On 12/18/2016 6:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> How much training do you think it takes to drive a truck safely. It has
> a lot more to do with the ridiculous schedules they are required to
> maintain and the ever increasing loads they have to haul. The used to
> have a limit of 40 feet for trailers. It was increased to 48 feet, and
> later to 53 feet. That let to a lot more tractor trailers jackknifing in
> heavy traffic. There is a short time lag from the time tractor brakes
> engage before the trailers to, so the tail wags the dog. Every time we
> get a strong wind we see tractor trailers flipping over, and it is most
> often a truck with an empty 53 foot trailer.
>

Times have changed. The NJ Turnpike has a set of lanes that does not
allow trucks and a set of lanes for trucks and cars. Thirty years ago
I'd opt to go in the truck lanes. You were traveling with professional
drivers and it was easy to travel with them. Not so much today. Too
many cowboys out there now.

There was an article in the paper a few month back that said some of the
trucking firms were going to request the age for commercial drivers be
lowered to 18 because they need more drivers. Scary to think of
teenagers with little experience piloting 80,000 pound rigs.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:55:48 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> That problem seems endemic to all western nations. It's like scallops
> in Tasmania. They get shucked in Thailand, then shipped back here and
> sold as 'fresh scallops'. Can't get people to do the work in Tasmania,
> they say. Needless to say, I don't buy them any more and rely on
> friends who occasionally give me their excess ones which I shuck
> myself.

That's total BS by the employer. They send their scallops to Thailand
because wages are lower and there's no oversight, so they can treat
their workers like slaves. Employers use the same type of BS line
about no skilled workers here too (take engineers), so they can apply
for H-1B. They can't attract US citizens at the pitiful amount they
pay foreigners from India... because our standard of living is higher
and therefore more costly. http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B_Visa.aspx.


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On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>
>>
>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>
> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> wouldn't do that though.
>

Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:59:32 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:34:35 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>
>The unemployment rate is much lower here than the Republicans would
>like you to believe. Those who would work those jobs work in nearby
>Cities where a higher minimum wage and included health insurance is
>the norm, so the outlying areas that have lower minimum wages (with or
>without health insurance) beg for workers. That's capitalism for you.

My state is currently at 3.8%. The United States in November, 2016
was 4.6%.
Janet US

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
>>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>
>> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>> wouldn't do that though.
>>
>
>Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.

I'm sure such people could be found.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
> >
> > Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> > your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> > won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >
>
> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.

What do they want, a certified CPA? Maybe they should contract out to
India.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:58:46 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> >> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> >> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >>
> >
> >I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
> >local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
> >find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>
> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> wouldn't do that though.

Agree. They won't spend what it takes to make or attract qualified
employees, so they cry a pity river to customers who ask why the store
isn't better staffed.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:19:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> >> thing to hold against a place.
> >>
> >
> > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
>
>
> I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.

Self-checkout is fine for only a few items, but I am not self-checking
more than a handful... it takes me way too long and I leave feeling
angry.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:12:52 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >
> > On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> > >> thing to hold against a place.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> >
> >
> > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
>
> You must be against automation too.

Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
of us are not.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:18:27 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
> >
> >
> Aldi's never had self checkout nor baggers so nobody is being 'deprived'
> of a job. Besides all the fast food joints around here are begging for
> people.

You go right ahead and tell yourself that, but don't expect the rest
of us to buy that line of BS.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article >, Jeßus says...
> > >>
> > >> I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.
> > >
> > >And you don't go to places that have them?
> >
> > Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
> > know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
> > serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
> > there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.
>
> Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
> they also don't bag for you.

Why would he ever step foot in one? Do you think Aldi will be his
only choice?


