On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:44:21 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
> On 18-Dec-2016, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:53:20 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce >
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
> > >> they also don't bag for you.
> > >
> > >Why would he ever step foot in one? Do you think Aldi will be his
> > >only choice?
> >
> > I've been in ALDI stores on the mainland. I wasn't very impressed by
> > the product range, to be honest. But that was several years ago and I
> > assume things have changed since then.
> That is the case with the ones I have shopped her in STL. Limited
> selection, mostly store brands. Almost everything I have bought there has
> been of good quality, at very low prices. The prices are half to one-third
> that of comparable "name brands", and still substantially less than
> supermarket store-brands. Here, the produce is generally excellent and
> much of the meat is supermarket quality at discount prices; you simply must
> read the label to see if the bargain is "injected solution" or actual lower
> priced meat. Fresh, vs frozen, chicken is a good value. Fresh inside-skirt
> steak is especially good at $2/pound LESS than other stores. Frozen,
> wild-caught, salmon is a bargain.
>
> There are few items I buy at Aldi each week, either because they have a
> better quality item than the supermarket or they have an equivalent quality
> item at a MUCH lower price. I am fortunate in having an Aldi about a block
> from the supermarket I shop most often; it is certainly convenient and I
> don't mind bagging the few items I buy and I don't mind the refundable
> 25cent shopping cart deposit.

Grocery Outlet has steeply discounted prices AND they do the checkout
+ bagging for you, if getting a bottom of the barrel bargain is the
goal.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:50:10 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

> "Special Buy"; Aldi often has a few other branded (vs. their own brands)
> items. In that regard it's like a mini-Big Lots or some dollar stores; if
> they get it cheap enough, they will buy branded overstock items and offer
> them until gone.

OIC. That puts it into a completely different category from regular
grocery stores. No point in trying to compare them.


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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:28:07 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

> In article >, Cheri says...
> >
> > "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > T...
> > > In article >, Cheri says...
> > >>
> > >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> > If I am required to bag my groceries, it means I'm acting as an unpaid
> > >> > worker and I am not going to subsidize a multi-national corporation
> > >> > like Aldi. They're making money hand over fist, so they will only get
> > >> > my business if/when they provide good customer service. They can
> > >> > begin with bagging my groceries. If they don't want my business,
> > >> > there are plenty of other stores that do - and that's where I'll shop.
> > >>
> > >> I'm with you there, I don't want to bag my groceries and I won't unless
> > >> there was no other choice. I also dislike the self-checkouts.
> > >
> > > Poor little princess
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not poor.
>
> Poor little rich girl.

Which means she has choices, and she chooses not to be an unpaid
employee who enriches stockholders at the price of customer service.


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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:07:06 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

> I don't have a problem with people who take advantage of a service offered,
> or who seek out places that offer more service. What I do have a problem
> with is the dolts who shop and are too lazy, or in too big a hurry, to put
> things back where they got them when they decide they no longer want an
> item. Friday I saw another instance of this al-too-frequent
> thoughtlessness; some idiot had picked up a ~$20 package of meat, then,
> apparently deciding they didn't want it and put it on an un-refrigerated
> shelf in the pasta aisle. I mentioned it to a clerk; but, not knowing how
> long it had been out of the refrigerator case, I'm sure they could no longer
> sell it. Such laziness causes increased cost for all of us. That is far
> worse than one choosing to avail themselves of an offered service.

Amen to that!


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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:34:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > > Your grabber comment bring up a question. A few years ago Barbara
>> > > recorded a song titled "He Touched Me" The public thought it was great
>> > > and the song sold big time. Meantime, Trump grabs one pussy and he is
>> > > vilified.
>> >
>> > There's quite a difference between talking about something and doing
>> > it.
>>
>> Notice that those women never said a word about that until the election
>> time. Back then they probably accepted it hoping that they could become
>> his girlfriend. Now they want revenge.
>
>I've never been a hot woman, but if he grabbed mine, he'd get a
>swift punch in the junk for his trouble.

