On 1/31/2017 2:36 PM, wrote:
> When I was a food pantry director and did our weekly shopping, I
> used to buy a carton of 8 eggs for $1 at the local Dollar Tree store.

You must have needed a lot. That's a great food pantry item,
eggs for a meal with really hold you over.

nancy

Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked out. Go figure.

Denise in NH

On 1/31/2017 12:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 1/31/2017 11:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 1/31/2017 9:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>
>>> A number of years ago I stopped by a nearby supermarket I don't usually
>>> visit. At that time they had eggs in an open refrigerated case, you
>>> filled a carton yourself. I thought that was pretty strange, they
>>> looked so vulnerable and I wondered why they did that. That didn't
>>> last.
>>
>>> I can remember when, eons ago I bought eggs from the local shop. In
>>> those
>>> days they came in a paper bag. I remember carefully holding them in
>>> one hand and the shopping bag in to other ... I tripped ...
>>
>> Ooops! Hence the invention of the egg carton.
>>
>> I just pictured things falling on the eggs when people leaned over,
>> etc. The good part would be you know none of the eggs are broken
>> without having to open the container. Or give it a rattle to make
>> sure they're not stuck to the carton by broken egg.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>> ===
>>
>> All hail egg cartons
>>
>>
>>
> Yep! But I still open a cart of eggs and touch them, regardless of size
> or composition, to make sure the eggs are not cracked or broken/leaking.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> The plastic ones we get we can see through. Turn it upside down and you
> can see the bottom including any leakage.
>
I'm sure that's as quick as opening the carton and gently jiggling the
eggs to make sure they aren't stuck on the bottom. I don't see clear
egg cartons.

Jill

On 1/31/2017 12:58 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 1/31/2017 11:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 1/31/2017 9:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>> A number of years ago I stopped by a nearby supermarket I don't usually
>>>> visit. At that time they had eggs in an open refrigerated case, you
>>>> filled a carton yourself. I thought that was pretty strange, they
>>>> looked so vulnerable and I wondered why they did that. That didn't
>>>> last.
>>>
>>>> I can remember when, eons ago I bought eggs from the local shop. In
>>>> those
>>>> days they came in a paper bag. I remember carefully holding them in
>>>> one hand and the shopping bag in to other ... I tripped ...
>>>
>>> Ooops! Hence the invention of the egg carton.
>>>
>>> I just pictured things falling on the eggs when people leaned over,
>>> etc. The good part would be you know none of the eggs are broken
>>> without having to open the container. Or give it a rattle to make
>>> sure they're not stuck to the carton by broken egg.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> All hail egg cartons
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yep! But I still open a cart of eggs and touch them, regardless of
>> size or composition, to make sure the eggs are not cracked or
>> broken/leaking.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> Me too as far as opening them, but I don't touch them, just look.
>
> Cheri

I jiggle the eggs slightly to make sure they aren't stuck to the bottom
of the carton, possibly due to a hidden crack or leak. It's not as if I
am opening and touching eggs in every carton! When/if I *do* find a
broken or cracked egg in a carton I let a store associate know.
Hopefully they remove that carton from the shelf.

Jill

On 1/31/2017 6:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-01-31 12:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 1/31/2017 11:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 1/31/2017 9:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>> A number of years ago I stopped by a nearby supermarket I don't usually
>>>> visit. At that time they had eggs in an open refrigerated case, you
>>>> filled a carton yourself. I thought that was pretty strange, they
>>>> looked so vulnerable and I wondered why they did that. That didn't
>>>> last.
>>>
>>>> I can remember when, eons ago I bought eggs from the local shop. In
>>>> those
>>>> days they came in a paper bag. I remember carefully holding them in
>>>> one hand and the shopping bag in to other ... I tripped ...
>>>
>>> Ooops! Hence the invention of the egg carton.
>>>
>>> I just pictured things falling on the eggs when people leaned over,
>>> etc. The good part would be you know none of the eggs are broken
>>> without having to open the container. Or give it a rattle to make
>>> sure they're not stuck to the carton by broken egg.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> All hail egg cartons
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yep! But I still open a cart of eggs and touch them, regardless of size
>> or composition, to make sure the eggs are not cracked or broken/leaking.
>>
> Me too. I open it up, look for cracks and signs of leaks and I jostle
> every egg to make sure they aren't stuck to the bottom of the carton.
>
That's exactly what I was saying, Dave. I sure don't want to get home
and then try to take an egg or two out of the carton only to have it be
stuck and break.

