On 12/6/2016 2:08 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Best hidden secret of my kitchen? There's a 5 inch wide cubby with
>> door at the side of the dishwasher (other side is the thin passage to
>> the Family room). *Perfect* for cans of dog and cat food. Has 2
>> shelves in there.
>
> I so seldomly use my dishwasher that I'm thinking of removing it and
> having that extra space for use, that will really freak Sheldon out. LOL
>
> Cheri

I'd probably miss that more than any other appliance. With just two of
us it runs about every other day. It does a fantastic job of cleaning
and takes no effort other than three minutes emptying it.

On 2016-12-06 6:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I'd probably miss that more than any other appliance. With just two of
> us it runs about every other day. It does a fantastic job of cleaning
> and takes no effort other than three minutes emptying it.

I would not miss the dishwasher. I think it is more work to load an
unload the dishwasher than it is to do dishes by hand. Our old machine
died a few years ago and I would have been fine with not replacing it.
However, my wife does the dishes more than I do and she wanted a new
one. I guess it doesn't matter how much more work I think it is to use
the machine if she is the one doing it most of the time.

When she is away for a few days and I am left to my own devices the
machine never gets used. I figure that it takes less time to wash the
dishes and let them air dry than it is to load and unload the machine.

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I would not miss the dishwasher. I think it is more work to load an
>unload the dishwasher than it is to do dishes by hand.

I agree. In years gone by when I did have dishwashers, I found them to
be more work and trouble than just washing by hand.

On 2016-12-06 6:18 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:17:35 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I would not miss the dishwasher. I think it is more work to load an
>> unload the dishwasher than it is to do dishes by hand.
>
> I agree. In years gone by when I did have dishwashers, I found them to
> be more work and trouble than just washing by hand.
>

We have enough dishes and flatware to keep us going for 2-3 days, but
the pots and pans need to be washed. It takes only a minute or two to do
the dishes along with the pots and pans.

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "cshenk" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:25:54 -0800, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> news > >>> Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > http://tinypic.com/r/wbt9wo/9
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Finally got a decent camera. Photobucket seems wonky just now
> >so >>> > made a tinypic for ya.
> >> > >
> >>>> Looks really good!
> >> > >
> >>>> Cheri
> >> >
> >>> It is! Did the kichen pics show ok?
> >> >
> > > >
> > http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/cs...enks%20Kitchen
> > ?s
> >or >> t=3
> >> >
> >>> I'm hoping that link works better. It's not perfect, nor am I but
> >I >> think it's fun to show where I cook.
> >> >
> >>> Carol
> > >
> >> Yes, this time it did, before just the bread. Don't know why. I
> >> think your kitchen looks very cozy and that it's used for cooking
> >> and enjoying it. It reminds me a lot of mine.
> > >
> >> Cheri
> >
> > You may think it's cozy but I think it's way too cluttered, what's
> > with all those small bottles everywhere...
>
> Thise are called spices. You may want to try some out like normal
> cooks do.
>
> > there's plenty of space on
> > those empty walls for for storage cabinets, can even add more
> > counter space with cabinets below.
>
> LOL! The only empty wall space is above the added floor cabinet. Much
> of that is in use with 6 wall mounted spice racks.
>
> > That ancient fercocktah piece of furniture
> > looks out of place and takes up a lot of space that would be a lot
> > more useable.
>
> LOL! Wich one? The flip down side table doubling as a low credenza
> (piled with special additives my elder dog needs such as GSM for her
> joints, Lignan for her Cushings-like symptoms and so on). If the
> pictures didnt show it, that is a narrow 28inch slot leading to what
> was the garage. I'm not cabineting off the family room entrance.
>
> The low unit with the bread machine and crockpot? Probably not in
> view is the onion and potato keeper that is between it and the china
> cabinet (full wood door).
>
> The China Cabinet? Genuine antique. Made in England and rounded the
> tip of South America to land in San Fransisco and used in the gold
> rush in bar. Has burn marks from the fires after their big
> earthquake. Was a matched piece and we have the pictures of the
> other one that didnt survive the fires. It's against the sliding
> patio door.
>
> What you may not have realized is there is a pantry to the side of the
> fridge. I use that for most dry goods. The spots above need a small
> step ladder to reach but have those bigger pans we all use for special
> things like a whole Turkey, or my covered Duck roaster.
>
> The rest is open to the living room. Att he edge you may be able to
> see the built in bar (kinda messy with stuff on top right now.
>
> > One can only imagine what useless dreck is stuffed into
> > all those cabinets... I think you need to have a yard sale, or rent
> > a large dumpster. How/why do people live that way... I'm positive
> > if someone built you a new kitchen three times as large it would be
> > just as crammed full of useless dreck in a week. I'd be ascared to
> > see pictures of shenk's terlit.
>
>
> LOL, you are such a delightful asshole Sheldon!
>
> Carol
>
> =================
>
> You don't have to justify anything! It was very brave of you to post
> pictures and most wouldn't even be bothered because of the flack

No problem! I wasn't justifying anything, I was showing Sheldon he's
an idiot because he can't tell what the pictures show.

