On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:


>I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!

People's car? That was done years ago:
http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg

In article >, dsi1
says...
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:06:34 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, dsi1
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 6:23:43 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

> > > > Most people thought Trump didn't have a chance.
> > >
> > > Some folks missed all the people that voted for him but I like to keep my peepers and ears open when around people.
> >
> > Did you see it coming that he'd win?
>
> Evidently, yes.
>
> "I feel your pain and I know where you're coming from. OTOH, it was
> rampant nationalism that allowed the Nazis to come to power. People in
> the UK and the US think it can't happen here but it can and I think it
> probably will. "

Good call!

In article >, graham says...
>
> On 12/22/2016 11:22 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 2:55:54 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:

> >> Many are afraid of change. I took a chance that it might be for the
> >> better. No risk = no gain.
> >>
> >> Remember too....he won't be King of the US. He'll always have a
> >> leash around his neck.
> >
> > Let the purge begin. 2017 is the year when we get bat-shit crazy.
>
> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!

In article >, Gary says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how he's going to pay for it though, because I bet he also
> > wants to lower taxes. Hopefully not to the level that he pays them.
>
> Remember Bruce - he did nothing illegal. He took advantage of legal
> tax loopholes. Only an idiot wouldn't do that.
>
> And why are those loopholes there? Because most of congress consists
> of rich guys that vote in their own best interest.
> Blame Congress, not Trump.
> I go for any deduction that I can. Why not rich people too?
>
> It's all about class envy.
> "He has more money than me. It's not fair." (whine and cry)

The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
have done that too.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:00:23 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Gary says...
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't know how he's going to pay for it though, because I bet he also
>> > wants to lower taxes. Hopefully not to the level that he pays them.
>>
>> Remember Bruce - he did nothing illegal. He took advantage of legal
>> tax loopholes. Only an idiot wouldn't do that.
>>
>> And why are those loopholes there? Because most of congress consists
>> of rich guys that vote in their own best interest.
>> Blame Congress, not Trump.
>> I go for any deduction that I can. Why not rich people too?
>>
>> It's all about class envy.
>> "He has more money than me. It's not fair." (whine and cry)
>
>The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>have done that too.

I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
really need?

On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
>
> People's car? That was done years ago:
> http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
>
>
Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:00:23 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Gary says...
> >>
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I don't know how he's going to pay for it though, because I bet he also
> >> > wants to lower taxes. Hopefully not to the level that he pays them.
> >>
> >> Remember Bruce - he did nothing illegal. He took advantage of legal
> >> tax loopholes. Only an idiot wouldn't do that.
> >>
> >> And why are those loopholes there? Because most of congress consists
> >> of rich guys that vote in their own best interest.
> >> Blame Congress, not Trump.
> >> I go for any deduction that I can. Why not rich people too?
> >>
> >> It's all about class envy.
> >> "He has more money than me. It's not fair." (whine and cry)
> >
> >The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
> >class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
> >have done that too.
>
> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
> really need?

I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
department.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
> >
> > People's car? That was done years ago:
> > http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
> >
> >
> Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon

That's what graham meant or I'll eat my hat.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:30:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
>>
>> People's car? That was done years ago:
>> http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
>>
>>
>Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon

Yes...

On 2016-12-22 3:00 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> And why are those loopholes there? Because most of congress consists
>> of rich guys that vote in their own best interest.
>> Blame Congress, not Trump.
>> I go for any deduction that I can. Why not rich people too?
>>
>> It's all about class envy.
>> "He has more money than me. It's not fair." (whine and cry)
>
> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
> have done that too.


There are a number of reasons why they should pay more tax when they
make more money and it isn't just about redistribution of wealth. A
modern society provides many of the things needed to make it
economically viable. The government provides education and therefore
the supply of educated workers. The build and main the infrastructure
needed; roads, waterways, water and sewage. People who make a lot of
money do so as a result of what the government and its taxpayers have
provided. It is also not a good thing for society to allow people to
amass too much money because it also gives them too much power and
influence.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:34:07 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
>> >
>> > People's car? That was done years ago:
>> > http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon
>
>That's what graham meant or I'll eat my hat.

Not a leather hat, I hope

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:33:35 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:00:23 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Gary says...
>> >>
>> >> Bruce wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know how he's going to pay for it though, because I bet he also
>> >> > wants to lower taxes. Hopefully not to the level that he pays them.
>> >>
>> >> Remember Bruce - he did nothing illegal. He took advantage of legal
>> >> tax loopholes. Only an idiot wouldn't do that.
>> >>
>> >> And why are those loopholes there? Because most of congress consists
>> >> of rich guys that vote in their own best interest.
>> >> Blame Congress, not Trump.
>> >> I go for any deduction that I can. Why not rich people too?
>> >>
>> >> It's all about class envy.
>> >> "He has more money than me. It's not fair." (whine and cry)
>> >
>> >The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>> >class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>> >have done that too.
>>
>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>> really need?
>
>I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
>department.