Jill

On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked out. Go figure.
>
> Denise in NH
>
That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food from the
food pantry.

Jill

Speaking of egg quantities..... some of the local markets used to have
flats of eggs. They were just pressed recycled pulp trays that hold 30
eggs. We used to get them like that once in a while but I have not seen
them around for some time.

On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked out. Go figure.
>>
>> Denise in NH
>>
> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food from the
> food pantry.
>
> Jill
>

what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a full
dozen eggs!

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 1/31/2017 12:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 1/31/2017 11:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 1/31/2017 9:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>
>>> A number of years ago I stopped by a nearby supermarket I don't usually
>>> visit. At that time they had eggs in an open refrigerated case, you
>>> filled a carton yourself. I thought that was pretty strange, they
>>> looked so vulnerable and I wondered why they did that. That didn't
>>> last.
>>
>>> I can remember when, eons ago I bought eggs from the local shop. In
>>> those
>>> days they came in a paper bag. I remember carefully holding them in
>>> one hand and the shopping bag in to other ... I tripped ...
>>
>> Ooops! Hence the invention of the egg carton.
>>
>> I just pictured things falling on the eggs when people leaned over,
>> etc. The good part would be you know none of the eggs are broken
>> without having to open the container. Or give it a rattle to make
>> sure they're not stuck to the carton by broken egg.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>> ===
>>
>> All hail egg cartons
>>
>>
>>
> Yep! But I still open a cart of eggs and touch them, regardless of size
> or composition, to make sure the eggs are not cracked or broken/leaking.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> The plastic ones we get we can see through. Turn it upside down and you
> can see the bottom including any leakage.
>
I'm sure that's as quick as opening the carton and gently jiggling the
eggs to make sure they aren't stuck on the bottom. I don't see clear
egg cartons.

Jill

=====

Well they don't open as easily as the cardboard types. They clip in all the
way around, and they are fiddly to clip the lid back on.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
>>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of
>>> 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last
>>> carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains
>>> loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly
>>> asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her
>>> shoulders and walked out. Go figure.
>>>
>>> Denise in NH
>>>
>> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food from the
>> food pantry.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a full
> dozen eggs!


Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of Burlington
Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part of a waterfront
rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into the lake and at the
end of it there is an elevated platform with a stairway to a slightly
elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you know that some disable person
raised a big stink that the stairway isn't wheelchair accessible. It's
not a government office or educational facility. The pier is far
enough our into the lake and the structure is not high enough to
appreciably increase the view. I guess it's just one of those things
that reminds her that she is not as mobile as other people and has
something to be miserable about. She figures she is entitled.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:48:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
> >>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of
> >>> 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last
> >>> carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains
> >>> loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly
> >>> asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her
> >>> shoulders and walked out. Go figure.
> >>>
> >>> Denise in NH
> >>>
> >> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food from the
> >> food pantry.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> >
> > what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a full
> > dozen eggs!
>
>
> Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of Burlington
> Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part of a waterfront
> rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into the lake and at the
> end of it there is an elevated platform with a stairway to a slightly
> elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you know that some disable person
> raised a big stink that the stairway isn't wheelchair accessible. It's
> not a government office or educational facility. The pier is far
> enough our into the lake and the structure is not high enough to
> appreciably increase the view. I guess it's just one of those things
> that reminds her that she is not as mobile as other people and has
> something to be miserable about. She figures she is entitled.