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Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 09:54:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> > "cshenk" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:25:54 -0800, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> > >
> >> >
> >> >"cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> > news > >> >> Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> >>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > http://tinypic.com/r/wbt9wo/9
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Finally got a decent camera. Photobucket seems wonky just
> now >> so >>> > made a tinypic for ya.
> >> > > >
> >> >>> Looks really good!
> >> > > >
> >> >>> Cheri
> >> > >
> >> >> It is! Did the kichen pics show ok?
> >> > >
> >> >>
> >>
> http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/cs...ks%20Kitchen?s
> >> or >> t=3 >> > >
> >> >> I'm hoping that link works better. It's not perfect, nor am I
> but >> I >> think it's fun to show where I cook.
> >> > >
> >> >> Carol
> >> >
> >> > Yes, this time it did, before just the bread. Don't know why. I
> >> > think your kitchen looks very cozy and that it's used for cooking
> >> > and enjoying it. It reminds me a lot of mine.
> >> >
> >> > Cheri
> > >
> >> You may think it's cozy but I think it's way too cluttered, what's
> >> with all those small bottles everywhere...
> >
> > Thise are called spices. You may want to try some out like normal
> > cooks do.
>
> I probably have more spices than any two RFCers

Well god on you! As yo can tell, I have quite a bit.


> >> there's plenty of space on
> >> those empty walls for for storage cabinets, can even add more
> counter >> space with cabinets below.
> >
> > LOL! The only empty wall space is above the added floor cabinet.
> > Much of that is in use with 6 wall mounted spice racks.
>
> Open spice racks are a big no-no, light destroys spices...

Get over yourself Sheldon. Not everyone keeps 5 year old spices. Most
of us replace them frequently enough that having them handy ourweighs
fishing aound in a dark caninet.

> >> That ancient fercocktah piece of furniture
> >> looks out of place and takes up a lot of space that would be a lot
> >> more useable.
> >
> > LOL! Wich one? The flip down side table doubling as a low credenza
> > (piled with special additives my elder dog needs such as GSM for her
> > joints, Lignan for her Cushings-like symptoms and so on).
>
> That is one ugli piece of furniture that matches nothing in your
> kitchen and is a total waste of useful kitchen space. I'm positive
> it's not filled with canine meds, your Vet doesn't need that much
> space for animal meds.

Actually it's a lovely oak wood table but with the leaves flipped down,
is very slimline. I found it in an antique store (not a genuine
antique, abot 1920's era). It fit an apartment when Don and I first
got married. There was no room for a dining table to be setup all the
time, but we wanted one when we had dinner. Folds up neatly to a wall.
Seats 6 if chummy or lots of room for 4.

> I used to have an entire dining room set from the 1920s that sat 12
> people, with the hutch, sideboard, credenza and all the chairs, huge
> pieces, very ornate... was too much work dusting and polishing and I
> don't think I ever had more than eight for dinner at that table... I
> got rid of it, I sold it with the house.
> http://tinypic.com/r/2d1w7eu/9
> http://i64.tinypic.com/29eghw8.jpg
> http://i63.tinypic.com/10h5d3d.jpg
> http://i65.tinypic.com/io3y8i.jpg

I'll try to remember to snap a pic of the real dining table this
weekend. It's in the family room and cluttered with Xmas wrapping for
gifts we mail to the extended family and friends just now. You will
have a field day with the extended pantry back there that lines the
walls with metal shelves and is used for pots and such.

Meantime, I like your old Credenza the best.

>
> > The China Cabinet? Genuine antique.
>
> It's genuine ugli, doesn't belong in a kitchen, takes up too much
> space, belongs in The Munsters Museum.

Too bad you don't like it. I DO.
>
> > What you may not have realized is there is a pantry to the side of
> > the fridge. I use that for most dry goods. The spots above need a
> > small step ladder to reach but have those bigger pans we all use
> > for special things like a whole Turkey, or my covered Duck roaster.
>
> I can only imagine what dreck fills your cupboards and pantry taking
> up valuable kitchen real estate, crapola that you never use.

Sheldon, I hope you realize comments like that make it pretty sure you
don't really cook much.


> > The rest is open to the living room. At the edge you may be able to
> > see the built in bar (kinda messy with stuff on top right now.
>
> I believe it's always messy.

