We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.

We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had dinner
tonight.

The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle Brook
NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the ice pack in
the package. Inside the master carton was three packages of the protein
and three packages for the other parts of the meal, veggies, seasoning,
whatever.

Tonight we had Citrus Shrimp.
The items for the meal were in perfect condition. Instructions easy to
follow. Total time was about 30 minutes.

Final result: Great taste! Restaurant quality, reasonable price. Cery
happy with the results. It is a dish I'd probably not have made on my
own but we really enjoyed it.

Everyone has different wants and needs. I wanted a simple to prepare
meal, good taste, and meals that I'd probably not make on my own on a
regular basis. as good as my meatloaf, chicken thighs, whatever are, it
is nice to break out of the routine once in a while and this is a way to
do it.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:57:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>
>We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
>convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had dinner
>tonight.
>
>The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle Brook
>NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the ice pack in
>the package.

Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:08:57 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:57:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>>guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>
>>We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
>>convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had dinner
>>tonight.
>>
>>The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle Brook
>>NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the ice pack in
>>the package.
>
>Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
>never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.

At this time of year in CT I don't think one needs to be concerned
about refrigerated shipping, most likely arrived frozen... I've got
ice pellets falling all day with temps in the 20ºFs.
Today I ground a two+ pound top round steak and made up four half
pound burgers, two for the freezer and two for tonight's dinner...
forgot to buy rolls but was fine on toasted 'talian bread. Those large
burgers were plenty, didn't need anything else... plus there's two
half gallons of ice cream in the freezer. Tomorrow's dinner might be
homemade pea soup from the basement freezer with Sabrett natural
casing tube steak coins added. Meals are easy with a freezer full of
home made soups/stews, etc.

On 1/24/2017 7:08 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle Brook
>> NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the ice pack in
>> the package.
>
> Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
> never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.
>

That is one day. UPS received it Sunday night at 9:22 PM and it was at
my door at 1:30 PM on Monday. It was in my refrigerator until tonight
when I cooked it. It is packed with a hefty ice pack and recyclable
materials. Probably a bit more than if I drove to the store(s) to get
the items.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:18:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/24/2017 7:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle Brook
>>> NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the ice pack in
>>> the package.
>>
>> Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
>> never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.
>>
>
>That is one day. UPS received it Sunday night at 9:22 PM and it was at
>my door at 1:30 PM on Monday. It was in my refrigerator until tonight
>when I cooked it. It is packed with a hefty ice pack and recyclable
>materials. Probably a bit more than if I drove to the store(s) to get
>the items.

I guess it depends what kind of 8-wheeled limo you drive to the
supermarket

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>
>
Price for that one meal?

On 1/24/2017 9:42 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>
>>
> Price for that one meal?
>

$10 when you buy 3 sets of 2 portions.
If you want to try it, you get $40 off the first order. No obligation.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:42:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>
>>
>Price for that one meal?


TOO much!

On 1/25/2017 12:24 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:42:39 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>>
>>>
>> Price for that one meal?
>
>
> TOO much!
>
>
>
Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.

Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
$35. I can easuly hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of us.

On 1/25/2017 8:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
> at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
> would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
> to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.
>
> Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
> will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
> make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
> $35. I can easuly hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of us.

My daughter finds it worthwhile. She works long hours, and travels a
lot. The box lets her have a good freshly-prepared meal at home, without
having to spend precious time shopping for the ingredients.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 1/25/2017 12:24 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:42:39 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>>
>>>
>> Price for that one meal?
>
>
> TOO much!
>
>
>
Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.

Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
$35. I can easuly hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of us.

====

I think it sounds great and if you have enjoyed it, that is all that matters
)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 1/25/2017 8:33 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 1/25/2017 8:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
>> at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
>> would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
>> to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.
>>
>> Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
>> will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
>> make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
>> $35. I can easily hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of
>> us.
>
> My daughter finds it worthwhile. She works long hours, and travels a
> lot. The box lets her have a good freshly-prepared meal at home, without
> having to spend precious time shopping for the ingredients.