I would settle with her with a letter of apology and a check for $1000. Of course, she would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. I tell you, I can fix the problem of these cities like that! *snaps finger*

On 2/2/2017 1:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
>>>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of
>>>> 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last
>>>> carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains
>>>> loudly to me that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly
>>>> asked, "You mean you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her
>>>> shoulders and walked out. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>
>>> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food from the
>>> food pantry.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a full
>> dozen eggs!
>
>
> Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of Burlington
> Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part of a waterfront
> rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into the lake and at the
> end of it there is an elevated platform with a stairway to a slightly
> elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you know that some disable person
> raised a big stink that the stairway isn't wheelchair accessible. It's
> not a government office or educational facility. The pier is far
> enough our into the lake and the structure is not high enough to
> appreciably increase the view. I guess it's just one of those things
> that reminds her that she is not as mobile as other people and has
> something to be miserable about. She figures she is entitled.
>


A Chinese restaurant has to build a handicap accessible trash enclosure
- I guess in case they hire a guy in a wheel chair and make him take out
the trash cans full of heavy food waste.

On 2017-02-02 5:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:48:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>> On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
>>>>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes
>>>>> cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day,
>>>>> down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens
>>>>> the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken.
>>>>> I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't
>>>>> use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked
>>>>> out. Go figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>>
>>>> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food
>>>> from the food pantry.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>
>>> what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a
>>> full dozen eggs!
>>
>>
>> Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of
>> Burlington Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part
>> of a waterfront rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into
>> the lake and at the end of it there is an elevated platform with a
>> stairway to a slightly elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you
>> know that some disable person raised a big stink that the stairway
>> isn't wheelchair accessible. It's not a government office or
>> educational facility. The pier is far enough our into the lake and
>> the structure is not high enough to appreciably increase the view.
>> I guess it's just one of those things that reminds her that she is
>> not as mobile as other people and has something to be miserable
>> about. She figures she is entitled.
>
> I would settle with her with a letter of apology and a check for
> $1000. Of course, she would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
> I tell you, I can fix the problem of these cities like that! *snaps
> finger*
>


Well, there's the problem with things these days.Too many people are too
weak and cave into the nonsense of these entitled people. They should
be able to say sorry you can't climb steps, but we aren't going to spend
a fortune on an elevator or a 50 foot ramp just so that you can go
wheel yourself 150 yards out into the lake where the view is as nice as
it is 10 feet higher.


On a related note.... friends of ours had a cottage with lake front
property and a private dock. There were other cottages on the other side
of the road and they pooled their resources to build a dock at the foot
of the public access. Somewhere along the line, someone moved into the
cottage next to them, also with lakefront, but no dock. The woman was
handicapped and, rather than having a dock build, she complained to the
town that this public dock was not wheelchair accessible. The town
removed the dock.

On 2017-02-02 5:54 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> A Chinese restaurant has to build a handicap accessible trash enclosure
> - I guess in case they hire a guy in a wheel chair and make him take out
> the trash cans full of heavy food waste.


My son had a similar problem when we was opening a micro brewery
restaurant in Toronto. The building inspected wanted him to have a
light switch lowered so that it would be accessible to someone in a
wheelchair. The offending switch was in the bar. I wonder who in their
right mind could envision a person in a wheelchair tending bar in a busy
restaurant. Hell.... why not two wheelchair bound bar tenders. Then they
would have to lower the bar itself and move it out an extra four feet
into the room so that the two wheelchairs could get past each other.

On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes cartons of 8,
> sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day, down to our last carton of
> eggs, last client walks in, opens the carton and complains loudly to me
> that one egg is broken. I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You
mean
> you can't use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked
out.
> Go figure.

Wow!! But at least I'm sure she thanked you for going out of your way
to pick up groceries for her in her hour of need.

nancy

On 2/2/2017 12:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of egg quantities..... some of the local markets used to have
> flats of eggs. They were just pressed recycled pulp trays that hold 30
> eggs. We used to get them like that once in a while but I have not seen
> them around for some time.

