fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the
> different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by any
> means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????

lol

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Roy > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > > >
> > > > ===================
> > > >
> > > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> > >
> > > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
> >
> > Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> > steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> > wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
> >
> > Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> > tough and dry.
> >
> > Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
> >
> > It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> > starting temperature.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the
> fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the
> different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
> any
> means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????

lol

====================

*rolls eyes*



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On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:13:00 PM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Roy > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > > >
> > > > ===================
> > > >
> > > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> > >
> > > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
> >
> > Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> > steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> > wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
> >
> > Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> > tough and dry.
> >
> > Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
> >
> > It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> > starting temperature.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the
> fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the
> different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by any
> means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>
Of course not...but you'd have to agree that it involves a lot of planning ahead. For a single person, I'd say it probably wouldn't be worth it on
a regular basis. However, if I was retired and had a loving mate to share it with...no doubt it would be quite do-able.

Carry-on...Winter is coming...PREPARE.
=====

On 11/30/2016 12:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Roy > wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > >
>> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
>> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
>> > >
>> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
>> > >
>> > > ===================
>> > >
>> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
>> > >
>> > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> >
>> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>>
>> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
>> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
>> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>>
>> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
>> tough and dry.
>>
>> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>>
>> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
>> starting temperature.
>>
>> Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just
> the fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for
> all the different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
> any means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>
>

That part is essential in sous vide cooking, since a watched pot never
boils.

"Roy" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:13:00 PM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Roy > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
> > > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
> > > >
> > > > ===================
> > > >
> > > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> > >
> > > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
> >
> > Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
> > steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
> > wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
> >
> > Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
> > tough and dry.
> >
> > Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
> >
> > It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
> > starting temperature.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just the
> fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for all the
> different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
> any
> means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>
Of course not...but you'd have to agree that it involves a lot of planning
ahead. For a single person, I'd say it probably wouldn't be worth it on
a regular basis. However, if I was retired and had a loving mate to share it
with...no doubt it would be quite do-able.

Carry-on...Winter is coming...PREPARE.
=====

===================

I might agree if I cooked ONE steak or ONE chicken leg at a time.


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"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message news
On 11/30/2016 12:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Roy" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Roy > wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > >
>> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
>> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
>> > >
>> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
>> > >
>> > > ===================
>> > >
>> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
>> > >
>> > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> >
>> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>>
>> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
>> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
>> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>>
>> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
>> tough and dry.
>>
>> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>>
>> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
>> starting temperature.
>>
>> Isaac
>
> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just
> the fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for
> all the different items one cooks.
> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
> any means.
> ======
>
> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>
>

That part is essential in sous vide cooking, since a watched pot never
boils.

===============

My machine get itself up to temp and hold it at that temp until the time is
finished.


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On 11/30/2016 1:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message news >
> On 11/30/2016 12:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Roy" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Roy > wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
>>> > > ...
>>> > >
>>> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
>>> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
>>> > >
>>> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
>>> > >
>>> > > ===================
>>> > >
>>> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
>>> > >
>>> > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>> >
>>> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>>>
>>> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
>>> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
>>> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>>>
>>> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
>>> tough and dry.
>>>
>>> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>>>
>>> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
>>> starting temperature.
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>
>> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just
>> the fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for
>> all the different items one cooks.
>> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
>> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
>> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
>> any means.
>> ======
>>
>> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>>
>>
>
> That part is essential in sous vide cooking, since a watched pot never
> boils.
>
> ===============
>
> My machine get itself up to temp and hold it at that temp until the time
> is finished.
>
>

whoosh!

