On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:09:30 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
> >go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
> >would be run through their equipment and put back into my
> >veins.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
> new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
> into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
> talking about?
> Janet US

Maybe she's talking about "donating" your own blood before you have
major surgery.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:53:21 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:29:32 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
>> >> >
>> >> >Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
>> >>
>> >> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
>> >> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
>> >
>> > Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>> >colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>>
>> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
>> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
>> days.
>
>Want to know what's worse? They dress their young children that way
>too.

Yes, I know :/
Nothing left to the imagination.

"Cheri" wrote in message news

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:38:56 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 12/13/2016 11:19 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>> Shoulder pads were already back in, 80s I think, bloody uncomfortable.
>>>>
>>> I worked in an office and they looked quite stylish.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>Why uncomfortable? I never found anything uncomfortable about them.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> They seemed to slip around and didn't stay where they were supposed to
> be.

Oh, I see, yes I assume that could be a problem, but mine always came
attached to the inside shoulder.

Cheri

================

So did mine. I wonder how they stayed on if they were not attached.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 12/13/2016 7:44 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:38:56 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 12/13/2016 11:19 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Shoulder pads were already back in, 80s I think, bloody uncomfortable.
>>>>>
>>>> I worked in an office and they looked quite stylish.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Why uncomfortable? I never found anything uncomfortable about them.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> They seemed to slip around and didn't stay where they were supposed to
>> be.
>
> Oh, I see, yes I assume that could be a problem, but mine always came
> attached to the inside shoulder.
>
> Cheri

Yep. I even had a dress that had shoulder pads attached with velcro.

Jill

==============

Cool <g>

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

snip

I have to say I'd be reluctant to
>go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
>would be run through their equipment and put back into my
>veins.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
talking about?
Janet US
===================

I am curious too. Here, like yours a needle is inserted and the blood runs
into a bag.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"graham" wrote in message news
On 12/13/2016 9:16 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:20:14 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-12-13 4:46 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> My son donates blood. I did not know about this until recently. It
>>> seems that his goal is to reach a gallon of blood in total. I'm not
>>> sure why he does it or how he got into it but it speaks highly of his
>>> character.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I used to give blood regularly. Canada Blood Services used to run
>> clinics locally and they had a full time office in a nearby city. It
>> got to be a pain in the neck because they wanted you to book
>> appointments, fill our long questionnaires and then interview you. I
>> know there is good reason for it, but it is still a PITA. The last
>> time I was in there did the questionnaire and was going through the
>> interview when I remarked on a new question. They wanted to know if
>> donors had ever worked with monkeys. She looked at my answer to that one
>> and told me I can't give blood.
>>
>>
>> She didn't know what the problem was but I went on line to check out
>> out. It seems that monkeys sometimes carry a retrovirus called Simian
>> Foamy Virus. They don't know a heck of a lot about it. Infected animals
>> do not exhibit any symptoms and there is no approved test for it for
>> blood donations. According to the Health Canada site, people who have
>> worked with primates tend to give blood more often than most of the
>> population, and I have no idea how they could even gather that sort of
>> information.
>>
>> So.... I used to give month every two months, but now they don't want my
>> blood.
>
> When the Red Cross stopped doing it and it all became CBS they
> cavilled over the length of time I was going over to the UK. In the
> end I told them put me on the registry for bone marrow (in case
> someone was desperate enough to 'risk' my blood) and stick it. They
> did not handle things well.
>
> I suspect the simian thing is the worry about ebola which I believe
> starts with monkey populations.
>
The last time I gave blood was 19 years ago last month, in preparation
for my own surgery. I had been giving regularly but a) all my trips to
the UK subsequently would have disqualified me and b) the reason for the
surgery also stopped me.
====================

I am not allowed to give blood now because of all the meds I need.