You can get a two flat pack at BJ's. We get them on occasion. Typical
wee here is at least a dozen eggs.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-02 5:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:48:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> >> On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>> On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
> >>>>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes
> >>>>> cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day,
> >>>>> down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens
> >>>>> the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken.
> >>>>> I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't
> >>>>> use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked
> >>>>> out. Go figure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Denise in NH
> >>>>>
> >>>> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food
> >>>> from the food pantry.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a
> >>> full dozen eggs!
> >>
> >>
> >> Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of
> >> Burlington Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part
> >> of a waterfront rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into
> >> the lake and at the end of it there is an elevated platform with a
> >> stairway to a slightly elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you
> >> know that some disable person raised a big stink that the stairway
> >> isn't wheelchair accessible. It's not a government office or
> >> educational facility. The pier is far enough our into the lake and
> >> the structure is not high enough to appreciably increase the view.
> >> I guess it's just one of those things that reminds her that she is
> >> not as mobile as other people and has something to be miserable
> >> about. She figures she is entitled.
> >
> > I would settle with her with a letter of apology and a check for
> > $1000. Of course, she would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
> > I tell you, I can fix the problem of these cities like that! *snaps
> > finger*
> >
>
>
> Well, there's the problem with things these days.Too many people are too
> weak and cave into the nonsense of these entitled people. They should
> be able to say sorry you can't climb steps, but we aren't going to spend
> a fortune on an elevator or a 50 foot ramp just so that you can go
> wheel yourself 150 yards out into the lake where the view is as nice as
> it is 10 feet higher.
>
>
> On a related note.... friends of ours had a cottage with lake front
> property and a private dock. There were other cottages on the other side
> of the road and they pooled their resources to build a dock at the foot
> of the public access. Somewhere along the line, someone moved into the
> cottage next to them, also with lakefront, but no dock. The woman was
> handicapped and, rather than having a dock build, she complained to the
> town that this public dock was not wheelchair accessible. The town
> removed the dock.

I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to get on the best they can. My mum taught me to have some compassion for these folks. What I do have a problem with is people that feel entitled because of position, power, or money. If you ever had to deal with these people you'll know what I mean. The locals here share my feelings about this. We hate people that act like they're better than us!

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...s-kauai-estate

On 2/2/2017 10:43 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 18:47:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-02 5:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> What I do have a problem with is people that feel entitled because of position, power, or money. If you ever had to deal with these people you'll know what I mean. The locals here share my feelings about this. We hate people that act like they're better than us!
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...s-kauai-estate
>
> That's disappointing. He seemed like a nice guy, as far as
> biillionaires go.
>

Really? I always thought he was an arrogant prick.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:47:22 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Speaking of egg quantities..... some of the local markets used to have
> flats of eggs. They were just pressed recycled pulp trays that hold 30
> eggs. We used to get them like that once in a while but I have not seen
> them around for some time.
>
>
My store has the large flats of eggs but I couldn't tell you the
price as I've not looked. 1/2 dozen eggs are 99¢ and the organic
1/2 dozen is $2.59. I looked at those while at the store on
Wednesday.