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message news
On 11/30/2016 1:01 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message news >
> On 11/30/2016 12:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Roy" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:26:04 AM UTC-7, isw wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Roy > wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:05:08 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > > "Seymore4Head" wrote in message
>>> > > ...
>>> > >
>>> > > It looks good. Anyone tried it? What is the point of vacuum seal?
>>> > > Would it work to just boil it in a non air tight bag?
>>> > >
>>> > > https://youtu.be/QO_V3h14Fyc?t=200
>>> > >
>>> > > ===================
>>> > >
>>> > > Sous vide does not boil. It hold the temperature you set.
>>> > >
>>> > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>> >
>>> > Seems to me that Sous Vide is just an unnecessary step in food prep.
>>>
>>> Not at all. It lets a domestic cook who *doesn't* do twenty identical
>>> steaks a day, day in and day out, produce a perfectly cooked
>>> wall-to-wall medium-rare steak *every time*.
>>>
>>> Or totally-safe-to-eat chicken breasts that aren't cooked until they're
>>> tough and dry.
>>>
>>> Or (probably) the best salmon you've ever had at home.
>>>
>>> It takes all the unpredictability out of varying thicknesses of meat, or
>>> starting temperature.
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>
>> I'm not disputing the quality of the cooked food or the process. Just
>> the fact that it involves so much time and effort if used everyday for
>> all the different items one cooks.
>> For the working person, it means being involved 24 hours a day at times.
>> Getting one's sustenance becomes a long procession of involvement. Not
>> everyone wants to put out the effort. It certainly isn't "fast food" by
>> any means.
>> ======
>>
>> Do you think we have to stand over it for hours while it cooks????
>>
>>
>
> That part is essential in sous vide cooking, since a watched pot never
> boils.
>
> ===============
>
> My machine get itself up to temp and hold it at that temp until the time
> is finished.
>
>

whoosh!

================

Whoosh indeed.
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On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:

> Of course not...but you'd have to agree that it involves a lot of planning ahead. For a single person, I'd say it probably wouldn't be worth it on
> a regular basis. However, if I was retired and had a loving mate to share it with...no doubt it would be quite do-able.

I've always felt it seemed a little fussy. I'm content just to slap
my steak on a ripping hot grill and live with the fact that it's
not medium-rare edge-to-edge.

Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:


>Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.

Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.

On 11/30/2016 2:59 PM, Je�us wrote:
> Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast,

Choke to death on it, Autard.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>
> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.

Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
====

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>
>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>
>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>====

Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>
>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>
>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>====
>
>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).

Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>
>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>
>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>====
>>
>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>
>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.

I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
significantly.

As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.

In article >, Roy
says...
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
> > >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
> > >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
> > >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
> >
> > Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
> > mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
> > beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>
> Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages.

How does Swiss chard relate to silverbeet?

> I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.

Mental?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 9:00:17 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Roy
> says...
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> > > On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
> > > >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
> > > >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
> > > >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
> > >
> > > Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
> > > mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
> > > beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
> >
> > Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages.
>
> How does Swiss chard relate to silverbeet?
>
> > I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>
> Mental?
No not mental...that's your weakness unfortunately.
====

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:

> Of course not...but you'd have to agree that it involves a lot of planning
> ahead. For a single person, I'd say it probably wouldn't be worth it on
> a regular basis. However, if I was retired and had a loving mate to share
> it with...no doubt it would be quite do-able.

I've always felt it seemed a little fussy. I'm content just to slap
my steak on a ripping hot grill and live with the fact that it's
not medium-rare edge-to-edge.

Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.

Cindy Hamilton
=================

Horses for courses. I love to cook so for me, it is not in the least
fussy.
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>====
>>>
>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>
>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>
>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>significantly.
>
>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.

Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
I've bought from:
http://www.servicecaster.com/
http://shepherdcasters.com/
Also from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
ruin the chair pads.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>====
>>>>
>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>
>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>
>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>significantly.
>>
>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>
>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>I've bought from:
>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>Also from Amazon:
>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>ruin the chair pads.

Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
Janet US

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>
>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>I've bought from:
>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>Also from Amazon:
>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters

No doubt there are ready made options too if Roy would prefer not to
DIY too.

>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>ruin the chair pads.

Are chair pads those little cups that the wheels fit in or something?

I have (had?) a bunch of herbs in pots on the verandah here, I don't
know what Mum did to them while I was away on holidays but most are
dead as a doornail... sigh. The soil feels right moisture. Oh
well, looks like back to the nursery again to start over.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.

That's a really nice deck garden you have there Janet. A nice place to
relax.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:34:14 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>
>That's a really nice deck garden you have there Janet. A nice place to
>relax.

