On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 03:28:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/14/2016 6:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Many health care providers put patients before profits. My GP and
>> > the wife of a buddy at work are squeaking by. It's the overhead,
>> > mostly. Malpractice insurance and the electronic recordkeeping
>> > systems mandated for Medicare and Medicaid patients eat up a lot
>> > of the "profits".
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>>
>> The electronic recordkeeping was forced, but it is a good thing for the
>> patient. Have you ever seen the paper files of patients with chronic or
>> multiple issues?
>
>No. I very rarely go to the doctor. However, if my dentist didn't
>have electronic records, mine would probably fill a milk crate.
>
>> Ny wife's file was about 8" thick. it would be at the
>> GP and when she had to visit the cardio doc that file had to ho to him.
>> You would have an X=ray at one location and sometimes had to carry it to
>> the doctor later.
>>
>> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
>> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
>> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
>> to do.
>>
>> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
>> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
>
>I never said electronic records were bad. I just said they cost
>doctors a lot of money to implement.
>
>My buddy at work set up something relatively inexpensive for his wife's
>practice, but not every doctor is married to a programmer.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

The initial expense is undoubtedly great and the few doctors I have
that are not a part of a large hospital owned practice seem to have
great trouble with the programs. I'll get an email requesting that I
sign up and it want me to use Facebook or some such nonsense.
Establishing a user name and password is never smooth. Then a year or
so later I get another request because they have switched software
programs. They always seem to try to make do with a nurse who sorta
understands computers so there is no real help when you run into
trouble accessing your records.
However, the big-boy software that my hospital practice uses is a
dream. I can 'talk' to any of my doctors, their nurses or PAs. I get
access to all my test results as soon as they are available. All of
my appointments for the upcoming years are available to me, etc., etc.
I really enjoy the big program. But the little guy ones are worthless
to me.
Janet US

On 2016-12-15 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:

> I was also told that this isn't a "whole life" saver.
> She was told that the average kidney donation lasts about
> 8 years. After that, you're right back in the same situation.
> Record kidney donation is about 30 years.
>
> I also learned that with any organ donation, you have to take
> immune system suppression drugs so your body won't ever
> reject the new kidney. This is the same as AIDS and leaves
> you open to other problems.

That is what happened with our friends' daughter. She had the kidney
that she got from her father but then needed a second transplant last
year. Then a couple months ago she was extremely ill due to some sort of
reaction to her anti rejection medication.

I new a guy who had a heart and lung transplant when he was in is 30s.
The poor guy never was right again after that. He was on medication
than made him so moon faced I hardly recognized him. I don't know
exactly what happened to him but I heard that he died a few years after
the transplant. A former member of my kayak club had a lung transplant
but that only bought him about a year and a half or a life that was not
much of a life for someone who had always been so active.


>
> My friend that got a kidney from her mom has now learned
> that she has inoperable cancer and will die somewhat soon.
> She's only 38. There is no loving god. ;-(
>
> And please... no usenet guesses here. I only want to hear from
> someone that has actually donated a kidney and find out how that
> 'one kidney' loss has affected their own life, if at all.
>

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-12-15 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > I was also told that this isn't a "whole life" saver.
> > She was told that the average kidney donation lasts about
> > 8 years. After that, you're right back in the same situation.
> > Record kidney donation is about 30 years.
> >
> > I also learned that with any organ donation, you have to take
> > immune system suppression drugs so your body won't ever
> > reject the new kidney. This is the same as AIDS and leaves
> > you open to other problems.
>
> That is what happened with our friends' daughter. She had the kidney
> that she got from her father but then needed a second transplant last
> year. Then a couple months ago she was extremely ill due to some sort of
> reaction to her anti rejection medication.
>
> I new a guy who had a heart and lung transplant when he was in is 30s.
> The poor guy never was right again after that. He was on medication
> than made him so moon faced I hardly recognized him. I don't know
> exactly what happened to him but I heard that he died a few years after
> the transplant. A former member of my kayak club had a lung transplant
> but that only bought him about a year and a half or a life that was not
> much of a life for someone who had always been so active.

