On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 8:49:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 7:39:19 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:36:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-12-15 6:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was talking to an old guy that used to raise capons. He said that
> > > > > the
> > > > > young male chickens would have their testicles removed by accessing
> > > > > them
> > > > > through the 2nd and 3rd rib. He said that they don't feel a thing.
> > > > > That's a very good thing. He said that the chickens grow fast and
> > > > > become
> > > > > several times normal size. They are about the size of a small
> > > > > turkey.
> > > > > They are very tender he said, smacking his lips.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You've never had capon? Find a good butcher and buy one. They are a
> > > > little more expensive that chicken, but I usually they yield more meat
> > > > than a similar size chicken, and the meat is tastier and juicier.
> > > > Unfortunately, the can be difficult to find.
> > >
> > > I never had a capon. If I wanted one, I'd have to get a cock and do the
> > > nasty deed myself. Luckily, there's videos on YouTube.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUx5d31BKk
> > >
> > > =================
> > >
> > > Don't they even sew up the wound??? Doesn't that leave it open to
> > > infection??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > My guess is that they don't care if the wound gets infected. After all,
> > chickens ain't people.
> >
> > ====
> >
> > Perhaps not but they are doing that procedure to ensure they grow larger
> > more quickly. Would you want to eat infected meat???
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> Is this a trick question?
>
> =================
>
> If those farmers wanted good prices for that meat surely they would make
> sure it wasn't infected.
>
> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean.
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's an interesting question for sure - why don't these guys suture the wound or follow sterile protocols? Beats the heck out of me. I don't know nothing about chickens. I am an expert at fried chicken though.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:13:03 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:28:53 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> > That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
>>> > outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
>>> > butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
>>> > filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
>>> > people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
>>> > they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
>>> > trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is huge...
>>> > the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.
>>>
>>> Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio and
>>> a
>>> large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the ground, you
>>> should find a better class of friends, or at least some friends.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>> I had an addition built onto the back of my house 9 years ago.
>> Some of the workers were smokers and threw their butts on the
>> ground. I didn't think anything of it until for two years
>> after the job was complete I was STILL picking up butts out
>> of my yard. Darn things never disintegrate and if I knew I'd
>> be spending my free time picking them up I'd certainly have
>> offered them ashtrays or at least buckets of sand.
>
>I don't doubt it, people used to throw their cigarette butts everywhere. If
>I saw them, they would definitely be picking them up.
>
>Cheri

But you just said it doesn't bother you at all... and implied that
your friends are too classy to toss cigarette butts.
Once being a smoker myself I know very well that when smokers are
outdoors they automatically unconciously toss their butts on the
ground even if there's an ash tray right in front of them. Most
smokers don't bother to use their car ash tray, they flick ashes and
butts out the window onto the road. Once a week before I mow I walk
over a thousand feet of road shoulder picking up butts, paper,
bottles, cans, and assorted trash, especially fast food wrappings... I
mow both sides of the road in front of my house.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:12:46 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-16 1:24 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:22:43 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:29:46 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
>>>>
>>>> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
>>>> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
>>>> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
>>>> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
>>>> of any kind sometimes do).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Bingo! Give that man a cee-gar!!
>>
>> Thanks, but could I have a spliff instead please?
>>
>Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
>medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
>recreational use.


It's about time too. MM has been legalised here in Tasmania, although
I see no signs of it being actually grown and dispensed in that
capacity as yet. But it's coming. All moot anyway, as I grow as much
of it as I want anyway. The cops really don't care much about it here
any more, they're more concerned with meth/ice, etc.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:58:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
>> medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
>> recreational use.
>
>I wish they would make it legal in my state. I have no urge to smoke
>it anymore but I love the plants. I would grow many houseplants of
>the cool weed.