Thanks. Late, late summer and everything looks a bit scrawny but all
my herbs, peppers and flowers are in there somewhere
Janet US

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>====
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>
>>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>
>>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>significantly.
>>>
>>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>
>>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>I've bought from:
>>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>Also from Amazon:
>>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>ruin the chair pads.
>
>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>Janet US

Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:18:54 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>>====
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>>
>>>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>>
>>>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>>significantly.
>>>>
>>>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>>
>>>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>>I've bought from:
>>>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>>Also from Amazon:
>>>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>>ruin the chair pads.
>>
>>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>>Janet US
>
>Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
>handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
>you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
>looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
>http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html

I had serious health issues "when" I started 10 years ago. I started
with a pot of petunias, parsley and a geranium. initially it was to
attract hummingbirds to watch. Time passed, garden grew. I thank you
for the compliment. That's my daughter. She started a program in
Haiti right after the big earthquake. She is working with villagers
in the hills to establish from seed, shade coffee groves to bolster
their income. (currently, her high school senior son is putting
together a DNA profile of some ancient coffee trees that are there
with a view to locating more of the same) She makes many trips a
year and annually takes a group of her university students along. Her
2 sons go along as well. Everyone works for 2 weeks. It's a good
way, a better way, to demonstrate the issues of poor countries and
poor people.
Janet US

On 12/1/2016 4:36 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> That's my daughter.

Yet you used to pretend here that it was YOU!

> She started a program in
> Haiti right after the big earthquake.

One of those one the Klintoon Foundation used oto enrich their cronies with?

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:36:57 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:18:54 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>>>====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>>>significantly.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>>>
>>>>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>>>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>>>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>>>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>>>I've bought from:
>>>>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>>>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>>>Also from Amazon:
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>>>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>>>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>>>ruin the chair pads.
>>>
>>>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
>>handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
>>you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
>>looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
>>http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html
>
>I had serious health issues "when" I started 10 years ago. I started
>with a pot of petunias, parsley and a geranium. initially it was to
>attract hummingbirds to watch. Time passed, garden grew. I thank you
>for the compliment. That's my daughter. She started a program in
>Haiti right after the big earthquake. She is working with villagers
>in the hills to establish from seed, shade coffee groves to bolster
>their income. (currently, her high school senior son is putting
>together a DNA profile of some ancient coffee trees that are there
>with a view to locating more of the same) She makes many trips a
>year and annually takes a group of her university students along. Her
>2 sons go along as well. Everyone works for 2 weeks. It's a good
>way, a better way, to demonstrate the issues of poor countries and
>poor people.
>Janet US

Kudos to your daughter for her great humanitarian deeds... tell her
from me she's hot@.

Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
but true.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:33:55 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:36:57 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:18:54 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>>>>====
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>>>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>>>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>>>>significantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>>>>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>>>>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>>>>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>>>>I've bought from:
>>>>>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>>>>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>>>>Also from Amazon:
>>>>>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>>>>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>>>>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>>>>ruin the chair pads.
>>>>
>>>>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>>>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>>>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>>>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>>>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>>>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>>>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>>>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>>>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>>>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>>>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>>>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>>>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
>>>handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
>>>you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
>>>looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
>>>http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html
>>
>>I had serious health issues "when" I started 10 years ago. I started
>>with a pot of petunias, parsley and a geranium. initially it was to
>>attract hummingbirds to watch. Time passed, garden grew. I thank you
>>for the compliment. That's my daughter. She started a program in
>>Haiti right after the big earthquake. She is working with villagers
>>in the hills to establish from seed, shade coffee groves to bolster
>>their income. (currently, her high school senior son is putting
>>together a DNA profile of some ancient coffee trees that are there
>>with a view to locating more of the same) She makes many trips a
>>year and annually takes a group of her university students along. Her
>>2 sons go along as well. Everyone works for 2 weeks. It's a good
>>way, a better way, to demonstrate the issues of poor countries and
>>poor people.
>>Janet US
>
>Kudos to your daughter for her great humanitarian deeds... tell her
>from me she's hot@.
>
>Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
>only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
>your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
>elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
>but true.

I don't agree. These people sell/will sell their coffee and put the
money in their pockets. They are learning farming and soil techniques
that will benefit them long term. The Haiti side of the land is
virtually tree free. All have been burned for fuel. The soil is thin
and doesn't support much at all. My daughter is working for the long
term improvement. Such an approach takes away dependency on
government. (I hope)
Janet US