Agreed.

On 2016-12-22 3:09 PM, Je�us wrote:

>> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>> have done that too.
>
> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
> really need?


It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:40:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-22 3:09 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>>> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>>> have done that too.
>>
>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>> really need?
>
>
>It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
>way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
>has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
>loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.

It certainly does. Happens all over the world too, not just the U.S.

On 2016-12-22 3:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>

>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>> really need?
>
> I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
> department.

I am sure a lot of people would. The idea of taxes is to fund the things
our society needs....schools, roads, police and fire services, armed
forces. I don't think it is appropriate that someone should be able to
divert that money to a charity of his or her choice. If we all did that
we might not have the tax revenues to fund important government programs
while Jimmy Bakker makes enough money to have air conditioned dog houses.

In article >, Jeßus says...
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:34:07 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, Dave Smith says...
> >>
> >> On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
> >> >
> >> > People's car? That was done years ago:
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon
> >
> >That's what graham meant or I'll eat my hat.
>
> Not a leather hat, I hope

No, a soy hat

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-22 3:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Jeßus says...
> >>
>
> >> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
> >> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
> >> really need?
> >
> > I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
> > department.
>
> I am sure a lot of people would. The idea of taxes is to fund the things
> our society needs....schools, roads, police and fire services, armed
> forces. I don't think it is appropriate that someone should be able to
> divert that money to a charity of his or her choice. If we all did that
> we might not have the tax revenues to fund important government programs
> while Jimmy Bakker makes enough money to have air conditioned dog houses.

But I wouldn't give my money to Jimmy Bakker, whoever that is and in
spite of his Dutch last name.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:43:18 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-12-22 3:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>
>>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>>> really need?
>>
>> I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
>> department.
>
>I am sure a lot of people would. The idea of taxes is to fund the things
>our society needs....schools, roads, police and fire services, armed
>forces.

Sure, although I'm surprised you'd cite the armed forces. They need
funding, of course, but not the wasted trillions of dollars spent that
goes into the military industrial complex's pockets, and keeps the U.S
in permanent war-mode.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:01:03 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>But I wouldn't give my money to Jimmy Bakker, whoever that is and in
>spite of his Dutch last name.

Heh, how did you miss that one? Worth looking the Bakkers up for the
whole saga.

On 12/22/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
>>
>> People's car? That was done years ago:
>> http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
>>
>>
> Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag
and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis.

On 12/22/2016 1:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-22 3:09 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
>>> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>>> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>>> have done that too.
>>
>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>> really need?
>
>
> It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
> way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
> has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
> loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.
>
I strongly doubt that he is as wealthy as he makes himself out to be!!!!!!
Graham

On 12/22/2016 11:22 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Remember too....he won't be King of the US. He'll always have a
>> leash around his neck.
>
> Let the purge begin. 2017 is the year when we get bat-shit crazy.

Oh puleeeeze....

> It will end with North Korea lobbing a nuke at our tiny rock in the middle of nowhere.

No.

> Hopefully they won't hit our side of the island by accident.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8OVmhpjPKI
>
Omoarosa is unstable unbalanced, deeply.

Don't buy into paranoia.

On 12/22/2016 11:36 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
> The people deserve a cheap, electric, self-driving, car.

A KDF-wagen perhaps?

> I'm sure he could come up with a plan to deduct small amounts of money from the worker's paychecks so they could painlessly pay for
> their new cars over time. After all, he's a financial wiz! This is going to be great!

Do you really want to service the Hitler paranoia analogy?

Seriously?

:-(

On 12/21/2016 9:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> Most people thought Trump didn't have a chance.
>>> Some folks missed all the people that voted for him but I like to keep my peepers and ears open when around people.
>> Did you see it coming that he'd win?
> Evidently, yes.
>
> "I feel your pain and I know where you're coming from. OTOH, it was
> rampant nationalism that allowed the Nazis to come to power. People in
> the UK and the US think it can't happen here but it can and I think it
> probably will. "
>

How does a melting pot of a modern nation swing to "rampant nationalism"
and "the Nazis"?

Hint - 1930s Germany was NOT a melting pot.

Diversity is a strength, a firewall to intolerance - always.

