In article >, Cheri says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> T...
> > In article >, Cheri says...
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > If I am required to bag my groceries, it means I'm acting as an unpaid
> >> > worker and I am not going to subsidize a multi-national corporation
> >> > like Aldi. They're making money hand over fist, so they will only get
> >> > my business if/when they provide good customer service. They can
> >> > begin with bagging my groceries. If they don't want my business,
> >> > there are plenty of other stores that do - and that's where I'll shop.
> >>
> >> I'm with you there, I don't want to bag my groceries and I won't unless
> >> there was no other choice. I also dislike the self-checkouts.
> >
> > Poor little princess
>
>
>
> I'm not poor.

Poor little rich girl.

On 2016-12-19, U.S Janet B > wrote:

> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.

Site?

nb

On 19 Dec 2016 14:46:57 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-12-18, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>> generally speaking?
>
>THere is.
>
>All too often, unemployment stats are jes a measure of who is claiming
>unemployment benefits. Once bennies are used up, ppl are no longer
>counted. Do they have a job. Prolly not, but at least they are no
>longer getting bennies, so are not counted in employment stats.

Yep. In Australia, they skew the real stats too. I forget the actual
number of hours, but if you work for a small number of hours per week
then you're counted as employed, even though in reality you're
underemployed.

>> Why are there no takers for jobs?
>
>All to often, sed job pays less than required to support one's self.

Yes. Heard about ppl over there employed yet still homeless.

>Also depends on where you live. CA's Mexican population ensures there
>are no resto jobs wanting. I now live in CO Rockies, where there are
>few Mexicans for ANY job. Which is why my last job was as a
>dishwasher in a small resto. Ima white geezer.

CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
place.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> sf wrote:
> >> > Not me. I let the checkers do their job.
> >>
> >> What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
> >> I bag? It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
> >> will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
> >> since I hate grocery shopping.
> >
> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>
> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.

Do you often come home with the checkout chick?

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:44:21 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 18-Dec-2016, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:53:20 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
>> >> they also don't bag for you.
>> >
>> >Why would he ever step foot in one? Do you think Aldi will be his
>> >only choice?
>>
>> I've been in ALDI stores on the mainland. I wasn't very impressed by
>> the product range, to be honest. But that was several years ago and I
>> assume things have changed since then.
>That is the case with the ones I have shopped her in STL. Limited
>selection, mostly store brands. Almost everything I have bought there has
>been of good quality, at very low prices. The prices are half to one-third
>that of comparable "name brands", and still substantially less than
>supermarket store-brands. Here, the produce is generally excellent and
>much of the meat is supermarket quality at discount prices; you simply must
>read the label to see if the bargain is "injected solution" or actual lower
>priced meat. Fresh, vs frozen, chicken is a good value. Fresh inside-skirt
>steak is especially good at $2/pound LESS than other stores. Frozen,
>wild-caught, salmon is a bargain.
>
>There are few items I buy at Aldi each week, either because they have a
>better quality item than the supermarket or they have an equivalent quality
>item at a MUCH lower price. I am fortunate in having an Aldi about a block
>from the supermarket I shop most often; it is certainly convenient and I
>don't mind bagging the few items I buy and I don't mind the refundable
>25cent shopping cart deposit.

ALDIs do seem to vary quite a bit from country to country, I guess
they adapt to each market differently.

On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:

> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
> place.

Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.

Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
"reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.

nb

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> sf wrote:
>> >> > Not me. I let the checkers do their job.
>> >>
>> >> What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
>> >> I bag? It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
>> >> will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
>> >> since I hate grocery shopping.
>> >
>> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>>
>> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
>> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
>> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
>
>Do you often come home with the checkout chick?

No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
my day.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> sf wrote:
> >> >> > Not me. I let the checkers do their job.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
> >> >> I bag? It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
> >> >> will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
> >> >> since I hate grocery shopping.
> >> >
> >> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
> >>
> >> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
> >> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
> >> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
> >
> >Do you often come home with the checkout chick?
>
> No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
> my day.