Me too and my right knee is solid titanium, it's a gonna hurt a lot
>
>> IMO, the Democrats have totally embarrassed themselves this election.
>> They couldn't believe that they lost. All the whining and crying and
>> gnashing of teeth. Even this past week when they all played their last
>> card claiming that the Russians did this. Trying to change the
>> electoral college votes.
>
>I totally agree with you, and I voted for Hillary. The Democrats
>need to put on their big girl pants, get over it, and try to field
>an electable candidate in 2020.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:47:50 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >, U.S. Janet B.
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> In article >, Jeßus says...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> > >> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the
>> > >> > >>> manager of out
>> > >> > >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times
>> > >> > >>> but cannot
>> > >> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>> > >> > >> wouldn't do that though.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room
>> > >> > >temperature though.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'm sure such people could be found.
>> > >>
>> > >> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
>> > >
>> > >Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
>> > >less than half.
>> >
>> > you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.

Those votes coming from CA, which is why there is an electoral college, to
keep one state from electing a president.

Cheri

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:55:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:47:50 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, U.S. Janet B.
>>> says...
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
>>> > >wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>> > >> > wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> > >> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the
>>> > >> > >>> manager of out
>>> > >> > >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times
>>> > >> > >>> but cannot
>>> > >> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
>>> > >> > >> wouldn't do that though.
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room
>>> > >> > >temperature though.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I'm sure such people could be found.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
>>> > >
>>> > >Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
>>> > >less than half.
>>> >
>>> > you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
>
>Those votes coming from CA, which is why there is an electoral college, to
>keep one state from electing a president.
>
>Cheri

Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
count.
Janet US

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:55:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:47:50 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, U.S. Janet B.
>>>> says...
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> > >wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> In article >, Jeßus
>>>> > >> says...
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>> > >> > wrote:
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > >On 12/18/2016 5:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> > >> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> > >> > >> >
>>>> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>> > >> > >>>
>>>> > >> > >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the
>>>> > >> > >>> manager of out
>>>> > >> > >>> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times
>>>> > >> > >>> but cannot
>>>> > >> > >>> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>>> > >> > >>
>>>> > >> > >> Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course
>>>> > >> > >> they
>>>> > >> > >> wouldn't do that though.
>>>> > >> > >>
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > >Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room
>>>> > >> > >temperature though.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > I'm sure such people could be found.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
>>>> > >less than half.
>>>> >
>>>> > you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
>>
>>Those votes coming from CA, which is why there is an electoral college, to
>>keep one state from electing a president.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
> count.
> Janet US

In a perfect world, but politics, elections, etc. are far from perfect.

Cheri

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:34:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> I totally agree with you, and I voted for Hillary. The Democrats
> need to put on their big girl pants, get over it, and try to field
> an electable candidate in 2020.

Agree and I did too. Frankly, I think it's the Bernie or Bust votes
who are doing it in the name of Hillary. She lost, get over it
already and prepare for the 2020 campaign.


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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:14:43 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:55:16 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >"sf" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:47:50 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >, U.S. Janet B.
> >>> says...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:57:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:26:28 +1100, Bruce >
> >>> > >wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Are you sure? Half the country voted for Trump.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
> >>> > >less than half.
> >>> >
> >>> > you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
> >
> >Those votes coming from CA, which is why there is an electoral college, to
> >keep one state from electing a president.
> >
> >Cheri
>
> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
> count.

Yes, *every* person's vote should count. The way it is now, basically
a people barren state nullifies the votes of a state with more PEOPLE
in it.


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In article >, says...
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > Your grabber comment bring up a question. A few years ago Barbara
> > > recorded a song titled "He Touched Me" The public thought it was great
> > > and the song sold big time. Meantime, Trump grabs one pussy and he is
> > > vilified.
> >
> > There's quite a difference between talking about something and doing
> > it.
>
> Notice that those women never said a word about that until the election
> time.

Or maybe they did, and nobody ever listened until Trump became a
candidate.


Janet UK

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:20:24 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> >I like grocery shopping. That's the only shopping that I do like.
>>
>> The only thing I like about grocery shopping is it's a great place to
>> meet women
>
>Been there, done that often. I had it down to a science.
>Go the grocery store after 7-8 in the evening on
>Friday or Saturday night.

I've never done my groceries that late in the day... then again, at
one time we did do them at around 3am, when one store became 24hrs
(and that was a novelty at the time living in far north Australia). It
was great as we were the *only* people in the store, other than the
cashier and security guard and it was a great way to escape the heat
during the build up to the monsoonal season (which was brutal that
year).

>Look for hot women with no ring.
>These are single girls with no husband, boyfriend or a date.
>They don't want to just sit home alone, so they go out
>grocery shopping. Easy score. :-D

I let them make the first move, the eye contact said it all anyway

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 03:45:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> > What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
> > I bag?
>
> What is your problem with me not wanting to do their jobs for the?