Agreed, they make a beautiful ornamental plant

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 8:49:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 7:39:19 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:36:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2016-12-15 6:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was talking to an old guy that used to raise capons. He said
> > > > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > young male chickens would have their testicles removed by
> > > > > accessing
> > > > > them
> > > > > through the 2nd and 3rd rib. He said that they don't feel a thing.
> > > > > That's a very good thing. He said that the chickens grow fast and
> > > > > become
> > > > > several times normal size. They are about the size of a small
> > > > > turkey.
> > > > > They are very tender he said, smacking his lips.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You've never had capon? Find a good butcher and buy one. They are a
> > > > little more expensive that chicken, but I usually they yield more
> > > > meat
> > > > than a similar size chicken, and the meat is tastier and juicier.
> > > > Unfortunately, the can be difficult to find.
> > >
> > > I never had a capon. If I wanted one, I'd have to get a cock and do
> > > the
> > > nasty deed myself. Luckily, there's videos on YouTube.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUx5d31BKk
> > >
> > > =================
> > >
> > > Don't they even sew up the wound??? Doesn't that leave it open to
> > > infection??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > My guess is that they don't care if the wound gets infected. After all,
> > chickens ain't people.
> >
> > ====
> >
> > Perhaps not but they are doing that procedure to ensure they grow larger
> > more quickly. Would you want to eat infected meat???
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> Is this a trick question?
>
> =================
>
> If those farmers wanted good prices for that meat surely they would make
> sure it wasn't infected.
>
> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean.
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's an interesting question for sure - why don't these guys suture the
wound or follow sterile protocols? Beats the heck out of me. I don't know
nothing about chickens. I am an expert at fried chicken though.

==================

You and fried chicken??? Of that I have no doubt <g>


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote:
>>"Brooklyn1" wrote:
>>
>>> That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
>>> outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
>>> butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
>>> filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
>>> people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
>>> they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
>>> trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is huge...
>>> the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.
>>
>>Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio and
>>a
>>large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the ground, you
>>should find a better class of friends, or at least some friends.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Now you're just being a snide snot... my friends don't smoke which
> makes them a better class than yours... not to mention that they're
> educated, I don't think you are going to find any intelligent mature
> adults who think smoking or being around smokers is smart. It's 14ºF
> outside today, it wouldn't be classy at all to send guests outside.
> And just how would I regulate where people wander when outdoors... you
> obviously are a smoker yourself or you treat your guests like school
> children by commanding them to sit and where, or you have a very tiny
> yard. I used to tell those visitors who smoke to do their puffing in
> their own cars and use their own ashtray and they did but I no longer
> invite anyone who smokes, they reek, they stink, they ruin the visit
> for everyone who doesn't smoke. I no longer know or associate with
> anyone who still smokes... those who did smoke have quit or they died.
> I used to smoke but I quit 30 years ago... smoking is a seriously
> obnoxious addiction. Smoking tobacco is on the same level as being a
> crackhead.

Yes, but I'm not a control freak like you are, right down to what people
eat, how they dress, and on and on into every aspect of someone elses life
as proven here on a daily basis. I assume adults can make their own choices.
It's not my business, and certainly not yours. As far as obnoxious goes, you
win...hands down.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:13:03 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:28:53 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> > That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
>>>> > outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
>>>> > butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
>>>> > filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
>>>> > people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
>>>> > they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
>>>> > trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is
>>>> > huge...
>>>> > the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio
>>>> and
>>>> a
>>>> large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the ground, you
>>>> should find a better class of friends, or at least some friends.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I had an addition built onto the back of my house 9 years ago.
>>> Some of the workers were smokers and threw their butts on the
>>> ground. I didn't think anything of it until for two years
>>> after the job was complete I was STILL picking up butts out
>>> of my yard. Darn things never disintegrate and if I knew I'd
>>> be spending my free time picking them up I'd certainly have
>>> offered them ashtrays or at least buckets of sand.
>>
>>I don't doubt it, people used to throw their cigarette butts everywhere.
>>If
>>I saw them, they would definitely be picking them up.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> But you just said it doesn't bother you at all... and implied that
> your friends are too classy to toss cigarette butts.
> Once being a smoker myself I know very well that when smokers are
> outdoors they automatically unconciously toss their butts on the
> ground even if there's an ash tray right in front of them. Most
> smokers don't bother to use their car ash tray, they flick ashes and
> butts out the window onto the road. Once a week before I mow I walk
> over a thousand feet of road shoulder picking up butts, paper,
> bottles, cans, and assorted trash, especially fast food wrappings... I
> mow both sides of the road in front of my house.