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:36:00 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> "Bruce" wrote in message
> T...
>
> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article >, Jeßus says...
> > >>
> > >> I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.
> > >
> > >And you don't go to places that have them?
> >
> > Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
> > know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
> > serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
> > there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.
>
> Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
> they also don't bag for you.
>
> =====================
>
> Our check out operators always ask. If you want they will bag, if not, they
> leave you alone

Same here, except they don't ask. If you want to bag, they won't stop
you.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:44:34 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 18-Dec-2016, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > >
> > > shoppers too.
> >
> > We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> > on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
> > (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
> > TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
>
> Perhaps the same issue for you; but, Aldi is not self-checkout, it is
> self-bagging. You empty your cart onto a conveyor belt, the checker scans
> the code and puts the item in a waiting cart; you pay, then bag your
> groceries and leave. You probably won't like the carts either; you put 25
> cents in a slot to unlock a cart, you get your quarter back when you return
> the cart to the cart corral.
>
> Trader Joe's is part of a different Aldi than the Aldi US stores. There are
> two Aldi's; created to settle a family dispute over business direction.
> TJ's is owned by Aldi Sud (south), which operates in the UK and large parts
> of Europe. Aldi Nord (north) operates the Aldi US stores, as well as
> elsewhere The are two different companies and make business direction
> decisions independently.

Thanks, I knew about the family spat and Aldi Nord & Sud, but I read
something (maybe here) when someone said they saw Trader Joe's branded
products on Aldi shelves. How do you explain that? Just a question,
not a challenge.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:15:02 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > > shoppers too.
> >
> > We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> > on self checkout.
>
> They don't; they have checkout staff. You have to bag everything
> yourself; someone said that would be no hardship to anyone who uses
> self-checkout in other stores.

If I am required to bag my groceries, it means I'm acting as an unpaid
worker and I am not going to subsidize a multi-national corporation
like Aldi. They're making money hand over fist, so they will only get
my business if/when they provide good customer service. They can
begin with bagging my groceries. If they don't want my business,
there are plenty of other stores that do - and that's where I'll shop.

> Aldi checkouts are nbo hardhsip to me because I *always* bag my own
> stuff at any supermarket; I like it packed MY WAY, the ONLY way :-)
>
I am not that type of control freak. If they pack my bags logically
and balance them, I'm fine with it. You get what you pay for.
Checkers here hoist the bags to make sure they balance, so it looks
like Joann (the one with unbalanced bags) lives in the low rent
district.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:25:34 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

> I really prefer self checkout. I can make sure that all the
> crushables are together, cold stuff stays together, canned goods --
> everything just the way I want it for packing and then unpacking in my
> home.

Have you ever tried telling them to do it that way? At my stores,
they put crushables on top and I have no problem with that. I like
the ballast of heavier items at the bottom to provide stability.


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:47:07 -0700, Sqwertz >
wrote:

> On 12/18/2016 12:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > Heck, I wish I could cook my own eggs at restaurants - I'm picky about eggs.
>
> An overcooked egg, especially scrambled, is a terrible thing.
>
> Going to sous vide some soft boiled ones for breakfast soon, that
> machine is the bomb!
>
> And TNX to you and Ophelia for recommending it.

Now that you're sold on it, this should be of some interest to you.
http://www.bakingsteel.com/blog/sous...t-pizza-recipe


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On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:39:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 12/18/2016 2:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Heck, I wish I could cook my own eggs at restaurants - I'm picky about eggs.
>
> I cook over 800 eggs a year for the two of us. I'm very happy to pay
> someone to do it for me once in a while. If you ever find yourself in
> my town, come on over and you can cook yours and ours the way you like
> them.

I'm picky too, but I've learned that cooks do know what they're doing
and can accommodate picky me. That's what we pay them to do!


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In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
> >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
> >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
> >>
> >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> >> wouldn't do that though.
> >>
> >
> >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.
>
> I'm sure such people could be found.

Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.

In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
>
> On 12/18/2016 2:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
> >>
> >> On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> In article >, sf says...
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> >>>> on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
> >>>> (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
> >>>> TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
> >>>
> >>> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> >>> thing to hold against a place.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> >> Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> >
> > Why not? I don't care who puts items on the belt, who scans them, who
> > bags them and who puts the bags in the trolley. It's all so minor.
> >
>
> I don't care either, but I prefer it not to be ME.

You could shop online and have your groceries delivered. That way,
you're never far from your towel warmer

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:08:46 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:55:48 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> That problem seems endemic to all western nations. It's like scallops
>> in Tasmania. They get shucked in Thailand, then shipped back here and
>> sold as 'fresh scallops'. Can't get people to do the work in Tasmania,
>> they say. Needless to say, I don't buy them any more and rely on
>> friends who occasionally give me their excess ones which I shuck
>> myself.
>
>That's total BS by the employer.

