In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
> > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
> > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
> > house, my rules. No problems ever.
> >
> > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
>
> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.

What if you have dinner at someone else's place and they serve you
monkey brain?

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-14 9:59 AM, Janet wrote:
>> > In article > ,
>>
>> >> Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
>> >> whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
>> >> fair.
>> >
>> > TFB. I've got no time for professional martyrs who spend their
>> > entire lives playing the victim card.
>>
>>
>> Yet, we are expected to have time and energy to cater to the fad diets
>> of guests. I would be disappointed if I had gone to the expense and
>> effort to make a special meat dish and found out that one or more
>> guests won't eat it because they have adopted a weird diet. I am not
>> going to get all bent out of shape over them not eating the meat any
>> more than I would if they didn't eat nuts because of an issue, or
>> avoided a sweet dessert because they were diabetic. However, I am not
>> prepared to cater to fad diets like vegan. That is what BYOF is for.
>
> Are there any people you approve of who are not exactly like Dave Smith?

Yes, he approves of the people that are not parking in handicapped spaces,
even if they are handicapped. ;-)

Cheri

"Bruce" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, Cheri says...
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm
>> > cooking.
>> > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home.
>> > My
>> > house, my rules. No problems ever.
>> >
>> > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
>>
>> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to
>> their
>> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
>
> What if you have dinner at someone else's place and they serve you
> monkey brain?

I would probably say no thanks and opt for the side dish, OTOH I don't know
about monkey brains, but my brother said monkey meat is pretty good, though
a bit greasy, I believe he had it in the Philippines while in the Navy.

Cheri

"Bruce" wrote in message
T...

In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 12/13/2016 8:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-12-13 8:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >> When we have a vegetarian guest for dinner we will make a suitable
> >> meal.
> >> No big deal.
> >
> > It becomes a bit of a deal when you are doing one dinner for 10 people
> > and are then expected to make a separate meal for three others.
> >
>
>
> Depends. Vegan is tougher than vegetarian. In any case, if we are
> having a roast there are plenty of side to eat, but they would not be
> vegan friendly. We do have peanut butter though.
>
> ==================
>
> Converts of any type are tough.

Try to talk a meat eater out of eating meat. That's just as hard as
trying to make a vegan eat meat.

=============

Of course.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, Cheri says...
> >>
> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm
> >> > cooking.
> >> > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home.
> >> > My
> >> > house, my rules. No problems ever.
> >> >
> >> > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
> >>
> >> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to
> >> their
> >> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
> >
> > What if you have dinner at someone else's place and they serve you
> > monkey brain?
>
> I would probably say no thanks and opt for the side dish

That's what I'd do. Ignore the meat and just eat the side stuff. I don't
understand the meat eaters here who act like it's a major inconvenience
to them when they have a vegetarian/vegan guest. Drama queens.

On 2016-12-14 2:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Ophelia says...

>> Converts of any type are tough.
>
> Try to talk a meat eater out of eating meat. That's just as hard as
> trying to make a vegan eat meat.
>


I don't give a rat's ass if they eat meat. Just don't be showing up at
my house when I am serving a traditional feast that involves meat and
other foods that don't pass vegetarian or vegan muster and expect me to
prepare something special for you. I am not doing to tofurkey. If you
want something that looks and tastes like turkey, eat turkey.


I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests. It was
not until the temporarily vegan great niece came her at Christmas time
that I realized how ridiculous their diet is. Fercrissakes, they don't
even eat honey because it exploits be labour.

On 2016-12-14 2:29 PM, Bruce wrote:

> What if you have dinner at someone else's place and they serve you
> monkey brain?
>
It will lead to a better understanding of you and your flitty sniping.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:29:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the big deal? Do you put away the wine when you have one guest
>>> who doesn't drink?
>>
>> In my case, it depends on the guest. I have 2 friends that are
>> recovering alcoholics. If one of them comes over, I'll hide the adult
>> beverages. Don't want to tempt them.
>
>I see no need to do that at all, I quit smoking years ago, but I don't
>expect smokers not to take a smoke break outside or hide their cigarettes
>because it might tempt me, same thing with dieters, if you don't want it,
>don't eat it, but don't blame me for ruining your diet. Impulse control is a
>good thing.
>
>Cheri

That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is huge...
the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-14 2:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Ophelia says...
>
> >> Converts of any type are tough.
> >
> > Try to talk a meat eater out of eating meat. That's just as hard as
> > trying to make a vegan eat meat.
> >
>
>
> I don't give a rat's ass if they eat meat. Just don't be showing up at
> my house when I am serving a traditional feast that involves meat and
> other foods that don't pass vegetarian or vegan muster and expect me to
> prepare something special for you. I am not doing to tofurkey. If you
> want something that looks and tastes like turkey, eat turkey.