But I was responding to a post about workers in the yard, read for
comprehension you silly goose.

Cheri

On 2016-12-16 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
>> medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
>> recreational use.
>
> I wish they would make it legal in my state. I have no urge to smoke
> it anymore but I love the plants. I would grow many houseplants of
> the cool weed.

I wish it had been legal when I was younger. I have no interest in
smoking it now, but I hate to see people going to jail over a harmless
substance.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-16 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
> >> medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
> >> recreational use.
> >
> > I wish they would make it legal in my state. I have no urge to smoke
> > it anymore but I love the plants. I would grow many houseplants of
> > the cool weed.
>
> I wish it had been legal when I was younger. I have no interest in
> smoking it now, but I hate to see people going to jail over a harmless
> substance.

I'd expect you to say that smoking pot leads to tattoos and general
unemployability.

On 2016-12-16 6:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-16 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
>>>> medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
>>>> recreational use.
>>>
>>> I wish they would make it legal in my state. I have no urge to smoke
>>> it anymore but I love the plants. I would grow many houseplants of
>>> the cool weed.
>>
>> I wish it had been legal when I was younger. I have no interest in
>> smoking it now, but I hate to see people going to jail over a harmless
>> substance.
>
> I'd expect you to say that smoking pot leads to tattoos and general
> unemployability.
>

I sort of expected that if you bothered to reply to that it would be
something stupid. I was right again.

On 12/14/2016 3:56 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:29:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's the big deal? Do you put away the wine when you have one guest
>>>> who doesn't drink?
>>>
>>> In my case, it depends on the guest. I have 2 friends that are
>>> recovering alcoholics. If one of them comes over, I'll hide the adult
>>> beverages. Don't want to tempt them.
>>
>> I see no need to do that at all, I quit smoking years ago, but I don't
>> expect smokers not to take a smoke break outside or hide their cigarettes
>> because it might tempt me, same thing with dieters, if you don't want it,
>> don't eat it, but don't blame me for ruining your diet. Impulse control is a
>> good thing.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
> outdoors that smoke wafts into the house

How on earth would it waft into the house? You've stated before you
never open the windows.

> and I don't want cigarette
> butts tossed in my yard...
(snippage)

No one, not even smokers, want cigarette butts in their yard.

Jill

On 12/16/2016 2:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:13:03 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:28:53 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
>>>>> outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
>>>>> butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
>>>>> filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
>>>>> people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
>>>>> they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
>>>>> trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is huge...
>>>>> the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio and
>>>> a
>>>> large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the ground, you
>>>> should find a better class of friends, or at least some friends.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I had an addition built onto the back of my house 9 years ago.
>>> Some of the workers were smokers and threw their butts on the
>>> ground. I didn't think anything of it until for two years
>>> after the job was complete I was STILL picking up butts out
>>> of my yard. Darn things never disintegrate and if I knew I'd
>>> be spending my free time picking them up I'd certainly have
>>> offered them ashtrays or at least buckets of sand.
>>
>> I don't doubt it, people used to throw their cigarette butts everywhere. If
>> I saw them, they would definitely be picking them up.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> But you just said it doesn't bother you at all... and implied that
> your friends are too classy to toss cigarette butts.

Cheri didn't say that, it was itsjoan who talked about *construction
workers* throwing butts in the yard when building an addition to her
house. Cheri said she has a nice patio set with an ashtray.

> Once being a smoker myself I know very well that when smokers are
> outdoors they automatically unconciously toss their butts on the
> ground even if there's an ash tray right in front of them. Most
> smokers don't bother to use their car ash tray, they flick ashes and
> butts out the window onto the road. Once a week before I mow I walk
> over a thousand feet of road shoulder picking up butts, paper,
> bottles, cans, and assorted trash, especially fast food wrappings... I
> mow both sides of the road in front of my house.
>
You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out
the car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.