Ok

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:43:46 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> sf wrote:
>> >> >> > Not me. I let the checkers do their job.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
>> >> >> I bag? It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
>> >> >> will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
>> >> >> since I hate grocery shopping.
>> >> >
>> >> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>> >>
>> >> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
>> >> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
>> >> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
>> >
>> >Do you often come home with the checkout chick?
>>
>> No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
>> my day.
>
>Ok

It always pays to carry duct tape and a pillow case in your car.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:43:46 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >, Jeßus says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
> >> >> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
> >> >> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
> >> >
> >> >Do you often come home with the checkout chick?
> >>
> >> No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
> >> my day.
> >
> >Ok
>
> It always pays to carry duct tape and a pillow case in your car.

For when your pickup line doesn't work?

On 12/19/2016 2:46 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:43:46 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not me. I let the checkers do their job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
>>>>>>> I bag? It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
>>>>>>> will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
>>>>>>> since I hate grocery shopping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
>>>>> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
>>>>> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
>>>>
>>>> Do you often come home with the checkout chick?
>>>
>>> No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
>>> my day.
>>
>> Ok
>
> It always pays to carry duct tape and a pillow case in your car.
>
LOLOL! And drive a non-descript plain white van.

Jill

On 12/19/2016 2:26 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:58:49 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> Clothes shopping is very easy, I buy all clothing on line, even shoes.
>
> You'd only need to buy your raincoats in bulk, no wonder you think
> clothes shopping is easy.
>
An attempt to be funny but in this case Sheldon is right. I don't like
going to stores and trying on clothes. I have a couple of places I buy
clothes from online. I know the clothes will fit. Get a good price, it
is shipped to my house. I have never had to return anything but if I
needed to there is a prepaid return label.

I will NOT attempt to buy fresh groceries online. That just doesn't
work well where I live. I don't trust anyone else selecting my produce.

Jill

On 12/19/2016 2:50 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I was hearing that the Electoral College meet today to ratify the
>> election.
>> I know many people are voting against Trump and they hope the EC will
>> change
>> things. They also said that it is not likely.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This nation is so deeply divided that if the EC didn't vote Trump in, it
> could possibly mean another US Civil War. It's something unthinkable but
> I thought it alright.



It is 100% likely given who is armed and who is not.

It is also 100% likely given only the Rs appear to give a dash about
actual Constitutional instructions and principles.

The Democrap party has been bitten by the hard left bug and have doubled
down by re-electing Pelosi and turning Elizabath (Pocahantas) Warren
into their chief attack dog.

Expect them to self-waste in record time.

NO ONE wants a civil war, but some of us are equipped to win one.

And so it goes...

On 19 Dec 2016 19:30:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-12-19, U.S Janet B > wrote:
>
>> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
>
>Site?
>
>nb
choose one. search average supermarket profit margin

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:00:37 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/19/2016 2:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:58:49 -0500, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Clothes shopping is very easy, I buy all clothing on line, even shoes.
>>
>> You'd only need to buy your raincoats in bulk, no wonder you think
>> clothes shopping is easy.
>>
>An attempt to be funny but in this case Sheldon is right. I don't like
>going to stores and trying on clothes. I have a couple of places I buy
>clothes from online. I know the clothes will fit.

I don't know how you guys manage it. For years now I've found clothes
sizes (as stated) mean very little. For example, XL and even XXL
t-shirts are often too small (and I am nowhere near overweight or
physically large). In general, I have to try clothes on to be sure
they're the right size. Same for shoes too.

One exception for me is Levis jeans, I ordered two pairs online two
days ago. Those at least I do know will fit me just right.

>Get a good price, it
>is shipped to my house. I have never had to return anything but if I
>needed to there is a prepaid return label.

One downside in Australia is you usually have to wear the cost of
return shipping.

>I will NOT attempt to buy fresh groceries online. That just doesn't
>work well where I live. I don't trust anyone else selecting my produce.