Just cook what you cook and the vegetarian will eat anything except the
meat. No dramas.

> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests. It was
> not until the temporarily vegan great niece came her at Christmas time
> that I realized how ridiculous their diet is. Fercrissakes, they don't
> even eat honey because it exploits be labour.

Relax. Nobody excepts a carnivore to cook vegetarian food. And otherwise
they can bring their own. You act as if they're trying to kill you.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-14 2:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > What if you have dinner at someone else's place and they serve you
> > monkey brain?
> >
> It will lead to a better understanding of you and your flitty sniping.

Drama queen.

Janet UK, what is a "nutroast?

This discussion brings to mind the Everybody Loves Raymond episode with the
"Tofu turkey" for Thanksgiving. That brought tears of laughter. ;-))

N.

On 2016-12-14 4:48 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Janet UK, what is a "nutroast?
>
> This discussion brings to mind the Everybody Loves Raymond episode with the
> "Tofu turkey" for Thanksgiving. That brought tears of laughter. ;-))
>

I don't think my nephew would find it funny. I posted about my brother
and his vegetarian son and DiL and having to do a tofurkey. His younger
brother no longer celebrates with his family and comes to our house or
to my other brothers where a turkey dinner is turkey.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article > , Janet
>says...
>>
>> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree; attention seeking
>Mother
>> moans"Now I?m informed that I must prepare one meal for 10 people and
>> another entirely separate meal for three people." No need for that at
>> all.
>>
>> She's surely preparing a range of vegetables and maybe salads for
>> the others; the vegans can eat the same veg and salads with suitable
>> dressings. She could make a vegan nutroast (the day before; or suggest
>> daughter brings it), and serve it to all as an alternative to turkey
>> stuffing.
>>
>> For starters she can serve a vegetable soup ; for dessert, a
>> fruit salad or fresh pineapple; and make enough for other guests who
>> might prefer one or two lighter fresher healthy choices. None of it is
>> very difficult or complicated.
>>
>> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and the vegans
>> are not completely excluded from the main menu
>
>Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
>whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
>fair.

You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?

In article >,
says...


> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests.

Your loss, you're missing some great (and very healthy) recipes from
around the world. Just because I love eating meat doesn't mean I have to
miss out on the best of vegan and vegetarian dishes.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> Janet UK, what is a "nutroast?

crunchy and tasty combination of chopped nuts seeds and herbs, baked.

fancy version

http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/v...gan-nut-roast/

simpler one

https://www.vegansociety.com/resourc...ccasions/easy-
nut-roast

Janet

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article > , Janet
> >says...
> >>
> >> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree; attention seeking
> >Mother
> >> moans"Now I?m informed that I must prepare one meal for 10 people and
> >> another entirely separate meal for three people." No need for that at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> She's surely preparing a range of vegetables and maybe salads for
> >> the others; the vegans can eat the same veg and salads with suitable
> >> dressings. She could make a vegan nutroast (the day before; or suggest
> >> daughter brings it), and serve it to all as an alternative to turkey
> >> stuffing.
> >>
> >> For starters she can serve a vegetable soup ; for dessert, a
> >> fruit salad or fresh pineapple; and make enough for other guests who
> >> might prefer one or two lighter fresher healthy choices. None of it is
> >> very difficult or complicated.
> >>
> >> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and the vegans
> >> are not completely excluded from the main menu
> >
> >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
> >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
> >fair.
>
> You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?

It's not about me. I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
meat.

What is less offensive than not eating meat?

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:06:54 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article > , Janet
>> >says...
>> >>
>> >> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree; attention seeking
>> >Mother
>> >> moans"Now I?m informed that I must prepare one meal for 10 people and
>> >> another entirely separate meal for three people." No need for that at
>> >> all.
>> >>
>> >> She's surely preparing a range of vegetables and maybe salads for
>> >> the others; the vegans can eat the same veg and salads with suitable
>> >> dressings. She could make a vegan nutroast (the day before; or suggest
>> >> daughter brings it), and serve it to all as an alternative to turkey
>> >> stuffing.
>> >>
>> >> For starters she can serve a vegetable soup ; for dessert, a
>> >> fruit salad or fresh pineapple; and make enough for other guests who
>> >> might prefer one or two lighter fresher healthy choices. None of it is
>> >> very difficult or complicated.
>> >>
>> >> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and the vegans
>> >> are not completely excluded from the main menu
>> >
>> >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
>> >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
>> >fair.
>>
>> You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
>
>It's not about me.