Actually, normally is if all you want is empty space.

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, Brooklyn1
> says...
>
> <House proud man with manbag has been drinking too much again.>

LOL, yup!

Meantime, I bet you and everyone else 'gets it' that I like so many,
have a few kitchen challanges. I think I have done well addressing
then to a reasonably workable solution. It may not fit all, but it
fits me.

A classic solution here would be a kitchen island in the center (big
enough for a reasonabe one) but I like the empty space and being able
to walk across it from any direction. ;-)

--

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>
> <buncha stuff snipped>
>
> I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> those other things that are important to you.
>
> I'd probably fill the space between the fridge and the sliding
> door with some sort of base and wall cabinets, even if I had to
> get them used at the Habitat for Humanity Re-store. I already
> think my countertops are too cluttered. My motto:
> "If you don't use it every day, put it away." I've just
> about achieved that, except for the food processor.
>
> How tall are you? I can see wanting stuff low if putting
> things up might mean a trip up and down a stepladder for
> every little thing, especially if infirmity precludes
> that sort of climbing, even on an occasional basis.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

No problem Cindy! I'm 5ft1 tall (please don't leave that last inch
off, I worked hard for it!). I don't want to glommer for sympathy but
the back is bad enough I don't have to ask for help out of a store,
they call for someone without asking. Combination of genetics and a
speed boat attack when my ship was in the golf that had me fly down a
ladderwell the wrong way. I kinda went *splat* and never recovered
mobility in my spine.

It actually can be kind of funny in a dark way because now when I get a
jacket, I take the pad out of the right side and sew it to the other
one on the left so I look 'even'.

So yes, things I need to reach are either low (waist height to
shoulder) or I bug someone else here to get them for me. Appliances
used only once a month are in the family room. Ones used less than
that, are gotten rid of on Freecycle unless they are the genuine things
we want but rarely (blender from Japan, used 4 times a year, top
cabinet).

Anyways, counterspace is my challange here. Storage is in the
ancillary pantry area of what was our garage on 3 4 rack metal shelves.
We actualy don't need that much room but i like to spread stuff out.

Anyways, I do leave out more than daily use appliance items because I
can't lift them. If I were to remove an item, it would be the
microwave. Between the 3 of us, it gets used once a week at best.

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Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 03:38:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > <buncha stuff snipped>
> >
> > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> > those other things that are important to you.
>
> Thank you, Cindy. I can be sympathetic when one says they can't
> afford a remodel, but then it would behoove that they stop talking
> about it endlessly.

Um Sheldon, this is the first time I've entered this topic and i wasn;t
the one talking about a remodel. I only mentioned the bit I had done
that were a mini-remodel that fit my resources and needs based on
ANOTHER talking on a remodel.

> Yet still there is much one can do to greatly
> improve what one has without spending much money... it never costs
> much to organize, neaten, clean, and to free up space by disposing of
> dreck one doesn't use.

What Dreck did you see in appliances? I have 1 bread machine (used 2-3
times a week and you'd know that if you had a CLUE), a rice machine
(downsized, doubles as a steamer, used daily), a small microwave (the
dispensable appliance), a crockpot (almost always in use) and a toaster
(used daily).


> Small kitchen appliances that are occasionally/rarely used don't need
> a permanent home in one's kitchen... they can be stored in some other
> room, on the floor of a bedroom clothes closet or under a bed.

Humm, 5 appliances are too much for you? Too bad.

> know, Carol has 170 pair of shoes she hasn't worn in thirty years but
> she can't part with any even though now are feet are way too fat.

Where the hell did that come from?

> recently bought a very nice metal cabinet that I mounted on my garage
> wall for storing bakeware, I have a lot of Nordicware... it's only a
> few steps from my kitchen to my garage... Nordicware is bulky, they
> don't nest, no point in it taking kitchen space when pieces aren't
> used regularly.

Hence my family room nook. Just off the kitchen. Same reason.

> Lack of storage space is why houses with no basement are not houses,
> every house on a slab is a garage. Anyone who pays over 100 Gs for a
> house on a slab is an imbecile.

Houses here are on slabs. The ground isn't condusive to basements. We
are at best 10 feet above sealevel for most of us. You are an idiot if
you don't know the difference in why some parts of the country do not
have (and can't have) basements.
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Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Best hidden secret of my kitchen? There's a 5 inch wide cubby with
> > door at the side of the dishwasher (other side is the thin passage
> > to the Family room). Perfect for cans of dog and cat food. Has 2
> > shelves in there.
>
> I so seldomly use my dishwasher that I'm thinking of removing it and
> having that extra space for use, that will really freak Sheldon out.
> LOL
>
> Cheri

I'ved thought about it many a time! I'd not have one now unless my
Father-in-law was so proud about getting us one. He paid to have the
pot storage cabinet removed and have it put in. Sometimes, you want to
say no, but you can't. He was so happy about it!

