Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
heats from the inside out? 8|

nb

In article >, notbob says...
>
> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> heats from the inside out? 8|

That's not my experience either, but why were we always told that?

On 30 Nov 2016 23:31:22 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> heats from the inside out? 8|
>
> nb

Nobody cares as long as it gets the job done.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

In article >, sf says...
>
> On 30 Nov 2016 23:31:22 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> > heats from the inside out? 8|
> >
> > nb
>
> Nobody cares as long as it gets the job done.

Don't say that. If you're heating up a plate of food and you want to
test if it's all hot, where do you poke your finger? The middle or the
edge?

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:52:39 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, sf says...
>>
>> On 30 Nov 2016 23:31:22 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>> > heats from the inside out? 8|
>> >
>> > nb
>>
>> Nobody cares as long as it gets the job done.
>
>Don't say that. If you're heating up a plate of food and you want to
>test if it's all hot, where do you poke your finger? The middle or the
>edge?

the bottom of the plate in the center
Janet US

In article > ,
Bruce > wrote:

> In article >, notbob says...
> >
> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> > heats from the inside out? 8|
>
> That's not my experience either, but why were we always told that?

Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?

On 2016-12-01, Mark Storkamp > wrote:

> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?

WTF still eats Pop-Tarts!?

nb

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 9:01:51 AM UTC-5, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article > ,
> Bruce > wrote:
>
> > In article >, notbob says...
> > >
> > > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> > > heats from the inside out? 8|
> >
> > That's not my experience either, but why were we always told that?
>
> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?

I haven't, but although it seems like pop-tarts heat from the inside
out, it's just the thermodynamics of the sugar inside. A toasted
pop-tart feels hotter on the inside than the outside, too.

I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
then.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> then.


Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > then.
>
>
> Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.

I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
mothers cooking proper meals for their children.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
Mark Storkamp says...
>
> In article > ,
> Bruce > wrote:
>
> > In article >, notbob says...
> > >
> > > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> > > heats from the inside out? 8|
> >
> > That's not my experience either, but why were we always told that?
>
> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?

No, I don't know what that is.

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 05:30:12 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >,
>Mark Storkamp says...
>>
>> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?
>
>No, I don't know what that is.

http://tinyurl.com/ze84eu3

notbob wrote:
>
> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> heats from the inside out?


Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
cheese heats first.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:55:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > > then.
> >
> >
> > Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> > things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> > when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
>
> I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
> cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
> mothers cooking proper meals for their children.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got to be one of the greatest food invention ever.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 5:38:52 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > then.
>
>
> Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.

My guess it's because you don't have a couple of hungry little brats at home and don't have to work two jobs.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>>
>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>> heats from the inside out?
>
>
>Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>cheese heats first.

Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
doubt the fat heats up the quickest.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 05:30:12 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >Mark Storkamp says...
> >>
> >> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?
> >
> >No, I don't know what that is.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ze84eu3

Lovely!

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 06:17:30 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 05:30:12 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> >Mark Storkamp says...
>> >>
>> >> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?
>> >
>> >No, I don't know what that is.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ze84eu3
>
>Lovely!


Not!

On 2016-12-01, dsi1 > wrote:

> Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a
> couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got
> to be one of the greatest food invention ever.

You mean like Spam?

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 2:12:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:55:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > > > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > > > then.
> > >
> > >
> > > Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> > > things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> > > when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
> >
> > I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
> > cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
> > mothers cooking proper meals for their children.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got to be one of the greatest food invention ever.

My single mother worked only one job, and she deemed poptarts as too
expensive except as an occasional treat. Once I was tall enough
to reach everything, I made my own cold cereal for breakfast.
Once I was a little older, I occasionally did eggs and toast.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-12-01 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>> heats from the inside out?
>>
>>
>> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>> cheese heats first.
>
> Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
> doubt the fat heats up the quickest.

