Letter to America's CEOs
Dear CEO,

Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very valuable.

Our customers come from all walks of life. The kindness of cooks knows no borders or divides. In the aftermath of the election, seeing the intentional damage inflicted on so many outside the white heterosexual male world, we raised our voice. We felt we had to. We did this because we are Penzeys. The Spice business is so intertwined with history that it's not really possible to have one without the other. It became clear to us that we are now in a moment history will long have its eyes upon. For the sake of our customers, and for the sake of future generations, we felt the time had come to stand on the right side of history.

And while the reasons for why we took a stand might be specific to our unique outlook, what we learned actually applies to all commerce in the United States. What we learned is that President-elect Donald Trump has no real support. Voters, sure, but no constituency. Running a campaign on "that horrible-terrible-woman who should be locked up," while at the same time working to raise fear of minorities among white voters with limited access to education, clearly achieved its goal. But none of it left Americans with any sense of connection to the candidate they actually voted for.

Willing to take a hit for what is right, we did what we did. In the two weeks since, online sales are up 59.9%, gift box sales up 135%. And we didn't have a catalog arrive in this window this year, while last year we had 1.1 million! Yes, maybe for the moment we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his views for America. He has no constituency.

America's Values, on the other hand, have a really sizable constituency, and that constituency moves quickly to support those that stand up for the values of America. If, as a company, you have values, now is the time to share them. You may well lose a chunk of your AM radio-listening customers, but if you really are honest and sincere, don't be surprised to see your promotions suddenly, finally, find active engagement with the Millennial generation.

And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that, with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting until someone else has shown the way.

In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.

Thanks for reading,

Penzeys Spices

On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> Letter to America's CEOs
> Dear CEO,
>
> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very valuable.
>
(snipped)

> Penzeys Spices
>
Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?

Aside: If you've never stepped inside a Penzey's store... the scent is
fantasic.

Jill

On 12/3/2016 1:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> Letter to America's CEOs
>> Dear CEO,
>>
>> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
>> valuable.
>>
> (snipped)
>
>> Penzeys Spices
>>
> Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
> How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?

I wonder if they sell to Kellogs? Taking a strong stance on anything
political has to **** off lot of customers.


>
> Aside: If you've never stepped inside a Penzey's store... the scent is
> fantasic.
>
> Jill

Our closest is 50 miles but we do stop when in the area.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:49:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/3/2016 1:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>> Letter to America's CEOs
>>> Dear CEO,
>>>
>>> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
>>> valuable.
>>>
>> (snipped)
>>
>>> Penzeys Spices
>>>
>> Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
>> How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?
>
>I wonder if they sell to Kellogs? Taking a strong stance on anything
>political has to **** off lot of customers.

A lot of companies have done this kind of thing in recent years. IMO,
in many cases I think its more a calculated marketing ploy rather than
any sort of standing up for principles or ethics.

On 12/3/2016 11:01 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in
> a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Penzeys Spices

Blow chunks of fascism, you rotten Demotarded un_American *******s!

ImStillMags wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> Letter to America's CEOs
> Dear CEO,
>
> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
> valuable.
>
> Our customers come from all walks of life. The kindness of cooks
> knows no borders or divides. In the aftermath of the election, seeing
> the intentional damage inflicted on so many outside the white
> heterosexual male world, we raised our voice. We felt we had to. We
> did this because we are Penzeys. The Spice business is so intertwined
> with history that it's not really possible to have one without the
> other. It became clear to us that we are now in a moment history will
> long have its eyes upon. For the sake of our customers, and for the
> sake of future generations, we felt the time had come to stand on the
> right side of history.
>
> And while the reasons for why we took a stand might be specific to
> our unique outlook, what we learned actually applies to all commerce
> in the United States. What we learned is that President-elect Donald
> Trump has no real support. Voters, sure, but no constituency. Running
> a campaign on "that horrible-terrible-woman who should be locked up,"
> while at the same time working to raise fear of minorities among
> white voters with limited access to education, clearly achieved its
> goal. But none of it left Americans with any sense of connection to
> the candidate they actually voted for.
>
> Willing to take a hit for what is right, we did what we did. In the
> two weeks since, online sales are up 59.9%, gift box sales up 135%.
> And we didn't have a catalog arrive in this window this year, while
> last year we had 1.1 million! Yes, maybe for the moment we have lost
> 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing firestorm."
> And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and bad language
> with the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than
> they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms of retail
> spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his views for
> America. He has no constituency.
>
> America's Values, on the other hand, have a really sizable
> constituency, and that constituency moves quickly to support those
> that stand up for the values of America. If, as a company, you have
> values, now is the time to share them. You may well lose a chunk of
> your AM radio-listening customers, but if you really are honest and
> sincere, don't be surprised to see your promotions suddenly, finally,
> find active engagement with the Millennial generation.
>
> And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that,
> with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We
> understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are
> where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait
> until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming
> administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no
> bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same
> time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting
> until someone else has shown the way.
>
> In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation
> in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is
> your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent
> pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing
> at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come
> once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Penzeys Spices

We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
if we didnt vote their way. Our group has 5 people and regardless of
how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
didnt like, a racist.