HTH

On 2016-12-22 4:52 PM, graham wrote:
> On 12/22/2016 1:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
>> way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
>> has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
>> loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.
>>
> I strongly doubt that he is as wealthy as he makes himself out to be!!!!!!
>

I don't know why you would doubt the word of a man who trusted enough to
vote in for president. He claims to be worth about $10 Billion, but
Forbes says he is worth about $3.7 Billion.... so imagine having amassed
an amount of money in that range but not having to pay income tax
because you lost some money one year.

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-22 4:52 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 12/22/2016 1:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
> >> way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
> >> has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
> >> loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.
> >>
> > I strongly doubt that he is as wealthy as he makes himself out to be!!!!!!
> >
>
> I don't know why you would doubt the word of a man who trusted enough to
> vote in for president. He claims to be worth about $10 Billion, but
> Forbes says he is worth about $3.7 Billion.... so imagine having amassed
> an amount of money in that range but not having to pay income tax
> because you lost some money one year.

That's one of many faults in an alround bad system, but it's not Trump's
fault.

On 2016-12-22 5:44 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Dave Smith says...

>> I don't know why you would doubt the word of a man who trusted enough to
>> vote in for president. He claims to be worth about $10 Billion, but
>> Forbes says he is worth about $3.7 Billion.... so imagine having amassed
>> an amount of money in that range but not having to pay income tax
>> because you lost some money one year.
>
> That's one of many faults in an alround bad system, but it's not Trump's
> fault.


He obviously knows about this huge fault in the tax system but it is a
safe bed that he won't fix it. He said that he didn't have to pay taxes
because he is smart, and that translates to only stupid people pay taxes.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:01:03 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-22 3:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > In article >, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>>
>> >> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>> >> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>> >> really need?
>> >
>> > I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
>> > department.
>>
>> I am sure a lot of people would. The idea of taxes is to fund the things
>> our society needs....schools, roads, police and fire services, armed
>> forces. I don't think it is appropriate that someone should be able to
>> divert that money to a charity of his or her choice. If we all did that
>> we might not have the tax revenues to fund important government programs
>> while Jimmy Bakker makes enough money to have air conditioned dog houses.
>
>But I wouldn't give my money to Jimmy Bakker, whoever that is and in
>spite of his Dutch last name.

It always amazed me that anyone did, but they did!

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:28:53 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:01:03 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>But I wouldn't give my money to Jimmy Bakker, whoever that is and in
>>spite of his Dutch last name.
>
>Heh, how did you miss that one? Worth looking the Bakkers up for the
>whole saga.

There was also Tammy Faye his wife -even worse if that's possible lol

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:48:44 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 12/22/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-12-22 1:56 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:25:39 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
>>>
>>> People's car? That was done years ago:
>>> http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, it was done.... by Hitler... the Volkswagon
>
>"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag
>and carrying a cross."
>Sinclair Lewis.

That was very perceptive

In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> On 2016-12-22 5:44 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>
> >> I don't know why you would doubt the word of a man who trusted enough to
> >> vote in for president. He claims to be worth about $10 Billion, but
> >> Forbes says he is worth about $3.7 Billion.... so imagine having amassed
> >> an amount of money in that range but not having to pay income tax
> >> because you lost some money one year.
> >
> > That's one of many faults in an alround bad system, but it's not Trump's
> > fault.
>
>
> He obviously knows about this huge fault in the tax system but it is a
> safe bed that he won't fix it. He said that he didn't have to pay taxes
> because he is smart, and that translates to only stupid people pay taxes.

If you're rich enough, you can get away with murder in the US.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:52:12 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 12/22/2016 1:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-12-22 3:09 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>>> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
>>>> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
>>>> have done that too.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>>> really need?
>>
>>
>> It is a strange sort of system where someone can lose money in such a
>> way that he does not have to pay income tax for years when he obviously
>> has been making a lot more money. His gains apparently far exceeded his
>> loss, but he still gets away tax free. That sucks.
>>
>I strongly doubt that he is as wealthy as he makes himself out to be!!!!!!
>Graham

I'm with you on that - it was all the bankruptcies in Atlantic City
that allowed him to claim tax relief. I don't see him as a sharp
businessman at all, just a sharp crook.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:23:00 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> On 2016-12-22 5:44 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > In article >, Dave Smith says...
>>
>> >> I don't know why you would doubt the word of a man who trusted enough to
>> >> vote in for president. He claims to be worth about $10 Billion, but
>> >> Forbes says he is worth about $3.7 Billion.... so imagine having amassed
>> >> an amount of money in that range but not having to pay income tax
>> >> because you lost some money one year.
>> >
>> > That's one of many faults in an alround bad system, but it's not Trump's
>> > fault.
>>
>>
>> He obviously knows about this huge fault in the tax system but it is a
>> safe bed that he won't fix it. He said that he didn't have to pay taxes
>> because he is smart, and that translates to only stupid people pay taxes.
>
>If you're rich enough, you can get away with murder in the US.