Don't blame you.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:50:17 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:43:46 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:33:18 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:41:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
>> >> >> meet women Apart from that, I can't wait to have it unpacked at
>> >> >> home. Not really a fan of any kind of shopping.
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you often come home with the checkout chick?
>> >>
>> >> No, that's never happened but I have picked up two women customers in
>> >> my day.
>> >
>> >Ok
>>
>> It always pays to carry duct tape and a pillow case in your car.
>
>For when your pickup line doesn't work?

Yes

On 19 Dec 2016 19:36:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>> place.
>
>Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.

My only interest in CA would be a one day visit to the freak shows of
SF and LA. I'm sure one day would be all I could tolerate

>Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
>"reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
>skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.

They often have very different ideas of what constitutes a 'reviving
economy' that has no correlation with the real world... Economists are
no better than astrologers anyway. Their track record from the
beginnings the trade proves that.

On 12/19/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>>
>> I'm not saying I don't understand the mother's reasoning - it would be
>> yet another child to care for, and yes, to worry about when she (the
>> grandmother) died. The young woman I am talking about obviously isn't
>> violent, otherwise she wouldn't be holding down a long term job at the
>> supermarket. I just did not know how to react to her telling me
>> something like this. She's without guile. She told me something I
>> really didn't need to know and I didn't know how to reply.
>
>
> IME, people who confide inappropriate intimacies to strangers in a
> public place, are in their own bubble, unaware of the effect the
> revelation may have on a third party OR the consequences for themselves.
> In effect, they are telling themselves their own story over and over
> again to themselves. The audience response doesn't even register.
>
> Janet UK
>
I don't understand what you just said.

Jill

On 12/19/2016 1:20 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:04:14 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/18/2016 10:41 PM, l not -l wrote:
>>>> On 18-Dec-2016, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>>>>>>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>>>>>>>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
>>>>>>>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>>>>>>> wouldn't do that though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure such people could be found.
>>>> In a couple of stores I shop, the baggers are people with Downs Syndrome.
>>>> They do a very good job of bagging; not too heavy, things packed carefully -
>>>> no smashed bread, no cracked eggs. They are very well trained and seem very
>>>> happy doing the task.
>>>>
>>> Ditto. My local Publix supermarket employs several people with Downs
>>> Syndrome to bag groceries. They do a very good job. One such woman has
>>> been working there for well over 10 years and is very proud of it.
>>>
>>> This young woman did tell me something rather horrific. Her mother made
>>> her get her "tubes tied" so she couldn't get pregnant. I was
>>> flabbergasted. Honestly, what do you say if someone tells you something
>>> like that?! (I think I stammered, "Oh, I'm sorry"... I was truly at a
>>> loss for words.)
>>>
>>> Jill
>
> At least you're a woman. Imagine if she strikes up such personal
> conversation with men she doesn't know?

I understand that. Completely. She an innocecent. She did (or does)
have a boyfriend. And you are sort of making my point for me. I simply
did not know what to say when she provided such personal information.

Does everyone understand now?

Jill
>
> Parents with Downs have up to 50% chance of having a baby which
> also has Downs. A high proportion of Downs people also have congenital
> physical problems, and women with Downs are more likely to miscarry,
> have premature babies etc.
>
> All those risks are a big burden for someone with Downs to take on.
> Very worrying for their parents.
>
>
> Janet UK
>

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:33:06 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On 19 Dec 2016 19:36:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>>> place.
>>
>>Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.
>
>My only interest in CA would be a one day visit to the freak shows of
>SF and LA. I'm sure one day would be all I could tolerate
>
>>Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
>>"reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
>>skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.
>
>They often have very different ideas of what constitutes a 'reviving
>economy' that has no correlation with the real world... Economists are
>no better than astrologers anyway. Their track record from the
>beginnings the trade proves that.

you cannot judge the whole by your own microcosm

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:56:04 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:33:06 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On 19 Dec 2016 19:36:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>>>> place.
>>>
>>>Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.
>>
>>My only interest in CA would be a one day visit to the freak shows of
>>SF and LA. I'm sure one day would be all I could tolerate
>>
>>>Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
>>>"reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
>>>skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.
>>
>>They often have very different ideas of what constitutes a 'reviving
>>economy' that has no correlation with the real world... Economists are
>>no better than astrologers anyway. Their track record from the
>>beginnings the trade proves that.
>
>you cannot judge the whole by your own microcosm

I didn't.