Working couples seems to be their biggest target market. Saves time,
reasonable price. Twenty to thirty minutes prep and cooking is less time
than it takes to go to a restaurant, either dine in or take out.

If cost was the main factor dinner for two can be under a buck. Two or
three eggs apiece, two slices of toast. Or I can get a couple of veal
chops at $15 each. Nice to have choices to fit your needs.

On 1/25/2017 10:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/25/2017 8:33 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 1/25/2017 8:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
>>> at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
>>> would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
>>> to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.
>>>
>>> Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
>>> will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
>>> make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
>>> $35. I can easily hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of
>>> us.
>>
>> My daughter finds it worthwhile. She works long hours, and travels a
>> lot. The box lets her have a good freshly-prepared meal at home, without
>> having to spend precious time shopping for the ingredients.
>
> Working couples seems to be their biggest target market. Saves time,
> reasonable price. Twenty to thirty minutes prep and cooking is less time
> than it takes to go to a restaurant, either dine in or take out.
>
> If cost was the main factor dinner for two can be under a buck. Two or
> three eggs apiece, two slices of toast.

BURNT TOAST? <G>

> Or I can get a couple of veal
> chops at $15 each. Nice to have choices to fit your needs.

Thank you for the review, Ed. Did you let HelloFresh know you enjoyed
it, too? (hopefully)

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 1/25/2017 8:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
> > at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
> > would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
> > to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.
> >
> > Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
> > will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
> > make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
> > $35. I can easuly hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of us.
>
> My daughter finds it worthwhile. She works long hours, and travels a
> lot. The box lets her have a good freshly-prepared meal at home, without
> having to spend precious time shopping for the ingredients.

My son and DIL do the same.

Janet UK

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:45:58 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
>On 1/25/2017 12:24 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:42:39 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:58 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>>>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Price for that one meal?
>>
>>
>> TOO much!
>>
>>
>>
>Debatable. Sure, you pay for convenience but it is cheaper than a meal
>at a restaurant like Applebees or similar. If the meal is something you
>would not usually make with ingredients you don't stock, you don't have
>to buy a $4 bottle of something for a 10 cent use. It is provided.
>
>Not something I'd consider doing every day, but I think a box a month
>will work out for us. We get convenience and meals I'd probably not
>make on my own. The cost for a dinner for two with a bottle of dine is
>$35. I can easuly hit that making a really nice dinner for the two of us.
>
>====
>
>I think it sounds great and if you have enjoyed it, that is all that matters
>)

It's for those who can't/don't like to cook... and for those who don't
care what crap they eat... it's obviously for the TIADers.

I went to their web site and randomly looked at the first dish that
came up, not a very appealing version, you get ordinary linguine
rather than oriental noodles:
https://ddw4dkk7s1lkt.cloudfront.net...20170124102117
To me it looks like a lot more trouble than it's worth for what
appears to me a small portion... they don't cook for you nor do they
clean up, and that receipe can make a huge clean up chore for so
little to eat. All this proves is that's it's much more beneficial to
use my time saving method; cook large quantities and freeze for later.
Tonight will be delicious homemade split pea soup with simple to
prepare ham n' swiss on rye w/lettuce n'tomato... chocolate peanut
fudge ice cream for dessert... beverage of choice (hot or cold). I
cooked an 18 quart pot of soup at my convenience on a freezing cold
winter day and froze 1 qt portions: one pot to clean - 5 minutes.

It would annoy me no end waiting for that box of meted out ingredients
to arrive, and then knowing I'd need to cook it and clean up... I
already have all those ingredients on hand at all times... and I'd
need to clean before I could eat because I really abhor eating with a
sink full of dirty pots, pans, bowls, seives, utensiles, etc. I can
have that meal from the local Chinese take out and a much nicer
version for probably less cost, or I can eat there as they have
several tables.
The only enticing instruction for that recipe
is the section titled "BUST OUT".