--

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/6/2016 2:08 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Best hidden secret of my kitchen? There's a 5 inch wide cubby with
>>> door at the side of the dishwasher (other side is the thin passage to
>>> the Family room). *Perfect* for cans of dog and cat food. Has 2
>>> shelves in there.
>>
>> I so seldomly use my dishwasher that I'm thinking of removing it and
>> having that extra space for use, that will really freak Sheldon out. LOL
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I'd probably miss that more than any other appliance. With just two of us
> it runs about every other day. It does a fantastic job of cleaning and
> takes no effort other than three minutes emptying it.

I liked having a dishwasher when I worked outside of the home, and when the
kids were still home, but these days I prefer to wash them by hand. I do run
it every couple of weeks or so, and I have used it after family gatherings
because it's there and handy, but we really don't have too many family
gatherings at our place anymore.

Cheri

"cshenk" wrote in message
...

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, Brooklyn1
> says...
>
> <House proud man with manbag has been drinking too much again.>

LOL, yup!

Meantime, I bet you and everyone else 'gets it' that I like so many,
have a few kitchen challanges. I think I have done well addressing
then to a reasonably workable solution. It may not fit all, but it
fits me.

A classic solution here would be a kitchen island in the center (big
enough for a reasonabe one) but I like the empty space and being able
to walk across it from any direction. ;-)

=====================

If you really wanted something in the middle, you could have one of those
'butchers block' type things on wheels? They have a shelf underneath too.

Just an idea



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On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:07 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > <buncha stuff snipped>
> >
> > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> > those other things that are important to you.
> >
> > I'd probably fill the space between the fridge and the sliding
> > door with some sort of base and wall cabinets, even if I had to
> > get them used at the Habitat for Humanity Re-store. I already
> > think my countertops are too cluttered. My motto:
> > "If you don't use it every day, put it away." I've just
> > about achieved that, except for the food processor.
> >
> > How tall are you? I can see wanting stuff low if putting
> > things up might mean a trip up and down a stepladder for
> > every little thing, especially if infirmity precludes
> > that sort of climbing, even on an occasional basis.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> No problem Cindy! I'm 5ft1 tall (please don't leave that last inch
> off, I worked hard for it!). I don't want to glommer for sympathy but
> the back is bad enough I don't have to ask for help out of a store,
> they call for someone without asking. Combination of genetics and a
> speed boat attack when my ship was in the golf that had me fly down a
> ladderwell the wrong way. I kinda went *splat* and never recovered
> mobility in my spine.
>
> It actually can be kind of funny in a dark way because now when I get a
> jacket, I take the pad out of the right side and sew it to the other
> one on the left so I look 'even'.
>
> So yes, things I need to reach are either low (waist height to
> shoulder) or I bug someone else here to get them for me. Appliances
> used only once a month are in the family room. Ones used less than
> that, are gotten rid of on Freecycle unless they are the genuine things
> we want but rarely (blender from Japan, used 4 times a year, top
> cabinet).
>
> Anyways, counterspace is my challange here. Storage is in the
> ancillary pantry area of what was our garage on 3 4 rack metal shelves.
> We actualy don't need that much room but i like to spread stuff out.

Well, there you have it. Different people have different styles of
working.

> Anyways, I do leave out more than daily use appliance items because I
> can't lift them.

Just like us and the food processor. My husband doesn't have much
shoulder left, so even though we use that thing only once in a great
while (and it's usually him using it), we leave it out on the counter.
Sure, I could get it out of a cupboard for him, but a man (or a
woman) has his pride.

Before he had his (unsuccessful) shoulder surgery a couple of years
ago, we put the stand mixer in a closet. It hasn't been out since,
and hadn't been much used before that. We probably should get rid
of it, but we've got the space to keep it "just in case". The day
may come when I can no longer hand-knead pizza crust. I already
can't get my wedding ring on because my knuckles are a trifle
arthritic.