Jill

On 12/15/2016 12:51 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:26:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>> Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
>>>>> If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
>>>>> house, my rules. No problems ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
>>>> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
>>>>
>>> Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
>>
>> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
>> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
>> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
>
> Sometimes I think this is just another manufactured debate, like the
> War on Christmas. People pass it on as if it was true, but they are
> only a pipeline because it has never happened to them or anyone they
> know. Oh, wait. Jill has her SIL story.
>
>
She's not my SIL, she's my brother's live-in girlfriend. She didn't
have intolerances or follow any special diets. She was just extremely
picky. I pretty much told my brother to take her out to eat OR go to
the grocery store, buy some food and do your own cooking.

Jill

On 2016-12-16 7:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 2:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out
> the car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.


I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
Someone else will pick that up for you".

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:41:41 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-16 7:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/16/2016 2:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out
>> the car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.
>
>
>I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
>and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
>Someone else will pick that up for you".

I prefer butts to the gum people spit out - the cost to the stores to
remove it is very high and you know that in the end it us as customers
who pay for that!

In article >, jmcquown says...
>
> On 12/14/2016 3:56 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:29:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> >>> Bruce wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> What's the big deal? Do you put away the wine when you have one guest
> >>>> who doesn't drink?
> >>>
> >>> In my case, it depends on the guest. I have 2 friends that are
> >>> recovering alcoholics. If one of them comes over, I'll hide the adult
> >>> beverages. Don't want to tempt them.
> >>
> >> I see no need to do that at all, I quit smoking years ago, but I don't
> >> expect smokers not to take a smoke break outside or hide their cigarettes
> >> because it might tempt me, same thing with dieters, if you don't want it,
> >> don't eat it, but don't blame me for ruining your diet. Impulse control is a
> >> good thing.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
> > outdoors that smoke wafts into the house
>
> How on earth would it waft into the house? You've stated before you
> never open the windows.

lol

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-16 7:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 12/16/2016 2:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out
> > the car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.
>
>
> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
> Someone else will pick that up for you".

And afterwards, do you walk a bit straighter, with a little skip in your
step?

In article >, jmcquown says...
>
> On 12/15/2016 12:51 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:26:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite
> >>>> me to their
> >>>> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
> >>>>
> >>> Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
> >>
> >> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> >> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> >> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
> >
> > Sometimes I think this is just another manufactured debate, like the
> > War on Christmas. People pass it on as if it was true, but they are
> > only a pipeline because it has never happened to them or anyone they
> > know. Oh, wait. Jill has her SIL story.
> >
> >
> She's not my SIL, she's my brother's live-in girlfriend.

Same thing these days.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 12:41:09 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> "Cheri" wrote:
>>>"Brooklyn1" wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
>>>> outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
>>>> butts tossed in my yard... those filters last forever and mowing a
>>>> filter fluffs it up like mowing a tampax. I even despise that some
>>>> people nearby use wood burning stoves, they're foul smelling because
>>>> they burn all kinds of illegal crap... if they get caught burning
>>>> trash, treated lumber, painted wood, plywood, etc. the fine is huge...
>>>> the laws have changed, can't burn leaves either.
>>>
>>>Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio and
>>>a
>>>large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the ground, you
>>>should find a better class of friends, or at least some friends.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> Now you're just being a snide snot... my friends don't smoke which
>> makes them a better class than yours... not to mention that they're
>> educated, I don't think you are going to find any intelligent mature
>> adults who think smoking or being around smokers is smart. It's 14ºF
>> outside today, it wouldn't be classy at all to send guests outside.
>> And just how would I regulate where people wander when outdoors... you
>> obviously are a smoker yourself or you treat your guests like school
>> children by commanding them to sit and where, or you have a very tiny
>> yard. I used to tell those visitors who smoke to do their puffing in
>> their own cars and use their own ashtray and they did but I no longer
>> invite anyone who smokes, they reek, they stink, they ruin the visit
>> for everyone who doesn't smoke. I no longer know or associate with
>> anyone who still smokes... those who did smoke have quit or they died.
>> I used to smoke but I quit 30 years ago... smoking is a seriously
>> obnoxious addiction. Smoking tobacco is on the same level as being a
>> crackhead.
>
>Yes, but I'm not a control freak like you are, right down to what people
>eat, how they dress, and on and on into every aspect of someone elses life
>as proven here on a daily basis. I assume adults can make their own choices.
>It's not my business, and certainly not yours. As far as obnoxious goes, you
>win...hands down.
>
>Cheri