I've made it to age 63.5 with no serious health problems so far.
All this hospital crap freaks me out. I don't want to live longer
if it means in a lousy way.

I do realize that 'you never know what you will decide' until the
reality hits you, but my thinking is....something bad comes up with
my health, I'll be tempted to just live out my normal life as long as
it lasts, then kill myself quickly and efficiently.

I have no urge to submit myself to nightmare surgery where you will
never live normally again. I had a close friend that did that and
2 weeks before he died, he told me those extra NIGHTMARE years
were not worth it.

Even if you go through nightmare surgery, you're still old and on the
downhill slide and it only gets worse as you continue to age.

oh man. I'm old now and even thinking this way. ;0

On 12/15/2016 10:22 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> The definition of insurance, the policyholders absorb the cost.

>
> 13 years later, my insurance price increased to $428 per month
> and $750 annual deductible. Kiss my ass. And in those 13 years,
> they never returned a penny to me.

I don't think anyone is claiming that health care expenses,
including insurance, haven't risen dramatically over the years,
for a number of reasons.

One think I don't know that people consider is that insurance
traditionally made its money through investment income. They have
very good financial departments that made up the difference between
premiums and expenses. You can bet the recession screwed with that.

It's a complicated subject with a lot of angles. I pay for insurance
too, and I hope I never get the money back.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> It's a complicated subject with a lot of angles. I pay for insurance
> too, and I hope I never get the money back.

Yep...that's the thing with any insurance. You pay for it but hope
you never have to claim.

That said (and on a light note here). I have full replacement
renters insurance here. Most of the things I have are old and
I don't care about them. I would LOVE a tornado to swirl
into my place and destroy everything. I can collect good
money and NOT replace most of the stuff. heheheh

Health insurance profits come from people like me that pays
and pays for years and never gets a return. We all cover
the cost of someone that needs a serious procedure occasionally.

The government should have stayed out of it, imo.
Certainly not charging me a penalty for being too poor to
pay for insurance. WTH?

sf wrote:
>
> Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

oh crap. Wishing you the best! You're fun to argue with.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:16:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Money was the last thing either of us thought of ! In the end a more
>> compatible kidney was found but had it been mine no money would have
>> left me, we would both have had all the treatment we needed and
>> hospital time.
>
>Ok, has anyone here actually donated a kidney?
>
>I was up for one myself once (donation) but it ended up that
>her mother was the compatible one and she did that.
>I'm not in touch with her anymore.
>
>My question is: When you donate a kidney, how does that affect
>YOUR life once all is done and healed? We are born with two
>kidneys probably for good reason. How does donating one to
>someone else affect your life? Or do you notice no difference?
>
>I was also told that this isn't a "whole life" saver.
>She was told that the average kidney donation lasts about
>8 years. After that, you're right back in the same situation.
>Record kidney donation is about 30 years.
>
>I also learned that with any organ donation, you have to take
>immune system suppression drugs so your body won't ever
>reject the new kidney. This is the same as AIDS and leaves
>you open to other problems.
>
>My friend that got a kidney from her mom has now learned
>that she has inoperable cancer and will die somewhat soon.
>She's only 38. There is no loving god. ;-(
>
>And please... no usenet guesses here. I only want to hear from
>someone that has actually donated a kidney and find out how that
>'one kidney' loss has affected their own life, if at all.

I haven't actually donated mine, but came close. They started by
lecturing me as to what it would mean for me. I would still have the
same chance of developing some kidney ailment but all things being
equal you don't need two kidneys. A friends daughter was born with
only one kidney, she never knew until she was in 30s and had to have
her appendix out, that's when it was discovered. She is in her
sixties now and fit and healthy.