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/7/2016 1:44 AM, Cheri wrote:
>

>> I'd probably miss that more than any other appliance. With just two
>> of us it runs about every other day. It does a fantastic job of
>> cleaning and takes no effort other than three minutes emptying it.
>
> I liked having a dishwasher when I worked outside of the home, and when
> the kids were still home, but these days I prefer to wash them by hand.
> I do run it every couple of weeks or so, and I have used it after family
> gatherings because it's there and handy, but we really don't have too
> many family gatherings at our place anymore.
>
> Cheri

Saves water too if you have a full load. Machines have become very
efficient

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:39:05 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
snip
>
>Just like us and the food processor. My husband doesn't have much
>shoulder left, so even though we use that thing only once in a great
>while (and it's usually him using it), we leave it out on the counter.
>Sure, I could get it out of a cupboard for him, but a man (or a
>woman) has his pride.
>
>Before he had his (unsuccessful) shoulder surgery a couple of years
>ago, we put the stand mixer in a closet. It hasn't been out since,
>and hadn't been much used before that. We probably should get rid
>of it, but we've got the space to keep it "just in case". The day
>may come when I can no longer hand-knead pizza crust. I already
>can't get my wedding ring on because my knuckles are a trifle
>arthritic.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I had my shoulder done twice and neither time worked. A doctor told
me a study had been done that showed that kind of surgery was
successful only 60% of the time.
My new food processor doesn't weigh near what my old one did and I am
thankful for that. It seems more stable somehow. The body is shorter
and squatter.
If you no longer have use of your rotator cuff, you find that a lot
of movement and support is taken over by your back. Standing at the
kitchen counter for any length of time and doing knife work or
stirring a pot with any height at all is exhausting and wrecks my back
I'll take any tool that I can get that makes it all happen faster.
Janet US

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "cshenk" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> In article >, Brooklyn1
>> says...
>>
>> <House proud man with manbag has been drinking too much again.>
>
> LOL, yup!
>
> Meantime, I bet you and everyone else 'gets it' that I like so many,
> have a few kitchen challanges. I think I have done well addressing
> then to a reasonably workable solution. It may not fit all, but it
> fits me.
>
> A classic solution here would be a kitchen island in the center (big
> enough for a reasonabe one) but I like the empty space and being able
> to walk across it from any direction. ;-)
>
> =====================
>
> If you really wanted something in the middle, you could have one of those
> 'butchers block' type things on wheels? They have a shelf underneath too.
>
> Just an idea

I have a butcher block on wheels, indispensable to me with limited counter
space.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message news

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "cshenk" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> In article >, Brooklyn1
>> says...
>>
>> <House proud man with manbag has been drinking too much again.>
>
> LOL, yup!
>
> Meantime, I bet you and everyone else 'gets it' that I like so many,
> have a few kitchen challanges. I think I have done well addressing
> then to a reasonably workable solution. It may not fit all, but it
> fits me.
>
> A classic solution here would be a kitchen island in the center (big
> enough for a reasonabe one) but I like the empty space and being able
> to walk across it from any direction. ;-)
>
> =====================
>
> If you really wanted something in the middle, you could have one of those
> 'butchers block' type things on wheels? They have a shelf underneath too.
>
> Just an idea

I have a butcher block on wheels, indispensable to me with limited counter
space.

Cheri

===================

I like those too


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"Cheri" wrote:
>
>I haven't really decided, but I'm sure whatever it would be, would be more
>useful than the dishwasher that just sits there.
>
>Cheri

My dishwasher just sits there most of the time too but there are times
it's very handy, it's nice to have when there's company and there are
too many dishes all at once to wash by hand. And I use mine for
washing plastic storage containers, since I cook large amounts I
freeze a lot so over a month I can fill the dishwasher with plastic
containers with their lids. Washing plastic by hand leaves an oily
film but the dishwasher does not, plus I don't feel like washing 50
plastic containers by hand each month.
The other thing to consider is that the space occupied by a dishwasher
only gives one small cabinet and a drawer, I don't think it's worth
the trade off since there are plenty of other places in a house to
create storeage space for kitchen stuff that's only used once in a
while. I hung cabinets in my garage, and put up shelving too... it's
only a few steps from my kitchen to my garage. I also turned the
large coat closet between my dining area and front entry way into a
pantry, very stratigically located for kitchenware and there's another
smaller coat closet just inside the front door that's plenty large
enough for a few visitor's coats. I also have a full basement where I
store things but it's not convenient for items needed often, but still
I'm down there at least once or twice every day and it's great for
storing lots of canned goods, which also frees up storage space in the
kitchen. To be frank I'd rather store large roasting pans and mixing
bowls under my bed than give up the dishwasher. I even keep a large
lasagna pan in my linen closet, it's filled with towels so there's no
space lost... I can't remember the last time I used that monster pan,
has to be more than five years ago. I even know someone who never
uses their dishwasher for dishes but uses it for storing bakeware.
Another thought is if you ever want to sell your house it won't be
easy without a dishwasher.