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> ...chocolate peanut fudge ice cream for dessert...

Oh man, that sure sounds good!
Got a brand name for that, that I can look for?

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:15:43 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> > ...chocolate peanut fudge ice cream for dessert...
>
> Oh man, that sure sounds good!
> Got a brand name for that, that I can look for?

http://www.benjerry.com/flavors/pean...ter-fudge-core


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:57:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
> > guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
> >
> > We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
> > convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had
> > dinner tonight.
> >
> > The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle
> > Brook NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the
> > ice pack in the package.
>
> Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
> never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.

I to took that feeling but I grant the same truck had a lot of other
stuff I am sure. It probably went with a bunch of other foods from
that area.



--

Gary wrote:
>
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> ...chocolate peanut fudge ice cream for dessert...
>
>Oh man, that sure sounds good!
>Got a brand name for that, that I can look for?

It's a local brand, Stewart's Shops.
They have many fantastic flavors.
The name of the ice cream flavor is
Chocolate Peanut Butter Cup .
Watch the video:
http://www.stewartsshops.com/special...ors/ice-cream/
They sell the freshest milk and eggs around.
I buy gas there, they have the lowest prices.
Unfortunately I doubt they are in your area.

On 1/26/2017 8:52 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> ...chocolate peanut fudge ice cream for dessert...
>>
>> Oh man, that sure sounds good!
>> Got a brand name for that, that I can look for?
>
> It's a local brand, Stewart's Shops.
> They have many fantastic flavors.
> The name of the ice cream flavor is
> Chocolate Peanut Butter Cup .
> Watch the video:
> http://www.stewartsshops.com/special...ors/ice-cream/
> They sell the freshest milk and eggs around.
> I buy gas there, they have the lowest prices.
> Unfortunately I doubt they are in your area.
>
That's usually the way those great deals work. They're either local or
only in a small region.

Jill

On 1/26/2017 8:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:57:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is not a
>>> guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a good start.
>>>
>>> We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
>>> convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had
>>> dinner tonight.
>>>
>>> The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from Saddle
>>> Brook NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold from the
>>> ice pack in the package.
>>
>> Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
>> never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.
>
> I to took that feeling but I grant the same truck had a lot of other
> stuff I am sure. It probably went with a bunch of other foods from
> that area.
>
>
>

The packing material went out in the recycle bin tonight for pickup
tomorrow morning. I don't think it is all that bad compared to running
around to a couple of stores to get the same ingredients.

Tonight I made the stir fry beef. There was a piece of ginger and two
scallions. Both were completely used. Had I bought them in a bunch at
the market, chances are, some would have been wasted. Tomorrow we are
going shopping at Wegman's. That will be a 40 mile round trip. Maybe
not so bad to have three meals for two delivered. No worse than the
Sachertorte I had shipped from Austria.

The beef stir fry was very good. My original concern was portion size,
but they are very adequate. In fact, there is enough left over for a
lunch.

Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just for
the variety of the menu.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 1/26/2017 8:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:57:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We decided to give Hello Fresh a try. I realize one meal is
> > > > not a guarantee of an entire corporation, but we are off to a
> > > > good start.
> > > >
> > > > We received the package yesterday as requested but it was not
> > > > convenient to make a meal last night, but I did tonight. We had
> > > > dinner tonight.
> > > >
> > > > The box arrived on time by UPS. Ir was shipped to CT from
> > > > Saddle Brook NJ on Sunday night. Everything was nice and cold
> > > > from the ice pack in the package.
> > >
> > > Two days of frozen transport from another state for a dinner... I
> > > never worry much about my "footprint", but this is rather extreme.
> >
> > I to took that feeling but I grant the same truck had a lot of other
> > stuff I am sure. It probably went with a bunch of other foods from
> > that area.
> >
> >
> >
>
> The packing material went out in the recycle bin tonight for pickup
> tomorrow morning. I don't think it is all that bad compared to
> running around to a couple of stores to get the same ingredients.
>
> Tonight I made the stir fry beef. There was a piece of ginger and
> two scallions. Both were completely used. Had I bought them in a
> bunch at the market, chances are, some would have been wasted.
> Tomorrow we are going shopping at Wegman's. That will be a 40 mile
> round trip. Maybe not so bad to have three meals for two delivered.
> No worse than the Sachertorte I had shipped from Austria.
>
> The beef stir fry was very good. My original concern was portion
> size, but they are very adequate. In fact, there is enough left over
> for a lunch.
>
> Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just
> for the variety of the menu.