My dollars are going another direction now.

--

On 12/3/2016 2:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> Letter to America's CEOs
>> Dear CEO,
>>
>> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
>> valuable.
>>
>> Our customers come from all walks of life. The kindness of cooks
>> knows no borders or divides. In the aftermath of the election, seeing
>> the intentional damage inflicted on so many outside the white
>> heterosexual male world, we raised our voice. We felt we had to. We
>> did this because we are Penzeys. The Spice business is so intertwined
>> with history that it's not really possible to have one without the
>> other. It became clear to us that we are now in a moment history will
>> long have its eyes upon. For the sake of our customers, and for the
>> sake of future generations, we felt the time had come to stand on the
>> right side of history.
>>
>> And while the reasons for why we took a stand might be specific to
>> our unique outlook, what we learned actually applies to all commerce
>> in the United States. What we learned is that President-elect Donald
>> Trump has no real support. Voters, sure, but no constituency. Running
>> a campaign on "that horrible-terrible-woman who should be locked up,"
>> while at the same time working to raise fear of minorities among
>> white voters with limited access to education, clearly achieved its
>> goal. But none of it left Americans with any sense of connection to
>> the candidate they actually voted for.
>>
>> Willing to take a hit for what is right, we did what we did. In the
>> two weeks since, online sales are up 59.9%, gift box sales up 135%.
>> And we didn't have a catalog arrive in this window this year, while
>> last year we had 1.1 million! Yes, maybe for the moment we have lost
>> 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing firestorm."
>> And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and bad language
>> with the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than
>> they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms of retail
>> spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his views for
>> America. He has no constituency.
>>
>> America's Values, on the other hand, have a really sizable
>> constituency, and that constituency moves quickly to support those
>> that stand up for the values of America. If, as a company, you have
>> values, now is the time to share them. You may well lose a chunk of
>> your AM radio-listening customers, but if you really are honest and
>> sincere, don't be surprised to see your promotions suddenly, finally,
>> find active engagement with the Millennial generation.
>>
>> And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that,
>> with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We
>> understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are
>> where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait
>> until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming
>> administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no
>> bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same
>> time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting
>> until someone else has shown the way.
>>
>> In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation
>> in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is
>> your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent
>> pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing
>> at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come
>> once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>>
>> Penzeys Spices
>
> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
> if we didnt vote their way. Our group has 5 people and regardless of
> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
> didnt like, a racist.
>
> My dollars are going another direction now.
>

Oooo rah!

On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:

> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
> if we didnt vote their way.

Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your
defense, most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of
your candidates racism."

> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
> didnt like, a racist.

Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?

> My dollars are going another direction now.

So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.

It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.

On 12/3/2016 5:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidates racism."


Who The **** appointed them judge and jury to determine anyone's alleged
"racism"?

**** them, and **** Kellogs too!

On 12/3/2016 4:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>
>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>> if we didnt vote their way.
>
> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidates racism."
>
>> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
>> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
>> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
>> didnt like, a racist.
>
> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>
>> My dollars are going another direction now.
>
> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.

I don't recall Hobby Lobby sending out letters to the masses. They just
wanted to run their business and the Gov't kept sticking their noses
into their religious matters.

On 12/3/2016 7:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>
>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>> if we didnt vote their way.
>
> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidates racism."
>

So he implied they are stupid? Thoughtless?

gtr wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>
> > We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were
> > racists if we didnt vote their way.
>
> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your
> defense, most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of
> your candidates racism."
>
> > Our group has 5 people and regardless of
> > how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those
> > initial emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who
> > voted a way he didnt like, a racist.
>
> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>
> > My dollars are going another direction now.
>
> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to
> express their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation,
> wanted to express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>
> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.

The intent was clear and offended my little group of 5 so we are
shopping elsewhere. Thats is all tht matters,

--

On 2016-12-04 02:31:03 +0000, cshenk said:

> gtr wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>>
>>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were
>>> racists if we didnt vote their way.
>>
>> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
>> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
>> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your
>> defense, most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of
>> your candidates racism."
>>
>>> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
>>> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those
>>> initial emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who
>>> voted a way he didnt like, a racist.
>>
>> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>>
>>> My dollars are going another direction now.
>>
>> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
>> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to
>> express their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation,
>> wanted to express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>>
>> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
>> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
>> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.
>
> The intent was clear and offended my little group of 5 so we are
> shopping elsewhere. Thats is all tht matters,

Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!