Oh, I think it is

>I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
>who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
>meat.

They would be pretty rare creatures, unless unprovoked in some way to
begin with. Vegans are another matter of course. And I know of no
human carnivores, to be honest. Or I at least have never come across
one, maybe you meant omnivores?

>What is less offensive than not eating meat?

I would regard that as an non sequitur.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:06:54 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
> >> >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
> >> >fair.
> >>
> >> You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
> >
> >It's not about me.
>
> Oh, I think it is
>
> >I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
> >who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
> >meat.
>
> They would be pretty rare creatures, unless unprovoked in some way to
> begin with. Vegans are another matter of course. And I know of no
> human carnivores, to be honest. Or I at least have never come across
> one, maybe you meant omnivores?
>
> >What is less offensive than not eating meat?
>
> I would regard that as an non sequitur.

I regard your entire post as such. Isn't that funny?

On 2016-12-14 7:43 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>
>> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
>> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests.
>
> Your loss, you're missing some great (and very healthy) recipes from
> around the world. Just because I love eating meat doesn't mean I have to
> miss out on the best of vegan and vegetarian dishes.
>
>
No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
disappointed if there was no turkey.

I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:17:11 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:06:54 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
>> >> >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
>> >> >fair.
>> >>
>> >> You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
>> >
>> >It's not about me.
>>
>> Oh, I think it is
>>
>> >I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
>> >who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
>> >meat.
>>
>> They would be pretty rare creatures, unless unprovoked in some way to
>> begin with. Vegans are another matter of course. And I know of no
>> human carnivores, to be honest. Or I at least have never come across
>> one, maybe you meant omnivores?
>>
>> >What is less offensive than not eating meat?
>>
>> I would regard that as an non sequitur.
>
>I regard your entire post as such. Isn't that funny?

Why yes. I might send it off to Dave Chappelle, he could certainly use
some new material.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-14 7:43 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >
> >
> >> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
> >> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests.
> >
> > Your loss, you're missing some great (and very healthy) recipes from
> > around the world. Just because I love eating meat doesn't mean I have to
> > miss out on the best of vegan and vegetarian dishes.
> >
> >
> No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
> some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
> disappointed if there was no turkey.

A tortured industry bird from a turkey factory? What kind of guest would
miss that abomination?

> I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
> posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
> work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.

It's no more a fad diet than eating tortured industry carcasses is a fad
diet. It's an indication of where you are ethically.

On 2016-12-14 9:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>>>
>> No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
>> some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
>> disappointed if there was no turkey.
>
> A tortured industry bird from a turkey factory? What kind of guest would
> miss that abomination?
>
>> I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
>> posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
>> work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.
>
> It's no more a fad diet than eating tortured industry carcasses is a fad
> diet. It's an indication of where you are ethically.
>


It looks like you are suggesting the tradition of a turkey dinner that
is the norm across North America and other places is a fad diet. Wow.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:42:34 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-14 7:43 PM, Janet wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> >
>> >
>> >> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
>> >> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests.
>> >
>> > Your loss, you're missing some great (and very healthy) recipes from
>> > around the world. Just because I love eating meat doesn't mean I have to
>> > miss out on the best of vegan and vegetarian dishes.
>> >
>> >
>> No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
>> some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
>> disappointed if there was no turkey.
>
>A tortured industry bird from a turkey factory? What kind of guest would
>miss that abomination?
>
>> I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
>> posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
>> work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.
>
>It's no more a fad diet than eating tortured industry carcasses is a fad
>diet. It's an indication of where you are ethically.

Ethically schmecethically... 98% of the population subsists entirely
on fast food mystery meat burgers.
I had vegetarian neighbors who I caught at a market parking lot ten
miles from home, both of them and their two grade school daughters
were hunkered down in their car scoffing down Oscar Mayer bologna.
There are no vegetarians, human beings cannot live without some animal
protein every few days, vegetable protein does not contain all 23
amino acids necessary to sustain human life. Even ruminates like
deer, sheep, cows, etc. who seem to be vegetarian eat animal protein,
while grazing they ingest a tremendous quantity of insects. Most
people think hummingbirds subsist on sugar water, pollen, and nectar,
truth is those foods suppy energy so they can hunt insects,
hummingbirds eat their weight in flying insects every day.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-14 9:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> >>>
> >> No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
> >> some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
> >> disappointed if there was no turkey.
> >
> > A tortured industry bird from a turkey factory? What kind of guest would
> > miss that abomination?
> >
> >> I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
> >> posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
> >> work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.
> >
> > It's no more a fad diet than eating tortured industry carcasses is a fad
> > diet. It's an indication of where you are ethically.
> >
>
>
> It looks like you are suggesting the tradition of a turkey dinner that
> is the norm across North America and other places is a fad diet. Wow.