On 2/2/2017 6:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-02-02 5:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 11:48:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-02-02 1:04 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2017 8:28 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/1/2017 11:59 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>> Nancy, I bought eggs every week for our clients, sometimes
>>>>>>> cartons of 8, sometimes 12. . Funny story: End of day,
>>>>>>> down to our last carton of eggs, last client walks in, opens
>>>>>>> the carton and complains loudly to me that one egg is broken.
>>>>>>> I kept my composure and quietly asked, "You mean you can't
>>>>>>> use 11 good eggs?" She shrugged her shoulders and walked
>>>>>>> out. Go figure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds like someone who really didn't need the free food
>>>>>> from the food pantry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what does need have to do with it? she was ***entitled*** to a
>>>>> full dozen eggs!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never underestimate the power of entitlement. The city of
>>>> Burlington Ont. constructed a walkway out into Lake Ontario as part
>>>> of a waterfront rejuvenation. It extends about 150 yards out into
>>>> the lake and at the end of it there is an elevated platform with a
>>>> stairway to a slightly elevated observation deck. Wouldn't you
>>>> know that some disable person raised a big stink that the stairway
>>>> isn't wheelchair accessible. It's not a government office or
>>>> educational facility. The pier is far enough our into the lake and
>>>> the structure is not high enough to appreciably increase the view.
>>>> I guess it's just one of those things that reminds her that she is
>>>> not as mobile as other people and has something to be miserable
>>>> about. She figures she is entitled.
>>>
>>> I would settle with her with a letter of apology and a check for
>>> $1000. Of course, she would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
>>> I tell you, I can fix the problem of these cities like that! *snaps
>>> finger*
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, there's the problem with things these days.Too many people are too
>> weak and cave into the nonsense of these entitled people. They should
>> be able to say sorry you can't climb steps, but we aren't going to spend
>> a fortune on an elevator or a 50 foot ramp just so that you can go
>> wheel yourself 150 yards out into the lake where the view is as nice as
>> it is 10 feet higher.
>>
>>
>> On a related note.... friends of ours had a cottage with lake front
>> property and a private dock. There were other cottages on the other side
>> of the road and they pooled their resources to build a dock at the foot
>> of the public access. Somewhere along the line, someone moved into the
>> cottage next to them, also with lakefront, but no dock. The woman was
>> handicapped and, rather than having a dock build, she complained to the
>> town that this public dock was not wheelchair accessible. The town
>> removed the dock.
>
> I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to get on the best they can.
everybody must bend over backwards for the handicapped, and the legal
requirements on employers, landlords, retail establishments are onerous.
And to top it off, all these must make "reasonable accommodations" to
individual handicapped people - but that is a one way street. No
cost-benefit analysis, not rational basis for many of the rules. Many
jobs lost, many stores closed, many properties boarded up.

On 2017-02-02 9:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith

>> Well, there's the problem with things these days.Too many people
>> are too weak and cave into the nonsense of these entitled people.
>> They should be able to say sorry you can't climb steps, but we
>> aren't going to spend a fortune on an elevator or a 50 foot ramp
>> just so that you can go wheel yourself 150 yards out into the lake
>> where the view is as nice as it is 10 feet higher.
>>
>>
>> On a related note.... friends of ours had a cottage with lake front
>> property and a private dock. There were other cottages on the
>> other side of the road and they pooled their resources to build a
>> dock at the foot of the public access. Somewhere along the line,
>> someone moved into the cottage next to them, also with lakefront,
>> but no dock. The woman was handicapped and, rather than having a
>> dock build, she complained to the town that this public dock was
>> not wheelchair accessible. The town removed the dock.
>
> I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to
> get on the best they can. My mum taught me to have some compassion
> for these folks.


I agree that we should have some compassion for people in that position.
Public places should be accessible where possible and there should be
reasonable accommodation, but it seems that some want absolute
accommodation, and I think that is unreasonable. We had a wildlife park
a few miles from here that is a great place for hiking. It is almost all
forested and the land is very hilly, a series of gullies and valleys.
There is waterfall and an observation deck over it, so they ended up
putting in an accessible trail to the waterfall. It is almost a half
mile of trail with a base of very fine gravel that has been graded and
tamped so make it accessible for walkers and wheelchairs. I go there
frequently and I have never seen anyone with a walker or in a
wheelchair. Heaven forbid we accept that when people are handicapped
they might not be able to take a nature trail that even many able bodied
people might have trouble with.

In the case of the waterfront pier project, it provided a place to
stroll out over the lake and to look back and see the city and along the
shore. The beacon and deck were just destinations and the extra 10 feet
of elevation did not appreciable increase the scope of the vista, but
some bitter activist for the disabled was compelled to have the world
bend over to accommodate her. In the case of the common use dock by our
friend's cottage, the disable woman had waterfront property and could
have had an accessible dock constructed on her own property. But now...
she tried to force the town to make an unofficial dock, because if she
couldn't have fun on the dock then no one else should be able to enjoy it.