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 9:23:43 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:27:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 12/19/2016 12:49 AM, wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:46:05 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
> >>> line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
> >>> might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
> >>> of us are not.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Oh please, get of your high horse and drop the sanctimonious
> >> attitude. It's very unbecoming and makes you look like a
> >> complete idiot.
> >>
> >No, she has a point. Making you ring up your own items *and* bag them
> >is the same thing as being an unpaid employee.
> snip
> >Jill
>
> You are being paid through the lower cost of groceries and the variety
> of groceries and other amenities made available to you. The average
> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
> Grocery stores, even in the old Mom and Pop days, has never been a
> high profit business. Grocery stores need to turn over all the extra
> inventory that you want and do it quickly as much of it is perishable.
> We're talking in terms of days. If they can speed your travel
> through the cashier area by having you participate, you are helping to
> keep jobs within the store because if the profit margin drops too low
> people loose jobs.
> If your self image won't allow you to shop where you need to bag, then
> you should shop elsewhere. In my area, women loaded with bling,
> dressed to the nines and obviously wealthy, have no compunction about
> self checking or bagging.
> Janet US

It's amazing how a business can survive on such razor thin margins. People should be grateful that these places exist instead of bitching about how they're not perfect enough to suit their needs. In my way of thinking, any place that allows you to get your hands of some food is a true friend. People who feel that lifting an 8oz box of crackers and scanning it is too much work should get a load of digging for their food out of the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OkepHPyak

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:19:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>It's amazing how a business can survive on such razor thin margins.

Not really, it's called volume.

> People should be grateful that these places exist instead of bitching about how they're not perfect enough to suit their needs.

Yes. Why not destroy small family operated business when we can hand
our money over to faceless corporate billionaires. Sounds like a good
plan.

>In my way of thinking, any place that allows you to get your hands of some food is a true friend.

Oh, they're doing it for altruistic reasons, feeding the poor perhaps?

> People who feel that lifting an 8oz box of crackers and scanning it is too much work should get a load of digging for their food out of the ground.

There's that finger-pointing Dsi1 is well known for, again.

In article >, dsi1
says...

> People who feel that lifting an 8oz box of crackers and scanning it is
> too much work should get a load of digging for their food out of the
> ground.

Remember, dsi1: when you point your finger at someone, 3 fingers are
pointing at you!

Do you have an empty space on your kitchen wall? (Apologies if that
question invades your privacy.)

On 2016-12-19 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>>
>> I'm not saying I don't understand the mother's reasoning - it would be
>> yet another child to care for, and yes, to worry about when she (the
>> grandmother) died. The young woman I am talking about obviously isn't
>> violent, otherwise she wouldn't be holding down a long term job at the
>> supermarket. I just did not know how to react to her telling me
>> something like this. She's without guile. She told me something I
>> really didn't need to know and I didn't know how to reply.
>
>
> IME, people who confide inappropriate intimacies to strangers in a
> public place, are in their own bubble, unaware of the effect the
> revelation may have on a third party OR the consequences for themselves.
> In effect, they are telling themselves their own story over and over
> again to themselves. The audience response doesn't even register.

One of the problems with intellectual handicaps is the absence of a
filter. They can be quite naive. There is also the possibility that she
has been at some sort of support group where the sterilization issue has
been discussed. There are are people who consider it a violation of the
person's human right, and the concept of eugenics is associated with the
Nazis and their attempts to create a master race by doing away with the
flawed humans.