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:26:38 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:33:55 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:36:57 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:18:54 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>>>>>> >probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> >feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>> >hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>>>>>====
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>>>>>chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>>>>>it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>>>>>my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>>>>>with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>>>>>deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>>>>>tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>>>>>sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>>>>>aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>>>>>significantly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>>>>>start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>>>>>and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>>>>>scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>>>>>I've bought from:
>>>>>>http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>>>>>http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>>>>>Also from Amazon:
>>>>>>https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>>>>>I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>>>>>diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>>>>>ruin the chair pads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>>>>I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>>>>very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>>>>nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>>>>Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>>>>all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>>>>are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>>>>at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>>>>those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>>>>http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>>>>There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>>>>mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>>>>much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>>>>>Janet US
>>>>
>>>>Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
>>>>handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
>>>>you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
>>>>looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
>>>>http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html
>>>
>>>I had serious health issues "when" I started 10 years ago. I started
>>>with a pot of petunias, parsley and a geranium. initially it was to
>>>attract hummingbirds to watch. Time passed, garden grew. I thank you
>>>for the compliment. That's my daughter. She started a program in
>>>Haiti right after the big earthquake. She is working with villagers
>>>in the hills to establish from seed, shade coffee groves to bolster
>>>their income. (currently, her high school senior son is putting
>>>together a DNA profile of some ancient coffee trees that are there
>>>with a view to locating more of the same) She makes many trips a
>>>year and annually takes a group of her university students along. Her
>>>2 sons go along as well. Everyone works for 2 weeks. It's a good
>>>way, a better way, to demonstrate the issues of poor countries and
>>>poor people.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Kudos to your daughter for her great humanitarian deeds... tell her
>>from me she's hot@.
>>
>>Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
>>only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
>>your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
>>elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
>>but true.
>
>I don't agree. These people sell/will sell their coffee and put the
>money in their pockets. They are learning farming and soil techniques
>that will benefit them long term. The Haiti side of the land is
>virtually tree free. All have been burned for fuel. The soil is thin
>and doesn't support much at all. My daughter is working for the long
>term improvement. Such an approach takes away dependency on
>government. (I hope)
>Janet US

I also hope your daughter suceeds.

On 2016-12-02 3:26 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:33:55 -0500, Brooklyn1

>> Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
>> only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
>> your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
>> elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
>> but true.
>
> I don't agree. These people sell/will sell their coffee and put the
> money in their pockets. They are learning farming and soil techniques
> that will benefit them long term. The Haiti side of the land is
> virtually tree free. All have been burned for fuel. The soil is thin
> and doesn't support much at all. My daughter is working for the long
> term improvement. Such an approach takes away dependency on
> government. (I hope)


It is pretty much a doomed society as a result of years of corruption
and incompetent leadership. They have denuded their forests to make
charcoal for fuel so there is nothing to hold back the soil. The silt
has clogged their waterways and destroyed their fishery. There was a
devastating hurricane there last month but there was little damage to
the buildings that had been constructed with the billions of dollars in
reconstruction funding they got after the earthquake because there had
been nothing built with all that money they had been given.

On 12/2/2016 5:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-02 3:26 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:33:55 -0500, Brooklyn1
>
>>> Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
>>> only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
>>> your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
>>> elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
>>> but true.
>>
>> I don't agree. These people sell/will sell their coffee and put the
>> money in their pockets. They are learning farming and soil techniques
>> that will benefit them long term. The Haiti side of the land is
>> virtually tree free. All have been burned for fuel. The soil is thin
>> and doesn't support much at all. My daughter is working for the long
>> term improvement. Such an approach takes away dependency on
>> government. (I hope)
>
>
> It is pretty much a doomed society as a result of years of corruption
> and incompetent leadership. They have denuded their forests to make
> charcoal for fuel so there is nothing to hold back the soil. The silt
> has clogged their waterways and destroyed their fishery. There was a
> devastating hurricane there last month but there was little damage to
> the buildings that had been constructed with the billions of dollars in
> reconstruction funding they got after the earthquake because there had
> been nothing built with all that money they had been given.
>

And they live in fear that Bill and Hillary will return to "help" them
again.