It occurred to me later how many cashiers I see wearing a wrist
brace for repetitive-strain injury. It's a good deed to bag my
own groceries, and I do precious few of them.

> > It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
> > will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
> > since I hate grocery shopping.
> >
> Have someone do it for you. All it takes is money, because there are
> plenty of alternatives to doing it yourself.

Not really. Such a big percentage of my cart is produce, which I
wouldn't trust anyone else to choose.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:17:14 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:53:41 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> > Depriving a bagger of job they never had at Aldi's or
> > the fact the fast food joint are begging for workers?
>
> You must be a red blooded Republican idiot if you think contributing
> to stockholder profit and the unemployment rate is fine and dandy.

There's nothing wrong with stockholder profit. I might be
one of those stockholders. I'd have to check to see if I
have any grocery stores in my retirement portfolio. Probably
Costco, I see it's traded on NASDAQ.


Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
> count.
> Janet US

False dichotomy.

In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
don't count.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >, says...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I would agree
> > that sterilization if probably a good thing because babies aren't like
> > little dolls. They require more financial and intellectual support than
> > the woman would be able to provide, but you have to make use of your
> > social filter and try to sound sympathetic.
>
> I'll take it even further, Dave.
> It's hard enough to live if you are a "normal" person.
> With birth defective ppl, better to get an abortion if it's
> discovered early in pregnancy.

Well, her mother was in a better position than you, to understand that
quandary.


Janet UK

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton says...
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/19/2016 1:47 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually, Hillary got 2 million more in the popular vote - so he got
> > >>> less than half.
> > >>
> > >> you've been out of touch. It's 2.8 million and continues to grow.
> > >
> > > Does that mean President-elect P. Grabber can unwin the election?
> > >
> >
> > Your grabber comment bring up a question. A few years ago Barbara
> > recorded a song titled "He Touched Me" The public thought it was great
> > and the song sold big time. Meantime, Trump grabs one pussy and he is
> > vilified.
>
> There's quite a difference between talking about something and doing
> it. I can talk about murder all day long, but I don't get arrested
> for it (unless it looks like a credible threat).

The fact that so many women in the US voted for a pussy grabber shows
that there's a great unaddressed sexual need amongst American women.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
>> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
>> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
>> count.
>> Janet US
>
> False dichotomy.
>
> In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
> don't count.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I can't remember the last time I voted for someone who won, well yeah I can,
but not for most twice.

Cheri

In article >, sf says...
>
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 06:28:07 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >, Cheri says...
> > >
> > > "Bruce" > wrote in message
> > > T...
> > > > In article >, Cheri says...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm with you there, I don't want to bag my groceries and I
> > > >> won't unless
> > > >> there was no other choice. I also dislike the self-checkouts.
> > > >
> > > > Poor little princess
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not poor.
> >
> > Poor little rich girl.
>
> Which means she has choices, and she chooses not to be an unpaid
> employee who enriches stockholders at the price of customer service.

Lol, dramas.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:20:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
>> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
>> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
>> count.
>> Janet US
>
>False dichotomy.
>
>In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
>don't count.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

all I know is that where I live there is no reason for me to vote or
voice approval or dissent. I don't matter.
Janet US

In article >, U.S. Janet B.
says...
>
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:20:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> >> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
> >> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
> >> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
> >> count.
> >> Janet US
> >
> >False dichotomy.
> >
> >In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
> >don't count.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> all I know is that where I live there is no reason for me to vote or
> voice approval or dissent. I don't matter.

US and Australia must still have the English system. Winner takes all.
Theoretically, you can end second in all districts/states, have the most
amount of votes nation-wide and end up empty handed. Maybe it's time for
a bit of modernisation.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:13:32 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 03:45:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > What is your problem with me letting the cashier scan the items while
> > > I bag?
> >
> > What is your problem with me not wanting to do their jobs for the?
>
> It occurred to me later how many cashiers I see wearing a wrist
> brace for repetitive-strain injury. It's a good deed to bag my
> own groceries, and I do precious few of them.
>
> > > It's not like I'm doing them out of a job. The grocery store
> > > will never hire more baggers. I might as well get myself home faster,
> > > since I hate grocery shopping.
> > >
> > Have someone do it for you. All it takes is money, because there are
> > plenty of alternatives to doing it yourself.
>
> Not really. Such a big percentage of my cart is produce, which I
> wouldn't trust anyone else to choose.
>
That's a choice.