The unfortunate thing is that some of those people could enjoy a fairly
healthy sex life without the worry of pregnancy. That would leave them
free of the obligations of parenthood, which, in the case of a DS
mother, likely results in the intervention of welfare services.

On 2016-12-19 2:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/19/2016 1:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-12-19 10:51 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly! Even if I had the option of buying groceries online, or having
>>> groceries delivered (which isn't an option) I want to select the
>>> vegetables and fruit myself.
>>
>> You probably don't remember having fruit and vegetable vendors. They
>> were before my time, but remember having bread delivery when I was a
>> kid, and we had milk delivery here until about 35 years ago.
>> My father in law worked for a fruit vendor in Chicago when he was a kid.
>> That would have been around 1910.
>
> Nope, I'm not old enough (or lived anywhere near) where there were
> vendors selling their wares up and down the street.
>
> I did live in a charming little apartment building (it is no longer
> there) that had a butler's pantry with a small door for the milk man to
> deliver dairy products. It was built in the 1920's.

Milk boxes were common in houses of that era. My childhood home was
built in 1953 and it had a milk box. We used to be able to climb in
through it if we were locked out. When I was 14 we moved to a newly
constructed home and it had one.
My house was built in stages and parts of it are quite old, but there is
no milk box. The original owners probably had their own cow.

On 2016-12-19 2:23 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:27:04 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:

> You are being paid through the lower cost of groceries and the variety
> of groceries and other amenities made available to you. The average
> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
> Grocery stores, even in the old Mom and Pop days, has never been a
> high profit business. Grocery stores need to turn over all the extra
> inventory that you want and do it quickly as much of it is perishable.
> We're talking in terms of days.

I frequently shop at a family run grocery store that has excellent
prices and service. Cashiers bag your groceries and there is always at
least one bagger on duty. I never have to wait long for a cashier.
There has never been more than one person ahead of me in line. They will
even take your groceries out to the car for you. I know several members
of the family. One of the brothers lives across the street from my
brother. Another one married a girl I went to high school with and they
have a beautiful home not far from here. The son, who went to school
with my son, lives in a nice house down the road from me. They seem to
be doing okay by offering good quality, good prices and good service.



If they can speed your travel
> through the cashier area by having you participate, you are helping to
> keep jobs within the store because if the profit margin drops too low
> people loose jobs.
> If your self image won't allow you to shop where you need to bag, then
> you should shop elsewhere. In my area, women loaded with bling,
> dressed to the nines and obviously wealthy, have no compunction about
> self checking or bagging.
> Janet US
>

On 2016-12-19 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-19, U.S Janet B > wrote:
>
>> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
>
> Site?
>

Net profit margins are close to 3%.

http://csimarket.com/Industry/indust...s.php?ind=1305




Closer to 6%, but don't let facts interfere with your opinion.

On 2016-12-19 2:36 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>> place.
>
> Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.
>
> Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
> "reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
> skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.
>

Rising housing prices is likely one of the factors they use as an
operational definition for a reviving economy.

On 2016-12-19 3:33 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2016 19:36:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>>> place.
>>
>> Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.
>
> My only interest in CA would be a one day visit to the freak shows of
> SF and LA. I'm sure one day would be all I could tolerate

My experiences in the US are somewhat limited. The parts closest to me,
Buffalo and Detroit may be the asshole and the armpit of the country.
A trip down through Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia were nice.
I liked Colorado. More accurately, I liked the parts I saw northwest of
Denver. East of there looked pretty depressing.

Last September I was in California. I went to my niece's wedding in
Newport Beach and then went up to Santa Barbara, Montery, Big Sur and
San Francisco. It was beautiful. I would go back in a heartbeat.