What you say about the recipient is true but when you spend your life
at the hospital on dyalysis, that still looks better. I agree
totally with you, there is no loving god, if there was he couldn't
allow some children such miserable lives, to whit the children of
Aleppo currently. There must be hundreds who have slowly died under
rubble unrescued, it doesn't bear thinking about.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:55:02 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 12/14/2016 6:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Many health care providers put patients before profits. My GP and
> > > the wife of a buddy at work are squeaking by. It's the overhead,
> > > mostly. Malpractice insurance and the electronic recordkeeping
> > > systems mandated for Medicare and Medicaid patients eat up a lot
> > > of the "profits".
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> > The electronic recordkeeping was forced, but it is a good thing for the
> > patient. Have you ever seen the paper files of patients with chronic or
> > multiple issues? Ny wife's file was about 8" thick. it would be at the
> > GP and when she had to visit the cardio doc that file had to ho to him.
> > You would have an X=ray at one location and sometimes had to carry it to
> > the doctor later.
> >
> > Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
> > and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
> > Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
> > to do.
> >
> > Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
> > years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
>
> I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

Sorry to hear that, good luck with the treatment.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:17:46 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> > Doctors in USA have very much higher incomes than Drs in other
> > developed countries.
>
> Their hours are probably longer too.

I doubt that very much.

Janet UK

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:21:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> oh crap. Wishing you the best! You're fun to argue with.

Thank you, Gary.


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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:39:19 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> Sorry to hear that, good luck with the treatment.
>
> Janet UK

Thank you, Janet.


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On 12/14/2016 7:37 PM, sf wrote:

>> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
>> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
>> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
>> to do.
>>
>> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
>> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
>
> I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
>
Best wishes for a full, speedy and low stress recovery!

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:37:03 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:55:02 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/2016 6:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Many health care providers put patients before profits. My GP and
>> > the wife of a buddy at work are squeaking by. It's the overhead,
>> > mostly. Malpractice insurance and the electronic recordkeeping
>> > systems mandated for Medicare and Medicaid patients eat up a lot
>> > of the "profits".
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>>
>> The electronic recordkeeping was forced, but it is a good thing for the
>> patient. Have you ever seen the paper files of patients with chronic or
>> multiple issues? Ny wife's file was about 8" thick. it would be at the
>> GP and when she had to visit the cardio doc that file had to ho to him.
>> You would have an X=ray at one location and sometimes had to carry it to
>> the doctor later.
>>
>> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
>> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
>> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
>> to do.
>>
>> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
>> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
>
>I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
>fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
>Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
>know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

Hope you recover quickly!

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:00:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> > If affordable healthcare is to become a reality in the US, everyone has to shift their view on medical care as a big money making opportunity and cash cow to one of serving people. Other countries already do this. This whole thing requires that a shitload of people take a big hit. Affordable Healthcare 101.
>
> What will also need to happen is streamlining medical school and
> reducing what it costs to go through the process. As it is, people
> who can't get grants are in debt for a major portion of their
> professional career. I have no idea how it works in other countries.

The same in UK.

Even though the UK govt subsidises the cost of training doctors, it's
not a free ride. UK medical students here still have to pay around 50
thousand in standard undergrad tuition fees, plus their living costs for
five years. They can raise a govt loan, repayments are automatically
deducted from income when they start earning.

> Maybe only people who come from very wealthy families can afford the
> sacrifice.

Not necessarily. One of our sons supported himself through medical
school working three jobs in term time and others during vacations, and
living very poor. Some UK students now attend the nearest university to
their parental home, to reduce living costs; and they work to earn money
while studying. (Means-tested student grants and bursaries are minimal
to non existent nowadays).

Janet UK

On 2016-12-15 10:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> I new a guy who had a heart and lung transplant when he was in is 30s.
>> The poor guy never was right again after that. He was on medication
>> than made him so moon faced I hardly recognized him. I don't know
>> exactly what happened to him but I heard that he died a few years after
>> the transplant. A former member of my kayak club had a lung transplant
>> but that only bought him about a year and a half or a life that was not
>> much of a life for someone who had always been so active.
>
> I've made it to age 63.5 with no serious health problems so far.
> All this hospital crap freaks me out. I don't want to live longer
> if it means in a lousy way.

Consider yourself lucky. I had emergency heart surgery for my 60th
birthday. I was lucky and had a great recovery. I am more active now
than I was before the surgery.


> I have no urge to submit myself to nightmare surgery where you will
> never live normally again. I had a close friend that did that and
> 2 weeks before he died, he told me those extra NIGHTMARE years
> were not worth it.

After my surgery I felt like I had been hit by a truck and was not very
optimistic about making a recovery. It was months before I started
feeling better.