I think it's a bit of both. Few Australians want to do that kind of
unskilled work at any pay rate when they can get social security and
do nothing.

> They send their scallops to Thailand
>because wages are lower and there's no oversight, so they can treat
>their workers like slaves.

Of course.

> Employers use the same type of BS line
>about no skilled workers here too (take engineers), so they can apply
>for H-1B. They can't attract US citizens at the pitiful amount they
>pay foreigners from India... because our standard of living is higher
>and therefore more costly. http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B_Visa.aspx.

Yep.

In article >, sf says...
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:12:52 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
> > >
> > > On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> > > >> thing to hold against a place.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > > > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> > >
> > >
> > > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
> >
> > You must be against automation too.
>
> Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
> line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
> might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
> of us are not.

Self checkout can be faster if there are no queues there. I wouldn't do
it with a full trolley.

In article >, sf says...
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >, Jeßus says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article >, Jeßus says...
> > > >>
> > > >> I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.
> > > >
> > > >And you don't go to places that have them?
> > >
> > > Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
> > > know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
> > > serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
> > > there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.
> >
> > Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
> > they also don't bag for you.
>
> Why would he ever step foot in one? Do you think Aldi will be his
> only choice?

Of course not.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:15:24 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:59:32 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:34:35 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>>> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>>
>>The unemployment rate is much lower here than the Republicans would
>>like you to believe. Those who would work those jobs work in nearby
>>Cities where a higher minimum wage and included health insurance is
>>the norm, so the outlying areas that have lower minimum wages (with or
>>without health insurance) beg for workers. That's capitalism for you.
>
>My state is currently at 3.8%. The United States in November, 2016
>was 4.6%.

That's a lot better than Australia. Tasmania is even worse, around 7%.
And parts of Tasmania, such as where I live is probably more like 80%
(not counting self employed).

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 03:41:31 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 18-Dec-2016, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>> >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>> >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>> >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>> >>> cannot
>> >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>> >>
>> >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>> >> wouldn't do that though.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature
>> >though.
>>
>> I'm sure such people could be found.
>In a couple of stores I shop, the baggers are people with Downs Syndrome.
>They do a very good job of bagging; not too heavy, things packed carefully -
>no smashed bread, no cracked eggs. They are very well trained and seem very
>happy doing the task.

Yes, no reason they can't do that kind of work. Many years ago we had
a downs syndrome guy working with us. Most of the time he was a good
worker but he could be an extremely annoying little ******* too, to
put it bluntly Just his personality and not due to his disability.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:53:20 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>> Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
>> they also don't bag for you.
>
>Why would he ever step foot in one? Do you think Aldi will be his
>only choice?

I've been in ALDI stores on the mainland. I wasn't very impressed by
the product range, to be honest. But that was several years ago and I
assume things have changed since then.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>> >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>> >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>> >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
>> >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>> >>
>> >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>> >> wouldn't do that though.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.
>>
>> I'm sure such people could be found.
>
>Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.

Ed didn't say what kind of room. It could have been a meat locker.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> > >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> > >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> > >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
> > >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
> > >>
> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> > >> wouldn't do that though.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.
> >
> > I'm sure such people could be found.
>
> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.

Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
less than half.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:33:32 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> In article >, sf says...
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:12:52 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, Dave Smith says...
> > > >
> > > > On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> > > > >> thing to hold against a place.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > > > > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > > > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > > > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
> > >
> > > You must be against automation too.
> >
> > Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
> > line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
> > might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
> > of us are not.
>
> Self checkout can be faster if there are no queues there. I wouldn't do
> it with a full trolley.

I don't mind doing it with one or two items. That's my limit. If
there's a line, I'd rather stand in a line with a checker.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:28:40 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> You could shop online and have your groceries delivered. That way,
> you're never far from your towel warmer

Have you ever grocery shopped online? What a nightmare.


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In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:

> >> >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> >> >> wouldn't do that though.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.
> >>
> >> I'm sure such people could be found.
> >
> >Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
>
> Ed didn't say what kind of room. It could have been a meat locker.