We are carrying organ donation cards though so we will still be useful one
day)


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:09:30 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>snip
>
> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
>>go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
>>would be run through their equipment and put back into my
>>veins.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
>new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
>into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
>talking about?
>Janet US

They can take a pint of blood, process it removing the platelets, then
return the balance back to you.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:21:37 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 12/13/2016 9:16 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:20:14 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-13 4:46 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son donates blood. I did not know about this until recently. It
>>>> seems that his goal is to reach a gallon of blood in total. I'm not
>>>> sure why he does it or how he got into it but it speaks highly of his
>>>> character.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to give blood regularly. Canada Blood Services used to run
>>> clinics locally and they had a full time office in a nearby city. It
>>> got to be a pain in the neck because they wanted you to book
>>> appointments, fill our long questionnaires and then interview you. I
>>> know there is good reason for it, but it is still a PITA. The last
>>> time I was in there did the questionnaire and was going through the
>>> interview when I remarked on a new question. They wanted to know if
>>> donors had ever worked with monkeys. She looked at my answer to that one
>>> and told me I can't give blood.
>>>
>>>
>>> She didn't know what the problem was but I went on line to check out
>>> out. It seems that monkeys sometimes carry a retrovirus called Simian
>>> Foamy Virus. They don't know a heck of a lot about it. Infected animals
>>> do not exhibit any symptoms and there is no approved test for it for
>>> blood donations. According to the Health Canada site, people who have
>>> worked with primates tend to give blood more often than most of the
>>> population, and I have no idea how they could even gather that sort of
>>> information.
>>>
>>> So.... I used to give month every two months, but now they don't want my
>>> blood.
>>
>> When the Red Cross stopped doing it and it all became CBS they
>> cavilled over the length of time I was going over to the UK. In the
>> end I told them put me on the registry for bone marrow (in case
>> someone was desperate enough to 'risk' my blood) and stick it. They
>> did not handle things well.
>>
>> I suspect the simian thing is the worry about ebola which I believe
>> starts with monkey populations.
>>
>The last time I gave blood was 19 years ago last month, in preparation
>for my own surgery. I had been giving regularly but a) all my trips to
>the UK subsequently would have disqualified me and b) the reason for the
>surgery also stopped me.

All those years the Red Cross had handled things so well but I know
many donors completely turned off by CBS. It was mad cow they were
scared of, pretty much turned out to be something about nothing.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:17:31 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>I have to say I'd be reluctant to
>>go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
>>would be run through their equipment and put back into my
>>veins.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
>new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
>into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
>talking about?
>Janet US
>===================
>
>I am curious too. Here, like yours a needle is inserted and the blood runs
>into a bag.

In some cases it is returned to you with an ingredient removed. They
occasionally did that with me if they had to call me in rather too
quickly after the last donation.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:19:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"graham" wrote in message news >
>On 12/13/2016 9:16 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:20:14 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-13 4:46 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son donates blood. I did not know about this until recently. It
>>>> seems that his goal is to reach a gallon of blood in total. I'm not
>>>> sure why he does it or how he got into it but it speaks highly of his
>>>> character.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to give blood regularly. Canada Blood Services used to run
>>> clinics locally and they had a full time office in a nearby city. It
>>> got to be a pain in the neck because they wanted you to book
>>> appointments, fill our long questionnaires and then interview you. I
>>> know there is good reason for it, but it is still a PITA. The last
>>> time I was in there did the questionnaire and was going through the
>>> interview when I remarked on a new question. They wanted to know if
>>> donors had ever worked with monkeys. She looked at my answer to that one
>>> and told me I can't give blood.
>>>
>>>
>>> She didn't know what the problem was but I went on line to check out
>>> out. It seems that monkeys sometimes carry a retrovirus called Simian
>>> Foamy Virus. They don't know a heck of a lot about it. Infected animals
>>> do not exhibit any symptoms and there is no approved test for it for
>>> blood donations. According to the Health Canada site, people who have
>>> worked with primates tend to give blood more often than most of the
>>> population, and I have no idea how they could even gather that sort of
>>> information.
>>>
>>> So.... I used to give month every two months, but now they don't want my
>>> blood.
>>
>> When the Red Cross stopped doing it and it all became CBS they
>> cavilled over the length of time I was going over to the UK. In the
>> end I told them put me on the registry for bone marrow (in case
>> someone was desperate enough to 'risk' my blood) and stick it. They
>> did not handle things well.
>>
>> I suspect the simian thing is the worry about ebola which I believe
>> starts with monkey populations.
>>
>The last time I gave blood was 19 years ago last month, in preparation
>for my own surgery. I had been giving regularly but a) all my trips to
>the UK subsequently would have disqualified me and b) the reason for the
>surgery also stopped me.
>====================
>
>I am not allowed to give blood now because of all the meds I need.
>
>We are carrying organ donation cards though so we will still be useful one
>day)

It's important for them to know you will give anything - they now
often take tendons and skin, I can't think things like my heart would
be worth while anymore. They are talking here of making it an 'opt
out' system as opposed to 'opt in' - IOW unless you signed you were
not willing, it will be assumed you were.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:41:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Cindy Hamilton says...
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
> >>
> >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
> >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
> >
> > You live in a strange country.
>
>
> It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.