>
> Even if you go through nightmare surgery, you're still old and on the
> downhill slide and it only gets worse as you continue to age.
>
> oh man. I'm old now and even thinking this way. ;0
>

It's hard not to think about it when you see what has happened to
friends and relatives. I have been reading the local obitaries for
years. It is not something I just started, except that now I do it
online. I had a rude surprise this morning. I saw a surname that I
recognized because it was the last name of a man who have been the
janitor at a school where my wife had taught. He died years ago and had
two sons who were jazz musicians. This was the obit a 93 old woman. I
could not remember the husband's first name, but I scanned the notice
for the two sons. It listed a Randy, but not Warren, so I thought there
was no connection. I should have read the notice more thoroughly
because I missed the "predeceased by...". The very next obituary had the
same surname and it was Randy. I hate to imagine what the family has
been through in the last few weeks that they lost Randy on the 4th of
this month and the the mother/grandmother 4 days later.

Sf wrote:
>
> Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

Oh noes... I'm hoping you'll be good as new in no time.

On 12/15/2016 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> My question is: When you donate a kidney, how does that affect
> YOUR life once all is done and healed? We are born with two
> kidneys probably for good reason. How does donating one to
> someone else affect your life? Or do you notice no difference?

I know of only one situation in some detail. The donor was unaffected
and lived to about the age of 85.
>
> I was also told that this isn't a "whole life" saver.
> She was told that the average kidney donation lasts about
> 8 years. After that, you're right back in the same situation.
> Record kidney donation is about 30 years.

More than that. In the case I know of I've known the guy for 35 years
and he had the transplant a few years before that. A couple of weeks
ago it came up that he was celebrating the birthday of his kidney. It
turned 102. He is 63. It was his father's.

>
> I also learned that with any organ donation, you have to take
> immune system suppression drugs so your body won't ever
> reject the new kidney. This is the same as AIDS and leaves
> you open to other problems.

Correct.

>
> My friend that got a kidney from her mom has now learned
> that she has inoperable cancer and will die somewhat soon.
> She's only 38. There is no loving god. ;-(
>
> And please... no usenet guesses here. I only want to hear from
> someone that has actually donated a kidney and find out how that
> 'one kidney' loss has affected their own life, if at all.
>

In the case I'm aware of, no regrets, saved his son's life.


I read an article a few months ago. The donor was young and later
regretted his decision. He donated to someone he did not know and
thought that he may need it himself one day and won't have it. I can
understand that, far different that saving a close family member.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

Good luck with all of it! I'll keep good thoughts for you.

Cheri

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:21:13 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

> Sf wrote:
> >
> > Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> Oh noes... I'm hoping you'll be good as new in no time.

Thank you.


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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:03:10 -0700, Sqwertz >
wrote:

> On 12/14/2016 7:37 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
> >> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
> >> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
> >> to do.
> >>
> >> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
> >> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
> >
> > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
> >
> >
> Best wishes for a full, speedy and low stress recovery!

Thanks.


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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 05:12:47 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:37:03 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:55:02 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/14/2016 6:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Many health care providers put patients before profits. My GP and
> >> > the wife of a buddy at work are squeaking by. It's the overhead,
> >> > mostly. Malpractice insurance and the electronic recordkeeping
> >> > systems mandated for Medicare and Medicaid patients eat up a lot
> >> > of the "profits".
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >>
> >> The electronic recordkeeping was forced, but it is a good thing for the
> >> patient. Have you ever seen the paper files of patients with chronic or
> >> multiple issues? Ny wife's file was about 8" thick. it would be at the
> >> GP and when she had to visit the cardio doc that file had to ho to him.
> >> You would have an X=ray at one location and sometimes had to carry it to
> >> the doctor later.
> >>
> >> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
> >> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
> >> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
> >> to do.
> >>
> >> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
> >> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
> >
> >I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> >fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> >Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> >know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> Hope you recover quickly!

I do too, thanks.


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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:43:07 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news >
> > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> Good luck with all of it! I'll keep good thoughts for you.
>
> Cheri

Thanks, Cheri.