I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.

I don't mind you enjoying it, but the fire you get is from some trying
to actually live a little closer to 'green' than what that sounds like.
It may not be that far off, but it *sounds* far off.



--

On 1/28/2017 5:34 PM, cshenk wrote:

>>
>> Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just
>> for the variety of the menu.
>
> I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
> 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
> shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
> production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
>
> I don't mind you enjoying it, but the fire you get is from some trying
> to actually live a little closer to 'green' than what that sounds like.
> It may not be that far off, but it *sounds* far off.

I did not miss that at all. Take a look at the produce department at
your local supermarket. You can be "green" walking to it, but you are
certainly not green if you buy most things. Look at the pineapples on
sale the past week or two, the bananas, grapes, watermelon, avocados,
and a crap load of other stuff.

Is the beef grown in your town? Chicken farms? Do your neighbors grow
coffee beans? How about that imported ham that is so good.

Anyone thinking a walk to the grocery store is being any greener than a
prepackaged dinner delivered by UPS has their head up their ass. If you
want to be green, grow a garden and can all the veggies you east year
round. Which is closer on the east coast, wine from California or
France? Certainly not that Shiraz from Australia. Should we eliminate
all imported wine and liquor? Local moonshine would not be better
unless you have sugar cane growing locally.

Anyone is welcome to challenge the carbon footprint of it all, but
unless they post real facts and figures they are just guessing. Also,
what is shipped to me, so far, is zero waste. Take a look at how much
imported perishables are tossed at the supermarket. A lot pf jet fuel
and diesel fuel was burned to get it to end up in a dumpster a few
thousand miles from where it originated.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 1/28/2017 5:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so
> > > just for the variety of the menu.
> >
> > I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
> > 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
> > shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
> > production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
> >
> > I don't mind you enjoying it, but the fire you get is from some
> > trying to actually live a little closer to 'green' than what that
> > sounds like. It may not be that far off, but it sounds far off.
>
> I did not miss that at all. Take a look at the produce department at
> your local supermarket. You can be "green" walking to it, but you
> are certainly not green if you buy most things. Look at the
> pineapples on sale the past week or two, the bananas, grapes,
> watermelon, avocados, and a crap load of other stuff.
>
> Is the beef grown in your town? Chicken farms? Do your neighbors
> grow coffee beans? How about that imported ham that is so good.
>
> Anyone thinking a walk to the grocery store is being any greener than
> a prepackaged dinner delivered by UPS has their head up their ass.
> If you want to be green, grow a garden and can all the veggies you
> east year round. Which is closer on the east coast, wine from
> California or France? Certainly not that Shiraz from Australia.
> Should we eliminate all imported wine and liquor? Local moonshine
> would not be better unless you have sugar cane growing locally.
>
> Anyone is welcome to challenge the carbon footprint of it all, but
> unless they post real facts and figures they are just guessing.
> Also, what is shipped to me, so far, is zero waste. Take a look at
> how much imported perishables are tossed at the supermarket. A lot pf
> jet fuel and diesel fuel was burned to get it to end up in a dumpster
> a few thousand miles from where it originated.

Ed, enjoy your meal but don't pretend it is more 'green'. What you
claim as shippage happened already to the site you purchased the meal
from and then was doubled back to get to you.