On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:40:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 03:38:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> >
>> > <buncha stuff snipped>
>> >
>> > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
>> > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
>> > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
>> > those other things that are important to you.
>>
>> Thank you, Cindy. I can be sympathetic when one says they can't
>> afford a remodel, but then it would behoove that they stop talking
>> about it endlessly.
>
>Um Sheldon, this is the first time I've entered this topic and i wasn;t
>the one talking about a remodel. I only mentioned the bit I had done
>that were a mini-remodel that fit my resources and needs based on
>ANOTHER talking on a remodel.
>
>> Yet still there is much one can do to greatly
>> improve what one has without spending much money... it never costs
>> much to organize, neaten, clean, and to free up space by disposing of
>> dreck one doesn't use.
>
>What Dreck did you see in appliances? I have 1 bread machine (used 2-3
>times a week and you'd know that if you had a CLUE), a rice machine
>(downsized, doubles as a steamer, used daily), a small microwave (the
>dispensable appliance), a crockpot (almost always in use) and a toaster
>(used daily).
>
>
>> Small kitchen appliances that are occasionally/rarely used don't need
>> a permanent home in one's kitchen... they can be stored in some other
>> room, on the floor of a bedroom clothes closet or under a bed.
>
>Humm, 5 appliances are too much for you? Too bad.
>
>> know, Carol has 170 pair of shoes she hasn't worn in thirty years but
>> she can't part with any even though now are feet are way too fat.
>
>Where the hell did that come from?
>
>> recently bought a very nice metal cabinet that I mounted on my garage
>> wall for storing bakeware, I have a lot of Nordicware... it's only a
>> few steps from my kitchen to my garage... Nordicware is bulky, they
>> don't nest, no point in it taking kitchen space when pieces aren't
>> used regularly.
>
>Hence my family room nook. Just off the kitchen. Same reason.
>
>> Lack of storage space is why houses with no basement are not houses,
>> every house on a slab is a garage. Anyone who pays over 100 Gs for a
>> house on a slab is an imbecile.
>
>Houses here are on slabs. The ground isn't condusive to basements. We
>are at best 10 feet above sealevel for most of us. You are an idiot if
>you don't know the difference in why some parts of the country do not
>have (and can't have) basements.

No one tells you to live there. What kind of moron chooses to live
below sea level?!?!? You're the idiot. I have absolutely no pity for
people who *choose* to live on a flood plain who get flooded.

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:07 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > <buncha stuff snipped>
> > >
> > > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> > > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> > > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> > > those other things that are important to you.
> > >
> > > I'd probably fill the space between the fridge and the sliding
> > > door with some sort of base and wall cabinets, even if I had to
> > > get them used at the Habitat for Humanity Re-store. I already
> > > think my countertops are too cluttered. My motto:
> > > "If you don't use it every day, put it away." I've just
> > > about achieved that, except for the food processor.
> > >
> > > How tall are you? I can see wanting stuff low if putting
> > > things up might mean a trip up and down a stepladder for
> > > every little thing, especially if infirmity precludes
> > > that sort of climbing, even on an occasional basis.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > No problem Cindy! I'm 5ft1 tall (please don't leave that last inch
> > off, I worked hard for it!). I don't want to glommer for sympathy
> > but the back is bad enough I don't have to ask for help out of a
> > store, they call for someone without asking. Combination of
> > genetics and a speed boat attack when my ship was in the golf that
> > had me fly down a ladderwell the wrong way. I kinda went splat and
> > never recovered mobility in my spine.
> >
> > It actually can be kind of funny in a dark way because now when I
> > get a jacket, I take the pad out of the right side and sew it to
> > the other one on the left so I look 'even'.
> >
> > So yes, things I need to reach are either low (waist height to
> > shoulder) or I bug someone else here to get them for me. Appliances
> > used only once a month are in the family room. Ones used less than
> > that, are gotten rid of on Freecycle unless they are the genuine
> > things we want but rarely (blender from Japan, used 4 times a year,
> > top cabinet).
> >
> > Anyways, counterspace is my challange here. Storage is in the
> > ancillary pantry area of what was our garage on 3 4 rack metal
> > shelves. We actualy don't need that much room but i like to spread
> > stuff out.
>
> Well, there you have it. Different people have different styles of
> working.

Exactly and the normal folks here know this.


> > Anyways, I do leave out more than daily use appliance items because
> > I can't lift them.

Grin, for me it is the microwave. If it were just me here, a small
toaster oven would be in it's place.

> Just like us and the food processor. My husband doesn't have much
> shoulder left, so even though we use that thing only once in a great
> while (and it's usually him using it), we leave it out on the counter.
> Sure, I could get it out of a cupboard for him, but a man (or a
> woman) has his pride.

Yes, when you actually pay attention to one another in your life, you
find these things that need to be done. Hence, I have a microwave
(sigh).