Um, I don't give a flying **** what people do in their own homes.
I do care what people do in my home.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:31:54 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/15/2016 12:51 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:26:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
> >>>>> If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
> >>>>> house, my rules. No problems ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
> >>>> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
> >>>>
> >>> Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
> >>
> >> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
> >> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
> >> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
> >
> > Sometimes I think this is just another manufactured debate, like the
> > War on Christmas. People pass it on as if it was true, but they are
> > only a pipeline because it has never happened to them or anyone they
> > know. Oh, wait. Jill has her SIL story.
> >
> >
> She's not my SIL, she's my brother's live-in girlfriend. She didn't
> have intolerances or follow any special diets. She was just extremely
> picky. I pretty much told my brother to take her out to eat OR go to
> the grocery store, buy some food and do your own cooking.
>
That's the one!



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 12/16/2016 7:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-16 7:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/16/2016 2:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out
>> the car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.
>
>
> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
> Someone else will pick that up for you".
>
I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.

Jill

On 12/16/2016 9:00 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:31:54 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/2016 12:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:26:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:25:20 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not for me. If I invite you to my house, I'll tell you what I'm cooking.
>>>>>>> If you don't like it, either bring along something else or stay home. My
>>>>>>> house, my rules. No problems ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Holiday meals do NOT need to be stressful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Gary, same with me, if they don't like my menu, invite me to their
>>>>>> home and showcase their talents, or just stay home.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I've never had anyone make those kinds of demands.
>>>>
>>>> That's my line of thinking but as with you, I've never had anyone make
>>>> any food demands. I've had many houseguests over and also gone to
>>>> dinner at others houses. Never have I heard a problem with food.
>>>
>>> Sometimes I think this is just another manufactured debate, like the
>>> War on Christmas. People pass it on as if it was true, but they are
>>> only a pipeline because it has never happened to them or anyone they
>>> know. Oh, wait. Jill has her SIL story.
>>>
>>>
>> She's not my SIL, she's my brother's live-in girlfriend. She didn't
>> have intolerances or follow any special diets. She was just extremely
>> picky. I pretty much told my brother to take her out to eat OR go to
>> the grocery store, buy some food and do your own cooking.
>>
> That's the one!
>
>
Yep. She did love my chicken & dumplings. Here's the thing. I made
a really large pot of chicken & dumplings. I used four large chicken
leg quarters. There was lots of meat on the chicken. It made a nice
tasty broth. Little did she know I added onion, carrot, bay leaf and
herbs. Of course I strained out the cooked vegetables. Then I made
some drop dumplings.

That pot of chicken & dumplings *should* have been enough to feed three
people. For a couple of days. Nope, they ate it all. In one sitting.

I wasn't about to let them eat me out house and home and also have to
try to satisfy her whims.

Jill

On 12/15/2016 5:47 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
>>
>> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
>> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
>> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
>> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
>> of any kind sometimes do).
>
> I've met many vegans and vegetarians but none of them were like that.
>
> Janet UK
>
I never known anyone (personally) announce they were vegetarian or
vegan, except on Usenet. I've certainly never tried to convince a
vegetarian or vegan to change their eating habits. I've had plenty of
people online try to make me feel bad for enjoying meat. Not going to
happen.

I make plenty of meals that don't include meat at all. I just don't
crow about them as if I'm somehow superior when I don't eat meat.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out the
> car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.
>
> Jill

Me either. Even when I did smoke, I never smoked in my house, and all of my
friends have always respected that, these days the only person who smokes is
my brother and I will sit on the patio and visit with him while he smokes
more often than not. As an ex-smoker of several years, I still like the
smell of burning tobacco though many people don't.

Cheri

In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news >
> > You're generalizing again. I have *never* thrown a cigarette butt out the
> > car window. Ever. Never tossed one in someone's yard, either.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Me either. Even when I did smoke, I never smoked in my house, and all of my
> friends have always respected that, these days the only person who smokes is
> my brother and I will sit on the patio and visit with him while he smokes
> more often than not. As an ex-smoker of several years, I still like the
> smell of burning tobacco though many people don't.