In article >, sf says...
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:28:40 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > You could shop online and have your groceries delivered. That way,
> > you're never far from your towel warmer
>
> Have you ever grocery shopped online? What a nightmare.

Only wine.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>> > >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>> > >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>> > >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
>> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>> > >>
>> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>> > >> wouldn't do that though.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.
>> >
>> > I'm sure such people could be found.
>>
>> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
>
>Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
>less than half.

you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
Janet US

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:52:57 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:20:21 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >
> > > As for Aldi, I've only been there a few times. They have crappy
> > > injected meats and limited selection of other items. I've never been
> > > impressed by them.
> > >
> > >
> > Unless you are butchering your own animals all your meats are
> > injected.
>
> Sounds like you shop at crappy stores.
>
>
Nope, you're just not paying attention to your packaged meats
such as pork.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:43:10 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> Self-checkout is fine for only a few items, but I am not self-checking
> more than a handful... it takes me way too long and I leave feeling
> angry.
>
>
Why does it take you too long to self checkout?

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:46:05 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
> line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
> might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
> of us are not.
>
>
Oh please, get of your high horse and drop the sanctimonious
attitude. It's very unbecoming and makes you look like a
complete idiot.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:48:07 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> > Aldi's never had self checkout nor baggers so nobody is being 'deprived'
> > of a job. Besides all the fast food joints around here are begging for
> > people.
>
> You go right ahead and tell yourself that, but don't expect the rest
> of us to buy that line of BS.
>
>
What "line of bullshit" (don't be afraid to say it) are you not
buying? Depriving a bagger of job they never had at Aldi's or
the fact the fast food joint are begging for workers?

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 10:16:05 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> Checkers here hoist the bags to make sure they balance, so it looks
> like Joann (the one with unbalanced bags) lives in the low rent
> district.
>
>
Hahahaaa, as usual you haven't a clue when you start beating
your gums. The wealth of a neighborhood has nothing to do with
unbalanced grocery bags.

Shaking my head over that clueless analogy of yours.

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> If I am required to bag my groceries, it means I'm acting as an unpaid
> worker and I am not going to subsidize a multi-national corporation
> like Aldi. They're making money hand over fist, so they will only get
> my business if/when they provide good customer service. They can
> begin with bagging my groceries. If they don't want my business,
> there are plenty of other stores that do - and that's where I'll shop.

I'm with you there, I don't want to bag my groceries and I won't unless
there was no other choice. I also dislike the self-checkouts.

Cheri

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:36:54 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/18/2016 2:34 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> >> This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
> >> in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
> >> body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
> >> courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
> >
> > That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
> > generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
> >
>
> They all want to sit at a desk and get paid $30 an hour. Or they have
> student loans and cnnot find employment in their chosen career as a
> curator of a museum of 4th century Greek sculpture.
>
> Plenty of jobs available in construction and trucking, but you can get
> your hands dirty doing that kind of work.

The problem with big rig drivers is that a lot of them are not ready to
drive on our roads. The schools that train them are pretty much scams that
pass out licenses for a fee. At least, that's the way the one that my
brother-in-law went to was. It's fairly obvious to me that in a few years,
we won't be hauling freight across the country using human drivers. This
will save a lot of time, money, and lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o

====================

Interesting. I am not sure they would manage on our much smaller roads.



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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:30:07 PM UTC-10, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 12/18/2016 4:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> Plenty of jobs available in construction and trucking, but you can get
> >> your hands dirty doing that kind of work.
> >
> > The problem with big rig drivers is that a lot of them are not ready to
> > drive on our roads. The schools that train
> > them are pretty much scams that pass out licenses for a fee. At least,
> > that's the way the one that my
> > brother-in-law went to was. It's fairly obvious to me that in a few
> > years, we won't be hauling freight across the
> > country using human drivers. This will save a lot of time, money, and
> > lives.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o
> >
>
> Autonomous trucks need no rest breaks or greasy truck stop food.
>
> And they don't have heart attacks or get hemorrhoids.

In the future, machines will be so sophisticated that they will get
hemorrhoids. Luckily, the repair will be simple, requiring that a single nut
be retorqued.

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lol

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