I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
surgeons.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:49:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

> Now we have these guys with
> their hair tied back in a bun. I don't know they cannot be aware of the
> fact that most other men think they look like douche with a man bun.

Young fella in the cube next to mine at work was sporting a man bun
for a little while. It was all I could do not to laugh.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:27:30 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >
> > On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > >>
> > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
> > >>
> > >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
> > >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
> > >
> > > You live in a strange country.
> >
> >
> > It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.
>
> Profit's bigger than care in the US.

Many health care providers put patients before profits. My GP and
the wife of a buddy at work are squeaking by. It's the overhead,
mostly. Malpractice insurance and the electronic recordkeeping
systems mandated for Medicare and Medicaid patients eat up a lot
of the "profits".

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> > Subject: Some USIANs opinion of England and the English <g>
> > From: Cindy Hamilton >
> > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:12:20 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > [quoted text muted]
> > > >Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > I used to do that - sometimes he needed it more often than I should
> > > have supplied it, in those cases they took it, separated it and
> > > returned the rest to me - I'm still alive.
> >
> > That's a bit different. I'm talking about going to some sleazy
> > for-profit outfit in a rough section of town, and letting them hook
> > me up to a machine that I don't know how well they sanitized it.
> > No, thank you.
> >
>
> When donating blood you're not hooked up to any machine. You have a
> one-use needle inserted in a vein in your arm and the blood just runs
> out into a collection bag. Squeezing your fist occasionally helps it
> along.

I'm talking about selling plasma, where they take your blood, centrifuge
out the plasma and put the rest back in.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:09:38 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
> >go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
> >would be run through their equipment and put back into my
> >veins.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
> new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
> into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
> talking about?
> Janet US

Selling plasma. Sorry, it looks like I snipped too much (rather than
the usual "not enough").

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:19:20 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
> >go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
> >would be run through their equipment and put back into my
> >veins.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
> new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
> into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
> talking about?
> Janet US
> ===================
>
> I am curious too. Here, like yours a needle is inserted and the blood runs
> into a bag.
>

Selling plasma.
<https://wallethacks.com/how-to-donate-plasma/>

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:41:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > >>
> > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
> > >>
> > >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
> > >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
> > >
> > > You live in a strange country.
> >
> >
> > It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.
>
> I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
> are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
> health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
> surgeons.

Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
developed countries.

Janet

In article >,
says...
> >We are carrying organ donation cards though so we will still be useful one
> >day)
>
> It's important for them to know you will give anything -

The NHS national donor register in UK, asks each registered donor to
specify what they offer (or won't).

they now
> often take tendons and skin, I can't think things like my heart would
> be worth while anymore. They are talking here of making it an 'opt
> out' system as opposed to 'opt in' - IOW unless you signed you were
> not willing, it will be assumed you were.

Wales already has that. I hope the rest of the UK follows suit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34964382

Janet UK

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:19:20 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
> >go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
> >would be run through their equipment and put back into my
> >veins.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
> new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
> into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
> talking about?
> Janet US
> ===================
>
> I am curious too. Here, like yours a needle is inserted and the blood runs
> into a bag.
>

Selling plasma.
<https://wallethacks.com/how-to-donate-plasma/>

Cindy Hamilton
===============

Thanks, I understand now I have never done that. It has always just been
a regular donation