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On 12/15/2016 10:28 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:03:10 -0700, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/2016 7:37 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>> Now you can have a scan or X=ray and your doctor can see it instantly
>>>> and if he wants another to see it he can also even if 20 miles away.
>>>> Our HMO started to do it before the mandate because it is a smart thing
>>>> to do.
>>>>
>>>> Want to know the trend of a particular blood test over the past three
>>>> years? I cn get it on my computer or phone, just like the doctor can.
>>>
>>> I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
>>> fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
>>> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
>>> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>>>
>>>
>> Best wishes for a full, speedy and low stress recovery!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
You get some prayers/focused energy beams, fwiw.

Do NOT stay ill, please.

YOU matter as a person.

In article >, Cheri >
wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> news >
> > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> Good luck with all of it! I'll keep good thoughts for you.

I'm going to piggyback off Cheri's post. Only the best and my thoughts
are with you.

leo

On 12/13/2016 10:06 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
>>>
>>> Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
>>
>> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
>> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
>
> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>
> Janet UK
>
I *wish* I still had the crome kitchen table & chairs set circa 1960!

Jill

On 12/14/2016 1:29 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:34:12 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:36:40 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pony tails are very 1950s !!!
>>>>
>>>> Err. You might want to get out more around the world.
>>>
>>> Err - why? I'm not saying women, and men, don't wear pony tails, but
>>> they do date from the 50s, re-read the posts up to that.
>>
>> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>
> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
> days.
>
If I had a daughter I wouldn't let her out of the house wearing some of
the things I see teens wearing these days. Then again, most of their
mothers are not dressed much better. And the young girls have "tramp
stamps" (tatoos) across their butts. Won't *that* be attractive when
they spit out a few kids and fail to lose that 50 lbs. LOL

Jill

On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>
> Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish modern)
> from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
>
>
You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.

Jill

On 12/14/2016 12:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> One of the many, many reasons I never had children is a low, low
> tolerance for puke and shit.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
LOL People with children will never understand that, Cindy. No excuses
required. Some women simply don't want to have children.

Jill

On 12/14/2016 9:37 PM, sf wrote:
> I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.

I hope you're okay!

Jill

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:40:28 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

> In article >, Cheri >
> wrote:
>
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > news > >
> > > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
> >
> > Good luck with all of it! I'll keep good thoughts for you.
>
> I'm going to piggyback off Cheri's post. Only the best and my thoughts
> are with you.
>
Thanks.



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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:13:43 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
> >> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
> >
> > Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish modern)
> > from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
> >
> >
> You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.
>
Maybe today. Back then Danish modern was a furniture trend that even
people in the sticks of Michigan bought and nobody had heard of IKEA.
I didn't like it then and I don't like it today.


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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:55:31 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/14/2016 12:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > One of the many, many reasons I never had children is a low, low
> > tolerance for puke and shit.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> LOL People with children will never understand that, Cindy. No excuses
> required. Some women simply don't want to have children.
>
Many, many more than that shouldn't be allowed to have children.



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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:57:46 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/14/2016 9:37 PM, sf wrote:
> > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
>
> I hope you're okay!
>

I do too, but I have friends who had it worse than I do and came
though just fine - so I'm looking at it as a matter of time and
treatment (thanks to great medical insurance).


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In article >, sf says...
>
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:13:43 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
> > >> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
> > >
> > > Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish modern)
> > > from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
> > >
> > >
> > You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.
> >
> Maybe today. Back then Danish modern was a furniture trend that even
> people in the sticks of Michigan bought and nobody had heard of IKEA.
> I didn't like it then and I don't like it today.

Americans seem to be more into bling and complicated non matching
patterns. They may find the Scandinavian simplicity boring.

In article >, sf says...
>
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:57:46 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/14/2016 9:37 PM, sf wrote:
> > > I love all of that too. On top of having my medical record at my
> > > fingertips, they fast. Something major happened just before
> > > Thanksgiving. Since then, I've had biopsies and surgery and expect to
> > > know what the treatment will be by the end of next week.
> >
> > I hope you're okay!
> >
>
> I do too, but I have friends who had it worse than I do and came
> though just fine - so I'm looking at it as a matter of time and
> treatment (thanks to great medical insurance).