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On 12/20/2016 6:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
>>>> I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
>>> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>>> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>
>> It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
>> ring up groceries?
>
> Pass a drug test?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

They handle a lot of money so accuracy, honesty would be a good start.
Reliability is a plus. Not rocket surgery, but you do need some basic
intelligence.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:52:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 12/20/2016 6:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> >>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
> >>>> I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
> >>> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
> >>> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
> >>
> >> It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
> >> ring up groceries?
> >
> > Pass a drug test?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> They handle a lot of money so accuracy, honesty would be a good start.
> Reliability is a plus. Not rocket surgery, but you do need some basic
> intelligence.

Are you saying those traits are uncommon amongst the unemployed or
underemployed population?


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On 12/20/2016 8:44 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-19 10:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/19/2016 1:47 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Does that mean President-elect P. Grabber can unwin the election?
>>>
>>
>> Your grabber comment bring up a question. A few years ago Barbara
>> recorded a song titled "He Touched Me" The public thought it was great
>> and the song sold big time. Meantime, Trump grabs one pussy and he is
>> vilified.
>
>
> Isn't that a bit disingenuous? I remember seeing a video of him bragging
> about how when you can do anything you want with woman... grab them by
> the pussy...
>
>
>

Seems everyone missed the subtle humor of the irony. A woman singing
how great it is that "he touched me"

On 2016-12-20 3:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> You must be a red blooded Republican idiot if you think contributing
>> to stockholder profit and the unemployment rate is fine and dandy.
>
> There's nothing wrong with stockholder profit. I might be
> one of those stockholders.

There is really evil about stockholders making a profit. The problem is
that they keep finding ways to cut back on service and make the argument
that is about cutting costs in order to compete in the market. I
pointed out a case of a local, small, family run grocery that has good
products and good prices and keeps a number of the family living very
well. They have lots of people working at the deli counter so you don't
have to wait. They always have a number of cashiers. They seem to spend
their resources on hiring and training good staff and offering good
service to the customers than funneling the money up the corporate later
and then distributing some of it to the people who have done nothing
more than invest money at an opportune time.

On 12/20/2016 3:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, U.S. Janet B.
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:20:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
>>>> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
>>>> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
>>>> count.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> False dichotomy.
>>>
>>> In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
>>> don't count.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> all I know is that where I live there is no reason for me to vote or
>> voice approval or dissent. I don't matter.
>
> US and Australia must still have the English system. Winner takes all.
> Theoretically, you can end second in all districts/states, have the most
> amount of votes nation-wide and end up empty handed. Maybe it's time for
> a bit of modernisation.
>

At a glance, it is easy to say "whoever gets the most votes wins" and
forget the electoral college. The more you look into it, the more most
people realize it is a good system that keeps a handful of people from
having all the power. Eliminating the EC would essentially give
California and New York control of the election. Is that a bad thing?
Certainly, as the politicians would take good care of the states that
can put them in office while ignoring the rest.

There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
don't want a dictator or king.

In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
>
> On 12/20/2016 3:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, U.S. Janet B.
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:20:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
> >>>> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
> >>>> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
> >>>> count.
> >>>> Janet US
> >>>
> >>> False dichotomy.
> >>>
> >>> In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
> >>> don't count.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> all I know is that where I live there is no reason for me to vote or
> >> voice approval or dissent. I don't matter.
> >
> > US and Australia must still have the English system. Winner takes all.
> > Theoretically, you can end second in all districts/states, have the most
> > amount of votes nation-wide and end up empty handed. Maybe it's time for
> > a bit of modernisation.
> >
>
> At a glance, it is easy to say "whoever gets the most votes wins" and
> forget the electoral college. The more you look into it, the more most
> people realize it is a good system that keeps a handful of people from
> having all the power. Eliminating the EC would essentially give
> California and New York control of the election. Is that a bad thing?
> Certainly, as the politicians would take good care of the states that
> can put them in office while ignoring the rest.

The way it is now, Republicans in California might just as well not vote
in a presidential election. And all the millions of Californian
Democrats who only add to the Democratic majority, can also stay home.
Useless system.

> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
> don't want a dictator or king.

Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:50:36 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
>>
>> On 12/20/2016 3:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > In article >, U.S. Janet B.
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:20:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Nullifying the blue votes in a red state. Meaning that a lot of
>> >>>> people are not represented. Not to mention the effect of
>> >>>> redistricting with purpose. Every person should have their vote
>> >>>> count.
>> >>>> Janet US
>> >>>
>> >>> False dichotomy.
>> >>>
>> >>> In any election, the votes of everybody who voted for the losers
>> >>> don't count.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> all I know is that where I live there is no reason for me to vote or
>> >> voice approval or dissent. I don't matter.
>> >
>> > US and Australia must still have the English system. Winner takes all.
>> > Theoretically, you can end second in all districts/states, have the most
>> > amount of votes nation-wide and end up empty handed. Maybe it's time for
>> > a bit of modernisation.
>> >
>>
>> At a glance, it is easy to say "whoever gets the most votes wins" and
>> forget the electoral college. The more you look into it, the more most
>> people realize it is a good system that keeps a handful of people from
>> having all the power. Eliminating the EC would essentially give
>> California and New York control of the election. Is that a bad thing?
>> Certainly, as the politicians would take good care of the states that
>> can put them in office while ignoring the rest.
>
>The way it is now, Republicans in California might just as well not vote
>in a presidential election. And all the millions of Californian
>Democrats who only add to the Democratic majority, can also stay home.
>Useless system.
>
>> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
>> don't want a dictator or king.
>
>Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?

No such thing these days. We have oligarchies instead. Or really, one
big oligarchy that covers western nations.

On 12/20/2016 4:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 6:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>> It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
>>> ring up groceries?
>>
>> Pass a drug test?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> They handle a lot of money so accuracy, honesty would be a good start.
> Reliability is a plus. Not rocket surgery, but you do need some basic
> intelligence.

Cash registers these days are computers. The cashier has to be able to
figure out oops, something scanned wrong, and fix it. And even though
they don't need to know how to count back change, yes, they are handling
lots of money. They have to be able to be bonded.

Jill

On 12/20/2016 4:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:52:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/2016 6:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>>>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
>>>>>> I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
>>>>> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>>>>> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>>>
>>>> It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
>>>> ring up groceries?
>>>
>>> Pass a drug test?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> They handle a lot of money so accuracy, honesty would be a good start.
>> Reliability is a plus. Not rocket surgery, but you do need some basic
>> intelligence.
>
> Are you saying those traits are uncommon amongst the unemployed or
> underemployed population?
>
>
I doubt he's saying that. cshenk was asking what qualifications are
required other than being polite and ringing up groceries. The systems
are computerized and not every store has the same system. Handling lots
of money requires them to be bonded. So yes, they're going to check and
not hire someone as a cashier who has a record for, oh, burglary.

Jill

On 12/20/2016 1:15 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:04:17 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't like self-checkouts because they do in fact eliminate some jobs.
>
> Agree. I'm not doing their work, so stockholders can have a bigger
> quarterly dividend.
>
>
Allow me to clarify something. I don't mind bagging my own groceries,
although around here there aren't any stores that require you do that. I
have a couple of those reusable Grab Bags (as seen on TV!) that makes it
kind of fun. It's the idea of the store expecting you to be the checker
and the bagger that makes me stop and think wait a minute...

Jill

On 12/19/2016 5:07 PM, l not -l wrote:
> I don't have a problem with people who take advantage of a service offered,
> or who seek out places that offer more service. What I do have a problem
> with is the dolts who shop and are too lazy, or in too big a hurry, to put
> things back where they got them when they decide they no longer want an
> item. Friday I saw another instance of this al-too-frequent
> thoughtlessness; some idiot had picked up a ~$20 package of meat, then,
> apparently deciding they didn't want it and put it on an un-refrigerated
> shelf in the pasta aisle. I mentioned it to a clerk; but, not knowing how
> long it had been out of the refrigerator case, I'm sure they could no longer
> sell it. Such laziness causes increased cost for all of us. That is far
> worse than one choosing to avail themselves of an offered service.

That is so true! I've seen that with packages of meat all too many
times over the years. Just left on a non-refrigerated shelf. I'm
sorry, but if you decide you don't want it please take it back to the
meat department! There's no shame in changing your mind. The guy/gal
working at the meat counter won't chastise you. Just put it back where
it belongs!