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:19:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"graham" wrote in message news >
>On 12/13/2016 9:16 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:20:14 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-13 4:46 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son donates blood. I did not know about this until recently. It
>>>> seems that his goal is to reach a gallon of blood in total. I'm not
>>>> sure why he does it or how he got into it but it speaks highly of his
>>>> character.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to give blood regularly. Canada Blood Services used to run
>>> clinics locally and they had a full time office in a nearby city. It
>>> got to be a pain in the neck because they wanted you to book
>>> appointments, fill our long questionnaires and then interview you. I
>>> know there is good reason for it, but it is still a PITA. The last
>>> time I was in there did the questionnaire and was going through the
>>> interview when I remarked on a new question. They wanted to know if
>>> donors had ever worked with monkeys. She looked at my answer to that one
>>> and told me I can't give blood.
>>>
>>>
>>> She didn't know what the problem was but I went on line to check out
>>> out. It seems that monkeys sometimes carry a retrovirus called Simian
>>> Foamy Virus. They don't know a heck of a lot about it. Infected animals
>>> do not exhibit any symptoms and there is no approved test for it for
>>> blood donations. According to the Health Canada site, people who have
>>> worked with primates tend to give blood more often than most of the
>>> population, and I have no idea how they could even gather that sort of
>>> information.
>>>
>>> So.... I used to give month every two months, but now they don't want my
>>> blood.
>>
>> When the Red Cross stopped doing it and it all became CBS they
>> cavilled over the length of time I was going over to the UK. In the
>> end I told them put me on the registry for bone marrow (in case
>> someone was desperate enough to 'risk' my blood) and stick it. They
>> did not handle things well.
>>
>> I suspect the simian thing is the worry about ebola which I believe
>> starts with monkey populations.
>>
>The last time I gave blood was 19 years ago last month, in preparation
>for my own surgery. I had been giving regularly but a) all my trips to
>the UK subsequently would have disqualified me and b) the reason for the
>surgery also stopped me.
>====================
>
>I am not allowed to give blood now because of all the meds I need.
>
>We are carrying organ donation cards though so we will still be useful one
>day)

It's important for them to know you will give anything - they now
often take tendons and skin, I can't think things like my heart would
be worth while anymore. They are talking here of making it an 'opt
out' system as opposed to 'opt in' - IOW unless you signed you were
not willing, it will be assumed you were.

========================

That is a good idea.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
says...
> >The last time I gave blood was 19 years ago last month, in preparation
> >for my own surgery. I had been giving regularly but a) all my trips to
> >the UK subsequently would have disqualified me and b) the reason for the
> >surgery also stopped me.
>
> All those years the Red Cross had handled things so well but I know
> many donors completely turned off by CBS. It was mad cow they were
> scared of, pretty much turned out to be something about nothing.

In UK, anyone like me who had received a blood transfusion in the 1980's
during the BSE crisis, could no longer donate blood, in case we'd been
infected (by transfusion) and become carriers. I was given the excuse
about medication I was taking. I pointed out this was the same
medication I'd taken for 15 years and they'd never objected to its
presence in my blood before. The nurse went very red and said "Well, I
can't explain it but that's how it is, you can't be a donor any more."

It took the NHS a very long time to admit the real reason transfusion
recipients from that period, were no longer eligible to donate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...D-blood-donor-
ban.html

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
> >> >
> >> >Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
> >>
> >> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
> >> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
> >
> > Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
> >colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>
> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
> days.

I remember hearing exactly the same criticism in the 1960's when
young women were wearing very tiny miniskirts, and going bra-less or
knickerless *. I'm pretty sure flapper fashions in the 1920's were also
accused of moral laxity.


Janet UK

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:41:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
> > > >>
> > > >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
> > > >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
> > > >
> > > > You live in a strange country.
> > >
> > >
> > > It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.
> >
> > I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
> > are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
> > health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
> > surgeons.
>
> Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> developed countries.
>
> Janet

On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:59:29 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
>> >> >
>> >> >Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
>> >>
>> >> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
>> >> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
>> >
>> > Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>> >colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>>
>> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
>> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
>> days.
>
> I remember hearing exactly the same criticism in the 1960's when
>young women were wearing very tiny miniskirts, and going bra-less or
>knickerless *. I'm pretty sure flapper fashions in the 1920's were also
>accused of moral laxity.
>
>
> Janet UK
>
I had aunts who never left the bra-less tradition of the twenties
behind -- not pretty in the fifties.
Janet US