--

On 1/28/2017 7:43 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> Anyone is welcome to challenge the carbon footprint of it all, but
>> unless they post real facts and figures they are just guessing. Also,
>> what is shipped to me, so far, is zero waste. Take a look at how much
>> imported perishables are tossed at the supermarket. A lot pf jet fuel
>> and diesel fuel was burned to get it to end up in a dumpster a few
>> thousand miles from where it originated.
>
> This is an old strategy. Just because you can't be 100% perfect about
> something, doesn't mean you can't aim higher than 0%.
>
> It's like saying to a vegetarian: "How about the ants that you kill
> when you walk somewhere?"
>

Do you have facts? Until you do you are supposing something. I don't
have facts either but it is better than zero. Nothing old about the
strategy at all, you have nothing but supposition to support your claim.
Are you right? Maybe. Can you prove it? You have not yet.

Give me the facts and I may agree with you. So far you are guessing.

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...

Ed wrote

> > Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just
> > for the variety of the menu.
>
> I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
> 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
> shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
> production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
>

How do you suppose raw food arrives at his local supermarket, or
yours? It's all shipped, so how would buying it there himself be any
greener?

Janet UK

On 1/28/2017 8:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 1/28/2017 5:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so
>>>> just for the variety of the menu.
>>>
>>> I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
>>> 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
>>> shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
>>> production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
>>>
>>> I don't mind you enjoying it, but the fire you get is from some
>>> trying to actually live a little closer to 'green' than what that
>>> sounds like. It may not be that far off, but it sounds far off.
>>
>> I did not miss that at all. Take a look at the produce department at
>> your local supermarket. You can be "green" walking to it, but you
>> are certainly not green if you buy most things. Look at the
>> pineapples on sale the past week or two, the bananas, grapes,
>> watermelon, avocados, and a crap load of other stuff.
>>
>> Is the beef grown in your town? Chicken farms? Do your neighbors
>> grow coffee beans? How about that imported ham that is so good.
>>
>> Anyone thinking a walk to the grocery store is being any greener than
>> a prepackaged dinner delivered by UPS has their head up their ass.
>> If you want to be green, grow a garden and can all the veggies you
>> east year round. Which is closer on the east coast, wine from
>> California or France? Certainly not that Shiraz from Australia.
>> Should we eliminate all imported wine and liquor? Local moonshine
>> would not be better unless you have sugar cane growing locally.
>>
>> Anyone is welcome to challenge the carbon footprint of it all, but
>> unless they post real facts and figures they are just guessing.
>> Also, what is shipped to me, so far, is zero waste. Take a look at
>> how much imported perishables are tossed at the supermarket. A lot pf
>> jet fuel and diesel fuel was burned to get it to end up in a dumpster
>> a few thousand miles from where it originated.
>
> Ed, enjoy your meal but don't pretend it is more 'green'. What you
> claim as shippage happened already to the site you purchased the meal
> from and then was doubled back to get to you.
>

I did enjoy the meal and will again on occasion.

I never said it was more green. I don't know where it stands, neither
do you or Bruce. To make allegation it is less green in pure conjecture.
I don't know what you mean by "double backed" to me. The produce was
shipped to the packer. NJ is closer to Florida and Mexico than I am, so
it would then be continued on to me, but without the additional loss.
All the packaging can be recycled.

Yesterday I made a 50 mile round trip to Wegman's to buy a few things
not available at any market closer. I've mentioned going there before
and no one ever said what a terrible carbon footprint it makes.

Let's review the FACTS we know:
1. I never said it was more green
2. I don't know how it compares to buying the same ingredients locally
3. Neither you or Bruce knows either
4. Sheldon thinks it is TIAD for people that can't cook.

Feel free to add to the list of thing we KNOW for sure.
Oh, I also had two pounds of Kona shipped to me directly from
smithfarms.com.