> Before he had his (unsuccessful) shoulder surgery a couple of years
> ago, we put the stand mixer in a closet. It hasn't been out since,
> and hadn't been much used before that. We probably should get rid
> of it, but we've got the space to keep it "just in case". The day
> may come when I can no longer hand-knead pizza crust. I already
> can't get my wedding ring on because my knuckles are a trifle
> arthritic.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

With you Cindy! BTW, have the ring removed. Don now wears his (same
reason) about his neck. His joints swell and it can get dangerous. He
jammed a finger catching himself when slipping on ice and it swelled,
cutting the blood flow off. Got it off in time but it was apparently a
bit close to the line for safety.



--

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:40:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 03:38:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <buncha stuff snipped>
> >> >
> >> > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> >> > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> >> > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> >> > those other things that are important to you.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Cindy. I can be sympathetic when one says they can't
> >> afford a remodel, but then it would behoove that they stop talking
> >> about it endlessly.
> >
> > Um Sheldon, this is the first time I've entered this topic and i
> > wasn;t the one talking about a remodel. I only mentioned the bit I
> > had done that were a mini-remodel that fit my resources and needs
> > based on ANOTHER talking on a remodel.
> >
> >> Yet still there is much one can do to greatly
> >> improve what one has without spending much money... it never costs
> >> much to organize, neaten, clean, and to free up space by disposing
> of >> dreck one doesn't use.
> >
> > What Dreck did you see in appliances? I have 1 bread machine (used
> > 2-3 times a week and you'd know that if you had a CLUE), a rice
> > machine (downsized, doubles as a steamer, used daily), a small
> > microwave (the dispensable appliance), a crockpot (almost always in
> > use) and a toaster (used daily).
> >
> >
> >> Small kitchen appliances that are occasionally/rarely used don't
> need >> a permanent home in one's kitchen... they can be stored in
> some other >> room, on the floor of a bedroom clothes closet or under
> a bed.
> >
> > Humm, 5 appliances are too much for you? Too bad.
> >
> >> know, Carol has 170 pair of shoes she hasn't worn in thirty years
> but >> she can't part with any even though now are feet are way too
> fat.
> >
> > Where the hell did that come from?
> >
> >> recently bought a very nice metal cabinet that I mounted on my
> garage >> wall for storing bakeware, I have a lot of Nordicware...
> it's only a >> few steps from my kitchen to my garage... Nordicware
> is bulky, they >> don't nest, no point in it taking kitchen space
> when pieces aren't >> used regularly.
> >
> > Hence my family room nook. Just off the kitchen. Same reason.
> >
> >> Lack of storage space is why houses with no basement are not
> houses, >> every house on a slab is a garage. Anyone who pays over
> 100 Gs for a >> house on a slab is an imbecile.
> >
> > Houses here are on slabs. The ground isn't condusive to basements.
> > We are at best 10 feet *above* sealevel for most of us. You are an
> > idiot if you don't know the difference in why some parts of the
> > country do not have (and can't have) basements.
>
> No one tells you to live there. What kind of moron chooses to live
> below sea level?!?!? You're the idiot. I have absolutely no pity for
> people who choose to live on a flood plain who get flooded.

Well Sheldon, dont move to a big coastal city as you obvously have *NO
CLUE* about such nor the construction for stability of such. As usual,
you missed the point. It's ABOVE sealevel here as said at the start but
you can't read well enough to understand that. I'm actually 15 ft above
it and 15 miles inland.