>
>> Better hurry, tho. According to economists, the economy is
>> "reviving". Coulda fooled me, but rent/buy housing prices are
>> skyrocketing, regardless of the reality of what the economists say.
>
> They often have very different ideas of what constitutes a 'reviving
> economy' that has no correlation with the real world... Economists are
> no better than astrologers anyway. Their track record from the
> beginnings the trade proves that.
>

On 2016-12-19 3:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/19/2016 2:00 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>> I'm not saying I don't understand the mother's reasoning - it would be
>>> yet another child to care for, and yes, to worry about when she (the
>>> grandmother) died. The young woman I am talking about obviously isn't
>>> violent, otherwise she wouldn't be holding down a long term job at the
>>> supermarket. I just did not know how to react to her telling me
>>> something like this. She's without guile. She told me something I
>>> really didn't need to know and I didn't know how to reply.
>>
>>
>> IME, people who confide inappropriate intimacies to strangers in a
>> public place, are in their own bubble, unaware of the effect the
>> revelation may have on a third party OR the consequences for themselves.
>> In effect, they are telling themselves their own story over and over
>> again to themselves. The audience response doesn't even register.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> I don't understand what you just said.

I do. That was a case of a very naive woman telling a complete stranger
intimate details of her life as if it was the most natural thing in the
world.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:11:16 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-19 3:33 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2016 19:36:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-19, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> CO is one of the places I'd visit if I ever went to the U.S. Nice
>>>> place.
>>>
>>> Yep. I'll NEVER return to CA.
>>
>> My only interest in CA would be a one day visit to the freak shows of
>> SF and LA. I'm sure one day would be all I could tolerate
>
>My experiences in the US are somewhat limited. The parts closest to me,
>Buffalo and Detroit may be the asshole and the armpit of the country.
>A trip down through Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia were nice.
>I liked Colorado. More accurately, I liked the parts I saw northwest of
>Denver. East of there looked pretty depressing.
>
>Last September I was in California. I went to my niece's wedding in
>Newport Beach and then went up to Santa Barbara, Montery, Big Sur and
>San Francisco. It was beautiful. I would go back in a heartbeat.

I'm sure there are nice parts of CA but there are other parts of the
U.S that look to be more my speed, such as Arizona, Colorado and
Alaska.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-19 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-12-19, U.S Janet B > wrote:
>>
>>> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
>>
>> Site?
>>
>
>Net profit margins are close to 3%.
>
>http://csimarket.com/Industry/indust...s.php?ind=1305
>
>
>
>
>Closer to 6%, but don't let facts interfere with your opinion.

sorry, I can't access your site, it says unavailable. I checked
several sites to confirm what I remembered from the days when I worked
corporate for a large US supermarket. Back in the day the net profit
margin that I remembered was closer to 3 %.

Janet US

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 2:02:33 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:59:15 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2016-12-19 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2016-12-19, U.S Janet B > wrote:
> >>
> >>> net profit margin for supermarkets in the US is between 1.5 and 2.0%.
> >>
> >> Site?
> >>
> >
> >Net profit margins are close to 3%.
> >
> >http://csimarket.com/Industry/indust...s.php?ind=1305
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Closer to 6%, but don't let facts interfere with your opinion.
>
> sorry, I can't access your site, it says unavailable. I checked
> several sites to confirm what I remembered from the days when I worked
> corporate for a large US supermarket. Back in the day the net profit
> margin that I remembered was closer to 3 %.
>
> Janet US

Here's the Whole Foods chain profit margin for the last few quarters. I believe that their profits are nearly a point higher than regular supermarkets.

Whole Foods

Sept. 30, 2016 2.52%
June 30, 2016 3.24%
March 31, 2016 3.84%
Dec. 31, 2015 3.25%
Sept. 30, 2015 1.66%
June 30, 2015 4.24%
March 31, 2015 4.33%
Dec. 31, 2014 3.58%
Sept. 30, 2014 3.93%
June 30, 2014 4.47%
March 31, 2014 4.27%

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> >
> > Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> > your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
> > I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >
>
> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.

It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
ring up groceries?