And Australia, and everywhere else.

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-10, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 12/22/2016 11:36 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> I wonder when Trump will demand that the Big 3 develop a "people's car"!
> > The people deserve a cheap, electric, self-driving, car.
>
> A KDF-wagen perhaps?
>
> > I'm sure he could come up with a plan to deduct small amounts of money from the worker's paychecks so they could painlessly pay for
> > their new cars over time. After all, he's a financial wiz! This is going to be great!
>
> Do you really want to service the Hitler paranoia analogy?
>
> Seriously?
>
> :-(

This is a good point. I understand there exists an enemy's list. No point in drawing unwanted attention.

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:07:18 PM UTC-10, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 12/21/2016 9:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> Most people thought Trump didn't have a chance.
> >>> Some folks missed all the people that voted for him but I like to keep my peepers and ears open when around people.
> >> Did you see it coming that he'd win?
> > Evidently, yes.
> >
> > "I feel your pain and I know where you're coming from. OTOH, it was
> > rampant nationalism that allowed the Nazis to come to power. People in
> > the UK and the US think it can't happen here but it can and I think it
> > probably will. "
> >
>
> How does a melting pot of a modern nation swing to "rampant nationalism"
> and "the Nazis"?
>
> Hint - 1930s Germany was NOT a melting pot.
>
> Diversity is a strength, a firewall to intolerance - always.
>
> HTH

Sounds like you're saying "It can't happen here." Well alright.

On 2016-12-22 6:29 PM, Je�us wrote:

>> If you're rich enough, you can get away with murder in the US.
>
> And Australia, and everywhere else.

And then there are the countries where you could pay the cops to do the
killing for you.

On 12/22/2016 3:00 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> The more money people make, the more taxes they should pay. Is that
> class envy? But I agree that if Trump dodged taxes in a legal way, I'd
> have done that too.
>

I'd do it too, but no one above a livable wage should pay no taxes. The
laws need a major overhaul but I doubt we'll ever see it. Layers and
accountants don't want to simplify and put themselves out of business.

I'm happy to pay some taxes for some services that only a government can
provide. Protection by the military, highways, schools for starters. I
prefer to give to charities that are well run or to help an individual
directly as it is more efficient and I know there are benefits.

On 12/22/2016 3:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-12-22 3:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >, Jeßus says...
>>>
>
>>> I wouldn't have if I were in a position to do so, unless my motivation
>>> was to divert those funds into helping the poor. How much money do you
>>> really need?
>>
>> I'd rather give my excess money to causes I'd pick than to the tax
>> department.
>
> I am sure a lot of people would. The idea of taxes is to fund the things
> our society needs....schools, roads, police and fire services, armed
> forces. I don't think it is appropriate that someone should be able to
> divert that money to a charity of his or her choice. If we all did that
> we might not have the tax revenues to fund important government programs
> while Jimmy Bakker makes enough money to have air conditioned dog houses.
>

You forgot to mention jails to put people like the Bakkers in.

IMO, you need both. Only a well funded organization like the government
can build things like the interstate highway system, but they tend to
have a lot of waste built in too. That is an area where Trump should be
able to do some good. It will be interesting.

On 12/22/2016 3:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> People who make a lot of
> money do so as a result of what the government and its taxpayers have
> provided. It is also not a good thing for society to allow people to
> amass too much money because it also gives them too much power and
> influence.
>

Sounds like you want Communism. Comrade Trudeau will tell you how much
you may earn. Get in line for you loaf of bread this week. Your meat
ration this week is one chicken leg. You made too much money to
deserve a steak.

In article >, Ed Pawlowski says...
>
> On 12/22/2016 3:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > People who make a lot of
> > money do so as a result of what the government and its taxpayers have
> > provided. It is also not a good thing for society to allow people to
> > amass too much money because it also gives them too much power and
> > influence.
> >
>
> Sounds like you want Communism. Comrade Trudeau will tell you how much
> you may earn. Get in line for you loaf of bread this week. Your meat
> ration this week is one chicken leg. You made too much money to
> deserve a steak.

I think people should be able to get filthy rich by honest means, as
long as they pay taxes proportionally.