> What I do have a problem with is people that feel
> entitled because of position, power, or money. If you ever had to
> deal with these people you'll know what I mean. The locals here share
> my feelings about this. We hate people that act like they're better
> than us!
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...s-kauai-estate
>

On 2017-02-03 9:10 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 2/2/2017 6:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to
>> get on the best they can.
> everybody must bend over backwards for the handicapped, and the legal
> requirements on employers, landlords, retail establishments are onerous.
> And to top it off, all these must make "reasonable accommodations" to
> individual handicapped people - but that is a one way street. No
> cost-benefit analysis, not rational basis for many of the rules. Many
> jobs lost, many stores closed, many properties boarded up.

Part of the problem is the way some people interpret reasonable
accommodation. The way some people seem to view it is that everyone
else has to bend over backwards to appease them and their individual
needs and no concern about the cost and inconvenience to others.

There was a news story recently about a disabled person not being able
to have a wheel chair and attendant provided at an airport. A family
member had dropped off a parent with a mobility issue and assumed that
the airport of the airline would naturally provide her with a wheelchair
and personal assistant. Apparently the airport does provide a number of
wheelchairs, but they were all in use at the time. In my mind, what
would constitute reasonable accommodation would have been for the
airport to have ramps or elevators to access different levels, to have
wide doorways, accessible toilets etc. What would have been reasonable
for an old and disabled passenger that needs a wheelchair would be to
bring their own chair and have a friend of family member accompany them
on the trip.

On 2/3/2017 7:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-03 9:10 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 2/2/2017 6:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to
>>> get on the best they can.
>> everybody must bend over backwards for the handicapped, and the legal
>> requirements on employers, landlords, retail establishments are onerous.
>> And to top it off, all these must make "reasonable accommodations" to
>> individual handicapped people - but that is a one way street. No
>> cost-benefit analysis, not rational basis for many of the rules. Many
>> jobs lost, many stores closed, many properties boarded up.
>
> Part of the problem is the way some people interpret reasonable
> accommodation. The way some people seem to view it is that everyone
> else has to bend over backwards to appease them and their individual
> needs and no concern about the cost and inconvenience to others.

The problem is that those "some people" include the Dept. of Justice.

On 2017-01-30 17:12:41 +0000, jmcquown said:
>
>
> I've heard many people here say they used to be able to break a carton
> of eggs in half... back in the good old days. Until yesterday I'd
> never *seen* a half a carton of eggs.
>
> Jill

Glad you found them. I could buy them individually if it were my wont
at my local food co-op. I'm lucky to be close to it.
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Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> On 2017-01-30 17:12:41 +0000, jmcquown said:
>>
>>
>> I've heard many people here say they used to be able to break a carton
>> of eggs in half... back in the good old days. Until yesterday I'd
>> never *seen* a half a carton of eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Glad you found them. I could buy them individually if it were my wont
> at my local food co-op. I'm lucky to be close to it.

Is that Valley Natural Foods? I drive by it every single day but rarely
shop there.

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On 2/3/2017 10:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:


>
> There was a news story recently about a disabled person not being able
> to have a wheel chair and attendant provided at an airport. A family
> member had dropped off a parent with a mobility issue and assumed that
> the airport of the airline would naturally provide her with a wheelchair
> and personal assistant. Apparently the airport does provide a number of
> wheelchairs, but they were all in use at the time. In my mind, what
> would constitute reasonable accommodation would have been for the
> airport to have ramps or elevators to access different levels, to have
> wide doorways, accessible toilets etc. What would have been reasonable
> for an old and disabled passenger that needs a wheelchair would be to
> bring their own chair and have a friend of family member accompany them
> on the trip.

There are two distinct situation. Wheelchair bound people will take a
chair with them.

There are others (like my wife) that can walk but not long distances.
We make arrangements ahead of time and are met at the ticket counter.
They take her through security and to the plane. If there are stops on
the way we are met at each stop. The airlines do a great job with it.

The only time she needs an assist is at the airport itself. It is not
practical to take a chair on the plane or to carry it around Europe just
to use in an airport. Last time we changed planes in Dublin the other
plane was at the next gate. We had to go from the gate into the
terminal for security and back. Would have taken a few hours for that
distance with rest stops and probably would have missed the flight.