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:24:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > Subject: Some USIANs opinion of England and the English <g>
>> > From: Cindy Hamilton >
>> > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:12:20 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> > > [quoted text muted]
>> > > >Cindy Hamilton
>> > >
>> > > I used to do that - sometimes he needed it more often than I should
>> > > have supplied it, in those cases they took it, separated it and
>> > > returned the rest to me - I'm still alive.
>> >
>> > That's a bit different. I'm talking about going to some sleazy
>> > for-profit outfit in a rough section of town, and letting them hook
>> > me up to a machine that I don't know how well they sanitized it.
>> > No, thank you.
>> >
>>
>> When donating blood you're not hooked up to any machine. You have a
>> one-use needle inserted in a vein in your arm and the blood just runs
>> out into a collection bag. Squeezing your fist occasionally helps it
>> along.
>
>I'm talking about selling plasma, where they take your blood, centrifuge
>out the plasma and put the rest back in.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I had no idea it was done that way off the street.
Janet US

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:26:04 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:09:38 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:58:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> I have to say I'd be reluctant to
>> >go to one of these places knowing that my red blood cells
>> >would be run through their equipment and put back into my
>> >veins.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I don't know what this means? I've only been to places where a brand
>> new needle is inserted into your arm and blood is withdrawn directly
>> into a bag. No recirculation of fluids. What process are to
>> talking about?
>> Janet US
>
>Selling plasma. Sorry, it looks like I snipped too much (rather than
>the usual "not enough").
>
>Cindy Hamilton

o.k., thanks. Hmmm. I don't like the idea of recirculating fluids at
a for profit center.
Janet US

On 2016-12-14 1:29 AM, Je�us wrote:

> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
> days.
>

Oh come on. You can't say that these days. Women insist on dressing
however they wish and you are a rotten ******* to suggest they look like
whores. That comment is reserved for females to make.

On 2016-12-14 7:17 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,

>> I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
>> are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
>> health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
>> surgeons.
>
> Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> developed countries.

It is a bit of an issue for Canadians because a lot of doctors get their
training here where medical education is a lot cheaper than it is in
American universities, and then they move south to work because they can
make more money. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out well.

A good friend of mine moved to Texas almost 40 years ago. He had a good
practice here but was attracted to the promise of a higher salary, lower
income tax and no state sales tax. As it turned out, the practice did
not turn out to be as lucrative has he had been promised. He had
delivered a lot of babies up here, including our son, but he had to give
up deliveries because the malpractice insurance was too expensive.

On 2016-12-14 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:

> On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.


A lot of people clean up puke and shit for a hell of a lot less.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:41:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > Cindy Hamilton says...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
> > > > >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
> > > > >
> > > > > You live in a strange country.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.
> > >
> > > I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
> > > are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
> > > health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
> > > surgeons.
> >
> > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> > developed countries.
> >
> > Janet
>
> On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.

I used to do it for free.

Janet UK

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:53:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-14 9:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> > On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> > apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> > average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> > to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.
>
>
> A lot of people clean up puke and shit for a hell of a lot less.

Yep, I know they do. One of the best things about being a
computer programmer is the notable lack of puke and shit.
Plus, I get paid what seems like a lot of money to solve
puzzles all day long.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 11:22:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:

> > > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> > > developed countries.
> > >
> > > Janet
> >
> > On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> > apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> > average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> > to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.
>
> I used to do it for free.

Your kids, or other people's?

One of the many, many reasons I never had children is a low, low
tolerance for puke and shit.

Cindy Hamilton

wrote:
>
> They can take a pint of blood, process it removing the platelets, then
> return the balance back to you.

You can give plasma more often than you can whole blood. Usually not
donations...these are people that sell it for so many dollars.
Occasionally college kids but more often poor people do this.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:22:34 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> > >
>> > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:41:56 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > > > On 2016-12-13 4:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > > > > In article >,
>> > > > > Cindy Hamilton says...
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> I've never heard of getting charged for receiving blood.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> In the U.S., if you don't have insurance, it can cost anywhere
>> > > > >> from $1300 to $3500 per unit of blood.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You live in a strange country.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > It can be very profitable if you are in the health care business.
>> > >
>> > > I'd wager that most of the profits in the health care business
>> > > are in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries rather than
>> > > health care providers. Except, perhaps, for high-end plastic
>> > > surgeons.
>> >
>> > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
>> > developed countries.
>> >
>> > Janet

They also have much higher operating expenses. They move into medical
parks and share an office with 6-12 other doctors because they can't
afford to maintain a private practice these days. After paying rent,
their staff, utilities, and especially insurance they don't net what
many people think... they also start off with huge student loans. My
primary care physician couldn't make it without his second job, two
days a week he's the doctor for the state prison in Coxsackie where he
also gets some benefits. Doctors also do a lot of pro bono,
especially in rural areas. Any young person wanting to become a
doctor I recommend Veterinarian, they net more than twice as much as a
people doctor. Lots of Vets are specialists too, the same specialties
as human doctors, even more because many specialize in different
animals. There are Vets where I live who only treat race horses, some
are horse Opthalmologists, Cardiologists, Neurologists, etc.