From what I read, they work by exciting molecules and producing heat.
For some reason, they work faster on liquids than then do on solids,
which is why they sometimes seem to work from the inside out. The pop
tart was a good example because the outside crust is mostly flour and
fat while the inside has more liquid. It heats up faster in the middle
because of the liquid.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 2:58:19 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-01 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> notbob wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> >>> heats from the inside out?
> >>
> >>
> >> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
> >> cheese heats first.
> >
> > Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
> > doubt the fat heats up the quickest.
>
> From what I read, they work by exciting molecules and producing heat.
> For some reason, they work faster on liquids than then do on solids,
> which is why they sometimes seem to work from the inside out. The pop
> tart was a good example because the outside crust is mostly flour and
> fat while the inside has more liquid. It heats up faster in the middle
> because of the liquid.

Many "solids" have a lot of entrained air. Not much contact between
molecules bumping against each other.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 9:34:57 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-01, dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a
> > couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got
> > to be one of the greatest food invention ever.
>
> You mean like Spam?

Oh, I don't know... perhaps... Nutella?

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 9:39:59 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 2:12:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:55:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > > > > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > > > > then.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> > > > things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> > > > when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
> > > cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
> > > mothers cooking proper meals for their children.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got to be one of the greatest food invention ever.
>
> My single mother worked only one job, and she deemed poptarts as too
> expensive except as an occasional treat. Once I was tall enough
> to reach everything, I made my own cold cereal for breakfast.
> Once I was a little older, I occasionally did eggs and toast.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The little kids learn to take care of themselves when they have to. Resilient little things.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 9:58:19 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-01 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> notbob wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> >>> heats from the inside out?
> >>
> >>
> >> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
> >> cheese heats first.
> >
> > Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
> > doubt the fat heats up the quickest.
>
> From what I read, they work by exciting molecules and producing heat.
> For some reason, they work faster on liquids than then do on solids,
> which is why they sometimes seem to work from the inside out. The pop
> tart was a good example because the outside crust is mostly flour and
> fat while the inside has more liquid. It heats up faster in the middle
> because of the liquid.

Fats will heat up in a microwave - either the fat has water in them or fat has polar molecules. Water has a slight polarity and that's enough cause them to vibrate in the microwaves's electronic field. Fat may heat up faster than water but they also can reach a higher temperature - water pretty much can't go above boiling point.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:12:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:55:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
>> > > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
>> > > then.
>> >
>> >
>> > Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
>> > things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
>> > when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
>>
>> I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
>> cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
>> mothers cooking proper meals for their children.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Anything that needs no refrigeration and can be warmed up in a couple of minutes and flung at the brats to keep 'em quiet has got to be one of the greatest food invention ever.

'Zactly, my grands love that garbage.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:15:07 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>> heats from the inside out?
>>
>>
>>Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>>cheese heats first.
>
>Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
>doubt the fat heats up the quickest.

Actually microwaves excite water molecules the slowest, fats and
sugars the fastest

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
> > > although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
> > > then.
> >
> >
> > Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> > things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> > when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
>
> I can't imagine they'd stop. That crap must be an enormous
> cash cow for Kellogg's, especially with the decrease in
> mothers cooking proper meals for their children.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Random bit of pop-tart trivia. My sisters once ran a licensed day-care.
The government had strict rules on what, and how much, the kids could be
fed. Frosted Chocolate Pop Tarts were allowed, although the unfrosted
strawberry were not. Why? The chocolate ones were fortified with extra
vitamins. Pretty much the only thing they could feed them was over
processed fortified food-stuffs.

On 2016-12-01 4:36 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:15:07 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>>> heats from the inside out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>>> cheese heats first.
>>
>> Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
>> doubt the fat heats up the quickest.
>
> Actually microwaves excite water molecules the slowest, fats and
> sugars the fastest
>


That is interesting, considering that the articles I read say that foods
with high water content absorb microwave energy more efficiently and
cook faster than those with lower water content.

On 12/1/2016 9:01 AM, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article > ,
> Bruce > wrote:
>
>> In article >, notbob says...
>>>
>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>> heats from the inside out? 8|
>>
>> That's not my experience either, but why were we always told that?
>
> Have you never microwaved a pop-tart?
>

Seems my post explaining it did not show up. Fats and sugar have an
affinity for the microwaves and the molecules and stimulated faster than
other. The energy hits the outside of the tart but the material inside
just heats faster. Turn it inside out and try it. Want to see? on a
dish put a piece of meat fat, a spoonful of jelly and piece of squash.
Crank it up and see how uneven the heating is with different materials.