The system may be stressed at times but it has worked for us.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:22:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-02 9:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>
> >> Well, there's the problem with things these days.Too many people
> >> are too weak and cave into the nonsense of these entitled people.
> >> They should be able to say sorry you can't climb steps, but we
> >> aren't going to spend a fortune on an elevator or a 50 foot ramp
> >> just so that you can go wheel yourself 150 yards out into the lake
> >> where the view is as nice as it is 10 feet higher.
> >>
> >>
> >> On a related note.... friends of ours had a cottage with lake front
> >> property and a private dock. There were other cottages on the
> >> other side of the road and they pooled their resources to build a
> >> dock at the foot of the public access. Somewhere along the line,
> >> someone moved into the cottage next to them, also with lakefront,
> >> but no dock. The woman was handicapped and, rather than having a
> >> dock build, she complained to the town that this public dock was
> >> not wheelchair accessible. The town removed the dock.
> >
> > I don't have any problem with the crippled and handicapped trying to
> > get on the best they can. My mum taught me to have some compassion
> > for these folks.
>
>
> I agree that we should have some compassion for people in that position.
> Public places should be accessible where possible and there should be
> reasonable accommodation, but it seems that some want absolute
> accommodation, and I think that is unreasonable. We had a wildlife park
> a few miles from here that is a great place for hiking. It is almost all
> forested and the land is very hilly, a series of gullies and valleys.
> There is waterfall and an observation deck over it, so they ended up
> putting in an accessible trail to the waterfall. It is almost a half
> mile of trail with a base of very fine gravel that has been graded and
> tamped so make it accessible for walkers and wheelchairs. I go there
> frequently and I have never seen anyone with a walker or in a
> wheelchair. Heaven forbid we accept that when people are handicapped
> they might not be able to take a nature trail that even many able bodied
> people might have trouble with.
>
> In the case of the waterfront pier project, it provided a place to
> stroll out over the lake and to look back and see the city and along the
> shore. The beacon and deck were just destinations and the extra 10 feet
> of elevation did not appreciable increase the scope of the vista, but
> some bitter activist for the disabled was compelled to have the world
> bend over to accommodate her. In the case of the common use dock by our
> friend's cottage, the disable woman had waterfront property and could
> have had an accessible dock constructed on her own property. But now...
> she tried to force the town to make an unofficial dock, because if she
> couldn't have fun on the dock then no one else should be able to enjoy it..
>
>
>
>
> > What I do have a problem with is people that feel
> > entitled because of position, power, or money. If you ever had to
> > deal with these people you'll know what I mean. The locals here share
> > my feelings about this. We hate people that act like they're better
> > than us!
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...s-kauai-estate
> >

The fat cats and big corporations love people like you that will spread these stories around. It gets the heat off of their nasty asses. They are playing the people for suckers and the middle class is more than willing to comply. Most disabled people don't want to be treated as special cases. A few do - so what? Do you expect everybody, disabled or not, to be saints?

On 2017-02-03 2:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> The fat cats and big corporations love people like you that will
> spread these stories around. It gets the heat off of their nasty
> asses. They are playing the people for suckers and the middle class
> is more than willing to comply. Most disabled people don't want to be
> treated as special cases. A few do - so what? Do you expect
> everybody, disabled or not, to be saints?
>


I would certainly agree that most of them do not expect to be treated as
special cases. I simply expect that when one of those comes along that
others should not be intimidated into going well beyond what is reasonable.

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On 2/3/2017 12:13 PM, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> On 2017-01-30 17:12:41 +0000, jmcquown said:
>>
>>
>> I've heard many people here say they used to be able to break a carton
>> of eggs in half... back in the good old days. Until yesterday I'd
>> never *seen* a half a carton of eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Glad you found them. I could buy them individually if it were my wont
> at my local food co-op. I'm lucky to be close to it.

Thanks, Barb. I bought them last Sunday; today is Friday and I still
haven't used a single egg from the half a dozen. I really don't use a
lot of eggs.

Of course it was later, after I got home, I realized I might want to
make a quiche this weekend which would require 3-4 eggs out of the
six... LOL

Jill