Huh? I said: "... no more a fad diet than...".

In article >, Brooklyn1
says...
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:42:34 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >>
> >> On 2016-12-14 7:43 PM, Janet wrote:
> >> > In article >,
> >> > says...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I don't know much about vegan cooking. I am not going to go out and
> >> >> learn about it for the same of one of a dozen and a half guests.
> >> >
> >> > Your loss, you're missing some great (and very healthy) recipes from
> >> > around the world. Just because I love eating meat doesn't mean I have to
> >> > miss out on the best of vegan and vegetarian dishes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> No loss. I was talking about traditional Christmas dinners. Turkey or
> >> some other roast is the highlight of the meal. Most quests would be
> >> disappointed if there was no turkey.
> >
> >A tortured industry bird from a turkey factory? What kind of guest would
> >miss that abomination?
> >
> >> I have eaten and enjoyed vegan foods and vegetarian dinners. I have
> >> posted about them here. I am just not interested in going to the extra
> >> work to make a second meal for a couple of guests who are into a fad diet.
> >
> >It's no more a fad diet than eating tortured industry carcasses is a fad
> >diet. It's an indication of where you are ethically.
>
> Ethically schmecethically... 98% of the population subsists entirely
> on fast food mystery meat burgers.
> I had vegetarian neighbors who I caught at a market parking lot ten
> miles from home, both of them and their two grade school daughters
> were hunkered down in their car scoffing down Oscar Mayer bologna.

So they weren't vegetarians. Funny anecdote.

> There are no vegetarians, human beings cannot live without some animal
> protein every few days, vegetable protein does not contain all 23
> amino acids necessary to sustain human life. Even ruminates like
> deer, sheep, cows, etc. who seem to be vegetarian eat animal protein,
> while grazing they ingest a tremendous quantity of insects. Most
> people think hummingbirds subsist on sugar water, pollen, and nectar,
> truth is those foods suppy energy so they can hunt insects,
> hummingbirds eat their weight in flying insects every day.

I'm not a ruminant. Nor am I a hummingbird.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:25:30 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>There are no vegetarians, human beings cannot live without some animal
>protein every few days, vegetable protein does not contain all 23
>amino acids necessary to sustain human life.

You're confusing vegetarianism for veganism.

> Even ruminates like
>deer, sheep, cows, etc. who seem to be vegetarian eat animal protein,
>while grazing they ingest a tremendous quantity of insects.

I've seen a deer eat a live bird.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
> > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
> > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
> > house, my rules. No problems ever.
> >
> > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
>
> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
>
Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands. I
remember early in my marriage, I invited one of my husband's friends
to dinner. He didn't say yes and he didn't say no. I knew he was
Jewish, but I didn't know he was orthodox or even what orthodox meant.
He said, "I don't think you'd want to cook for me, because it's
complicated" and then laid out what they can and can't eat together.
It made my head spin, so I agreed that he was correct and we moved on
to another topic of conversation.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:07:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article > , Janet
> > >says...
> > >>
> > >> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree; attention seeking
> > >Mother
> > >> moans"Now I?m informed that I must prepare one meal for 10 people and
> > >> another entirely separate meal for three people." No need for that at
> > >> all.
> > >>
> > >> She's surely preparing a range of vegetables and maybe salads for
> > >> the others; the vegans can eat the same veg and salads with suitable
> > >> dressings. She could make a vegan nutroast (the day before; or suggest
> > >> daughter brings it), and serve it to all as an alternative to turkey
> > >> stuffing.
> > >>
> > >> For starters she can serve a vegetable soup ; for dessert, a
> > >> fruit salad or fresh pineapple; and make enough for other guests who
> > >> might prefer one or two lighter fresher healthy choices. None of it is
> > >> very difficult or complicated.
> > >>
> > >> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and the vegans
> > >> are not completely excluded from the main menu
> > >
> > >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
> > >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
> > >fair.
> >
> > You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
>
> It's not about me. I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
> who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
> meat.
>
> What is less offensive than not eating meat?

Not eating meat and not bragging about it.

Cindy Hamilton

sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
> > > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
> > > house, my rules. No problems ever.
> > >
> > > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
> >
> > Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
> > home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
> >
> Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.

That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:26:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > > Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
> > > > If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
> > > > house, my rules. No problems ever.
> > > >
> > > > Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
> > >
> > > Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
> > > home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
> > >
> > Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
>
> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.