So do I. Sometimes I follow a smoker for a bit. I quit 10+ years ago.

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 11:56:09 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 5:47 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
> >>
> >> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
> >> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
> >> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
> >> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
> >> of any kind sometimes do).
> >
> > I've met many vegans and vegetarians but none of them were like that.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> I never known anyone (personally) announce they were vegetarian or
> vegan, except on Usenet.

I've lived in a college town since 1975. I can't count how many
vegetarians or vegans I've known.

Cindy Hamilton

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> >
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Pretty soon you will be able to buy that stuff legally. We already had
> > > medical marijuana, but by spring we will be able to get it for
> > > recreational use.
> >
> > I wish they would make it legal in my state. I have no urge to smoke
> > it anymore but I love the plants. I would grow many houseplants of
> > the cool weed.
> >
> > For now, I have "Japanese Maple" trees...the green leaf kind. They
> > look very similar. There's also "False Aralia" (sp?) that looks close.
>
> I grow this in my garden.
>
> http://plantlust.com/plants/3871/datisca-cannabina/

That's also a nice looking plant.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
> Someone else will pick that up for you".

LOL! One of these days, some stranger is gonna kick your ass
or shoot you in the face for not minding your own business.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 11:56:09 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 5:47 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:53:20 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why are so many vegans/vegetarians obnoxious?
> >>
> >> Some of them feel morally superior, and assume their way is the only
> >> legitimate way. Sometimes it alleviates any doubts they have about
> >> their own self worth, giving some meaning to their lives. Some also
> >> take advantage/abuse it for attention seeking reasons (as minorities
> >> of any kind sometimes do).
> >
> > I've met many vegans and vegetarians but none of them were like
> > that.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> I never known anyone (personally) announce they were vegetarian or
> vegan, except on Usenet.

I've lived in a college town since 1975. I can't count how many
vegetarians or vegans I've known.

Cindy Hamilton

===================

I knew a lot when I was in uni and in fact I became a veggie for about 10
years, but I haven't met any since.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2016-12-17, jmcquown > wrote:

> On 12/16/2016 7:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
>> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
>> Someone else will pick that up for you".

> I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.

Same, same, fer chewing gum.

I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|

nb

Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> > That's one thing I don't permit, no smoking on my property... even
> > outdoors that smoke wafts into the house and I don't want cigarette
> > butts tossed in my yard...
>
> Doesn't bother me at all. I have a nice table and chairs on the patio
> and a large ashtray. I have never had anyone throw a butt on the
> ground, you should find a better class of friends, or at least some
> friends.
>
> Cheri

Same here Cheri, but if we have a non-smoking guest, then we all smoke
outside (fully screened patio with a picnic table and a few ashtrays at
one end). Thats when the weather is decent. When it's nasty outside,
it's the far 4th bedroom/sunroom. My guests of course know this is a
smoke friendly, pet friendly place *before* they come.

Grin, sometimes we swap it if the weather is really nice and there is
no smoking inside (includes patio where main party tends to be then)
and we have a little smoking nook setup on an outdoor table with 2
chairs and a wet sand bucket. I'd guess about 30-35ft away but in view
of patio.

My house was formerly owned by a party animal so it has some unique
design features. One is the 13x44ft screened porch with a large heavy
duty picnic table that had to be assembled inside it. When we first got
the house, there were 2 in there but we disassembled one and put it in
the yard because we wanted more 'free space'.

Over time that outside one needed repairs and a new homeowner took it
home to fix. That allowed them to have something fixable for about 20$
lumber. They wanted one but couldnt afford new because there were so
many other things a new homeowner has to deal with getting!

Folks who've been here a long time might recall our frequent yard
parties here. That outside picnic table would parallel the inside one
and be for eating, while a smokers yard nook would be where it still is
today, at the smaller table with a few chairs.

Since it's pretty much the same folks routinely (fewer now than in
2007-2009), they even know where the bucket is that all ashtrays get
emptied into if we don't catch it. Thats a cat litter bucket filled
with sudsy water and also used for the coals from the fireplace.