Jill

On 12/20/2016 4:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:52:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/2016 6:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>>>>>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
>>>>>> I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of
>>>>> out local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but
>>>>> cannot find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.
>>>>
>>>> It's a cashier job. What quals do they need other than be polite and
>>>> ring up groceries?
>>>
>>> Pass a drug test?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> They handle a lot of money so accuracy, honesty would be a good start.
>> Reliability is a plus. Not rocket surgery, but you do need some basic
>> intelligence.
>
> Are you saying those traits are uncommon amongst the unemployed or
> underemployed population?
>
>

Where did you get that idea? Quite the opposite. It takes more than a
nice smile and being polite to handle thousands of dollars a day and be
the most visible employee to the customer. There are just not enough of
them.

Every major retail store around here has "help wanted" signs. Lowes,
Home Depot, Stop & Shop, WalMart and some of the local owned stores.
There are just not enough interested people to fill those positions.
Just look at the unemployment rates. Most non workers are either poorly
skilled or just don't want to work.

There are other forces too. A few people collecting unemployment
benefits may not find exactly what they want and are getting benefits
enough that they don't have to take low pay scale jobs to eat. Others
want jobs in fields with limited opportunity. I studied 4th century
Greek sculpture but can't seem to find a job in my chosen field.

You'd be amazed at the applications I got when I advertised for an entry
level maintenance position at work. Two extremes. The derelicts with
no education, no skills or those that have very much overqualified
ability want twice what the job pays.

On 12/20/2016 5:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-20 3:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>
>> There's nothing wrong with stockholder profit. I might be
>> one of those stockholders.
>
> There is really evil about stockholders making a profit.


Take away the evil profit and the economy will collapse and so will your
income. There is nothing evil about making money.

At least a third of my income for the rest of my life will be from being
a stockholder, another third as a bond holder.

On 12/20/2016 5:50 PM, Bruce wrote:

> The way it is now, Republicans in California might just as well not vote
> in a presidential election. And all the millions of Californian
> Democrats who only add to the Democratic majority, can also stay home.
> Useless system.

So no one should vote? Evidently you don't understand the system.
>
>> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
>> don't want a dictator or king.
>
> Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?
>

Our founding fathers assured that we won't have one. Wise men.

On 12/20/2016 5:49 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> Not that I think Clinton was a great candidate either, far from it. A
> total whore of the establishment. I'm _almost_ glad Trump won purely
> because I hate Clinton so much. She could just as easily been a
> Republican as a Democrat, not that it makes much a whole lot of
> difference anyway, apart for some domestic issues.
>

Trump did not win because he was so well liked, but Clinton lost because
she was so despised. Some (most?) of the Dems hierarchy thought she
would be a shoo-in. They would have done better putting up the dog
catcher from Podunk.

On 2016-12-20 9:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 5:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> The way it is now, Republicans in California might just as well not vote
>> in a presidential election. And all the millions of Californian
>> Democrats who only add to the Democratic majority, can also stay home.
>> Useless system.
>
> So no one should vote? Evidently you don't understand the system.
>>
>>> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
>>> don't want a dictator or king.
>>
>> Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?
>>
>
> Our founding fathers assured that we won't have one. Wise men.


Is that why they gave woman and slaves the vote?

In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
>
> On 12/20/2016 5:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > The way it is now, Republicans in California might just as well not vote
> > in a presidential election. And all the millions of Californian
> > Democrats who only add to the Democratic majority, can also stay home.
> > Useless system.
>
> So no one should vote? Evidently you don't understand the system.

I understand it and your "system" sucks.

> >> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
> >> don't want a dictator or king.
> >
> > Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?
> >
>
> Our founding fathers assured that we won't have one. Wise men.

Your founding fathers (LOL) copied what they knew from Europe. Don't act
as if they invented anything.

On 12/20/2016 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> So no one should vote? Evidently you don't understand the system.
>
> I understand it and your "system" sucks.

Good. Stay where you are so you don't have to participate in it.


>
>>>> There is good reason to have the three branches of government too, we
>>>> don't want a dictator or king.
>>>
>>> Which western country has or wants a dictator or a king with real power?
>>>
>>
>> Our founding fathers assured that we won't have one. Wise men.
>
> Your founding fathers (LOL) copied what they knew from Europe. Don't act
> as if they invented anything.
>

Smart enough to copy the right ideas rather than follow that George guy
in England.