Good luck.

On 12/17/2016 9:46 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:13:43 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
>>>> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
>>>
>>> Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish modern)
>>> from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
>>>
>>>
>> You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.
>>
> Maybe today. Back then Danish modern was a furniture trend that even
> people in the sticks of Michigan bought and nobody had heard of IKEA.
> I didn't like it then and I don't like it today.
>
>

I love that stuff. It's graceful and elegant. My friend lent me some of
his chairs when I opened my office. Unfortunately, a 300 lb
ex-professional footballer sat on the thing and broke it. How
embarrassing! I wanted to use his desk too but I was never able to get
my paws on it. The top surface was made to look like it was floating in
air. Wonderful!

On 2016-12-17, jmcquown > wrote:

> You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.

I never even heard of Ikea until this century! Dansk® was the big
thing in the 50s and it was hardly the cheap junk Ikea makes.

nb.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:01:05 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, sf says...
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:13:43 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair, furniture,
> > > >> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro kitchen stuff.
> > > >
> > > > Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish modern)
> > > > from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.
> > >
> > Maybe today. Back then Danish modern was a furniture trend that even
> > people in the sticks of Michigan bought and nobody had heard of IKEA.
> > I didn't like it then and I don't like it today.
>
> Americans seem to be more into bling and complicated non matching
> patterns. They may find the Scandinavian simplicity boring.

Perhaps in general. My taste tends toward simple, although not as
simple as Mid-Century Modern. I like Arts and Crafts style. Wish
I could afford this:

<https://stickley.com/>

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-12-17 5:13 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/14/2016 1:29 AM, Je�us wrote:

>> True. Might be a good thing if women's fashion follows the trend, in a
>> way. I really dislike how younger women often dress like whores these
>> days.
>>
> If I had a daughter I wouldn't let her out of the house wearing some of
> the things I see teens wearing these days. Then again, most of their
> mothers are not dressed much better. And the young girls have "tramp
> stamps" (tatoos) across their butts. Won't *that* be attractive when
> they spit out a few kids and fail to lose that 50 lbs. LOL
>

But but but... it is 2016 and women can dress however they want. No slut
shaming allowed. They even hold slutwalks.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:13:43 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/14/2016 1:52 AM, sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Everything 1950's is back in fashion; the clothes, hair,
> > furniture, >> colours. People pay a fortune on Ebay for retro
> > kitchen stuff.
> > >
> > > Even the ugly, characterless homes and furniture (like Danish
> > > modern) from the 50's early 60's. It's called mid-century modern.
> > >
> > >
> > You can thank Ikea for a lot of that bland furniture.
> >
> Maybe today. Back then Danish modern was a furniture trend that even
> people in the sticks of Michigan bought and nobody had heard of IKEA.
> I didn't like it then and I don't like it today.

I'm not to fond of it either. While I don't have many expensive
pieces, most items have a little distinction to them. A fair amount of
it came from the local Freecycle as Don and I enjoy a hobby of
refinishing distressed pieces. We keep the better ones and swap out
the excess back to Freecycle.

It's winter now and too cold to do much of that on the back porch but
last month we finished off 3 captains chairs (they only needed
stripping and a new stain/varnish job). Someone posted a wanted for
some furniture (new home owner) and we sent back pictures. They are
now looking for a cheap (or free) all wood captains chairs to pair with
the three they have and a wood table they got off freecycle. Come
spring, they will bring the table here for us to refinish and any extra
chairs they score in the interum. (Table first, then chairs).

I look forward to working on the table. It's really unique. It is
round and starts in the center with a cross cut oak piece so you can
see the rings then it's filled out with a pattern of more crosscut oak
fitted to the center piece then there are pieces cut to fit that were
stained darker and about 6 inches from edge to center. The legs are
interesting with a sort of knotty natural burl look to them and end in
claw feet. Meantime someone stupid tried to do the 'fling a paintbrush
at it' look which obviously isnt suitable for this piece. They also
apparently used nail polish to give a toenail look to the feet (shaking
head). Anyways, not hard to strip back to the wood and refinish. Call
it 2 days work plus drying time for layers of top coat.

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