Unlike Sheldon, we do pretty regular small entertainment parties. The
no-muss, no-fuss sorts (potluck, about once a month, 5-10 people).
Gary (a different one, this one lives 2 doors down from us) has become
a regular along with Cindy, Jake, Art, Yolanda and Ed (plus 5 others
who come sometimes).

Gary and Ed also come over pretty often to watch a big football game or
some other sports event with Don in the family room. It's got a 50inch
flatscreen back there. Neither of them have one and Don likes the
company as they yell at the referees. Thats the other end of the room
where I showed pictures of the big table and some pantry shelves.

--

On 17 Dec 2016 15:18:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-12-17, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2016 7:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
>>> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
>>> Someone else will pick that up for you".
>
>> I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.
>
>Same, same, fer chewing gum.
>
>I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
>discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
>diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
>film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
>many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
>ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|
>
>nb
>
Why do you assume it was only young girls doing this???????

On 2016-12-17 10:18 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-17, jmcquown > wrote:
>

>> I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.
>
> Same, same, fer chewing gum.
>
> I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
> discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
> diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
> film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
> many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
> ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|

That's why chewing gum is banned in Singapore.

> nb
>
>

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:48:57 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-17 10:18 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-12-17, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>
>>> I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.
>>
>> Same, same, fer chewing gum.
>>
>> I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
>> discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
>> diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
>> film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
>> many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
>> ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|
>
>That's why chewing gum is banned in Singapore.
>
>> nb
>>
>>
Very wise of them, it's an unattractive habit. Recently a woman in
line behind me was snapping and chomping and finally I turned and in a
very cold voice asked her to cease and desist until I was checked out!
She seemed surprised that I found it offensive, arrrggghh, they should
be made to sit in front of a mirror and chomp and snap for half an
hour, bet that would cure them.

On 2016-12-17 10:42 AM, wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 15:18:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>> I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
>> discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
>> diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
>> film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
>> many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
>> ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|
>>
>> nb
>>
> Why do you assume it was only young girls doing this???????

I have no reason to think nb's observations would be any different from
mine. I see a lot more young women chewing gum than men. Some boys may
be chewing bubble gum when they are playing, but he was talking about a
parking garage at Sears, not the place where kids are usually playing
unaccompanied, and parents don't usually let their kids chew gum when
they are out shopping. No doubt things are different where you live. It
might be those octigenarian soccer players.

On 2016-12-17, > wrote:

> Why do you assume it was only young girls doing this???????

Prolly fer the same reason you assume I'm incorrect.

nb

On 12/16/2016 11:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 7:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I often see people flicking their butts on the way into stores, malls
>> and restaurants, and I usually fine myself telling them "Don't worry.
>> Someone else will pick that up for you".
>>
> I'm so sorry you have to see that. I *never* do.

The unfortunate thing is that there are Many smokers out
there making you all look bad. They had to ban smoking
on the beaches because smokers thought of them as big giant
ashtrays.

Presumably these are people who love the beach. Go figure.

Then you have the ones who flick it out the car window, or they
empty their ashtray onto the pavement.

I don't picture you doing that, ever. That is what people see,
though.

nancy

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:42:44 -0400, wrote:

>On 17 Dec 2016 15:18:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>Same, same, fer chewing gum.
>>
>>I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
>>discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
>>diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
>>film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
>>many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
>>ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|
>>
>>nb
>>
>Why do you assume it was only young girls doing this???????

The sexist misogynistic pig!!!!!!
Where's Germaine Greer when you need her?

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:25:40 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>LOL! One of these days, some stranger is gonna kick your ass
>or shoot you in the face for not minding your own business.

Why doesn't that ever happen to Mormons or Jehovah Witlesses?
It's just not fair.

On 12/17/2016 10:18 AM, notbob wrote:

> I was entering a Sears store from an underground garage. TThose flat
> discs of gum reflected the light jes perfectly and looked like so many
> diamonds reflecting light. I always regret not getting that shot on
> film. Looked beautiful, almost surreal, but basically it told me how
> many young girls had zero qualms about tossing their gum on the
> ground. Musta been a couple thousand discs. 8|

I never noticed it, but one day I saw a guy working at Costco with a
specialized scraper getting gum off the floor. Inside. He had plenty
to scrape up.

nancy