On 2016-12-04 00:44:24 +0000, Taxed and Spent said:

> On 12/3/2016 4:13 PM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>>
>>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>>> if we didnt vote their way.
>>
>> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
>> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
>> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
>> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
>> candidates racism."
>>
>>> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
>>> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
>>> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
>>> didnt like, a racist.
>>
>> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>>
>>> My dollars are going another direction now.
>>
>> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
>> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
>> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
>> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>
> I don't recall Hobby Lobby sending out letters to the masses. They
> just wanted to run their business and the Gov't kept sticking their
> noses into their religious matters.

Prior to this, corporations didn't have a religion so it was historic
when their notices were unstuck.

Also, Hobby Lobby doesn't sell spices. There are actually myriad
differences, not including the one I pointed out.

On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>
> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!

Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.

nancy

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 22:00:52 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>
>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>
>Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
>nancy

that's an excellent plan.
Janet US

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
> >
> > Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
> > and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>
> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
> nancy

Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
just cooking.

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>
>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>
>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.

> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
> just cooking.

Of course.

But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
I can get behind.

nancy

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>>
>>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
>> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
>> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
>> just cooking.
>
>Of course.
>
>But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>I can get behind.
>
>nancy

I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.

Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
a really rotten world/society these days.

On 12/3/2016 6:40 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-12-04 00:44:24 +0000, Taxed and Spent said:
>
>> On 12/3/2016 4:13 PM, gtr wrote:
>>> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>>>
>>>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>>>> if we didnt vote their way.
>>>
>>> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
>>> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
>>> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
>>> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
>>> candidates racism."
>>>
>>>> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
>>>> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
>>>> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
>>>> didnt like, a racist.
>>>
>>> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>>>
>>>> My dollars are going another direction now.
>>>
>>> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
>>> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
>>> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
>>> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>>
>> I don't recall Hobby Lobby sending out letters to the masses. They
>> just wanted to run their business and the Gov't kept sticking their
>> noses into their religious matters.
>
> Prior to this, corporations didn't have a religion

not true at all.

On 12/4/2016 3:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>
>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>
>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
> just cooking.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


I read the letter as cooking = I hate YOU.

On 12/3/2016 11:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:01:15 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing
>> firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and
>> bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they are
>> bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms
>> of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his
>> views for America. He has no constituency.
>
> I sent Bill Penzey one of those "emails of rage, and bad language with
> the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they
> really are."
>
> That was 4.5 years ago even before Trump and Hillary were on the
> scene. Bill Penzy is a shit-stirring ******* that promotes hate with
> every newsletter/email he distributes. He's constantly trying to draw
> a line between us and them and using his gullible spice customers and
> vendors to back up his piddly statements.
>
> I get my spices at Central Market.
>
> -sw
>
> -sw
>

+1!!!!

On 12/4/2016 7:01 AM, wrote:
>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.
>>
>> nancy
> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.

No we're NOT!

It's the ****ing Muzzies who've ruined that nation:

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...e-people-dead/

> Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
> I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
> people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
> are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
> a really rotten world/society these days.

Yes, radical ISLIME is ruining their own nests and then taking their
exploding asses to Yurop and destroying it too.

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>>
>>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
>> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
>> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
>> just cooking.
>
>Of course.
>
>But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>I can get behind.
>
>nancy

thank you for speaking up, Nancy.

On 12/4/2016 11:45 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.

> thank you for speaking up, Nancy.

And thanks for saying that.

nancy

On 12/4/2016 5:09 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>>
>>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
>> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
>> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
>> just cooking.
>
> Of course.
>
> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
> I can get behind.
>
> nancy


The last year? What about the last EIGHT years?

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
> > >
> > > Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
> > > and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
> >
> > Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
> just cooking.

I think I'm with you there. If a company sells a good product at a good
price, I don't care about their politics or employee practices. Walmart
is no more restrictive about employees than most retailers. Odd that
Pensey's would even officially promote anything other than their
products.

On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>>> I can get behind.
>
>> thank you for speaking up, Nancy.
>
> And thanks for saying that.
>
> nancy


Hate, hate, hate!!!!

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
> > > On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of
> > > > speech, and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere".
> > > > Freedom!
> > >
> > > Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
> > >
> > > nancy
> >
> > Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
> > about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
> > just cooking.
>
> I think I'm with you there. If a company sells a good product at a
> good price, I don't care about their politics or employee practices.
> Walmart is no more restrictive about employees than most retailers.
> Odd that Pensey's would even officially promote anything other than
> their products.