On 12/1/2016 8:33 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:36:57 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:18:54 -0500, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:53:07 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 11:44:05 -0500, Brooklyn1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:51:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:38:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:01:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0800 (PST), Roy >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:59:15 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:40:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tonight's dinner: leftover grilled, skinless, boneless chicken breast,
>>>>>>>>>>> probably sliced and served on a salad of some sort. Or, if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> feeling really low-energy, sliced and dropped into a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>> hot, buttered, nuked, previously frozen green beans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice. Tonight we're having a small pork rolled roast, probably with
>>>>>>>>>> mashed potato, garlic and some fresh chives, baby broad beans (fava
>>>>>>>>>> beans) and rainbow chard from the garden.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds great...I haven't had Swiss Chard for ages. I miss gardening but my health problems kind of interfered.
>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks. Shame that health issues have stopped any gardening for you,
>>>>>>>> chard is very easy to grow (but I'm sure you know that).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chard is easy to grow but a lot of physical labor to harvest because
>>>>>>> it's on the ground... however chard grows well in large pots. Many of
>>>>>>> my neighbors are elderly and/or not in good health however they garden
>>>>>>> with raised beds. Chard will grow well in window boxes on a
>>>>>>> deck/patio. Container gardening is very popular. It's easy to grow
>>>>>>> tomatoes, peppers, etc, in a bale hay in a plastic trash bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've decided to convert most of my vegetable garden to raised beds
>>>>>> sometime next year. My lower back isn't great (digging definitely
>>>>>> aggravates it) plus raised beds will reduce the amount of weeding
>>>>>> significantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you say, Roy could possibly grow chard in pots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not knowing the nature of Roy's health limitations I would suggest he
>>>>> start small. perhaps a couple of five gallon contractor's buckets...
>>>>> and those can be set on dollies.. easy to fabricate ones own with some
>>>>> scrap lumber and some casters/wheels from a hardware store or on line,
>>>>> I've bought from:
>>>>> http://www.servicecaster.com/
>>>>> http://shepherdcasters.com/
>>>>> Also from Amazon:
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&pag...rd%20ca sters
>>>>> I've changed the casters on our computer chairs to a wider and larger
>>>>> diameter, the casters that come with computer chairs are too teeny and
>>>>> ruin the chair pads.
>>>>
>>>> Deck gardening is simple and rewarding. I started my deck garden when
>>>> I was very ill. You can sit for everything you need to do. Very,
>>>> very little weeding is needed. My source of pots was my local
>>>> nursery/garden center. They always have pots they are discarding.
>>>> Lots of the pots had trees in them and therefore are fairly large. But
>>>> all size pots are available. The springy, coiled hoses to carry water
>>>> are a blessing for a deck garden. You can add a water turnoff right
>>>> at your feet on the deck. All you really need is someone to carry
>>>> those initial bags of potting soil to you from your vehicle.
>>>> http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4knee7zu.jpg
>>>> There are more pots out of the photo on left and right. Everything is
>>>> mixed together. I'm going to cut back in 2017. It has grown much,
>>>> much bigger than seen here. I've got to exercise some restraint.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Looks very nice but a lot more than someone with health issues can
>>> handle. I clicked through all your photos, if that's you in Haiti
>>> you're hot!@ You can do a whole lot better than that ancient
>>> looking Bubba Clinton. hehe
>>> http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/ge...4bc12.jpg.html
>>
>> I had serious health issues "when" I started 10 years ago. I started
>> with a pot of petunias, parsley and a geranium. initially it was to
>> attract hummingbirds to watch. Time passed, garden grew. I thank you
>> for the compliment. That's my daughter. She started a program in
>> Haiti right after the big earthquake. She is working with villagers
>> in the hills to establish from seed, shade coffee groves to bolster
>> their income. (currently, her high school senior son is putting
>> together a DNA profile of some ancient coffee trees that are there
>> with a view to locating more of the same) She makes many trips a
>> year and annually takes a group of her university students along. Her
>> 2 sons go along as well. Everyone works for 2 weeks. It's a good
>> way, a better way, to demonstrate the issues of poor countries and
>> poor people.
>> Janet US
>
> Kudos to your daughter for her great humanitarian deeds... tell her
> from me she's hot@.
>
I used to congratulate her on that pic too - of course she took the
compliment even KNOWING as it was given that she was a deceiver, that
she was taking personal credit for her own DAUGHTER!

That's the moral fiber of THIS fteid group on full display.

Deceivers ALL!~

> Of course I hope you realize that the people of Haiti are impoverished
> only due to the the elitists who run the show, any economic benefits
> your daughter's efforts impart will only go into the coffers of the
> elites, nothing your daughter does will benefit the poor folk. Sad
> but true.

Very true:

http://www.againstcronycapitalism.or...ribe-me-video/

https://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/h...ss-to-hillary/

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...s-in-haiti.php

On 12/2/2016 6:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> My daughter is working for the long
>> term improvement. Such an approach takes away dependency on
>> government. (I hope)
>> Janet US
> I also hope your daughter suceeds.


How do you feel about her taking credit for that picture when _I_
complimented her on it?

She actually was willing to use her own daughter to get a stroke!


How ****ing messed up is THAT???