Sometimes I think this is just another manufactured debate, like the
War on Christmas. People pass it on as if it was true, but they are
only a pipeline because it has never happened to them or anyone they
know. Oh, wait. Jill has her SIL story.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 03:19:38 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:07:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >
>> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >In article > , Janet
>> > >says...
>> > >>
>> > >> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree; attention seeking
>> > >Mother
>> > >> moans"Now I?m informed that I must prepare one meal for 10 people and
>> > >> another entirely separate meal for three people." No need for that at
>> > >> all.
>> > >>
>> > >> She's surely preparing a range of vegetables and maybe salads for
>> > >> the others; the vegans can eat the same veg and salads with suitable
>> > >> dressings. She could make a vegan nutroast (the day before; or suggest
>> > >> daughter brings it), and serve it to all as an alternative to turkey
>> > >> stuffing.
>> > >>
>> > >> For starters she can serve a vegetable soup ; for dessert, a
>> > >> fruit salad or fresh pineapple; and make enough for other guests who
>> > >> might prefer one or two lighter fresher healthy choices. None of it is
>> > >> very difficult or complicated.
>> > >>
>> > >> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and the vegans
>> > >> are not completely excluded from the main menu
>> > >
>> > >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
>> > >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
>> > >fair.
>> >
>> > You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
>>
>> It's not about me. I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
>> who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
>> meat.
>>
>> What is less offensive than not eating meat?
>
>Not eating meat and not bragging about it.

That's a better way of putting it.

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton says...
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:07:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:57:21 +1100, Bruce >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article > , Janet
> > > >says...
> > > >>
> > > >> That way, everyone shares some of the vegans food and
> > > >> the vegans
> > > >> are not completely excluded from the main menu
> > > >
> > > >Perfect, except you don't leave any room for the meat eating host to
> > > >whine and bitch about their non meat eating guests. That's just not
> > > >fair.
> > >
> > > You don't eat 'meat' but eat fish, right?
> >
> > It's not about me. I'm defending vegetarians against those carnivores
> > who, for some weird reason, can't handle that vegetarians don't eat
> > meat.
> >
> > What is less offensive than not eating meat?
>
> Not eating meat and not bragging about it.

I don't brag about it. I'm not even a vegetarian. I was merely defending
vegetarians against intolerant, narrow-minded meat eaters.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
>
> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
>
>
Me either. The only vegan I know is an Indian guy. I've never
heard any of my friends proclaim to be vegan or vegetarian. If
they were and came to my house they'd just have to nibble on what's
already on the table.

Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious? You never hear of a
diabetic demanding or proclaiming and expect the world to cater to
their 'diet of the week.'

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
> >
> > That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> > any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> > dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
> >
> >
> Me either. The only vegan I know is an Indian guy. I've never
> heard any of my friends proclaim to be vegan or vegetarian. If
> they were and came to my house they'd just have to nibble on what's
> already on the table.

That's all there is to it.

> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious? You never hear of a
> diabetic demanding or proclaiming and expect the world to cater to
> their 'diet of the week.'

In the current discussion here, the meat eaters are obnoxious drama
queens. I guess that's what meat does to people

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?

Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
of any kind sometimes do).

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
>
> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
> of any kind sometimes do).

Small correction: they ARE morally superior to meat eaters and meat
eaters know it. That's why they hate vegetarians so much.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:52:22 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
>>
>> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
>> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
>> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
>> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
>> of any kind sometimes do).
>
>Small correction: they ARE morally superior to meat eaters and meat
>eaters know it. That's why they hate vegetarians so much.

Why do have have to be such an idiot like this?

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:52:22 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
> >>
> >> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
> >> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
> >> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
> >> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
> >> of any kind sometimes do).
> >
> >Small correction: they ARE morally superior to meat eaters and meat
> >eaters know it. That's why they hate vegetarians so much.
>
> Why do have have to be such an idiot like this?

That's a loaded question

On 2016-12-15 2:58 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:52:22 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >, Jeßus says...

>>> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
>>> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
>>> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
>>> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
>>> of any kind sometimes do).
>>
>> Small correction: they ARE morally superior to meat eaters and meat
>> eaters know it. That's why they hate vegetarians so much.
>
> Why do have have to be such an idiot like this?
>


You've probably seen that thing being shared around on FaceBook about
how when you are dead you don't know it. It's difficult for those around
you. It's the same when you are stupid.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
> >
> > That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> > any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> > dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
> >
> >
> Me either. The only vegan I know is an Indian guy. I've never
> heard any of my friends proclaim to be vegan or vegetarian. If
> they were and came to my house they'd just have to nibble on what's
> already on the table.
>
> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?

You've just said, you don't know any. I do, and it's just not true to
say "many are obnoxious".

Janet UK