On 1/28/2017 8:35 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> Do you have facts? Until you do you are supposing something. I don't
>> have facts either but it is better than zero. Nothing old about the
>> strategy at all, you have nothing but supposition to support your claim.
>> Are you right? Maybe. Can you prove it? You have not yet.
>>
>> Give me the facts and I may agree with you. So far you are guessing.
>
> I'm not sure what facts you want. Just because nobody can live with a
> carbon footprint of 0%, doesn't mean we can't try to avoid extreme
> behaviour. I don't know which facts are missing there.
>
> I'm not preaching. If you don't care, that's alright too.
>

You brought up footprint in your first post on the subject. If you
think it is bad, give a valid reason and some facts as to how it
compares to other types of shopping. Do you think having groceries
delivered in worse than going to get them?

http://www.thekitchn.com/are-meal-ki...oceries-229687
The verdict: Depending on your frequency of cooking and personal
handling of food waste, meal kits may come out ahead in the
environmental impact argument.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...g-to-the-store
Home grocery delivery sounds like a frill for people too lazy to schlep
to the store. But having food delivered can be more environmentally
friendly than driving to the store, researchers say.

Having groceries delivered can cut carbon dioxide emissions by at least
half, compared to driving to the store, according to a new study. That's
because the delivery truck offers the equivalent of a "shared ride" for
the food.

Watch out for the tomato
http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-miles

On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 01:28:08 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, cshenk1
says...
>
> Ed wrote
>
>> > Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just
>> > for the variety of the menu.
>>
>> I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
>> 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
>> shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
>> production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
>>
>
> How do you suppose raw food arrives at his local supermarket, or
>yours? It's all shipped, so how would buying it there himself be any
>greener?
>
> Janet UK

It's impossible to live totally green unless you're a Neanderthal
living ten thousand years ago.

On 2017-01-28 9:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/28/2017 8:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> You brought up footprint in your first post on the subject. If you
> think it is bad, give a valid reason and some facts as to how it
> compares to other types of shopping. Do you think having groceries
> delivered in worse than going to get them?

It's not like they are sending a big truck to deliver one meal. It's
would be one unit in a much larger shipment, so it wouldn't be worse
than ordering something on line and having it delivered by UPS, or
driving to McDonalds for a big mac.


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On 1/28/2017 9:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> Having groceries delivered can cut carbon dioxide emissions by at least
>> half, compared to driving to the store, according to a new study. That's
>> because the delivery truck offers the equivalent of a "shared ride" for
>> the food.
>>
>> Watch out for the tomato
>> http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-miles
>
> You can find proof on the internet that 1 + 1 = 5. Especially if
> someone has a financial interest in claiming that. Bring some common
> sense when you go fact finding on the Internet.
>
> Of course, when one is old and frail, convenience trumps everything
> else.
>

Sure, but aside from your opinion, what do you have to add? You can
take issue with what I posted but surely you can find a strong rebuttal
with actual facts.

On 1/28/2017 9:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-01-28 9:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/28/2017 8:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> You brought up footprint in your first post on the subject. If you
>> think it is bad, give a valid reason and some facts as to how it
>> compares to other types of shopping. Do you think having groceries
>> delivered in worse than going to get them?
>
> It's not like they are sending a big truck to deliver one meal. It's
> would be one unit in a much larger shipment, so it wouldn't be worse
> than ordering something on line and having it delivered by UPS, or
> driving to McDonalds for a big mac.

That is one of the things that makes it viable. The UPS truck is on my
street most every day so on this end, the only add is the driver running
up the driveway.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> Let's review the FACTS we know:
> 1. I never said it was more green
> 2. I don't know how it compares to buying the same ingredients locally
> 3. Neither you or Bruce knows either
> 4. Sheldon thinks it is TIAD for people that can't cook.
>
> Feel free to add to the list of thing we KNOW for sure.
> Oh, I also had two pounds of Kona shipped to me directly from
> smithfarms.com.

And let's not forget the fact that the naysayers are people that just like
to bitch about something daily, that I know for sure.