On 12/1/2016 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
>> although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
>> then.
>
>
> Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
> things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
> when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
>

I was in WalMart a couple of weeks ago and was shocked at the amount of
shelf space they took up. Huge selection of flavors. Special offer,
but three and get a coupon for free diabetes test strips.

On 12/1/2016 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>> heats from the inside out?
>>
>>
>> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>> cheese heats first.
>
> Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
> doubt the fat heats up the quickest.
>

Try it and you will see for yourself. See my other post, but put equal
amount of fat and water by weight on a plate and hit the start button.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 20:05:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/1/2016 2:15 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
>>>> heats from the inside out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
>>> cheese heats first.
>>
>> Microwave ovens work by exciting the water molecules in food, so I
>> doubt the fat heats up the quickest.
>>
>
>Try it and you will see for yourself. See my other post, but put equal
>amount of fat and water by weight on a plate and hit the start button.

For a dramatic display try a half cup each of egg white and egg yolk
on high for two minutes.

On 2016-12-01 8:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/1/2016 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-12-01 9:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I ate my last pop-tart before we had a microwave,
>>> although it's possible I had a cold pop-tart while camping since
>>> then.
>>
>>
>> Do they still sell those things? They could be among the shelves of
>> things I walk by without look at when I shop. I remember trying them
>> when I was a teenager and not liking them. I have never bought them.
>>
>
> I was in WalMart a couple of weeks ago and was shocked at the amount of
> shelf space they took up. Huge selection of flavors. Special offer,
> but three and get a coupon for free diabetes test strips.

There are aisle in grocery stores where I rarely go down and some that I
just sort of walk through to get elsewhere. I don't buy junk foods,
factory cookies, and sugared cereals so I don't even look to see what is
there. I guess it should not be hard to imagine that some people like
them, but I as never impressed with them.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:32:56 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:52:39 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, sf says...
> >>
> >> On 30 Nov 2016 23:31:22 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> >> > heats from the inside out? 8|
> >> >
> >> > nb
> >>
> >> Nobody cares as long as it gets the job done.
> >
> >Don't say that. If you're heating up a plate of food and you want to
> >test if it's all hot, where do you poke your finger? The middle or the
> >edge?
>
> the bottom of the plate in the center
> Janet US

Bingo! Are you and I the only people who do that?


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:06:45 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

> notbob wrote:
> >
> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> > heats from the inside out?
>
>
> Depends on the food... fats heat quickest so if a slice of pizza the
> cheese heats first.

Only numbskulls heat pizza in a microwave.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

In article >, U.S. Janet B.
says...
>
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:52:39 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, sf says...
> >>
> >> On 30 Nov 2016 23:31:22 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are there still ppl in rfc that actually believe a microwave oven
> >> > heats from the inside out? 8|
> >> >
> >> > nb
> >>
> >> Nobody cares as long as it gets the job done.
> >
> >Don't say that. If you're heating up a plate of food and you want to
> >test if it's all hot, where do you poke your finger? The middle or the
> >edge?
>
> the bottom of the plate in the center

Thank you.

On 12/1/2016 10:32 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 20:00:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I was in WalMart a couple of weeks ago and was shocked at the amount of
>> shelf space they took up. Huge selection of flavors. Special offer,
>> but three and get a coupon for free diabetes test strips.
>
> Walmart is the brand name processed food heaven.
>
> -sw
>

Go smoke some more of your cancer stick Laredo 100s, you foul faced
woman abuser!

On 12/1/2016 10:30 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Not to mention all the other requirements for daycare. There is no
> way a facility can follow all the rules 100% of the time.


Oh gross, how much time are you spending hanging out around innocent
children anyway?

You need an intervention post haste, fatty!

On 12/1/2016 9:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> There are aisle in grocery stores where I rarely go down and some that I
> just sort of walk through to get elsewhere.


Why do you think anyone here gives a flying rat's ass?