Please post again as it's hilarous to see the idiocy from your keyboard
flow.
--

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 9:12:32 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:40:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 03:38:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > <buncha stuff snipped>
> > >> >
> > >> > I find myself agreeing somewhat with Sheldon, although I'm more
> > >> > sympathetic as to one's priorities in life. If you re-did your
> > >> > kitchen, you might not have the money for charity and all of
> > >> > those other things that are important to you.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you, Cindy. I can be sympathetic when one says they can't
> > >> afford a remodel, but then it would behoove that they stop talking
> > >> about it endlessly.
> > >
> > > Um Sheldon, this is the first time I've entered this topic and i
> > > wasn;t the one talking about a remodel. I only mentioned the bit I
> > > had done that were a mini-remodel that fit my resources and needs
> > > based on ANOTHER talking on a remodel.
> > >
> > >> Yet still there is much one can do to greatly
> > >> improve what one has without spending much money... it never costs
> > >> much to organize, neaten, clean, and to free up space by disposing
> > of >> dreck one doesn't use.
> > >
> > > What Dreck did you see in appliances? I have 1 bread machine (used
> > > 2-3 times a week and you'd know that if you had a CLUE), a rice
> > > machine (downsized, doubles as a steamer, used daily), a small
> > > microwave (the dispensable appliance), a crockpot (almost always in
> > > use) and a toaster (used daily).
> > >
> > >
> > >> Small kitchen appliances that are occasionally/rarely used don't
> > need >> a permanent home in one's kitchen... they can be stored in
> > some other >> room, on the floor of a bedroom clothes closet or under
> > a bed.
> > >
> > > Humm, 5 appliances are too much for you? Too bad.
> > >
> > >> know, Carol has 170 pair of shoes she hasn't worn in thirty years
> > but >> she can't part with any even though now are feet are way too
> > fat.
> > >
> > > Where the hell did that come from?
> > >
> > >> recently bought a very nice metal cabinet that I mounted on my
> > garage >> wall for storing bakeware, I have a lot of Nordicware...
> > it's only a >> few steps from my kitchen to my garage... Nordicware
> > is bulky, they >> don't nest, no point in it taking kitchen space
> > when pieces aren't >> used regularly.
> > >
> > > Hence my family room nook. Just off the kitchen. Same reason.
> > >
> > >> Lack of storage space is why houses with no basement are not
> > houses, >> every house on a slab is a garage. Anyone who pays over
> > 100 Gs for a >> house on a slab is an imbecile.
> > >
> > > Houses here are on slabs. The ground isn't condusive to basements.
> > > We are at best 10 feet *above* sealevel for most of us. You are an
> > > idiot if you don't know the difference in why some parts of the
> > > country do not have (and can't have) basements.
> >
> > No one tells you to live there. What kind of moron chooses to live
> > below sea level?!?!? You're the idiot. I have absolutely no pity for
> > people who choose to live on a flood plain who get flooded.
>
> Well Sheldon, dont move to a big coastal city as you obvously have *NO
> CLUE* about such nor the construction for stability of such. As usual,
> you missed the point. It's ABOVE sealevel here as said at the start but
> you can't read well enough to understand that. I'm actually 15 ft above
> it and 15 miles inland.
>
> Please post again as it's hilarous to see the idiocy from your keyboard
> flow.

George Bernard Shaw had a good quote for this sort of occasion:

"Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of nature!"

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 8:47:12 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > I already
> > can't get my wedding ring on because my knuckles are a trifle
> > arthritic.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> With you Cindy! BTW, have the ring removed. Don now wears his (same
> reason) about his neck. His joints swell and it can get dangerous. He
> jammed a finger catching himself when slipping on ice and it swelled,
> cutting the blood flow off. Got it off in time but it was apparently a
> bit close to the line for safety.

I haven't worn the ring in quite some time. I'm just as married without
it. I'm thinking about having my husband cut the ring and smooth off
the edges (he's done that with his ring), so he can stretch it a bit.
He doesn't wear his routinely because he works with his hands and
would hate like hell to have it snag on something and tear off his
finger. Except that his is a larger size, our rings are identical:
a chunky band of gold incised with Celtic knotwork.

Cindy Hamlton

cshenk wrote:
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/wbt9wo/9
>
> Finally got a decent camera. Photobucket seems wonky just now so made
> a tinypic for ya.


Try Imgur.

>
> Recipe used as follows (makes 2lbs, I did a freeform loaf and about 10
> smaller buns)
>
> 1 1/3 c Buttermilk (made from powder and water)
> 1/3 c water
> 1-2 TB butter (cut up)
> 1/2 c hard strong cheese, slivered *
> 1/3 c firm brie, cut up
> 4 c flour (mix of all purpose and bread machine, probably 1/4c spelt in
> there)
> 2 TB sugar
> 1 ts salt
> 2 ts bread machine yeast
>
> **optional- 3 TB parsley, 2 ts black pepper blend, 1/2 TB poppy seed
>
> Set machine to dough mode and load. I used the first 2 optional items
> right away then waited until after first knead to add the poppy seeds
> so they'd be in the outer crust. Remove from machine in 1.5 hours
> (when it beeps it's done with dough mode) then shape. I used about 1/2
> the dough for a long loaf and then made quite a few smaller buns. Set
> on a large flat bread pan (I use pam so it doesn't stick) and place in
> the oven with the light on. Let rise about 1 hour then remove, heat
> oven to 400F and bake 17 minutes and check. If a tap is hollow, it's
> ready. I actually do it by color for this recipe but if unsure, the
> hollow tap works.
>
> * For the cheese, sorry this one was long unwrapped and not sure other
> than it was firm, pale tan inside, and probably was similar to a smoked
> gouda yet firmer. Pretty sure at some stage it had a wax rind that's
> been peeled off.
>