>> On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
>> apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
>> average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
>> to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.
>
> I used to do it for free.
>
> Janet UK

On 12/12/2016 10:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 5:57:07 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/12/2016 12:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 11:03:08 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> You should try living in the tropics. You probably won't get away with not taking a shower. When it gets real hot I'll take a shower twice a day. No, I'm not OCD.
>>>
>>> I don't know exactly where you live, but the average July high in
>>> Kaneohe, HI, is the same as the average July high in Detroit:
>>> about 82 F.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> What is the average humidity? Not much different.
>> https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...y-by-month.php
>> https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...ity-annual.php
>>
>> I've concluded it is silly to travel to Hawaii when you can have
>> identical climate in Detroit. Sort of like twin cities.
>
> I'm speechless. OTOH, this explains a lot.
>

A whopping 95% of Detroit/Murderville, USA voted for the criminal
Shillary Klintoon and her influence peddling "Foundation" - nuff said!

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 11:22:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> > > > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> > > > developed countries.
> > > >
> > > > Janet
> > >
> > > On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> > > apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> > > average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> > > to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.
> >
> > I used to do it for free.
>
> Your kids, or other people's?

Both, like most parents who ever hosted a birthday party.

> One of the many, many reasons I never had children is a low, low
> tolerance for puke and shit.

In the end, we nearly all regress to helplessness you know. Who's
going to clean up your husband if he gets there before you?

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> >
> > They can take a pint of blood, process it removing the platelets, then
> > return the balance back to you.
>
> You can give plasma more often than you can whole blood. Usually not
> donations...these are people that sell it for so many dollars.
> Occasionally college kids but more often poor people do this.

The trouble with that, surely, is the financial incentive to lie on
the health questionnaire.

Janet UK

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
> >> > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> >> > developed countries.
> >> >
> >> > Janet
>
> They also have much higher operating expenses. They move into medical
> parks and share an office with 6-12 other doctors because they can't
> afford to maintain a private practice these days. After paying rent,
> their staff, utilities, and especially insurance they don't net what
> many people think... they also start off with huge student loans.

All of which apply to GP's (primary care physicians) in UK.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/employ...tices/gps-and-
staff/focus-on-taking-on-new-partners

My
> primary care physician couldn't make it without his second job, two
> days a week he's the doctor for the state prison in Coxsackie where he
> also gets some benefits. Doctors also do a lot of pro bono,
> especially in rural areas. Any young person wanting to become a
> doctor I recommend Veterinarian, they net more than twice as much as a
> people doctor.

Not in this country.

Janet.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:59:29 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
>> >> >
>> >> >Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
>> >>
>> >> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
>> >> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
>> >
>> > Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>> >colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>>
>> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
>> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
>> days.
>
> I remember hearing exactly the same criticism in the 1960's when
>young women were wearing very tiny miniskirts, and going bra-less or
>knickerless *. I'm pretty sure flapper fashions in the 1920's were also
>accused of moral laxity.

Yep. I'm not sure it's the 'moral laxity' I object to, it's just more
the lack of dignity and self-respect.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 1:30:33 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 11:22:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:17:51 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> >
> > > > > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> > > > > developed countries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janet
> > > >
> > > > On average, yes. Specialists are very highly paid. Pediatricians
> > > > apparently are the least-well-compensated type of doctor, and their
> > > > average is about $200,000. A lot of money, yes, but you'd have
> > > > to pay me a lot more than that to have kids puke on me.
> > >
> > > I used to do it for free.
> >
> > Your kids, or other people's?
>
> Both, like most parents who ever hosted a birthday party.
>
> > One of the many, many reasons I never had children is a low, low
> > tolerance for puke and shit.
>
> In the end, we nearly all regress to helplessness you know. Who's
> going to clean up your husband if he gets there before you?

He says he'll suicide before he gets that far, but if he
doesn't succeed, it'll be someone at the nursing home.

Cindy Hamilton