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l not -l wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> On 18-Dec-2016, Je_us > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also
> > scan >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the
> > latter and I >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ
> > cashier.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager
> > of out >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at
> > times but >>> cannot
> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
> > > >
> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> > >> wouldn't do that though.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature
> > > though.
> >
> > I'm sure such people could be found.
> In a couple of stores I shop, the baggers are people with Downs
> Syndrome. They do a very good job of bagging; not too heavy, things
> packed carefully - no smashed bread, no cracked eggs. They are very
> well trained and seem very happy doing the task.

We have one like that who helps people load their cars. Nice fellow.
Name is Davy. I happen to have overheard he makes 11$ an hour because
a cashier was mumbling she only made minimum wage. Fact is, he's been
there 3 years and he does a lot of heavy lifting so they pay him fair
for that. He helps unload the supply trucks with 60lb boxes and stuff.

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:36 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>> > your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
>> > I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>> >
>>
>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
>> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>
>It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
>ring up groceries?

There's a bit more to it than that, here in Canada they also have to
be bondable because they handle cash, there are several things they do
that definitely move it from 'minimum wage' area.

On 2016-12-19, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Last September I was in California. I went to my niece's wedding in
> Newport Beach and then went up to Santa Barbara, Montery, Big Sur and
> San Francisco. It was beautiful. I would go back in a heartbeat.

Some of the nicest real estate in CA. Think "tourist traps".

Try Richmond. Or E. LA. I'll not return to CA on a bet!

nb

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, Jeßus
> > > says...
> > > >
> >>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you
> also scan >>> >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia
> has the latter >>> >>>> and I
> >>> >>>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the
> manager of >>> >>> out
> >>> >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times
> but >>> >>> cannot
> >>> >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
> >>> >> wouldn't do that though.
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room
> temperature >>> >though.
> > > >
> >>> I'm sure such people could be found.
> > >
> > > Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
> >
> > Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
> > less than half.
>
> you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
> Janet US
>
> =================
>
> I was hearing that the Electoral College meet today to ratify the
> election. I know many people are voting against Trump and they hope
> the EC will change things. They also said that it is not likely.

It won't matter unless a bunch of states turn out to have a miscount.

The USA voting system uses an electorial college so that more populous
states do not dominate to the point where the rest have no equal say.
If it were not that way, the Dakotas for example would have no say and
much of the middle country wouldnt either. It's not that uncommon for
the middle states to be the true swing of an election here.

In Virginia, Trump was winning too but then the city of Norfolk kicked
off big for Clinton and turned it. We were a swing-state with a
semi-large set going over the top Clinton while by area, we went
largely Trump.

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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 12/19/2016 12:01 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:33:32 +1100, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, sf
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:12:52 +1100, Bruce
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article >, Dave Smith
> > > > > says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > > > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have.
> > > > > > > > What a strange thing to hold against a place.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the
> > > > > > > same reason. Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I
> > > > > > pity the people who are assigned to talking people into
> > > > > > using self checkout and helped customers to screw the
> > > > > > cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
> > > > >
> > > > > You must be against automation too.
> > > >
> > > > Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal
> > > > checkout line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker.
> > > > You and Joan might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic
> > > > corporation, but some of us are not.
> > >
> > > Self checkout can be faster if there are no queues there. I
> > > wouldn't do it with a full trolley.
> >
> > I don't mind doing it with one or two items. That's my limit. If
> > there's a line, I'd rather stand in a line with a checker.
> >
> I rarely go into a supermarket and only pick up one or two items.
> (Then again, there isn't a supermarket right around the corner.) I
> do a big stocking up shopping trip about once a month. I definitely
> wind up with a cart/trolley full of items. No way am I going to scan
> all that stuff myself and bag it, too.
>
> Jill

Hi Jill, my norm (outside the T-day times) is a big trip every 6 weeks
then smaller trips at the mid point. (might be 2 but different
places). I'm about ready to make a big trip. I havent done a big one
since October because of the Tday sales where I did it once a week to
hit the nominal amount to get the super cheap turkeys.

I bag as fast as they can scan and my daughter brings and extra cart to
me then as soon as the first one is loaded, takes it out to the car
while I load the spare.

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