Cheri

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:21:22 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 01:28:08 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >, cshenk1
says...
>>
>> Ed wrote
>>
>>> > Very happy so far. We will probably do this once a month or so just
>>> > for the variety of the menu.
>>>
>>> I understand that you are happy and thats fine. You miss a point on
>>> 'being green' though as you are only thinking your personal end of
>>> shopping. The others are looking at the products shipped to the
>>> production site then compiled, and then reshipped to you.
>>>
>>
>> How do you suppose raw food arrives at his local supermarket, or
>>yours? It's all shipped, so how would buying it there himself be any
>>greener?
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>It's impossible to live totally green unless you're a Neanderthal
>living ten thousand years ago.

Nah, those people were lighting smoky fires in their caves, god knows
what that did to their lungs.

wrote:
>
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >It's impossible to live totally green unless you're a Neanderthal
> >living ten thousand years ago.

> Nah, those people were lighting smoky fires in their caves, god knows
> what that did to their lungs.

Well... they're all dead now so that tells you something.

BTW - anyone here ever read the old "Clan of the Cave Bear"
trilogy by Jean Auel?" (I think that's her name)

Back in the 80's, I heard an interview with her right before
her first book was released. I was hooked. She wanted it to
be as realistic as possible so she traveled north and spent
several years researching early man.

So anyway, she wrote fiction based on facts. Same as
James Michener did with his books. Both have/had a great talent
for story telling. Both great authors, imo.

On 1/29/2017 7:46 AM, Gary wrote:

> BTW - anyone here ever read the old "Clan of the Cave Bear"
> trilogy by Jean Auel?" (I think that's her name)
>
You have more reading to do - there are SIX books in that series,
"Earth's Children".

S Viemeister wrote:
>
> On 1/29/2017 7:46 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> > BTW - anyone here ever read the old "Clan of the Cave Bear"
> > trilogy by Jean Auel?" (I think that's her name)
> >
> You have more reading to do - there are SIX books in that series,
> "Earth's Children".

Yeah, when I wrote that above I had a feeling that she might
have done more since I checked.

I read and loved her first and second books but the third was
slightly "yawn" to me. So, since it took a year or two for the
next book, I quit watching out for it.

Have you read the 4-6 books? Are they good?

I do like re-reading good books. This would be some good reading
for me coming soon. I'll start with re-reading the first three
just to remind myself of the progression. Then I'll start reading
her last three.

This is good...6 books to read very soon...all the same story.
This should keep me out of trouble for a decent bit of time.

Thanks for the update! :-D

On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 07:46:05 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >It's impossible to live totally green unless you're a Neanderthal
>> >living ten thousand years ago.
>
>> Nah, those people were lighting smoky fires in their caves, god knows
>> what that did to their lungs.
>
>Well... they're all dead now so that tells you something.
>
>BTW - anyone here ever read the old "Clan of the Cave Bear"
>trilogy by Jean Auel?" (I think that's her name)
>
>Back in the 80's, I heard an interview with her right before
>her first book was released. I was hooked. She wanted it to
>be as realistic as possible so she traveled north and spent
>several years researching early man.
>
>So anyway, she wrote fiction based on facts. Same as
>James Michener did with his books. Both have/had a great talent
>for story telling. Both great authors, imo.

Yes I read them, wouldn't have normally thought it was for me but I
did enjoy them.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:05:45 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 1/29/2017 7:46 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>> BTW - anyone here ever read the old "Clan of the Cave Bear"
>> trilogy by Jean Auel?" (I think that's her name)
>>
>You have more reading to do - there are SIX books in that series,
>"Earth's Children".

I might go there at some point, have you read them, were they as good
as the Clan of the Cave Bear ?

On 2017-01-28 10:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/28/2017 9:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> Of course, when one is old and frail, convenience trumps everything
>> else.
>>
>
> Sure, but aside from your opinion, what do you have to add? You can
> take issue with what I posted but surely you can find a strong rebuttal
> with actual facts.
>


It's just the way he is. His MO is to sit back and snipe.