True. Anyways, we settled on 'Savory Spice' as our new spice place.
EXCELLENT customer service even if we haven't made our first order yet.
The others here refuse to use Penseys anymore (and yes, we split from
Clinton, to Trump, to the green party among us).

So I narrowed searches to 2 sites (the other was American Spice) and
this one had all but one item we needed, and when asked said they have
it but have to call in that portion of the order as it's a special that
they use internally for making their Fajita seasoning, but took off the
list as it's a slow seller. District Manager emailed me to tell me how
to get it. How cool is that?

Anyways, I have no problem with a company having a position. They will
in turn have to respect that I can vote with my feet anytime I want.

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On 12/4/2016 9:01 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.

> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now. jj

I've found that's the best policy. A glance at the headlines and
for the most part, you're not missing anything.

nancy

Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:01:15 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right
> > wing firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS,
> > and bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they
> > are bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in
> > terms of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting
> > his views for America. He has no constituency.
>
> I sent Bill Penzey one of those "emails of rage, and bad language with
> the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they
> really are."
>
> That was 4.5 years ago even before Trump and Hillary were on the
> scene. Bill Penzy is a shit-stirring ******* that promotes hate with
> every newsletter/email he distributes. He's constantly trying to draw
> a line between us and them and using his gullible spice customers and
> vendors to back up his piddly statements.
>
> I get my spices at Central Market.
>
> -sw
>
> -sw

Grin, if the local store (assume Central Market is a local one) doesn't
have all you are looking for, we found 2 very suitable sites. Savory
Spice won hands down on the customer support but American Spice was not
bad (both are USA companies if that matters to you). I reviewed a lot
of others but they were either quite limited in items, had bad web
pages where you couldnt tell what they had, or were far higher in
prices than local stores.



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On 12/4/2016 11:06 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
>> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now. jj
>
> I've found that's the best policy. A glance at the headlines and
> for the most part, you're not missing anything.
>
> nancy

This handily explains your under-educated and complicit adherence to
rancid libitardia and the misleading headlines the media uses to
disguise the few facts they deign to disseminate in their daily
thought/speak drivel.

Thinking for yourself is tough, it requires...well...THOUGHT!

I can see where that is past your capacities by a long distance.

On 12/4/2016 1:17 PM, cshenk wrote:

>
> Grin, if the local store (assume Central Market is a local one) doesn't
> have all you are looking for, we found 2 very suitable sites. Savory
> Spice won hands down on the customer support but American Spice was not
> bad (both are USA companies if that matters to you).

Don't think it matters much if it is an American company. I don't think
they are sourcing everything from US spice growers.

We just bought from www.savoryspiceshop.com for the first time. I was
looking for tomato powder and they had it. They seem to be an OK
outfit. First order came promptly.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
> >But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
> >and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
> >I can get behind.
> >
> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.
>
> Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
> I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
> people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
> are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
> a really rotten world/society these days.

These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

On 12/4/2016 12:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

Nuh uh...it now has YOU in it!

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 12/4/2016 1:17 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> >
> > Grin, if the local store (assume Central Market is a local one)
> > doesn't have all you are looking for, we found 2 very suitable
> > sites. Savory Spice won hands down on the customer support but
> > American Spice was not bad (both are USA companies if that matters
> > to you).
>
> Don't think it matters much if it is an American company. I don't
> think they are sourcing everything from US spice growers.
>
> We just bought from www.savoryspiceshop.com for the first time. I
> was looking for tomato powder and they had it. They seem to be an OK
> outfit. First order came promptly.

Cool on the order and yes, the spices come from all over so as said 'of
it matters to you they are USA'. For me, on this one it matters only
that a few folks here are able to get cheaper in country shippage *if*
in the USA.

Meantime, kitchen smells terrific! Making a tomato sauce. Going to
make a mess of the oven again but oh well!

Carol

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On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:13:09 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>
> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.

If Right Wing corporations are people too, then so are those with
Progressive views. Penzy's obviously isn't very disturbed about
losing 3% of their customers, because they probably gained as many or
more by taking a stand.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:04:09 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
>about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
>Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
>
>I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

That's true.

On 12/4/2016 12:30 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:13:09 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>
>> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
>> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
>> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
>> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>>
>> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
>> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
>> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.
>
> If Right Wing corporations are people too, then so are those with
> Progressive views. Penzy's obviously isn't very disturbed about
> losing 3% of their customers, because they probably gained as many or
> more by taking a stand.
>
>

They're typical libitarded fascists who represent all too well the
intolerant left.

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:04:09 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> >and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> >I can get behind.
>> >
>> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
>> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.
>>
>> Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
>> I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
>> people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
>> are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
>> a really rotten world/society these days.
>
>These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
>about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
>Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
>
>I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

If that's correct then we are guilty of not correcting it!